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climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Feb 18, 2014 - 11:28am PT

Follow through. Trolling seems like innocent fun at first but so often it gets out of hand and starts infecting even the quality threads.

I've been on so may forums over the years that I hadly even notice stuff like that anymore. So common on the intardnet. But if you are not hardened to it it really is unpleasant.

Never hurts to realize we are talking to real people.. climbers mostly. Climbing is such a small world where if you stick around a while and go a few different places you run into each other or at least someone elses buddy.

It's hard to be rude to folks you have met and gotten to like. Think about that as a climber we all are quite likely to meet.

Jaybro

Social climber

Wolf City, Wyoming

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:00pm PT

There's a little GBU in all of us.....

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:07pm PT

I reject your suggestion we should be better behaved because people are watching or because of this place's popularity...what does that have to do with how you treat people?

But I do agree that you should be less of a troll.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:14pm PT

I am trying to make up for some of my former evils by attempting to post some better content. It bothers me that after a few days anything you post becomes permanent, as there are quite a few things I would go back and alter or delete, as they were offensive. Sorry about that.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:33pm PT

Wait, there are people that take this sh!t seriously?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:35pm PT

Being the perfectly neutral good looking buddha that I am, I have nothing to say here.

kennyt

Trad climber

Oregon

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:38pm PT

I doubt anyone has left because of Ron.

WBraun

climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:45pm PT

The "good"

It's so lovely to be here on this nice forum ....

The "bad"

You stupid American ...

The ugly

Why you fuked up stupid American sh!thead retard sorry ass excuse for a human being ...

LOL this is a raw site.

Not for the timid ......

WBraun

climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 12:55pm PT

Ron

Just be yourself.

Nothing can go wrong with that .......

:-)

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:03pm PT

"I doubt anyone has left because of Ron."

Wanna bet?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:10pm PT

A recent email I received from a formally regular ST'er:

"I pretty much lurk on ST now. Too many people like Ron Anderson on there now. IMO, there are too many people, like Anderson, posting now."

anita514

Gym climber

Great White North

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:11pm PT

does WBraun really hate America?

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:12pm PT

It's pretty easy to avoid conflict on the internet if you really want to, but how boring is that?!?

How the f*#k else am i going to jerk off if you idiots arent arguing over healthcare and gun control?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:13pm PT

The irony that you of all people would be trying to make everything nice and sweet and light here at ST shows the same level of astounding hypocrisy you have around healthcare & insurance, Rong.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:15pm PT

Yep, I beat my dog... relentlessly... sometimes it takes him days to recover. But I only beat him when he is being a fuking idiot... same goes for stupid taco posters.

kennyt

Trad climber

Oregon

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:16pm PT

Who didn't know where this thread was going to end up?

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:16pm PT

I don't know if anyone else has noticed what was inevitable from the start. That is that the incredibly snarky vindictive posting that reached a crescendo during the last conjunction of Winter cabin fever and Presidential election cycle has certainly abated. We are back to our usual stupid selves. it's all good and should stay raw for all to see warts and all.
It is after all a conversation amongst a bunch of passionately stupid tacos right?

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:20pm PT

This place is like 2 websites in 1.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:24pm PT

You should change your avatar pic to your favorite whiny crybaby pic, Rong.

You & you alone have created your identity here, and nothings gonna change that except you.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:24pm PT

Do you hear the sound of "one hand slapping"?
Or we're you expecting a circle jerk?

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:26pm PT

this is a really great thread

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:27pm PT

Yep Kenny,, ,my Dads ol saying comes to mind,, "wish in one hand and shyt in the other and see which one fills first."

Well i have tried.

Anyone who has tried shitting in their hand deserves what they get.

TwistedCrank

climber

Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:29pm PT

Got any pics?

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:34pm PT

I was just havin' sum snarky phun. :-)

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:45pm PT

As long as it's done with LED lamps it's all green with me.

sac

Trad climber

Sun Coast B.C.

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:51pm PT

.... lurking, I noticed... on a thread somewhere...

you (OP) suggesting "ballpeening" someone's head or something??

Struck me as really aweful. Really classless.

Appreciate your efforts to perhaps encourage less of this as#@&%e like input.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 18, 2014 - 01:59pm PT

Well, sac, not sure about 'ballpeening' someone, but does 'gutting like a Chinook' qualify?

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:01pm PT

Ron, You are the only one who brings reality to ST at this point, very little Elezarian lately. Keep giving them the reality of the world!!

Handjam Belay

Gym climber

expat from the truth

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:02pm PT

I've been a supertopo member since LONG before we logged in.

If there was some way to block certain poster's comments so I didn't have to see them that would make my experience better.

Never met you Ron but you lessen my experience. It's very interesting to me that you would start this thread without looking in the mirror or seeing how it relates to you.

Handjam Belay

Gym climber

expat from the truth

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:11pm PT

Would be great at this point to have a political sub-forum...lest stuff like Fitz traverse gets pushed downhill in favor of this.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:13pm PT

Handjam Belay: There is a greasemonkey script that will block anyone you want. I use it at home (can't load it at work) to filter a few. Can't link the thread with instuctions, but should be easy to find.

the "nicest person on ST" post too much

Sorry 'bout that Sully. Work is hectic for me this week, so I'll be on a reduced post count.

atchafalaya

Boulder climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:14pm PT

Please use your outstretched hand to cover your mouth (i.e., stop posting). Your repeated, ignorant replies to every thread make this site suck. And if my, and others, simple requests don't work, GFYS idiot.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:14pm PT

Can you READ? I CERTAINLY owned up to my part.

And the outstretched hand is slapped.

It only took to page 2 to get back to the melodramatic victim shtick.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:15pm PT

BUT,, when i say i NEVER start confrontations here, that is 100% fact.

Handjam Belay

Gym climber

expat from the truth

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:21pm PT

Ron's just "standing his ground".

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:23pm PT

It has lessened my own experience that others chose to basically call me stupid and other less generous things for simply owning firearms. So while I dont really consider myself being either liberal OR conservative, preferring to choose issues and politicians based on their own merits and my own experiences, others here have chosen to label me in a derogatory manner.
While im cuurently striving to turn a new leaf, so to speak, i,ll tell you that much of my past aggravation, defensiveness, and offensiveness was reactive in nature.
Quite frankly, i doubt much will change here. Seems that while y,all enjoy celebrating climbing together and sharing other experiences and interests, many here also jump on any opportunity to berate other members for their beliefs, political, moral, or otherwise. Its a longstanding method of operation.
You cant expect other people to change.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:40pm PT

Ive been insulted, threatened and wished dead here too. BFD. Got news for ya,, ive had that in REAL LIFE and have taken REAL LIFE. So really, in the grand scheme, all of the cyber crap doesnt equal shite stuck to the bottom of my boot. I didnt want this to be about me-

I feel the same way, Ron

so why does it always seem to end up about you on the threads?

what do you mean when you say you have taken real life, did you shoot and kill someone?

John M

climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:41pm PT

my sh#t don't stink
my sh#t don't stink
my sh#t don't stink

its all you other shitty stinkers that are smelling up the place.hahahaha..

I spent a lot of effort trying to help Lois/LEB try to see how she attacks others. She was not able to learn. She went to her demise believing that It was always the other guys fault. Some folks just can't seem to learn, and some folks can't smell their own sh#t. I don't' know why that is, but it certainly is that way.

