BLM shoot and kill a man in Red Rocks (with witness video)

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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 23, 2014 - 02:10am PT
"The paramedics, who had to stand there and watch him die, because the cops threatened them with drawn guns, would not let them approach him for 45 minutes, until he was dead. "




That's something the gunman should have taken into consideration before he decided to raise all that hell. But for his own actions, he wouldn't have even been there.

As one did not need to be Nostradamus to see that as a potential outcome, I'm comfortable calling it suicide.

I think those cops showed remarkable restraint by letting him live for as long as they did, seeing as he was doing his level best to kill those same cops just seconds earlier.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:17am PT
I've made several comments on this thread, but here's my final position statement:

I'm not as concerned by the race of the "victim" as are many previous posters, but am worried about how readily the LEOs resorted to lethal force. Yes. The guy was either jacked up on Angel Dust or some other mind-altering substance which would wear off in a relatively short frame. I've also heard other posters pretty much say "he needed killing."

Where was his "due process?" Granted he was endangering the BLM LEOs after they hit him with pepper spray and a taser. In his fukked up mental state that simply infuriated him further. An individual on these sort of drugs is incapable of responding to a cop's order. Violence escalated. Justifiable homicide? I think not, at least any jury wouldn't think so...

I don't condone the behavior of the perp/victim/drugged out moron, but neither do I condone this use of excessive zeal in whacking him...

If this can be overlooked by officialdom, where are the limits relating to other members of our once-great society?
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:28am PT
Remember the woman who shot the perv., that molested her son, right in the courtroom? Sonora area,25 years ago? Now that is frontier justice, in the face of the system. Not wise, but...
I admit, I liked it then and I still do.
WBraun

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:43am PT
Actual Bank Robbery In Detroit Absolutely Priceless !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhYcsoZ4jJg

Cops are awesome ..... LOL
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:46am PT
Lol that has to be the scene from a movie... has to be!!!???

DMT
franky

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:57am PT
Brokedownclimber, you say deadly force was excessive, but what alternative can you propose? The man was likely alterted and not capable of making a rational decision, so it is really unfortunate that they killed him, but what else could they have done?

Police can be forced to kill somebody by the situation. There isn't always an alternative. It sucks, but it's the way it is. Oh and by the way, that decision is made in less than a second and is second guessed for years by people who don't even know the training and the policies, and probably haven't even thought about the totality of circumstances leading to the situation.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:08am PT
WBraun

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:21am PT
AW man ya spoiled the fun dude ..... :-)

I knew it was fake,

I was laughing about this video because in 1969 I was in downtown San Fransisco financial district just walking around for fun when ....

Suddenly 5 cop cars running lights and sirens pull up in front of a Bank I was walking in front of.

Oooohhh cool!! bank robbery!!!!!

They all run in there guns drawn but came out a few seconds later, got in cars and roared off again.

Wrong bank branch ..... Hahahaha
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:22am PT
Police can be forced to kill someone by the situation...

Forced? Only when they themselves are in really dire straits... "him or me..."

There were many errors made in this instance: trying to "subdue" an individual without sufficient force available, leaving open the door of the HP cruiser, not really knowing the fuk what they're doing?

BITD when I served in the military, the MPs were NOT armed with anything heavier than a billy club, or in many cases, just a big 6 battery flashlight (which made a very effective "truncheon"). NO firearms allowed!In Germany I saw the "aftermath" of just 6 MPs going into a bar filled with ~ 50-60 drunk GIs engaged in a race riot over women. They WON, no doubter. They were also under the strictest of orders--never hit anyone in the head. There were LOTS of broken kneecaps, heavily bruised shins, broken collarbones, etc., but NO fatalities.

The BLM Rangers, or whatever they were, weren't sufficiently trained in basic close order physical self defense combat skills. Yes, they wanted to do this without getting hurt themselves. They shoulda' whacked the bejeezus out of this character, even knocking him out by a blow to the head with a club.

As big a supporter of firearms as I am, the widespread proliferation of guns to Federal Idiots must stop. The Nevada Highway patrolman needed to be armed, but NOT BLM "Rangers."
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:26am PT
I agree with Brokedownclimber 100%.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:31am PT
"As big a supporter of firearms as I am..."
-Brokedown Climber

"I agree with Brokedownclimber 100%."
-philo

This is classic.
WBraun

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:32am PT
LOL you caught that contradiction too .... ^^^^^
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:47am PT
There's really NO contradiction here; the GUNS didn't do anything other than serve as the vehicle for idiocy and incompetence...

