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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
but STEEVE is right on the money that blacks have different experiences than whites with cops.

So you and STEEVE honestly think the outcome would have been different if the guy had acted the exact same way, but was white instead of black?

You people are fuking ridiculous.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
STEEVEE, for those incident you mention, indeed no one or no govt or law agency will ever be perfect.

Some one up thread mentioned what officers would do in a war. We have had many examples of that very thing within the confines of this country.

The North Hollywood shootout for instance, where not one officer fled the scene for his or her safety. They stood steadfast against gunmen with all the modern warfare they could carry and wear. Against overwhelming odds for at that time, AR style weaponry wasnt common among LEOs. There is a movie about that incident which is VERY ACCURATE in detail. Suddenly the LosAngeles police dept became the HEROES. But i promise that you would be just as dead from one perp shooting you as two armed with fully auto weapons. The .40 caliber hand gun was developed specifically after a Florida FBI shoot out against two armed men, that had been responsible for cold blooded murders of many innocent victims. The 9mm rounds which both had been shot with did not stop them and they ended up killing two and wounding many other FBI agents.. So thats how they would handle WAR.





edit: Have I ran into "prick officers" ? Yes indeed i have. I had a fellow LEO coming into my district hassling my permitees once upon a time and i had to take measures to see that he never tread in my district again.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
Maybe yall can find more recent data, and I encourage you to look, but just off the top of my google: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/ph98.txt

Credit: mechrist
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
The North Hollywood shootout for instance, where not one officer fled the scene for his or her safety. They stood steadfast against gunmen with all the modern warfare they could carry and wear. Against overwhelming odds for at that time, AR style weaponry wasnt common among LEOs. There is a movie about that incident which is VERY ACCURATE in detail. Suddenly the LosAngeles police dept became the HEROES. But i promise that you would be just as dead from one perp shooting you as two armed with fully auto weapons. The .40 caliber hand gun was developed specifically after a Florida FBI shoot out against two armed men, that had been responsible for cold blooded murders of many innocent victims. The 9mm rounds which both had been shot with did not stop them and they ended up killing two and wounding many other FBI agents.. So thats how they would handle WAR.

Ron, this is an aside of the OP, I agree with your position on that.

However, I live a couple of miles from the site of the above shootout, and I actually treated some of the cops.

I thought their behavior was heroic.

UNTIL they had the gunmen down.

Then they proceeded to execute one by not allowing the paramedics, located 100 feet away, to provide care. He bled to death laying on the ground for nearly an hour.

That was an execution of an unarmed man by cop.

Plain and simple.
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
Ron, thanks for keeping "prick" cops in check.

I remember an experience I had when I was in the Marine Corps when I was trying to get back to Camp Pendleton from Tijuana before I was AWOL. Needless to say it was a rough weekend. I had no money, no vehicle, I had blood all over the front of my shirt and I was walking along the freeway around Chula Vista when an CHP officer stopped me and asked me my story. He listened, laughed and gave me a ride all the way back to camp, 90 minutes out of his way. He was a Marine, that helped, but he was also a cop and I remember him and the nice thing he did for me. I suppose if we had more experiences like that with cops...who knows.
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
mechrist, your data doesn't explain the disproportionate amount of blacks arrested and imprisoned compared to whites. http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
From this data, if I were a black man, I can assume cops and the "Law" they represent don't like me very much.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Actually STEEVEE that goes on WAY more than any of us know- it just isnt headline material for a hyperbolic media .

For instance , i watched the channel 13 vegas news clip about this and their opening comment were about how the incident and the explanations are just fostering ANGER. Yet the rest of the story shows no real anger with anyone. PURE HYPERBOLE is what that is. And the MEDIA is complicit in many of these incidents..