Then you have the whole problem of it being hard to express sarcasm in writing, or it being hard to understand each others humor, and things go balls up even faster.

I do agree that its gotten particularly nasty in the last few years. I don't know what to do about that except try to not add to it. That said, if any of you rat bastards comes after me. I will beat you down. heh heh heh..

Its raw here. Werner likes it that way. I like a certain amount of rawness here too. But the constant bullsh#t. .ack..

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:43pm PT

If the rawness bothers you, try:

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Feb 18, 2014 - 02:46pm PT

I've been staying away for about a month.
I have to laugh that of course Ron would get thoroughly slimed for starting this thread.

I've had plural disagreements with Ron and many others around here about conservation (an actual climbing related topic), other non-related politics such as gun rights and that socialist thug Obama.
Ron, in particular, has always been pretty decent and polite. Unlike others I won't name.

Namaste, Ron.

Edit: OMG it's FATTY!!! Same experiences regards Fatty as Ron.
and Namaste to you too. PureEvil........appropriate nick ;)

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 18, 2014 - 03:16pm PT

I agree with HighTraverse. The way I see it others start the name-calling.
Maybe some of the so-called high and mighty deep thinkers should learn some
manners and how to have a conversation without resorting to grade school antics.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 18, 2014 - 03:20pm PT

Norton,

Maybe it's Ron, because he is now the only one voicing the reality of the world and so many ST'ers desire fantasy world.

Hope you're doing well.

TheEvilOne

Hi Jeff!

So happy to see you back here posting again, can't tell you how I have missed you.

In fact, I still think about you every time I take a dump.

Best wishes Fatty!

HighTraverse

Trad climber

Bay Area

Feb 18, 2014 - 03:39pm PT

DMT apologized to Fatty?
He must have been having a senior moment.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 18, 2014 - 04:03pm PT

Its just that, well. Fattrad doesn't know where to draw the battle lines.

what a shame

and ChrisMac agrees, he has banned you a couple of times

yet here you are again

how long do you figure until this new username is deactivated again, Jeff?

you think he links it to your home IP address, are you posting from Taco Bell now?

regardless, but aren't you a ray of sunshine today on this thread!

say, are you, Lois, and Rokjox still living together?

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 18, 2014 - 04:11pm PT

We are missing many a poster from days gone by here. They leave due to the in house bicker-fests

Let's see a list of these "many". I can think of exactly one.

Users come and go. Life gets in the way - kids, career, health; and people's interests change. Same thing happens on every niche forum regardless the topic, could be woodworking, knitting, or football team fan sites, it's all the same.

skcreidc

Social climber

SD, CA

Feb 18, 2014 - 04:26pm PT

One of the problems IS the instant access to this media and the hard time people have handling it. I thought Craig Ferguson was right on (while being funny as hell) when he said you need to ask yourself 3 questions when responding; Does this need to be said? Does this need to be said by me? Does this need to be said by me now? It's funny because there is a grain of truth at the root of that skit.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 18, 2014 - 04:57pm PT

Sad to say, I haven't heard from Crowley in several years.

I do miss him and most of the other posters who've gone AWOL, other than the obvious hucksters and spammers. And I, at least, would feel impoverished if Ron, apogee, or any of the other regulars quit posting, voluntarily or otherwise.

I guess I don't see much difference between posts on a thread and stations on the broadcast spectrum. Just because they exist doesn't mean I need to tune in to every one. Am I alone thinking this?

John

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Feb 18, 2014 - 05:06pm PT

Was Fattrad banned...?

Banks

Trad climber

Santa Monica, CA

Feb 18, 2014 - 05:09pm PT

As the saying goes...

If you run into an a@#hole at the coffee shop, then maybe he really is an a$#hole. If you run into an a#$hole at the coffee shop, at the gym, at work, at the store etc. Then you're probably the a@#hole.

Or something like that.

Paul Martzen

Trad climber

Fresno

Feb 18, 2014 - 05:11pm PT

Thanks for the OP, Ron. I appreciate your sentiment and want to encourage it.

Sometimes I laugh hysterically at the insults that get flung back and forth. (Norton, "I think about you every time I take a dump.") Pretty funny, unless the target does not appreciate the joke. Then it is not funny and deserves an apology.

But, we can't force anybody to apologize. We can't force anybody to not fling insults. We can't force anybody to understand our perspective.

In this forum and internet forums in general, it takes quite a bit of time and effort to write thoughtful and helpful posts. It takes no time and minimal effort to post quick insults and nonsense. Therefore it is perhaps inevitable that insults and nonsense will outweigh thoughtful posts. I try to wade through and look for the interesting posts in the mix. Some people I tend to mostly ignore, but sometimes posters that I dislike, post really interesting comments or stories.

As a liberal, I often find the posts of the conservatives here disheartening. Not so much because of the specific positions taken, but because of the ways they are expressed. I see a lot of arguments here that are supposedly over particular positions or views. Yet it strikes me that the arguments are really over the ways each party expresses themselves. Like people are trying to play different kinds of music at the same time. One person is playing blues and the other is baroque. They just annoy each other, but can't figure out why. So they assume the other guy is stupid or deliberately mean.

It takes some patience to pull back and think,"Are we really talking about the same thing? Why is this person's perspective so different from mine?"

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de la Playa

Feb 18, 2014 - 05:49pm PT

Is it OK just to read the first page and then skip to the last?

Goodgrief, Badass, Uglystick

Look a here
What's that?
You should be ashamed of yourself
Why?

Calling people ugly
I didn't call you ugly
What you say?
I said you was ruined, that's all

hey there say, man

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Feb 18, 2014 - 08:40pm PT

Banks! I like that quote:

Fatty! I always enjoyed you on this site when you were being fun, intelligent, & witty.

When you argued for the sake of arguing, I tuned out.

I think! Too many people on this site have keyboard diarrhea, or take these e-arguements entirely too seriously.

Namaste.

It's really all about enjoying the mountains.

Or do you want to argue?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 18, 2014 - 08:45pm PT

mountains suck

LilaBiene

Trad climber

Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite

Feb 18, 2014 - 10:28pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

@ 9:15...

weezy

climber

Feb 18, 2014 - 10:49pm PT

omg, locker...i can't breathe...

Fritz

Trad climber

Choss Creek, ID

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:22am PT

OK!

Per a posteur I respect:

Fuk it.

This thread IS supertopo.

Argue on.

I won't be among you.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:45am PT

Is this thread still here?

Is Rong still here?

Yep, apparently so.

With his mail disabled.

Chickenshit no-account f*#kwad.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

extraordinaire

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:02am PT

I pre-delete alot of my stuff cuz the idiots can't digest it.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:23am PT

Coz, you mean some of these as#@&%es pollute serious threads? That's pretty lame.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:35am PT

I honestly don't know. I skim some threads, usually get bored with the topic by the first or second post, and then move on. I know what threads to post on when I'm feeling like a dick and have convinced myself that I rarely deviate from that pattern. I could be wrong... but that would be a first.

