BLM shoot and kill a man in Red Rocks (with witness video)

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MisterE

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 10:41pm PT
You never can tell what may happen when a guy is this jacked up on who-knows-what. "Multiple taser deployments" that don't work seems like it would make one wary of the effectiveness of other measures, especially when it is 2 BLM cops...

It seems legit.

PS Hey Jeff, you and Burchey are gold and silver in the bannination awards...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
If he's within reach of the gun, I'm popping him. Nothing wrong with that.

But causing the situation to devolve to that point was piss-poor performance on the part of the cops.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:09pm PT
You all know that the USA employs a really different take on reality, right ?

I had the pleasure of some time with Ben Gadd in an Icefields hostel once. He was thankful to be in a country that wasn't crazy. (His words)
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
Cool story, bro!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:53pm PT
If only you could be the talking Jebus you aspire to be...

Don't fret... Tomorrow's another day.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:54pm PT
Deep, bro!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:01am PT
So an as#@&%e takes over a cop car and becomes dead in his efforts. This is news ?

Try Canada, where an unarmed drunk runs away through a snow covered high school field after being apprehended for being a prick in a bar and gets shot in the back by the RCMP, claiming they feared for their life...

Cool story don't you think ?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:08am PT
You sound cranky, bro! Talk to you later after you take your happy pills, duder!
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 21, 2014 - 06:46am PT
And all because he was walking erratically down a road? Yeah, he was jacked up on something, but due to unwarranted LEO involvement, he's dead.

Realistically, society won't miss him much?

LEOs should have had the vehicle secured, and rifle rack locked. Unless he had the gun in his hands, he did not constitute a legitimate threat to their lives.

I really don't have much sympathy for either the victim of the shooting or the LEOs; it escalated beyond control due to either drugs, physical illness, or mental unbalance.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:15am PT
Wow, the stupid taco never ceases to amaze! I knew there were ignorant people who frequent this site, but this thread is priceless:

multiple taser deployments, pepper spray and a baton, all in an effort to remove him from the roadway, where cyclists reported seeing a man walking in and out of traffic (i.e. threatening the safety of others).

I'm sure the LEOs could have tried harder to reason with him.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:36am PT
This is very sad for all concerned.
It's apparent that D'Andre was whacked out. Possibly mentally ill, possibly on drugs, or both.
It appears that the LEOs made a lot of reasonable attempts to control the situation.

LEOs should have had the vehicle secured, and rifle rack locked. Unless he had the gun in his hands, he did not constitute a legitimate threat to their lives.

I really don't have much sympathy for either the victim of the shooting or the LEOs; it escalated beyond control due to either drugs, physical illness, or mental unbalance.
The preliminary report says the weapons in the highway patrol vehicle were in their safety rack.
The door of the vehicle was wide open when he was shot, they could have shot him in any part of his body. D'Andre was apparently not armed.
Eight bullets and a fatality seems disproportionate. If he'd actually gotten a live weapon in his hands that would be different.

Presumably the truth will out.

Like so many cases out here in the western US (I can't say about the eastern part), it seems as if the police are not well trained to deal with an unruly and non-compliant suspect. Reference Meserle in the Fruitvale BART station, several San Jose police killings of unarmed men and women in the past ten years.
He never should have gotten his hands on the patrol car. Shooting him the legs or arse would've stopped him (easy for me to say). I'm sure the LEOs were trying NOT to shoot him until the very end.

It certainly didn't help that the idiot tourons in cars hadn't gotten the hell outta there. You can see 2 or 3 vehicles turning around and driving away afterwards. The LEOs also had to worry about their safety.
As someone mentioned earlier, nearly all American LEOs are now trained to shoot to kill. As a result, I am always on edge in the presence of an armed officer. Even when I know him/her.

In the UK for comparison, regular officers are specifically not provided firearms. They are well trained to take down even large, strong, unruly people. Only special officers are allowed to carry guns, they have to check them out from the station and check them back in at the end of their shift. And they DO shoot to kill, when they have to. A friend of mine is an ex special weapons officer from London and we've talked about this. In other countries the police are respected and not feared by the populace. It used to be that way here.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:52am PT
Man, all that PCP and angel dust and I never got any super powers. All I got was this lousy tee shirt.
Cozgrove

Gym climber
Calabashole
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:11am PT
One last meth head, good shooting boys.

I'm sure all the cops are bad, folks here, would have been crying if he got the AR, and started shooting cops and tourist.

Then you'd be saying why didn't the cops shoot him.

Stupid.....

I've been tooled tons, I stand still, produce ID and say, yes sir, no sir... Never had a problem and been let off almost every time, even in Yosemite.

The cops have families, and the innocence folks surrounding the area, deserve to be protected.



Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:53am PT
Not enough info to judge, but take it from me, Clark County cops don't fool around. Many of them can't even spell fool around.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:57am PT
it seems as if the police are not well trained to deal with an unruly and non-compliant suspect.

Never underestimate the potentially incapacitating power of fear.

These guys might have been well trained and just terrified. Just because they're cops doesn't mean they're immune. Its all ticket writing and what have you and then, BAM! Now you have to subdue a deranged linebacker....

DMT
WML

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:01am PT
Not enough info to judge, but take it from me, Clark County cops don't fool around. Many of them can't even spell fool around.

The officer who discharged his weapon was a BLM LEO and the other responding jurisdiction was NHP. No Metro cops involved in this one.



Also, it was reported that the deceased was attacking cyclists, not just wandering in the roadway and the cyclists informed the person at the entrance station of this, hence the police response...take that for what it is - quite vague.


The people babbling about only shooting the guy if he actually gets a gun in his hands...c'mon. If the guy is able to shift the NHP patrol SUV into drive, he's got a 5,000 lb bullet under his control and three officers outside of vehicles. Doesn't take a skilled marksman to make a vehicle like that deadly.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:02am PT
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/21/i-didnt-fking-do-anything-wrong-why-did-a-woman-allegedly-on-a-jog-end-up-screaming-and-in-handcuffs/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:23am PT
I jaywalked right in front of a cop once. He pulled into my girlfriend's coffee shop (my destination) with lights and attitude blazing. We talked for a couple minutes, I told him the crossing signal was broken and I simply took my opportunity to cross when there was a break in traffic. He came back 10 minutes later, after testing the signal himself, and apologized for "embarrassing" me in front of my friends.

In Clark County I got pulled over for doing 15 or 20 mph over. The stop ended with me and the cop back at his car looking at a hiking map, with him showing us the best trails for a nice afternoon walk.

I came around a corner doing 60 with a AZ trooper sitting under the 35mph sign. I pulled over, apologized, and left with a ticket for 10 over.

I've had numerous interactions with cops from MT to AZ, CA to NH.
I have a hard time believing it is always the "as#@&%e" cop's fault... especially when only the last half of the interactions are shown.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
I know for a fact that police routinely and blatantly lie in their written reports to support their positions, and even manufacture evidence if they need to do so.

Judges are reluctant to acknowledge this fact because to do so would acknowledge that it's all a farce and it would lead a complete collapse of the American justice system and the economy.

But do not be deceived, all police are as corrupt as any gangster.
overwatch

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Cops and criminals both put great stock in being respected and can't let it go if they aren't
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