And To Ken, yes they let him bleed out. He was a rabid animal in all aspects, without regard to anyones life including the many citizens that were wounded that day. They just stood there spraying automatic fire in any direction they pleased. Shooting into approaching cars to try and get access to a better vehicle. They had many officers and citizens that required treatments FIRST. And they saved the state a million or so in prosecuting efforts, and then the housing and feeding and care of that rabid animal for the next 20 years while he waited for an execution.

And really, dont try and use the disproportionate stats as a means to an end. Yes poor folks tend to commit more crime. Inner city areas are literally shooting gallery's TODAY. With nightly shootings of all manner of ethnicity against other ethnicity. But that is NEVER used by the media to point out ANYTHING is it. But by golly see WHITE cops shooting a minority and it will be splashed upon headline after headline.



edit : also to Ken, i will commend you for being there and being a help!
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 22, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
Didn't the authorities let the CSA agent at LAX bleed out while procedure dictated a lock-down? Safety first can kill too.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 22, 2014 - 06:19pm PT
I'm simply saying that a black male will have a totally different experience with a cop than a white male. That is a fact.
Law enforcement have acknowledged that they profile and there are plenty of examples of cops rushing to judgement when they encounter some who is black.

Example A-


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
And To Ken, yes they let him bleed out. He was a rabid animal in all aspects, without regard to anyones life including the many citizens that were wounded that day. They just stood there spraying automatic fire in any direction they pleased. Shooting into approaching cars to try and get access to a better vehicle. They had many officers and citizens that required treatments FIRST. And they saved the state a million or so in prosecuting efforts, and then the housing and feeding and care of that rabid animal for the next 20 years while he waited for an execution.

Thanks, Rong. You have admitted that the cops were 1st degree murderers, and you are advocating that cops should have the right and ability to murder anyone that in their best guess, deserves to die. No need to bother with laws, courts, evidence, or anything else.

So no need to ever advocate again that this doesn't happen if a murderous cop feels like it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
Ken you drama king.. I DID NOT SAY MURDER ANYONE . And that was not murder. That was a justifiable killing. And you know something else about that incident? Those two were arrested before with AK 47s in possession, and after serving a PALTRY sentence, the judge ordered to have their weapons given back to them... They needed them to pay their defense lawyers so the story went.. But that was just a lie and the guns were then used to shoot the shyt out of YOUR neighborhood.

So you see, all of the LEGAL TAP DANCING these days leads to only more crime..

And thanks you for TOTALLY IGNORING my commendation to you as well. Showing some super class you are. Just hope YOUR not in the way of the next shoot out..You may be the RONG one then.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 22, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
Ken you drama king.. I DID NOT SAY MURDER ANYONE . And that was not murder. That was a justifiable killing. And you know something else about that incident? Those two were arrested before with AK 47s in possession, and after serving a PALTRY sentence, the judge ordered to have their weapons given back to them... They needed them to pay their defense lawyers so the story went.. But that was just a lie and the guns were then used to shoot the shyt out of YOUR neighborhood.

So you see, all of the LEGAL TAP DANCING these days leads to only more crime..

And thanks you for TOTALLY IGNORING my commendation to you as well. Showing some super class you are. Just hope YOUR not in the way of the next shoot out..You may be the RONG one then.


Wow
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
The two holyweird perps turned in their membership cards to the human race when they unleashed full automatic fire, addressed,

to whom it may concern.

He got exactly what he deserved!

The Red Rocks incident?
Maybe it could have been handled better, maybe not.

Out of control cops beating up deaf people and little girls jaywalking?

there's a problem here.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-cops-taser-deaf-man-unconscious-communicate-article-1.1618103

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/21/i-didnt-fking-do-anything-wrong-why-did-a-woman-allegedly-on-a-jog-end-up-screaming-and-in-handcuffs/

Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
Not letting paramedics attend to a wounded suspect is murder. If cops want criminals to respect the law, they need to let the system do the work. If it doesn't than obviously it needs to be fixed, but it is not their decision to make.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
The guy who died caused his own problem, don't you think?

He and his pal shot a couple dozen people. That kind of tied up all of the first-responders. And being the last one shot, he was last in line for help.