Gal

Trad climber

going big air to fakie

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:00am PT

For the most part, this thread has been one big sausagefest ~just a funny observation ;-)

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:48am PT

Coz, if you had observed the kind of low-down chickenshit rat behavior that Rong pulled, you'd kick his sorry hillbilly arse yourself.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 19, 2014 - 11:18am PT

Well, I haven't seen any behavior, like you describe from Ron, in fact, all I see is you guys flogging him because he's a little right of moderate.

Well Coz, like the Rock Man said in Neilson's Me an my Arrow - "We sees what we want to see and we hears what we want to hear".
Or something like that.
Everyone here in the StupidTorpor archipelago is responsible for their own being here.
The good the bad and the ugly. Each of us have created our own space by our own choice.

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:06pm PT

Coz

It's not his politics...who cares?

It's the insidious manner with which he mucks up every thread with his usual thread-drifting/killing bullsh#t.

Not that he's alone in this, but he's by far the most prolific. And he has a lot of people here trained to respond to him negatively.

I don't have anything against his beliefs, just wish he'd show some goddamn restraint once in awhile.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:25pm PT

Ron,

Despite Dingy's desire to frame you as someone who needs to improve your attitude, the rest of us have seen you act appropriately for quite some time.

You have nothing to be sorry for at all.

Your climbing info and the other info you provide is a wonderful gift to the rest of us.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:35pm PT

I really don't care what Rong's views are- there are plenty of people here who have diverging ideologies, and I enjoy perseverating banter with almost all of them. fattrad was one of my favorites, that way- I had great appreciation for the way he maintained such a steady demeanor while constantly being slammed from other directions.

And truthfully, I had the same admiration about Rong for quite some time- in spite of his carefully crafted hillbilly communication style (which is a ruse, btw...he has demonstrated elsewhere an actual ability to spell & compose sentences very well), he took the regular slams just fine, and came back again and again.

Where everything turned was when he openly admitted his role in reporting hedge for the use of bullwinkle's images in another thread. (If you remember, hedge slammed Rong six ways to Tuesday, each and every day, for GawdKnowsHowLong.) That was an amazing display of downright lowlifery...in my book, the 'code' of ST polititard FightClub is that you accept that things are gonna get messy, but you don't hit below the belt. And Rong did exactly that.

Not just be a rat, mind you...but brazenly admit it, and play it up (and apparently has already done so on someone else). Others may just brush this kind of sliminess aside (or not even be aware of it), but I won't forget it.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:37pm PT

Right... I've never seen conservatives calling girls sluts and telling them they are going to hell because of the clothes they wear and/or because they don't follow a 10,000 year fairytale.

I forget who calls gays an "abomination" and fight to ensure they don't get the right to marry the person they love... but I'm sure it wasn't conservatives... they are above that sort of thing... totally open-minded, openhearted, kind folks.

I'm sure it wasn't conservatives who have been refusing to reach a compromise with the POTUS because he is (gasp) a liberal.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:45pm PT

Ron, I've never heard you say anything at all. I've never spoken with you. But I have seen you type some pretty vial sh#t... sh#t which only comes from a narrow conservative view of the world... which I usually ignore unless you are making a cesspool of reality and distorting the facts.

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:47pm PT

I just think it is silly to lump "conservatives" into any statement. To me it is the same as saying all "blacks" this or all "gays" that, all "conservatives" this or "hillbillies" that. Its all stupid....at least when it is serious. When it is a joke I will laugh my ass off. And sorry Ron, I get tired of everyone ganging up on you, but they do say some funny sh#t.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 12:55pm PT

The worst of the conservatives are hate mongering as#@&%es determined to force their ancient fairytales and outdated moral on others while denying the validity of the system that makes their modern lifestyle possible (science). They insist on laws that prevent marriage between two people in love because they find that kind of love gross. At the same time they insist on easy access to machines designed to efficiently kill a bunch of people in a short period of time because they think they are neat and men in wigs wrote about the importance of shooting their muskets hundreds of years ago.

The worst of liberals are lazy pot smoking wankers who camp out in parks and play drums, oppose war, want welfare (mostly for mothers and children), and think access to affordable social services is neat.

I find the left end of the spectrum far easier to tolerate.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:02pm PT

'advice'

'don't'

'your'

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:06pm PT

Ron Anderson
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2281467&tn=80

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH

Dec 1, 2013 - 09:12am PT
I never reported hedge for anything UNTIL he spat in the eye of Bullwinkle and his art work.

Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH

Dec 1, 2013 - 09:37am PT
As always there is a sub tribe. A few of those folks reported that thread as well. All for very good reason. But ill gladly take the credit.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:06pm PT

Whoever told about the wrongful use of Bullwinkle's photos did CMac a good thing.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:07pm PT

Plenty of liberal haters too.

I've been posting and lurking far less as this place has become a monumental waste of time.

In the past I donated to many of the causes here. But I gave over $700 to Tyrus Bachar and never got a thank you note, but at least he never attacked me here.
I gave $250 to philo and not only didn't he thank me, but he relentlessly insulted me on another thread but then deleted most.

What a moron!

Hey philo, deleting is not the same as keeping your pie hole shut. Do you have any idea of the chilling effect you have had on my willingness to donate to further causes? Of course you don't because it is all about YOU! I call it the "philo effect" THERE is the ugly!

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:10pm PT

My sincere advise: You dont wanna fry yur sausage in the nude.

we have found common ground, Ron!

let's do it again sometime?

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:17pm PT

That is the bigger issue Ron...."Washington". They have everyone so twisted up in knots and fighting against each other we cannot see the common enemy.

Forget if you are liberal or conservative for a minute and realize the republicans and democrats are totally f*#king us!

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:28pm PT

Stop hijacking so many threads and diverting every discussion into trying to 'educate' people.

I agree, Locker. The baby name sh#t gets tired. Ron's a swell guy, I'm sure, and his politics are not at all unpopular or fringe. Ron, you gotta just... chill. Especially in accident threads :P

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:35pm PT

It would be a helluva lot easier to regard someone by their proper name if they engaged others with integrity themselves, donchathink?

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:44pm PT

Man, for a bunch of dudes who hold high the concept of style and ethics in climbing, that seems to pretty much evaporate when it comes to simple human integrity. Lame.

Edit:
"If Ron sticks to his higher path? He wins!"

And if he rolls down into the gutter of the low road, he's a loser.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:52pm PT

Ballcupper.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:54pm PT

Coz, for an old guy who has been around for so long, you sure do lack reading comprehension skills. You are the one guilty of the original lumping of "conservatives" and "liberals" a few post before mine. I guess it is fine for you to do because you are an elite climber?

Liberals hate conservative and want to spit in their face...

-CozHerringGrove

Did you miss the first words of MY post?

"The worst of the conservatives are..."

Not only is my post a red herring... it is a red herring marinated in full disclosure and grilled to perfection, served with a mustard dill sauce to help facilitate the cutting of any shrubbery you see fit.

(sketch, same applies to you)

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:59pm PT

"...and less accepting of the truly shitty behavior."

+1

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 19, 2014 - 01:59pm PT

this thread fades in and out of pukiness constantly

feels like the twilight zone or something

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:07pm PT

'heroes'

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:25pm PT

Do you know what 'obsequious' means, Rong?

