BLM shoot and kill a man in Red Rocks (with witness video)

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Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
I'm simply saying that a black male will have a totally different experience with a cop than a white male. That is a fact.
Law enforcement have acknowledged that they profile and there are plenty of examples of cops rushing to judgement when they encounter some who is black.

Example A-


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 22, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
And To Ken, yes they let him bleed out. He was a rabid animal in all aspects, without regard to anyones life including the many citizens that were wounded that day. They just stood there spraying automatic fire in any direction they pleased. Shooting into approaching cars to try and get access to a better vehicle. They had many officers and citizens that required treatments FIRST. And they saved the state a million or so in prosecuting efforts, and then the housing and feeding and care of that rabid animal for the next 20 years while he waited for an execution.

Thanks, Rong. You have admitted that the cops were 1st degree murderers, and you are advocating that cops should have the right and ability to murder anyone that in their best guess, deserves to die. No need to bother with laws, courts, evidence, or anything else.

So no need to ever advocate again that this doesn't happen if a murderous cop feels like it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Ken you drama king.. I DID NOT SAY MURDER ANYONE . And that was not murder. That was a justifiable killing. And you know something else about that incident? Those two were arrested before with AK 47s in possession, and after serving a PALTRY sentence, the judge ordered to have their weapons given back to them... They needed them to pay their defense lawyers so the story went.. But that was just a lie and the guns were then used to shoot the shyt out of YOUR neighborhood.

So you see, all of the LEGAL TAP DANCING these days leads to only more crime..

And thanks you for TOTALLY IGNORING my commendation to you as well. Showing some super class you are. Just hope YOUR not in the way of the next shoot out..You may be the RONG one then.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 22, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
Ken you drama king.. I DID NOT SAY MURDER ANYONE . And that was not murder. That was a justifiable killing. And you know something else about that incident? Those two were arrested before with AK 47s in possession, and after serving a PALTRY sentence, the judge ordered to have their weapons given back to them... They needed them to pay their defense lawyers so the story went.. But that was just a lie and the guns were then used to shoot the shyt out of YOUR neighborhood.

So you see, all of the LEGAL TAP DANCING these days leads to only more crime..

And thanks you for TOTALLY IGNORING my commendation to you as well. Showing some super class you are. Just hope YOUR not in the way of the next shoot out..You may be the RONG one then.


Wow
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
The two holyweird perps turned in their membership cards to the human race when they unleashed full automatic fire, addressed,

to whom it may concern.

He got exactly what he deserved!

The Red Rocks incident?
Maybe it could have been handled better, maybe not.

Out of control cops beating up deaf people and little girls jaywalking?

there's a problem here.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-cops-taser-deaf-man-unconscious-communicate-article-1.1618103

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/21/i-didnt-fking-do-anything-wrong-why-did-a-woman-allegedly-on-a-jog-end-up-screaming-and-in-handcuffs/

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
Not letting paramedics attend to a wounded suspect is murder. If cops want criminals to respect the law, they need to let the system do the work. If it doesn't than obviously it needs to be fixed, but it is not their decision to make.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:32pm PT
The guy who died caused his own problem, don't you think?

He and his pal shot a couple dozen people. That kind of tied up all of the first-responders. And being the last one shot, he was last in line for help.

He created the long wait time that killed him. I'd call it suicide.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
Big Mike, we arent talking SOP or policy here, that was one incident. That i mentioned then Ken retorted too. And in that instance, the correct decision was made. There were 20 other people shot in that area, so if the perp died waiting,, GOOD. Best thing that could have happened. If some SOB dumped a 1500 rounds at me, i wouldnt give one micro-rip about him surviving.

Its kind of like little "flashbang" from the Boston Marathon bombing. I imagine more than a few million has been spent thus far on that case. IT will be going on for YEARS to come- absolutely ridiculous. Lawyers lining up to grab some fame and references in defending him, the whole nine of that circus.

I dont advocate that sort of treatement for all perps, BUT~~ there are those cases that shouldnt ever make it to a court.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
mechrist, your data doesn't explain the disproportionate amount of blacks arrested and imprisoned compared to whites.

First off, it ain't my data. Second, I never asked about the disproportionate amount of blacks vs whites being arrested and imprisoned. I asked if you and others thought the situation would have turned out any different if the victim had been white but acted exactly the same. I still haven't seen an answer.

You told us a positive story about a cop who happened to be a marine. Now tell us your worst personal experience with a cop.

BTW, I have had few run ins with marines, but I have never met one who was not hell bent on being a macho dick and starting a fight. I don't judge all marines because of those few, but I'm curious... how did you get bloody on your trip to Tijuana?


Exhibit B-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-guy-breaks-into-a-car-viral-video-actually-a-bit-phony-9142106.html

The first break-in took place in Little Tokyo, while the second is curiously transported to Hollywood Blvd, a tourist area where there is likely to be a higher density of police.