He created the long wait time that killed him. I'd call it suicide.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
Big Mike, we arent talking SOP or policy here, that was one incident. That i mentioned then Ken retorted too. And in that instance, the correct decision was made. There were 20 other people shot in that area, so if the perp died waiting,, GOOD. Best thing that could have happened. If some SOB dumped a 1500 rounds at me, i wouldnt give one micro-rip about him surviving.

Its kind of like little "flashbang" from the Boston Marathon bombing. I imagine more than a few million has been spent thus far on that case. IT will be going on for YEARS to come- absolutely ridiculous. Lawyers lining up to grab some fame and references in defending him, the whole nine of that circus.

I dont advocate that sort of treatement for all perps, BUT~~ there are those cases that shouldnt ever make it to a court.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 22, 2014 - 11:55pm PT
mechrist, your data doesn't explain the disproportionate amount of blacks arrested and imprisoned compared to whites.

First off, it ain't my data. Second, I never asked about the disproportionate amount of blacks vs whites being arrested and imprisoned. I asked if you and others thought the situation would have turned out any different if the victim had been white but acted exactly the same. I still haven't seen an answer.

You told us a positive story about a cop who happened to be a marine. Now tell us your worst personal experience with a cop.

BTW, I have had few run ins with marines, but I have never met one who was not hell bent on being a macho dick and starting a fight. I don't judge all marines because of those few, but I'm curious... how did you get bloody on your trip to Tijuana?


Exhibit B-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-guy-breaks-into-a-car-viral-video-actually-a-bit-phony-9142106.html

The first break-in took place in Little Tokyo, while the second is curiously transported to Hollywood Blvd, a tourist area where there is likely to be a higher density of police.

Furthermore, the siren that erupts each time a participant works on the car's lock may well have been inserted during editing, as not a single passer-by seems to bat an eyelid despite a loud noise suddenly blaring out two feet away from them.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 23, 2014 - 01:57am PT
He and his pal shot a couple dozen people. That kind of tied up all of the first-responders. And being the last one shot, he was last in line for help.

He created the long wait time that killed him. I'd call it suicide.

Chaz, as usual, you are a total scuz.

The paramedics, who had to stand there and watch him die, because the cops threatened them with drawn guns, would not let them approach him for 45 minutes, until he was dead. They had no other patients to attend to.

Rong, police do not get to make the decision as to whether injured people get treatment. You're the same kind of scum that decide that those civilian "gooks" in Vietnam don't get treatment, because they don't belong to the Master Race.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 23, 2014 - 02:10am PT
"The paramedics, who had to stand there and watch him die, because the cops threatened them with drawn guns, would not let them approach him for 45 minutes, until he was dead. "




That's something the gunman should have taken into consideration before he decided to raise all that hell. But for his own actions, he wouldn't have even been there.

As one did not need to be Nostradamus to see that as a potential outcome, I'm comfortable calling it suicide.

I think those cops showed remarkable restraint by letting him live for as long as they did, seeing as he was doing his level best to kill those same cops just seconds earlier.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:17am PT
I've made several comments on this thread, but here's my final position statement:

I'm not as concerned by the race of the "victim" as are many previous posters, but am worried about how readily the LEOs resorted to lethal force. Yes. The guy was either jacked up on Angel Dust or some other mind-altering substance which would wear off in a relatively short frame. I've also heard other posters pretty much say "he needed killing."

Where was his "due process?" Granted he was endangering the BLM LEOs after they hit him with pepper spray and a taser. In his fukked up mental state that simply infuriated him further. An individual on these sort of drugs is incapable of responding to a cop's order. Violence escalated. Justifiable homicide? I think not, at least any jury wouldn't think so...

I don't condone the behavior of the perp/victim/drugged out moron, but neither do I condone this use of excessive zeal in whacking him...

If this can be overlooked by officialdom, where are the limits relating to other members of our once-great society?
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