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:42pm PT

Ron always takes the high road and isn't the first to be insulting or overtly offensive. I think he deserves the same honors when you talk to him, I hopefully don't come off as too much of a prick, though I vehemently disagree with a lot of his processes I respect him as a person.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:43pm PT

What's the opposite of obsequious, because I don't give a fuk what anyone climbed or when... as long as they had fun doing it. And I certainly don't think emulating their accomplishments makes me any better of a person... I got over than by the time I was 15. For me, as soon as anyone's accomplishment gets elevated to anything beyond a good time on a cool chunk of rock it becomes another trite stroke fest. There are very few exceptions whose character transcends the spray they generate (AH and JB being obvious examples)... they are the Rodney Mullens of climbing.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:46pm PT

Well, GD, you might have a different impression of that if you hung out at the polititard threads on a regular basis- who 'starts it' is a pretty pointless chicken & egg argument, but Rong's ad hominems are just about as stoooopid as the rest of us.

That's just the way ST polititard Fight Club works.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:48pm PT

Ahaha, well I have a little 9volt battery jolt me when I mouse over those threads... :)

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:49pm PT

"SUPERTOPO - Old dried-up morons that don't get laid argue with each other 2.0"

I may be an old,dried-up moron, but my wife is beautiful, intelligent and still loves me even though I don't deserve it.

;)

John

Banks

Trad climber

Santa Monica, CA

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:54pm PT

Ron always takes the high road and isn't the first to be insulting or overtly offensive.

This is simply not true. One example. He has used many different names for our President, none of which are his rightful name. Whether you voted for him or not, he is still our President and should be recognized properly. I didn't vote for, nor did I like President Bush, but I refered to him as President Bush. Maybe if Ron started addressing the President as President Obama, others will stop calling him Rong.

Big Mike

Trad climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:56pm PT

Hey A Poo.

Your "I hate Ron" record ia getting really old.

How about a new one maybe??

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:56pm PT

Making fun of Politicians, rather than each other, would seem to me to be the better reaction....

That is the high road. And, it can be funny as hell.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 02:56pm PT

Nah, Locker. Not even close to a meltdown. Just persistent.

And in at least one respect, that ST definition definitely does not apply to me...

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:03pm PT

That tide already turned, Locker.

There's a great tendency to just gloss right past slimy sh#t here at ST, esp. if the protagonist ballcups jusssst the right people. Bleh.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:08pm PT

haha... nice to see umbrellacam back again to help defend Ron. Oh wait, 2 posts total... both in Ron's thread... with a familiar writing style... hmmm.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:09pm PT

Yeah hey, Ron... i can often get out after work for a couple hours if you like the sewer crag or washoe boulders. I know it aint exciting, but then around here ya dont get much kudos unless you send 14s or its an injury comeback tour. 5.3d just doesnt seem to enthrall the masses, ya know?

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:19pm PT

ha! umbrella cam? i do have a gopro...
um, offer extends to anyone else around carson. just beware i stick to easy choss.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:20pm PT

odd, I rarely stick to choss, even if the climbing is easy

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:25pm PT

Quality of Character, Thoughtfulness, etc are at an all-time low here, in my estimation.

Posted by an anonymous individual who has been here since today,

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:26pm PT

if you're bothered by what I said...

You give yourself far too much credit.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:29pm PT

oh. umbrella cam. duh.
think i,ll drag along some pins. maybe a hex or three.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 19, 2014 - 03:37pm PT

brass nuts? they make those?

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Feb 19, 2014 - 04:00pm PT

I'm going with Mechrist and Werner, I have plenty of self-confidence due to good looks and being highly intelligent. Say what you want, but don't mail me anything.

jonnyrig

Trad climber

formerly known as hillrat

Feb 19, 2014 - 04:02pm PT

well damn. thought maybe i could just borrow a set. oh well.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 04:13pm PT

I'd rather have land stewards who know basic science than ones who know antiquated names of obscure areas.

The fact that you equate FS employees moving around so much with "the" consent decree (presumably No.C-73-1110-SC) is absurdly sexist and fuking idiotic.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Feb 19, 2014 - 04:23pm PT

Rock removal also has nothing to do with "the" consent decree. And the plan was not spawned by the FS, it was spawned by the GUY who wanted a permit to collect rocks for his landscaping (?) business... probably a good ol redneck who is now pissed off at Obama for foiling his plans.

Pristine? hahahahahaaaaaaa... clueless much?

Banks

Trad climber

Santa Monica, CA

Feb 19, 2014 - 05:05pm PT

Ron, Care to address my post?

WBraun

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 05:13pm PT

When the man who represents "The President of the United States" becomes criminal then he's no longer "the president" and not worthy of respect.

"The President of the United States" is a consciousness.

The man who takes that office must uphold that consciousness and not become part of the criminal cable.

He's "Commander in Chief" yet he does not stand up to the criminals in our own govt and country.

He lets those criminals run the office of President and the govt.

Wake up stupid Americans .....

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 19, 2014 - 05:25pm PT

I have exceedingly strong disagreements with the actions of President Obama, but he's still the President of the United States and, since I'm an American citizen, my president. While I understand name-calling of public officials from both the left and right (how many references to plants did posters make regarding President George W. Bush?), it generally makes for poor advocacy.

In a way, what Ron proposes in his initial post is really just one of the principals of advocacy, namely, using rhetoric that will cause readers to choose to read your post, rather than reflexively to disregard it. That one rhetorical change will do wonders to turn a thread from a hate-fest into a discussion of value.

John

weezy

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 05:33pm PT

jeleazarian, get out of here with your logic and fair-minded thinking.

this is a political thread now. and everyone knows that you win political arguments with slander and personal attacks.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 05:54pm PT

"...if you had 6 months to sift through Ron's colossal output of value-less drivel, you'd find enough hate festing to fill every restaurant dumpster in LA."

+ ad infinitum

A thread like this would have a LOT more credibility if it came from someone who has some level of integrity themself, a demonstrated ability to consider differing opinions & counter with articulate, respectful comments, and who didn't have a narcissistic character that demands constant Lois-like attention.

Stick around, JE. Rong needs all the role models he can get.

weezy

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 06:03pm PT

you all are a bunch of stupid poopy heads.

every damn last one o ya.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 19, 2014 - 06:57pm PT

^^^
C'mon now...d#@&%e nozzles are useful and have a purpose.

I keed, I keed.

weezy

climber

Feb 19, 2014 - 07:00pm PT

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAhahahaaaaaaa... Just collected yet another five smackaroos from a buddy that dropped by..

The bet: a certain poster would show here within minutes of my posting. chaching..It only took about 4:30 seconds.. Buwwwahahjahahajaajaaaaaa...

ron: hay cletus, come check this out this guys stalkin me on the innernet you wanna put five on it?

cletus: gaddamit ron, ain't my raccoon done yet? i tole you to have that thing finished by tuesday here it is f*#kin wednesday already

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 07:02pm PT

ron: It'll be dun whin I pry its arse from my tiny little pecker! Now git!

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 07:17pm PT

Heh!

Stewart Johnson

climber

lake forest

Feb 19, 2014 - 07:25pm PT

Stopped posting (almost)due to the
Bittermen here .
Come into a thread
Aboot 200 posts and it's the same
Character assasinations running the thread
Regardless of subject .
Pretty much over it unless I happen to get
Up something .
I'll let u know !

bloody wankers ha!
Superturd could be saved by climbing.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 19, 2014 - 07:37pm PT

Demencia_Anciano = Pelut, sin duda.

