BLM shoot and kill a man in Red Rocks (with witness video)

Have friends in LE here in Vegas and word is the dude was hopped up on something fierce, PCP perhaps, was tased and pepper sprayed and impervious to it...hence why the two BLM LEO's couldn't wrangle the guy.

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:58am PT
" 20 years ago, we didn't have people fried on drugs that make them superman strong and impervious to rational thouhgts [sic].."

Yes we did. The PCP cliche is from at least 20 years ago.

All of this "treating with kindness" stuff is what got us here in there first place. The guy had been bothering passing bicyclists somehow. Then the LEOs show up and TRY to talk, spray and taze him into submission. If a TAZER wont work,, well~~~

And Sure they could have jumped him gang style and appear on the evening news with a Rodney King sort of statement to follow. Dammed if you do, dammed if you dont. This is an indicator of a dwindling respect for LEOs in general. And even worse a disrespect of their available force. If im told to co operate by armed LEOS,, im gonna. If its over non sense, the courts can later decide. They guy OBVIOUSLY wasnt going to co operate and somehow managed to thwart a tazer, then jumped into what was no doubt a running vehicle with arms in it. I would have squeezed the trigger too.

"F*#k you fatty. You were an LEO like a janitor at NASA is astronaut. This site forum has enough issues without a delusional and inflammatory asshat like you being in the mix. The sooner you get shown to the door again, the better this place will be!"

...Lighten up will you.

Any high school linebacker could have tackled the guy. Any high school wrestler could have pinned him. Once tackled or pinned, it's a simple matter to apply the cuffs.

Back in the 'good old days' or really more physical times, they would'a whacked him with a billy club in the shins or on the shoulders until he "became cooperative."

Excessive use of force seems self-evident here. Especially since it was lethal force. Of course there will be "an official investigation," and in the end simply swept under the rug with an "official reprimand" or some such BS!

multiple taser deployments, pepper spray and a baton, all in an effort to remove him from the roadway, where cyclists reported seeing a man walking in and out of traffic (i.e. threatening the safety of others).

LEOs should have had the vehicle secured, and rifle rack locked. Unless he had the gun in his hands, he did not constitute a legitimate threat to their lives.

I really don't have much sympathy for either the victim of the shooting or the LEOs; it escalated beyond control due to either drugs, physical illness, or mental unbalance.

But do not be deceived, all police are as corrupt as any gangster

(edit) What's up with the vicious attacks on Fatrad? No wonder he left the site. If my memory serves he left voluntarily. He did not get kicked off.

If you are resisting a police officer, and you reach for a firearm, expect to be shot 100% of the time.

Bummer, but they officers were justified in what they did, and the subject's actions dictated the outcome of the incident.

It really isn't that hard to avoid trouble with cops.

I'm simply saying that a black male will have a totally different experience with a cop than a white male. That is a fact.

Licking the jar from the outside will never give you the inside ......

You don't know sh!t about cops.

Yes the IDIOT was showing massive respect for others out in the middle of the road

I'm sure you and I would agree, Ron, that if this guy broke into our house, deadly force would be warranted.

Funny the guys who are down on cops are from Humbolt and Santa Cruz.

Weed head alert..... paranoia big destroy ya.

History says blood will have to flow to reset society, So I think we may all take a moment to call ourselves stupid for repeating it. But we will repeat it.

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

but STEEVE is right on the money that blacks have different experiences than whites with cops.

The North Hollywood shootout for instance, where not one officer fled the scene for his or her safety. They stood steadfast against gunmen with all the modern warfare they could carry and wear. Against overwhelming odds for at that time, AR style weaponry wasnt common among LEOs. There is a movie about that incident which is VERY ACCURATE in detail. Suddenly the LosAngeles police dept became the HEROES. But i promise that you would be just as dead from one perp shooting you as two armed with fully auto weapons. The .40 caliber hand gun was developed specifically after a Florida FBI shoot out against two armed men, that had been responsible for cold blooded murders of many innocent victims. The 9mm rounds which both had been shot with did not stop them and they ended up killing two and wounding many other FBI agents.. So thats how they would handle WAR.

I'm simply saying that a black male will have a totally different experience with a cop than a white male. That is a fact.
Law enforcement have acknowledged that they profile and there are plenty of examples of cops rushing to judgement when they encounter some who is black.

And To Ken, yes they let him bleed out. He was a rabid animal in all aspects, without regard to anyones life including the many citizens that were wounded that day. They just stood there spraying automatic fire in any direction they pleased. Shooting into approaching cars to try and get access to a better vehicle. They had many officers and citizens that required treatments FIRST. And they saved the state a million or so in prosecuting efforts, and then the housing and feeding and care of that rabid animal for the next 20 years while he waited for an execution.