Furthermore, the siren that erupts each time a participant works on the car's lock may well have been inserted during editing, as not a single passer-by seems to bat an eyelid despite a loud noise suddenly blaring out two feet away from them.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
He and his pal shot a couple dozen people. That kind of tied up all of the first-responders. And being the last one shot, he was last in line for help.

He created the long wait time that killed him. I'd call it suicide.

Chaz, as usual, you are a total scuz.

The paramedics, who had to stand there and watch him die, because the cops threatened them with drawn guns, would not let them approach him for 45 minutes, until he was dead. They had no other patients to attend to.

Rong, police do not get to make the decision as to whether injured people get treatment. You're the same kind of scum that decide that those civilian "gooks" in Vietnam don't get treatment, because they don't belong to the Master Race.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 22, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
"The paramedics, who had to stand there and watch him die, because the cops threatened them with drawn guns, would not let them approach him for 45 minutes, until he was dead. "




That's something the gunman should have taken into consideration before he decided to raise all that hell. But for his own actions, he wouldn't have even been there.

As one did not need to be Nostradamus to see that as a potential outcome, I'm comfortable calling it suicide.

I think those cops showed remarkable restraint by letting him live for as long as they did, seeing as he was doing his level best to kill those same cops just seconds earlier.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 07:17am PT
I've made several comments on this thread, but here's my final position statement:

I'm not as concerned by the race of the "victim" as are many previous posters, but am worried about how readily the LEOs resorted to lethal force. Yes. The guy was either jacked up on Angel Dust or some other mind-altering substance which would wear off in a relatively short frame. I've also heard other posters pretty much say "he needed killing."

Where was his "due process?" Granted he was endangering the BLM LEOs after they hit him with pepper spray and a taser. In his fukked up mental state that simply infuriated him further. An individual on these sort of drugs is incapable of responding to a cop's order. Violence escalated. Justifiable homicide? I think not, at least any jury wouldn't think so...

I don't condone the behavior of the perp/victim/drugged out moron, but neither do I condone this use of excessive zeal in whacking him...

If this can be overlooked by officialdom, where are the limits relating to other members of our once-great society?
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 23, 2014 - 07:28am PT
Remember the woman who shot the perv., that molested her son, right in the courtroom? Sonora area,25 years ago? Now that is frontier justice, in the face of the system. Not wise, but...
I admit, I liked it then and I still do.
WBraun

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 07:43am PT
Actual Bank Robbery In Detroit Absolutely Priceless !!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhYcsoZ4jJg

Cops are awesome ..... LOL
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 23, 2014 - 07:46am PT
Lol that has to be the scene from a movie... has to be!!!???

DMT
franky

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Feb 23, 2014 - 07:57am PT
Brokedownclimber, you say deadly force was excessive, but what alternative can you propose? The man was likely alterted and not capable of making a rational decision, so it is really unfortunate that they killed him, but what else could they have done?

Police can be forced to kill somebody by the situation. There isn't always an alternative. It sucks, but it's the way it is. Oh and by the way, that decision is made in less than a second and is second guessed for years by people who don't even know the training and the policies, and probably haven't even thought about the totality of circumstances leading to the situation.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 23, 2014 - 08:08am PT
WBraun

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 08:21am PT
AW man ya spoiled the fun dude ..... :-)

I knew it was fake,

I was laughing about this video because in 1969 I was in downtown San Fransisco financial district just walking around for fun when ....

Suddenly 5 cop cars running lights and sirens pull up in front of a Bank I was walking in front of.

Oooohhh cool!! bank robbery!!!!!

They all run in there guns drawn but came out a few seconds later, got in cars and roared off again.

Wrong bank branch ..... Hahahaha
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 08:22am PT
Police can be forced to kill someone by the situation...

Forced? Only when they themselves are in really dire straits... "him or me..."

There were many errors made in this instance: trying to "subdue" an individual without sufficient force available, leaving open the door of the HP cruiser, not really knowing the fuk what they're doing?

BITD when I served in the military, the MPs were NOT armed with anything heavier than a billy club, or in many cases, just a big 6 battery flashlight (which made a very effective "truncheon"). NO firearms allowed!In Germany I saw the "aftermath" of just 6 MPs going into a bar filled with ~ 50-60 drunk GIs engaged in a race riot over women. They WON, no doubter. They were also under the strictest of orders--never hit anyone in the head. There were LOTS of broken kneecaps, heavily bruised shins, broken collarbones, etc., but NO fatalities.

The BLM Rangers, or whatever they were, weren't sufficiently trained in basic close order physical self defense combat skills. Yes, they wanted to do this without getting hurt themselves. They shoulda' whacked the bejeezus out of this character, even knocking him out by a blow to the head with a club.

As big a supporter of firearms as I am, the widespread proliferation of guns to Federal Idiots must stop. The Nevada Highway patrolman needed to be armed, but NOT BLM "Rangers."
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 23, 2014 - 08:26am PT
I agree with Brokedownclimber 100%.
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