Gilroy

Social climber

Bolderado

Feb 19, 2014 - 08:24pm PT

Anyone with much time on this site can look at this thread title and the OP's name and easily conclude what a sh#t show this is going to be. Nonetheless, a quick survey of the first 30 threads on the front page shows the majority are on-topic climbing threads. So don't click on this thread if you don't care for the pedantic and personality-driven vitriol.

Stewart Johnson, I'm talking to you. Go climb something no matter how trivial and post a TR. (By the way: THANK YOU Tvash!) It doesn't have to be the Fitzroy traverse though if it's not coz may not read it because, you know, we are not the elites but a lot of folks here will love a fun-filled TR no matter how prosaic the route. Git some!

Climb high and come down slow,
Keith

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 19, 2014 - 09:11pm PT

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Feb 19, 2014 - 09:14pm PT

this has become my all time favorite thread

thanks for getting it out there, Ron

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujo de la Playa

Feb 19, 2014 - 10:52pm PT

Gunpowder, black powder

Chumps

Just who is the major enemY here?

[Click to View YouTube Video]

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:34am PT

Hey philo, deleting is not the same as keeping your pie hole shut. Do you have any idea of the chilling effect you have had on my willingness to donate to further causes? Of course you don't because it is all about YOU! I call it the "philo effect" THERE is the ugly!

Now that is classy TokerVillian. Last night after work I sent a response to your pithy email. Cat got your keyboard?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:47am PT

I guess you DON'T have any idea.

Does anybody want me to post the long rambling "woe is me" that philo calls an apology?

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:56am PT

Me I do I do. Please scintillate us with your exhaustive travails and blind insights. Oh and tell us all again just how many dollars you gave who. Your generosity should be trumpeted. Even if you have to do it yourself.

Ron It was an explanation and not a specific apology for your self perceived slights and insults.
Post it all up Ron including your ugly little rantings. I tried to take the high road in contacting you personally but you apparently required I prostrate myself to your reality.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:00am PT

Still don't get it, do you?

How many "ugly little rantings" did you delete?

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:04am PT

Definite degrade quality of forum like talk of old person who has lost mind

I think you're onto something here.

Or maybe these people have just been in captivity so long they've formed their own language.

Probably a little of both.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:17am PT

How man "ugly little rantings" did you delete?

I don't know Ron. Certainly many fewer than you are imagining. I don't recall having had a deletion fest. Maybe this is a case of mistaken identity. Why don't you take your time to tell us? I have to get to work and find this whole thing pedantic and counter productive.

To Ron Olevsky THANK YOU FOR THE MAGNANIMOUS $250 YOU SQUANDER TO SAVE MY WORTHLESS LIFE AND HELP ME GET BACK TO WORK.

and

I AM SORRY MY VIEWS ON GUN VIOLENCE HAVE HURT YOUR FEELINGS.

Ill send you a check next month or does it need to be cash?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:25am PT

Real classy philo.

Next time somebody appeals for a donation I should link 'em to your comments.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:27am PT

Don't see no vitriol.

Somebody show me to the vitriol bar.

--Jerome

Well, everyday I work
Bringin' home my pay
Come to find out, baby
Youve given my money away

[Click to View YouTube Video]

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:35am PT

Well look back man you choose this wormfest. Why, what's really the matter? Do you need to talk?
I tried to talk to you directly outside the forum. I believed I explained the happenstance of the last two years clearly and dispassionately. And I got this;

Does anybody want me to post the long rambling "woe is me" that philo calls an apology?

You kept taunting and baiting me trying to get a reaction. So here is your reaction. What more do you want or need? What is your end goal of this confrontation?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:39am PT

Still can't own your error, can you?

Like I said, this behavior has a chilling effect.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:43am PT

Elucidate my "error" and enlighten me please.

No one asked you specifically or forced you directly to give of the kindness of your heart.
It's called Charity and it is a Human quality that many engage in when and where they can.

You are entangling two separate and very different issues. Why? Do you feel that having been charitable towards me somehow meant that I had an obligation to not speak my mind on issues you hold dear? Does $250 in charity indenture me to silence? Honestly Ron I do not recall having made any posts directly disparaging you. Nor did I post up a slew of Ron hate then slyly delete them all to hide in the shadows. That's not my way. I stand by what I say.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:51am PT

Philo u know better look what you did to the medusa thread!¿!

Do you think I'm gonna have any respect to my elder philo after all that u have done!

You must think people are stupid. :/

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:53am PT

Instead of thanking me for my check you posted more than a dozen vile ad hominem insults, obviously easy for you to delete and forget.

And you still haven't owned how this behavior reverberates to other people in need.

kennyt

Trad climber

Oregon

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:54am PT

If you send me a check I'll thank you.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:58am PT

Way different story there Pyro. Medussa deserved the onslaught that I and other hurled at him. He stepped way over the line and everyone knows it. Yes I can be a rabid bear when going after someone but that is not the case here what so ever. Ron Olevsky is a good dude who has I believe misconstrued me with another poster. It happens Im sure confusing one tree hugging, gun control advocating liberal with another is easy to do. Lord knows I often confused Skipt and Bluering. But I do think this is a tempest in a tea cup and misdirected.

And Ron reverberate or chill or what the fuc ever man. Those are personal choices and not my responsibility. Why you think it should be escapes me. I would venture that more people were impacted positively by seeing me (like I was for Big Mike and others) recover from dire straights than were impacted negatively by my insufficient thank youing or caustic political posts.

I'm now late and done.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:01am PT

Pray tell, whom did I confuse you with?

Neither of them start with p and end with o.

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:10am PT

Philo. Lead by example taco crew needs it.

My medusa thread had nothing to do with ur hangups!

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 12:53pm PT

This website is so shockingly weird. What an akward situation between you two.

What the f*#k is wrong with ST members? You guys are completely f*#king mental.

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:14pm PT

No WE are not. Only one of us is going off the deep end.

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:25pm PT

No it isn't climbers, it is an internet website addiction.

You all need to get outside and relax.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:40pm PT

In an effort to upgrade the entertainment value of this thread, I make the following modest proposal:

We should rate each insult for literary and intellectual value on a one (worst) to ten (best) scale. Since I always claim climbing ratings are meaningless without standard climbs to which they apply, I offer two extreme examples:

one: "F*** you!"

ten: "You have Van Gogh's ear for music" [Adapted from Billy Wilder)

As additional guidance:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1899218/Classy-All-Purpose-Insults-OT

John

klk

Trad climber

cali

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:41pm PT

st pretty much reflects the climbing scene i remember form california in the 80s.

it's just that now everyone is old and puts all that crap into writing.

and i dont think think valium would do much good. pretty sure this is a thorazine crowd.

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:45pm PT

No it isn't climbers, it is an internet website addiction.

this

Locker you of all people need to get outside (and relax)

Those fumes are making you post constant nonsensical (though meticulously formatted) ramblings

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:46pm PT

Hmm silly me to think the vast majority of people on this website likes to get outside.

I clicked on your name locker and see 41,000+ posts. Your response now makes total sense.

