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hagerty
Social climber
A Sandy Area South of a Salty Lake
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Feb 17, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
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"... 100 destination climbing areas in the United States."
Central Park? Destination? Seriously?
The Bugaboos are hardly "just over the border".
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Feb 17, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
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Castle Rock State Park, CA
Whitehorse Ledge, NH
Crow Hill, MA
Purgatory Chasm, MA
Sandia Mountains, NM
Cabezon Peak, NM
Organ Mtns, NM
Seneca Rocks, WV
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Phantom Fugitive
Social climber
Misery
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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Hagerty-
touche' but just trying to show diversity and have labels all over the us, not just in the obvious spots. I doubt it will make the final list.
I got it, nobody wants anything mentioned in canada. moving on.
happieegrrl, cool link, thanks. I know that the information is out there in the world already as to where crags are. I don't make map art because people need it. I just enjoy it.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 17, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
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Fun idea.
P.S.: 'Tahquitz'
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Phantom Fugitive
Social climber
Misery
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
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Tami-
I started with "north america" then quickly realized that was a bit more than I wanted to deal with. I chose those three just because they are popular includes on big USA roadtrips. They have been struck from the list because people cant seem to see past that.
And yes, many slings and arrows. Send herbal remedies.
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Feb 17, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
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These are significant areas and worthy inclusions on a climber's map. There are many others in NC, and the bouldering in the areas around Boone and Grandfather Mtn. is also large. More info available on http://carolinaclimbers.org/.
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Phantom Fugitive
Social climber
Misery
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
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Sierra Ledge Rat- great, thanks. Some of those are in stand by list. Hadn't heard of purgatory chasm, but it sounds metaphorically metamorphic.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
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Pyro- yes, thanks. Stoney Point is on my maybe list.
what does it take to make the list?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
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Wait, why were Potrero and the Bugs in a map of the US!?!?! I don't understand because I didn't read the 10 separate posts where you explained it to people over and over again, drrrrrrr!!!
Kidding, but I think it's a great idea and look forward to the creation.
I love maps, especially when done by an artist
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Phantom Fugitive
Social climber
Misery
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
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pyro-
is one of these three things:
1. is a classic american destination
2. unique by description or location
3. fills a gap so that the locations are well distributed across the country
limpingcrab- thanks. The horse is drawing flies.
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redrocker
climber
NV
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Feb 17, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
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Maybe one label for Las Vegas area that reads: Red Rock/Mt Charleston.
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 10:33am PT
Tami-
I started with "north america" then quickly realized that was a bit more than I wanted to deal with. I chose those three just because they are popular includes on big USA roadtrips. They have been struck from the list because people cant seem to see past that.
And yes, many slings and arrows. Send herbal remedies.
It's good that you've asked for input and I'm sure you anticipated some "constructive" criticism.
But....it's still your project/vision so don't lose sight by trying to appease too many.
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Byran
climber
San Jose, CA
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Feb 17, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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Try keeping a consistent logic with how areas are lumped together. It doesn't make sense to have "Cascades" on the list while also listing a number of individual volcanoes in the range. And if you're going to include a destination as large (400 miles long) as "Sierra Alpine" then it doesn't make sense have listings for both Bishop Bouldering and the ORG, since they're like a 10 min drive from each other and share the same campground. Likewise, South Platte is just one "area", but Yosemite Valley and Tuolumne are two?
Aside from that, some destinations that I have driven quite a ways to visit are Trout Creek (OR), Darrington (WA), Sedona Spires (AZ), and Mt Shasta (CA). Other areas that I haven't been to but are famous enough that I've heard a lot about them include Maple Canyon, Whitesides, Stone Mnt, Linville Gorge, and Laurel Knob.
Areas which I would maybe strike from the list are Socorro Box, Mt Woodson, Central Park (famous, yes; climbing destination, no), Mt Charleston and possibly Garden of the Gods. There's also a whole bunch of areas that I've never heard of on the list and I suspect a number of them could be trimmed.
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Phantom Fugitive
Social climber
Misery
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 17, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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Byran-
fair thoughts. Thank you.
Reasoning behind Sierras/Bishop Bouldering/ORG is the vast different styles. There may be some shaving and editing there.
I'm glad you haven't heard of many of these locations. My map will be perfect for you.
I agree, Central Park doesn't need to be on this map.
However much people like to diss on Garden of the Gods, I meet people everywhere who have it on their "must visit" list for some reason. It is what it is.
Mt Woodson, fair enough. I climb in san diego and would like to have something on there. may have to think on that one.
Trout creek was on my maybe list. Do people frequent the area? It has always come across as an "in-the-know" type crag. Is that not the case?
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Macronut
Trad climber
Fresno, Ca
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Feb 17, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
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I'll second Rankin's Whitesides, NC.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Feb 17, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
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Let's see. Maple Canyon and American Fork in UT. Both pretty significant destinations with many routes.
I'd list Joes Valley for bouldering rather than Ibex. It is very much a destination. Ibex maybe if you combine both the bouldering and roped climbing as well as nearby climbing (Notch Peak).
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lalamur
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 18, 2014 - 11:53am PT
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The best, and biggest, climbing area in San Diego County: El Cajon mtn.
Please include in your list
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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Feb 18, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
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more piece of art with bonus information
Yep, that sounds about right. A work of art first. Any information included does not detract from the artistic vision. Toula's work is the other way round: information driven.
Looking forward to seeing your finished map!
Sorry I missed you last Saturday. So many folks to catch up with, impossible to talk to everyone.
Next time.
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MZiebell
Social climber
Prescott, AZ
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Feb 18, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
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Indian Head Mountain and Santa Elena Canyon in Big Bend National Park, TX. A destination area only because you better be ready to drive for hours/days from anywhere else...
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Feb 18, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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Hey now I've made two great suggestions and haven't heard a response. Is this mike on? Testing, one two three testing...
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tradjunkie
Trad climber
Rocky Mountain High
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Feb 18, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
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2 thoughts.
First, about 20 years ago I saw a "Hitchhiker's Guide to Gravity" map, western edition (the only version), covering the western US climbing areas. Haven't seen it since. Anybody know anything about it?
Second, maybe you could find an "objective" measure to include the 'top 100'. Maybe someone with some good engineering / math skills on the Taco (and I know there are lots) could collaborate with MountainProject to do something like take climbing area route data by area, and multiply the # of stars for a route with the route length? In other words, the more climbing there is (10 1-pitch climbs vs 1 10-pitch climb) and the better it is, the more it counts? Someone else could figure out details like how to rebalance scores for e.g. bouldering areas vs multipitch trad areas, maybe by picking the top x% of the areas in each category, or filling in missing data (10' standard height for boulder problems, and 100' standard pitches for climbs, without height data?).
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