BLM shoot and kill a man in Red Rocks (with witness video)

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franky

Trad climber

Bishop, CA

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:13pm PT

Understand that the argument you are making is largely immaterial anyway because they almost certainly didn't have bean bag rounds and didn't have time to get them. Also understand that unless the person shot with bean bag rounds in your experience had a diminished pain response, you're comparing apples to oranges.

We can never be sure they wouldn't have helped, but I think it's unlikely and folks are grasping at straws. They tried three normally highly effective intermediate defensive weapons!

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:15pm PT

I understand that you are shifting axis since you don't have any valid responses. Good tactic.

BrentA: Excellent point.

franky

Trad climber

Bishop, CA

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:16pm PT

Not a cop, the use of force model worked well in this situation, and I put a sufficient amount of physics in my previous post to explain myself in regards to the bean bag.

I do believe we are beating a dead horse at this point, and without something new, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:30pm PT

Uh oh franky -- your credibility just took a dump with that admission.

Ron: well

keep on keeping on man

franky

Trad climber

Bishop, CA

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:33pm PT

Fortunately none of the arguments I've made rely on me having an expert opinion, in my opinion. ;)

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:34pm PT

(actually a couple of them kind of do)

FYI

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:36pm PT

KEn M, its called EXPERIENCE. And YES those officers are more trained and more in the know than you. Are you saying that the UNTRAINED amateur is a better judge of when lethal force is needed?

Rong, in your drug-crazed mind, you have gone off the tracks!

We are discussing the issue of what really happened, the truth of the situation.

You have borne witness to the actual fact that cops will execute prisoners if, in the sole opinion of the cops, the prisoner deserves to die. We ALL KNOW, because we've all seen instances of it, that cops will lie in official documents to cover up their murders.

So YES, they have more EXPERIENCE in covering up crimes they commit. They often carry "throw-away" guns, to enable such cover-ups. They have a process through their union that allows them to "get their stories straight" before interrogation.

Are they more trained and in the know that me? I dunno. When I taught Felony Stops and unarmed combat at the CHP Academy in Sacto, a lot of the cops were not well trained in making decisions.

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:36pm PT

Nah we're just funnin

franky

Trad climber

Bishop, CA

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:42pm PT

That's just like, your opinion, man

And just so y'all know, I fully agree that cops make mistakes, and some of them don't have integrity which is a mandatory requirement of the job.

That being said, I think most of you are having a knee jerk reaction to a person who had mental/drug issues getting killed. It's understandable. I just believe that in this situation, the police acted correctly. If a person like that is out on the street this is an unfortunate possibility. Take care of your friends and family, consider this when you form your opinion about social welfare programs, and hope this kind of stuff won't happen in the future, but don't hate the cops for doing what they did in this situation.

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 03:45pm PT

edit: nice ninja edit ^^ No one is hating on cops. I work with all kinds of different cops, I train cops in certain skill sets. This particular situation should have been handled better and I think the public has the right to expect that.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:04pm PT

And i taught the "Host program" in the USFS, because i was GOOD at being a HOST.

Shame you weren't better at being a LEO......

I dunno where you get off taking the "high road" position, when you have admitted that cops murder people, when they think it's a good idea.

It's the type of thing that makes all cop statements in these situations seem worth of great skepticism.

It's why OJ walked....the cops lied in court.

They will lie if it is in their interest, just like anybody else.

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:06pm PT

EDIT: And again at the very root of a problem, i firmly believe, is the LACK of a natural family unit being the norm nowadays.

The mother of the Perp, with a different name, as usual. This is COMMON place. The Dad? Has not been heard from at all in any reports i can find.
Society has many ills these days. And when kids raise themselves, it is often with dire consequence to them and others. Then comes the media, with pictures of perps from younger days all dressed up smiling sooo nicely- remember Flashbangs rolling stone cover? This is to manipulate reaction.

if this doesn't embarrass you it should

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:19pm PT

run up your post count dude.

what do you want to talk about now?

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:26pm PT

edit: thanks for the ninja edit resume. ^^^^

like Locker I think you are incapable of not responding.

let's test my theory

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:30pm PT

good job so far, it's been four minutes

fight it ron

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:46pm PT

In high school my friend's dad got his head blown off when he answered the door. My friend was a prime suspect, being 16 and a bit rebellious. Years later a retired cop on his death bed (cancer or some shit) admitted to shooting my friend's dad because of a woman and some coke $... or some sh#t like that.

The above story is just as irrelevant to this particular case as most of the other sh#t in this thread. There are bad cops out there, but they are the minority... just like climate scientists who deny anthropogenic climate change.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber

Douglas, WY

Feb 23, 2014 - 04:59pm PT

I'm a Ph.D. scientist and I firmly deny anthropogenic climate change. By the way Edward Teller, "Father of the H-Bomb" also denies anthropogenic climate change.

But why on Earth was Locker brought into this discussion? He has friends here at this site...well...at LEAST one... ;)