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:51pm PT

Feb 20, 2014 - 10:40am PT
In an effort to upgrade the entertainment value of this thread, I make the following modest proposal:

We should rate each insult for literary and intellectual value on a one (worst) to ten (best) scale. Since I always claim climbing ratings are meaningless without standard climbs to which they apply, I offer two extreme examples:

one: "F*** you!"

ten: "You have Van Gogh's ear for music" [Adapted from Billy Wilder)

As additional guidance:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1899218/Classy-All-Purpose-Insults-OT

John

Mr. John Eleazarian's lack of professional ethics has become so flagrant that it merits your complete attention. Here's the story: I wish I didn't have to be the one to break the news that behind John's mask of benevolence stands a complete plan for world government, world power, world conquest, and the promotion of pouty neopaganism. Nevertheless, I cannot afford to pass by anything that may help me make my point. So let me just state that I cannot believe how many actual, physical, breathing, thinking people have fallen for John's subterfuge. I'm absolutely stunned.

Many members of John's den of thieves believe that elected national governments are not accountable to their own people. Even worse, almost all of John's bedfellows believe that the average working-class person can't see through John's chicanery. (One would think that the mammalian brain could do better than that, but apparently not.) My point is that John is trying to crush people to the earth and then claim the right to trample on them forever because they are prostrate. His mission? To make us too confused, demoralized, and disunited to put up an effective opposition to his strictures. If we fail in our task of opposing him and all he stands for, then John will push the State towards greater influence, self-preservation, and totalitarianism and away from civic engagement, constituent choice, and independent thought. He should hide his head in shame before the judgment of future generations, whose tongue it will no longer be possible to stop and which, therefore, will say what today all of us know to be true: His lapdogs are the worst that humanity has to offer. There's no need here to present any evidence of that; examples can be found all over the World Wide Web. In fact, a simple search will quickly reveal that if it were true, as John claims, that if he kicks us in the teeth we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick, then I wouldn't be saying that John, with his craftiness and scabrous bait-and-switch tactics, will entirely control our country's exuberant riches sometime soon. John will then use those riches to organize a whispering campaign against me. The moral of this story is that his policy of taking a condescending cheap shot at a person whom most pigheaded inerudite-types will never be in a position to condescend to must not go unchallenged. To leave it unchallenged is to condone John's grandiose plans for world hegemony, plans in which no one is free to say that it would not be out of character for John to declare a national emergency, round up everyone who disagrees with him, and put them in concentration camps. Once we realize that, what do we do? The appropriate thing, in my judgment, is to expose John's malversation. I say that because he used to be a major proponent of paternalism. Nowadays, John is putting all of his support behind moral relativism. As they say, plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Our battle with John is a battle between spiritualism and feudalism, between tradition and subversion, between the defenders of Western civilization and its enemies. With the battle lines drawn as such, it is abundantly clear that we should improve the lot of humankind. (Goodness knows, our elected officials aren't going to.) I never intend to offend anyone, John included. Alas, the following statement may upset a few people: John habitually reads negative meanings into innocuous remarks. Some people squirm a bit when they they read things like that, but such statements are the key to explaining why John wants to prohibit any discussion of her attempts to exploit the masses. While it is clear why he wants that to be a taboo subject, John has been trying to popularize the narrative that children don't need as much psychological attentiveness, protection, and obedience training as the treasured household pet. My fear is that if he's successful at promoting such cockamamy notions then even the man on the Clapham omnibus may agree to let him dismantle the family unit.

John is perfectly willing to show his embarrassingly poor reasoning and warped ethics in print. People have commented that there may be a gap in my logic there. I don't think there is, and I've gone to great pains to explain why.

There are two observations that one can make here. The first is that John expresses hostile odium toward anyone who intends to wake people out of their stupor and call on them to inculcate in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that John's drones, who are legion, take for granted. The second observation is that anyone who has spent any amount of time doing his homework knows that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, would have expected John at least to listen to my side of the story. These shards of empirical evidence suggest that he insists that he has no choice but to put increased disruptive powers in the hands of barbaric ochlocrats. His reasoning is that depraved scatterbrains make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. Yes, I realize that that argument makes no sense, but John would have us destabilize society. May God, in his restraining mercy, forbid that we should ever do this most flagitious and conceited thing! My life's work is to kick butt and take names. But even if we disregard all that and examine only John's dimwitted scare tactics, this seems to me to be enough to show that John should surely heed Cicero's advice, “Appetitus rationi pareat.” (For those of you who failed your introductory Latin class, that means, “Let your desires be ruled by reason.”)

I decidedly don't know what John's problem is, but his premise (that conspiring with evil is essential for the safety and welfare of the public) is his morality disguised as pretended neutrality. John uses this disguised morality to support his epithets, thereby making his argument self-refuting. Perhaps John should practice what he preaches, but remember that he claims that he is able to abrogate the natural order of effects flowing from causes. Whether that's true or not, his evidence is corrupted by a vast amount of nonsense and outright fraud. Before we can further discuss John's claim we must acknowledge that John has, at times, called me “treacherous” or “rummy”. Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to attack everyone else's beliefs. He is not just scurrilous; he's malevolent, too.

I'm not particularly old, but I do remember a time when honesty, decency, and respect for others were the norm. Nowadays, thanks to John's ignominious pleas, people everywhere live in fear that feebleminded warlords will cause this country to flounder on the shoals of self-interest, corruption, and chaos. Even worse, many people are being prevented from knowing that John wants nothing less than to “solve” all our problems by talking them to death, hence his repeated, almost hypnotic, insistence on the importance of his randy, egocentric snow jobs. One could imagine that some good might come from letting him marginalize me based on my gender, race, or religion. But the only one whose imagination is vivid enough is John.

This is a transparent attempt to prevent people from thinking and visualizing beyond an increasingly psychologically caged existence. This means, in particular, that John claims to have turned over a new leaf shortly after getting caught trying to woo over impertinent uninformed-types by using tactics such as scapegoating, reductionist and simplistic solutions, demagoguery, and a conspiracy theory of history. This claim is an outright lie that is still being circulated by John's loyalists. The truth is that if John wants to block streets and traffic to the extent that ambulances can't get through, let him wear the opprobrium of that decision.

I, hardheaded cynic that I am, have taken the liberty of letting John know that I have no intention to cut and run even if he were to make me the target of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of attacks. Rather, I will stand my ground and punish him for his mean-spirited sentiments. Whether or not I'm successful, John says that everyone would be a lot safer if he were to monitor all of our personal communications and financial transactions—even our library records. Why on Earth does John need to monitor our library records? That's the big question. If you knew the answer to that then you'd also know why John argues that the more strepitant the communication, the more perspicuous the message. I wish I could suggest some incontrovertible chain of apodictic reasoning that would overcome this argument, but the best I can do is the following: I recently received some mail in which the writer stated, “The most pharisaical wantwits you'll ever see are burdened with the preconceived ideas or feeble understanding of the circles to which they previously belonged both politically and philosophically.” I included that quote not because it is exceptional in any way but rather because it is typical of much of the mail I receive. I included it to show you that I'm not the only one who thinks that if John wants to be taken seriously, he should counter the arguments in this letter with facts, not illogical panaceas, personal anecdotes, or insults.