I had an M14 during my stint in the military, but was never "forced" to kill anyone with it. I've owned literally hundreds of guns in my lifetime, including some of those "awful assault weapons," but so far haven't ever needed to whack somebody just because I carried it.

I was in a personal confrontation about 20 years ago in a parking lot incident with an aggressive "bully" type individual just as I was getting into my pickup. I had a Winchester Defender 12 gauge pump shotgun under the rear seat for exactly this sort of situation. I chose to leave it there and simply confronted the a$$hole face to face with appropriate "fire in my eye." He backed off. So...it's sort of like giving a kid a toy; they can't wait to play with it. That's the BLM Ranger situation, in my viewpoint. Don't get me wrong here; I'm not really one who likes the "fisticuff" lifestyle, but I also have a belt in Tae Kwon Do from many years ago in addition to Army hand-to-hand combat training. I didn't think even threatening lethal force in the situation was worth contemplating...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:48am PT
You fruit loops don't get it do you. My advocacy for better gun regulation does not mean I am anti gun as you seem to think. Just as my advocacy of Palestinian rights does not make me anti-Jewish. I can say that I agree with a stated opinion without meaning I agree with every opinion of the poster in question. Rodger and I disagree on many points and we agree on many others. His is good man who I appreciate and like. What's the point your comments are trying to make? Or are you just demonstrating that you are no more than a Stupid American?
franky

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:51am PT
The blm rangers probably have more training than the Nevada highway patrol officer in defensive tactics, unless that patrolman had had special training beyond the requirement.

If the subject was just a drunk soldier the situation would have been easier. Bruised shins and even broken collar bones don't necessarily stop a guy like that, But even a drunk soldier knows when the gig is up.

If the suspect doesn't respond to the pain of a baton strike, you want to get away from him, or your going to end up hands on.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:59am PT
I have had a few exceptionally unpleasant encounters with the PseudoCops of RR.
They are absolutely power tripping Rambo Wannabees. They demonstrated incompetence on many levels in this incident. Rodger clearly points some of them out. This did not have to be played out this way. And the rush to acceptance of streetside Capital punishment coupled with the instant vilification of the victim by so many ST posters is a bit disgusting. They will say "whoa, wait a minute you don't know what went down, you weren't there". Then in the next sentence say "One less Meth Head".

We need more Andy Griffith and less Barney Fife.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Werner? A Stupid American? Bwahahahaha!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Sooo Rangers dont need guns eh? I guess then neither do game wardens..

Yeah they will just ask the poachers NICLEY to put down their weapons 30 miles in the back country. And if the poachers tell them to go piss off, they simply have to obey at that point right??

Or how about the dedicated timber thieves? More people go the wilds armed than not has been my actual experience. ESPECIALLY in NV or E CA areas.

You guys remember Claud Dallas right?


Trying to justufy the dead perps actions by saying the door should have not been left open? HOW many of you would have bolted for the cops rig in the perps shoes?


Mistake or not, it ended up with the perp in a cops vehicle grabbing for a gun. AFTER threatening to KILL the officers, yet another crime in and of itself. Threaten to kill me then reach for a gun and see what happens next. Ill have a near empty clip is what would happen..
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Ron, where did you get that from? S t r e t c h i n g?

I at least never intimated such a stupid notion. One of my best old buddies is the Game Warden in one of the largest most rugged regions in Colorado. Ive been with him on night patrols and YES he needs a gun.

The RRRambos however not so much.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
What the heck do you think BLM or USFS LEOs do Philo?

And saying the RR Rangers patrolling just outside THE MOST DANGEROUS town in my state not needing arms is utter nonsense.


And Here is why: Dog Valley road- outside of Reno, where things like this happened while I was there.

Reno Narcotics officer found dead in a ditch

Four yr old girls body discovered in a drain pipe along the road

Near dead homosexual found beaten severly at summit one

Shoot out between three people on summit 1

Suicide setting in his truck along side dog valley road

et, etc, etc etc,



These are known as activity corridors and that activity comes from a near by LARGE town where all manner of things go on but OFTEN result ending in these activity areas.
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