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cali kat

climber
CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 20, 2014 - 02:28am PT

Article link below


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562612/Video-Man-killed-scuffle-authorities.html

Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:26am PT
Seems entering a Highway Patrol car equipped with a
loaded AR gets you shot.
The suspect should have been apprehended soon after
the pepper spray incapacitated him.

Interest turn of events, it seems the situation was
allowed to escalate, and the suspect
failed to heed the officer's command.

Didn't need killing though.
But..
Center-mass is the way in Vegas.
The police will kill, IF they feel threatened.
Define that for me in legal terms please.

Redneck justice?
Maybe
Bad situation for all involved.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Did the Leos plant a bag of popcorn on him to cover their asses"..?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:40am PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#345880
speelyei

Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
Feb 20, 2014 - 09:18am PT
As usual, there isn't enough detail to form an opinion.
Why did someone (a cyclist) feel compelled to call 911?
How many people called?
What did the BLM rangers see when they contacted the guy?
Did the guy have a warrant, or extensive criminal history?
Why did the guy fail to comply with instructions?
The question "why did they not cuff him?" is presented as a failure on the rangers part. It's a good question... Maybe they couldn't? Maybe there was some other reason?
Then another cop from a different outfit shows up, and he doesn't get the guy cuffed?
Now you have someone who has alarmed the public, resisted arrest, assaulted (attempted maybe) multiple officers, and has now gotten in the cop mobile...
And what's in there? Cop stuff... Radio, rifle or shotgun, a marked vehicle that the public recognizes as authority (or at least an agency they want nothing to do with)..
Has the situation escalated from the initial call? I'd say yes...
The play-by-play from the guys sitting in their car is not valid commentary. They are not experts, they are not clairvoyant. The comments of the truck driver who said the cops couldn't get the guy in cuffs were almost a footnote...
I'm not condemning the guy or apologizing for the cops. My issue is with articles like this, which seem to be commonplace these days. They have little fact, lots of opinion, and present speculation as truth. Bad situation, worse reporting.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 20, 2014 - 09:25am PT
Well here is one trufitude, the guy is DEAD.
And not from "natural" causes.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT
+1 Speel.. Hard to tell there. But the guy was BIG and unruly. Pepper sprayed and still going. That is an escalation. At that time im sure the LEOS were wondering exactly what this guy was "on". And when he went for the patrol unit, the decision had been made by him and him alone. He had to ignore many commands by those officers. Hard to judge intent from 300 feet down the roadway. Not to mention that he had been reported by bicyclers to them, and those details unkown as well.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Feb 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT
If the victim was mentally ill, then this is a very sad outcome.

If the victim was just an ass, then that's one less as#@&%e for the rest of us to deal with.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:06am PT
BINGO WML...
all in jim

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:47am PT
I thought the goal was to protect and to serve?
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:50am PT
A rap route for Crimson Crysalis probably could have prevented this.
Sad all the way around.
BJ

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:52am PT
This is how you do it

wbw

Trad climber
'cross the great divide
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
Have friends in LE here in Vegas and word is the dude was hopped up on something fierce, PCP perhaps, was tased and pepper sprayed and impervious to it...hence why the two BLM LEO's couldn't wrangle the guy.

Yes, and if your friends in law enforcement say that, it must be true, because cops never lie to protect themselves/each other. (voice oozing with sarcasm)

Protect and serve? Here in Boulder the cops mostly forgot that a long time ago.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
You left this part out, wbw...

'Could it have been handled better? Most likely. But in the end these guys have one goal every day - to go home and see their families.'


Can't blame 'em for that. (Though many here usually would, regardless of the facts.)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
I don't know WML. I have a couple of cop friends, but I have personal experience with Clark County LEOs that allowed me to WIN (not settle) a lawsuit against them for criminal behavior that not one of them was personally held accountable for in terms of actual charges.

It is a double standard that, in the end, does more harm than good.


Going home to their families is a nice Norman Rockwell cliche, but to protect and serve SHOULD be expected.

Not enough info to judge, but it sounds like they should have ganged up and mixed it up with him instead of relying on stand off toys.
How sad, the side of the road with a rolling suitcase, pack and bedroll.

And why is it always "PCP"?
Sheesh, of all people CLIMBERS should know how powerful a drug adrenaline is.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
The cops looked like a bunch of pussies getting pushed around, had to resort to their guns. However, I can't say I'm really opposed to the shooting. You don't f*#k with armed officers - kind of 101.

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:52pm PT
I don't know what happened in this story -didn't look at he article and don't care to.

Maybe the future will be a better place, using robotic officers. PCP Speedy may be able to fend off 2 humans - or more - but I bet he wouldn't get very far with a robot that can sprout a net from the top of his bot head that then tightens down to encase the perp and himself in a nylon chrysallis until they can haul the catch down to a precinct.

I know it is easy to point to what seems to be a growing number of police quick at the draw but 20 years ago, we didn't have people fried on drugs that make them superman strong and impervious to rational thouhgts, nor the over-medication with drugs that can cause people to have suicidal/violent thoughts as a side effect(YES, listen to the ads on TV touting this sh#t - f*#king SIDE EFFECTS like this and they are pushing he drugs to people who until then probably hadn't thought they had a problem!)

I've only known a few cops in my life, but those ones I met have been decent human beings.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
" 20 years ago, we didn't have people fried on drugs that make them superman strong and impervious to rational thouhgts.."

Yes we did. The PCP cliche is from at least 20 years ago.

One difference today is that police killings get more press, and are more likely to get filmed, as with Rodney King.
However, like the Rodney King case, the failure to subdue led to the escalation.

Another difference today might be that stories of suicidal killers have received huge press, sometimes encouraging more potential mass murderers, but also encouraging the "Securitization" industy, which includes cops, prisons, Border Patrol, NSA, etc.

another police killing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562476/Woman-calls-justice-police-beat-husband-death-daughter-movie-theater-row.html
GuapoVino

Trad climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Cop shoots at a snake in a tree and kills a 5 year old boy.

http://kfor.com/2013/08/12/officers-record-cleared-after-deadly-shooting/
BJ

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
And?????? A tragic mistake, I'm sure the LEO has nightmares every night and, there's no such thing has "having your record cleared", it stays on the record as a major screw forever, forget promotions. Lst month in the Bay Area, one BART police officer accidently shot and killed another BART officer, a huge accident.

OMG! Kill somebody because your a moron cop, and you have that in your file as a major screw up forever! Oh no, that's terrible! And who says the police aren't held accountable.


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