Today, as yesterday, I fully intend to make this world a better place in which to live. When people ask me, “What can I do to help?”, I always suggest that they oppugn his insufferable threats. Such actions are moral in the true sense of the word. Furthermore, they help people see that I don't know what makes John think that his band consists entirely of lovable, cuddly people who would never dream of manipulating the public like a puppet dangling from strings. Maybe he's been sipping cuckoo juice. The fact of the matter is that we and John unequivocally need to call a truce on our arguments over tuchungism. Unfortunately, John will refuse to accept any such truce, as his whole raison d'être is to promote tuchungism in all its intrusive forms. To end on a more positive note: Some of Mr. John Eleazarian's statements raise important questions about future social interactions and their relationship to civil liberties.

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 01:53pm PT

So there!

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:00pm PT

I think that's worth at least a 9.5, dirtbag. I can't make it a ten, because I need to leave a little room at the top.

John

The Larry

climber

Moab, UT

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:00pm PT

I wish I could go outside, but if the chopper ain't flyin' we aren't workin'. So here I sit in a work truck being entertained by all of you. Keep it real taconians.

What I find sad (actually funny) is people posting up how sad these threads are and that you people need to get outside, yet they are reading and posting to these threads and are not outside.

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:01pm PT

Thanks for the hint Locker, I wrote it down to keep in my pocket so I can look at it later to remind myself that you are super hardcore and dont give a f*#k!

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:02pm PT

Fluffy now THINKS he's also "in the know"...

I know you're taking this pretty seriously...

...for a professional sh!t talker!!

LMAO

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:03pm PT

Hey Locker.

ITHiNk you need to lay off the dope dude. You're paranoid that everyone thinks they know everything about you.

Cough, cough

:-)

The Larry

climber

Moab, UT

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:05pm PT

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Hey Locker.

ITHiNk you need to lay off the dope dude. You're paranoid that everyone thinks they know everything about you.

Cough, cough

:-)

I agree. Send it to me. I need some.

Psilocyborg

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:12pm PT

umbrella: Actually I am about to go to bed....working the night shift. I wish I could be in the mountains right now, and I would much rather be than posting to this website.

I got to say though as f*#ked up, sad, and pathetic as some of the threads on this website are, the content is really amazing and better than any book or television show.

The Larry

climber

Moab, UT

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:13pm PT

This thread needs some pictures.

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:22pm PT

Fatty!!!!

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:32pm PT

For fatty:

fluffy

Trad climber

Colorado

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:33pm PT

Same here Locker

All in good fun

But I fear there are some people here who truly hate each other...kinda sad

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 20, 2014 - 02:35pm PT

So I had to go do some actual work for a while, maybe someone can bring me up to speed:

Are we still having trust fund babies whining about not getting their balls cupped enough when they perform charity?

The way I was raised, charity was something done for someone else, not for your own ego aggrandizement.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

extraordinaire

Feb 20, 2014 - 03:10pm PT

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 20, 2014 - 03:20pm PT

Just got back inside for lunch. Sad indeed.

Ask donini, or jello or a dozen other people if they think I was trumpeting over such small potatoes.

I was making a comparison between a silent beneficiary and an ingrate with digital Turrets who thinks not of others.
And not enjoying your balls being kicked is hardly the same as wanting them cupped.

I'm whining? Were it not grossly rude I'd post the bucket of tears that poured out of my inbox into this morning's coffee.

I believe the Yiddish word is tsoras. It sort of sounds, appropriately, like "sore ass".

Paul Martzen

Trad climber

Fresno

Feb 20, 2014 - 03:27pm PT

Happy birthday, Rat.

Paul Martzen

Trad climber

Fresno

Feb 20, 2014 - 03:32pm PT

It is nice when people say thank you. Otherwise you have no idea if your efforts were of any benefit. I think I am pretty good saying thank you in person, but horrible at writing notes. Gotta work on that. I like it when I get a thank you note. I want to give other people that same pleasure.

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 20, 2014 - 03:54pm PT

Happy birthday, Pacifico! Hope it's a most excellent one.

John

LilaBiene

Trad climber

Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:04pm PT

wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:17pm PT

Well Said^^^^^^.

the albatross

Gym climber

Flagstaff

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:28pm PT

I haven't followed this whole thread, but would like to make a comment in support of Ron Olevsky.

I was fortunate to befriend Layton Kor during the last few painful years of his life. Though I consider the experience a great treasure, it wasn't always easy listening to Layton, knowing the tremendous suffering he was living. Anyway, through Layton I came to know Ron whom Layton considered among his closest friends. Ron arranged for a number of camp out / gatherings for climbers of like mind to hang out with Layton. As well, Ron orchestrated countless fund raisers and charity drives for his friend Layton Kor and has continued to support his widow and son. I've no idea how much Ron raised for the Kor family and it doesn't really matter, but I would guess it to be in the $10-20,000 range, perhaps more.

The point I'm trying to make is that Ron O is a concerned, caring man and those of you trolls throwing darts may want to find a different target for your frustrations,fears and angers.

Albert

LilaBiene

Trad climber

Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:50pm PT

Agreed, Albert.

Not for nothing, but Jello's current uphill battle is surely taking its toll on Ron O., as well.

Ron was one of the very first people to reach out to me on a human level when I first posted to this forum. He's answered my doubtless mind-numbingly stupid, unending questions about climbing with the patience and care of a saint and mentor. He's listened with heart when my heart was breaking. I'll never forget his generosity of spirit, or time.

Ron is indeed a good man.

My point? Think before spewing garbage that doesn't make the world a better place. There's already enough hate in this world. The time we all have on this planet is limited -- why not do something good with what we have left?

"He who forgives ends the quarrel."

the albatross

Gym climber

Flagstaff

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:57pm PT

Well said. I should have mentioned Jeff Lowe as well, to whom Ron has been a dear and trusted friend.

I also forgot to mention that Ron has been one of the foremost and leading advocates of desert rock conservation for several decades. The word "conservation" is not in the vocabulary of most climbers today, but I've no doubt that years down the road many persons will look at Ron as a visionary in this regard (hopefully before it is too late).

The Larry

climber

Moab, UT

Feb 20, 2014 - 08:58pm PT

Yeah. Ron O is a solid dude with a big heart. I only met him once concerning a fundraiser for Layton. Plus he bought me a beer. Cheers Ron!

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:11pm PT

Dirtbag, Holley crap brother, you can write.

Pssst...

Cosgrove...

Dirty little secret...

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:14pm PT

Philo, I know Medusa, Crimpy and Al Dude,

Yes, clearly, what Jeff wrote was way, way over the top, and you have every right to be super pissed.

Having said that, Jeff lacks a few filters, but is the salt of the earth and would give you the shirt of his back, really. I'd say let it go... or go to Culver City and get into with him in person. I'm sure he would apologize and/or give you the real story.

But, please spare us anymore drivel....

Coz, to be clear I was not the one to bring Medussa into this thread. He was brought in by another poster who used it as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at me. To be honest Medussa dropped off my radar over a year ago. I don't care one way or another about him. So please don't drivel down my backside. I am glad you recognized the aberrance of his actions and think it's swell that you can accept that and still see his other, better qualities.

To be fair, I never said Ron O was not all those wonderful things mentioned about him above.
I think he is one hell of a guy. I honestly do not remember nor believe that I attacked Ron O personally I do think he misinterpreted my posts on the gun threads and took personally what was not intended to be personal. It is specious of him to accuse me of such and have no proof to back it up. Claiming I deleted all the posts is not proof of what he says or how he interpreted them.So Y'all can think what you want but I feel like I have been the one attacked and not the one attacking. I am really sorry this Good Bad and Ugly mess got blathered on the forum I sent Ron O a pm as soon as I could respond to his goading. it was reasonable and forthright. I'd post it here if any one wanted to see it but doubt the value to the forum. So anyone wanting to read my supposedly "woe is me" email pm me and I will forward it.