Ken you drama king.. I DID NOT SAY MURDER ANYONE . And that was not murder. That was a justifiable killing. And you know something else about that incident? Those two were arrested before with AK 47s in possession, and after serving a PALTRY sentence, the judge ordered to have their weapons given back to them... They needed them to pay their defense lawyers so the story went.. But that was just a lie and the guns were then used to shoot the shyt out of YOUR neighborhood.

So you see, all of the LEGAL TAP DANCING these days leads to only more crime..

And thanks you for TOTALLY IGNORING my commendation to you as well. Showing some super class you are. Just hope YOUR not in the way of the next shoot out..You may be the RONG one then.

mechrist, your data doesn't explain the disproportionate amount of blacks arrested and imprisoned compared to whites.

The first break-in took place in Little Tokyo, while the second is curiously transported to Hollywood Blvd, a tourist area where there is likely to be a higher density of police.

Furthermore, the siren that erupts each time a participant works on the car's lock may well have been inserted during editing, as not a single passer-by seems to bat an eyelid despite a loud noise suddenly blaring out two feet away from them.

He and his pal shot a couple dozen people. That kind of tied up all of the first-responders. And being the last one shot, he was last in line for help.

He created the long wait time that killed him. I'd call it suicide.

Police can be forced to kill someone by the situation...

am worried about how readily the LEOs resorted to lethal force. Yes.

trying to "subdue" an individual without sufficient force available

How many here have ever held a person at gunpoint?

You absolutely can. It's not a special gun, it's a beanbag round for a stock 12 gauge.

Reno Narcotics officer found dead in a ditch

Four yr old girls body discovered in a drain pipe along the road

Near dead homosexual found beaten severly at summit one

or time that the officers didn't have.

What makes you think bean bags are going to work if a taser, pepper spray, and baton didn't? He was unresponsive to pain. Officers don't carry bean bags rounds because tasers, pepper spray, and batons work better.

KEn M, its called EXPERIENCE. And YES those officers are more trained and more in the know than you. Are you saying that the UNTRAINED amateur is a better judge of when lethal force is needed?

And i taught the "Host program" in the USFS, because i was GOOD at being a HOST.

EDIT: And again at the very root of a problem, i firmly believe, is the LACK of a natural family unit being the norm nowadays.

The mother of the Perp, with a different name, as usual. This is COMMON place. The Dad? Has not been heard from at all in any reports i can find.
Society has many ills these days. And when kids raise themselves, it is often with dire consequence to them and others. Then comes the media, with pictures of perps from younger days all dressed up smiling sooo nicely- remember Flashbangs rolling stone cover? This is to manipulate reaction.

I'm a Ph.D. scientist and I firmly deny anthropogenic climate change.

... several times I was about to shoot suspects and they made better choices to comply with my orders.

Deserved: merited or earned

I wouldn't expect anyone to take [me] seriously, especially without me proving I had spent a great deal of time studying the specific subject.

a lot of the cops were not well trained in making decisions.

I wouldn't expect anyone to take [me] seriously, especially without me proving I had spent a great deal of time studying the specific subject.

I'm a Ph.D. scientist and I firmly deny anthropogenic climate change. By the way Edward Teller, "Father of the H-Bomb" also denies anthropogenic climate change.

Hate to tell you this, but Teller's dead, I doubt he denies much of anything these days!

Reading a couple more articles, I bet the cops have been directed to focus on specific infractions as part of the pedestrian safety effort.
I bet they're thrilled... Now in addition to the usual dv's, possession, warrants, death investigations, shoplifts, noise complaints, orders of protection, criminal damages, burglary, trespasses, found property, lost property, private property vehicle accidents, child protective services assists, court appearances, and other fun stuff, now they're supposed to bust jaywalkers, bicyclists, and crosswalk violators?

Have fun with that.

We have no idea why this woman was contacted. Perhaps police were looking for a woman who matched that description for any number of reasons. She may have shoplifted, left a domestic violence scene, or any of a million other reasons to warrant police contact. The fact that she was crossing a street may be of no signifigance. She had to be somewhere, right?

gestapo-esque

In Arizona you are required by law to identify yourself truthfully to an officer if legally detained. Even though "nobody ever gets a ticket for jaywalking", if it's illegal in your community and you do it, you have given cops all the reason they need to legally and justifiably contact and detain you. I'll bet that's what happened here.

what cops think about a shooting may mean something different from what non-cops think, but it doesn't mean that cops are more "right."

No Ken, I wrote it clearly. You are not required or expected to have id on you at all times.

Acevedo said he reviewed audio recordings and written reports of the arrest of Amanda Jo Stephen, 24, on a charge of failure to identify.

Stephen used profanity when speaking with officers, leading officers to handcuff her.

Only after screaming at officers and being placed in the pack of a police vehicle did Stephen provide her name.

When they finally stopped her, she “was resisting and wouldn’t provide identification,” the spokeswoman said.

No Ken, I wrote it clearly. You are not required or expected to have id on you at all times.