That's all I've got to say about this worm pie.
And Ron O I am sorry you are so upset. And thanks for your generosity I will be sure to pay it forward as well as back..

the albatross

Gym climber

Flagstaff

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:29pm PT

Ron A, interesting that you brought up Josey Wales. While you were typing that I was on the phone asking a friend if he wanted to meet up in the ghost town of Pahreah where the second half of the movie was filmed...

pyro

Big Wall climber

Calabasas

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:30pm PT

Philo I do love your art work!

Da_Dweeb

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:34pm PT

ITT:

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 20, 2014 - 09:35pm PT

"Dirtbag, Holley crap brother, you can write."

'Holy'

Da_Dweeb

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:06pm PT

If you let go of finding someone else the villain in your own internal political narrative, it's possible to see they aren't so bad or different than you in walking through life.

That there is some powerful stuff, Jim.

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:08pm PT

Hey Dirtbag,

I like what Eleazarian posts. He is erudite and humble without finding both virtues in conflict. (duh, in the modern vernacular) If an opinion you don't like is so troublesome, offer an alternative without rancour.

John E. has freely put to words his personal fall concerning his internal fight with depression and anxiety. That takes personal guts and courage. There is no public value in this, other than offering some hope and resolve to people here on ST who would like to be free if only their personal demons wouldn't hold sway.

Does this resonate with what you struggle with ?

If you let go of finding someone else the villain in your own internal political narrative, it's possible to see they aren't so bad or different than you in walking through life.

Fer chrissake Jim, lighten up. It was a joke post created by a random rant generator.

John M

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:16pm PT

come on Jim. It was a joke. JohnE made a joke post and dirtbag responded. I thought it was funny. I thought both JohnE's and Dirtbags post were funny.

dirtbag

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:20pm PT

Thank you John M.

Da_Dweeb

climber

Feb 20, 2014 - 11:25pm PT

I still like his quote

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:54am PT

"You're just boring with your same old need to show people how smart you are..."

Can someone remind who we are talking about again...?

Anyway....

I like what John E & dirtbag post. Some of the best stuff ST has to offer.

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 21, 2014 - 01:56am PT

It's good to see everyone playing their positions.

ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber

extraordinaire

Feb 21, 2014 - 02:57am PT

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JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

Feb 21, 2014 - 03:13am PT

Jim, thanks for the kind words, but dirtbag's post was a satirical response to a modest proposal of mine upthread, and I understood it as such. If anything, I was flattered that he bothered to roast me.

John

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 21, 2014 - 10:13am PT

Claiming I deleted all the posts is not proof

pfffft

Does philo remind anyone of the little boy covered in crumbs who has no idea what happened to the cookies.

Gee philo, just because I didn't obsess over it, and immediately and repeatedly file away copies of your spew, is a piss poor denial on your part.
I'm tempted to ask Cmac if he can dredge up your deletions.

Can't you own up to forgetting how your diatribe can have negative impact on the plight of others before you click on the "post this reply", or is that just another facet of the "digital alsheimer's" that goes so conveniently hand in hand with "digital turret's".

I never asked you to send the money back to me, but if you feel that doing so absolves you of your selfishness (and to be absolutely clear, it doesn't), then how about taking the quarter grand I gave you and matching it, and then collecting the half grand your lying friend in Vegas ran out on, and then send the full yard to me.

I will then post on the taco what person or good cause the thousand goes to.

That way we all lose (except of course the recipient).

How long is that gonna take you at seventeen cents a pop?

edit, and now a word from an anonymous coward who doesn't know squat about how I acquired a modest amount of wealth, where the 17 cent comment first appeared, where I've worked, or what the creed of my people is regarding community commitment,..

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 21, 2014 - 10:32am PT

Does philo remind anyone of the little boy covered in crumbs who has no idea what happened to the cookies.

No. But you remind me of an uncouth as#@&%e, living up to your moniker of Offsenski. Whining about someone not being deferential enough when you gave them a whopping one days worth of pay for most people...with the exception of trust fund whiners who didn't work for the money in the first place.

And then you're going to try to denigrate the work he does. That's WORK - Something you know f*#k-all about you spoiled brat little trusty as#@&%e.

A "chilling effect" oh my! If you are so wound up in needing your own little ego coddled, that you will pitch a temper tantrum of never donating to charity because the last recepient didn't fluff your nutz enough, you are a smaller man than I ever imagined possible...and being that you're an actual midget, that's saying something.

Just take one those endless firearms you're hoarding, stick it up your a*# and pull the trigger until it goes "click".

TwistedCrank

climber

Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho

Feb 21, 2014 - 10:44am PT

Is this thread for real? Or is everyone just trying to be funny?

dirtbag

climber

Feb 21, 2014 - 10:59am PT

Thanks John and Apogee!

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Feb 21, 2014 - 11:21am PT

I given to a number of people on this site...never needed a thank you. Giving is my thank you.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Feb 21, 2014 - 11:37am PT

Have you ever met somebody who is envious of another's wealth after losing most of his as a result of thinking with the little head?
And dontcha love people that accept any rumor that suits their purpose?

I bet I know who the coward is,..

lol

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Feb 21, 2014 - 11:43am PT

Toker...do you really think people are envious of you?

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 21, 2014 - 11:56am PT

^^^^^ someone joined supertopo just for this thread.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Feb 21, 2014 - 11:59am PT

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:01pm PT

Thanks umbrella cam. You should write some too instead of pickin scabs on this thread.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:18pm PT

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:23pm PT

" I think id rather see ALL THE ST "HEAT" being applied to me - rather than among the rest of you. "

How utterly noble of you.

Attention whore.

kennyt

Trad climber

Oregon

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:26pm PT

Man you guys need something serious to worry about.

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:47pm PT

lol for the jokes alone this is one of the best threads ever.

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Feb 21, 2014 - 12:57pm PT

It is better to receive than to give. For your portfolio, at least.

Are we still talking about ball cupping??

Hey you want to fight moose?

The Larry

climber

Moab, UT

Feb 21, 2014 - 02:02pm PT

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Feb 21, 2014 - 02:04pm PT

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 21, 2014 - 02:07pm PT

That's just fecking WRONG.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 19, 2014 - 01:44pm PT

Ron, whatever your source, you'd best be careful...at the very least, you just look like more of an as#@&%e, and that kinda shite has resulted in several noteworthy ST bannings.

Bannings...you know...like what you did for Hedge...

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Mar 19, 2014 - 01:52pm PT

I like the one from Dr F better......

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Mar 19, 2014 - 02:07pm PT

'John'

Your call, moron.

10...

9....

8...

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Mar 19, 2014 - 02:16pm PT

The Ron vs Apogee....err I mean John dispute has been coming to a head for awhile.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Mar 19, 2014 - 03:46pm PT

It's all about BAGGING RIGHTS, innit now?

It's way beyond good or bad, but only just approaching ugly.

Ron-John. I took a crap in one in Moundhouse last summer.