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Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
Sorry to hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm guessing the majority of these images were already posted to the forum by John himself. If there is a worry that the images might get in the wrong hands, someone should archive them etc as was done with Blitzo's photos.
ron gomez

Trad climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
What Timid top rope said ++

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:15pm PT

Feb 6, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
This is John's original partner on the route later called "Bachar yerian".


Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
I can understand any protectiveness that someone very close to JB might have about images like this, but they are a really wonderful thing to see.

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
wonderful images from one of the greatest dudes from one of the greatest eras. Thanks for sharing. I hope we see more.


Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
Don't people put images on the internet because they want them to be seen?

Isn't it possible to restrict who sees the images to just those that are approved and/or deisred viewers?

Why not ask T H how he came to find these photos and what his motive are? Likewise, Mr. Bachar's dad and son could be asked their thoughts.

bachar - Gym climber Mammoth Lakes, CA

Jun 30, 2009 - 10:31am PT

Sorry dude... these threads are so complicated.


Feb 6, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
I have no proprietary feelings about John's photos, although his father and his son might.

It was his father who archived John's library. He may not have known that, with some effort, John's photo bucket could be viewed...and it did take some effort, since John had a username.

That is the part I find creepy. Curiosity so prurient, one is willing to go ferreting and hacking past semi private boundaries.

I realize that in this time of cyberspace, boundaries mean very little...but courtesy still has a place.
John's father would have appreciated a heads up...


Social climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
While I respect Paola's feelings, I also am super happy to see these images. John Bachar was a great climber and many of us respect and honour his memory. Seeing these images is really great.
this just in

north fork
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Photobucket and other photo sharing websites are open to anyone, unless it's a private account. All it would take to view it is a google search of John Bachar Photobucket. Biotch didn't hack into it, and can't make any changes to it unless he has the password. It's kinda like a Facebook or Instagram, but you don't have to be a friend or invited to it, unless again it's private.
My regards to you,

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
He wanted the pictures seen. That's why they were taken in the first place.

Respect to all.

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
John had posted almost all those pics in public forums himself, some of them many times. He also had put most of them on his supertopo photo account (which still exists the last I checked and is viewable by anyone who wishes to click on it). Further, he didn't take most of the photos in question and did not own copyright on them. So calling them "his" photos is a misnomer.

Celebrating the man's accomplishments is not a negative thing. He continues to inspire, and these photos stoke that inspiration.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:14pm PT

I'm pretty sure all the photos in this photobucket account were uploaded there by John and posted in this forum by him.
For example, the Tunnel Vision photo was uploaded by him in 2006 after Werner requested it - see the 2006 thread:
Many (50%?) of the images are "memes" he probably posted to political threads (I don't generally read those...).
So I think his father saved the archive images to a different location.

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
I know we've probably seen most of these, and they are sort of public domain, but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were...
John M

Feb 6, 2014 - 03:27pm PT

It seems like what is bothering you is the thought that someone had to go to the trouble of hacking his account. But you don't have to hack that account. All that you have to do is search John's name and you can find it. And it is open. Searching for photos of John isn't weird. At least not in my opinion. John was highly thought of here on the Taco and many of us miss him. I didn't know him personally. I knew him mostly through this forum, and yet I still miss him. HIs energy and enthusiasm. His vision. His love of climbing. His love of music. His stoke. But also his steadiness. Lots of folks here knew him personally and seemed to love him. They razzed him and they loved him and they respected his drive and ability. That seems pretty incredible to me and is a testament to who the man was.

Feb 6, 2014 - 03:39pm PT

a) please stop projecting feelings on me that I don't have.

I don't give a flying f&*k about John's photos and who sees them.

b) My comments are not about the ownership, they are about the style.

c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?

John M

Feb 6, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?

Its just a reminder Paola, of who he was and the cool things that he did. its a rainy day and its neat to see those pictures now. Most of us are just hanging out. So seeing the pictures is cool.

And I was only quoting your words.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
Sorry Paola for any pain this site caused. You know, I know, about pain. Or maybe it didn't bring pain. I don't know. But I do know, the one good thing here is that John's incredible accomplishments are being appreciated by a community that respects him.

Peace to you Paola and Love,


Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were...
On the internet, posting images publicly without placing them behind a privacy wall IS giving permission for any and all who find it to gaze upon it, or to repost for noncommercial reasons (with credit and links given as the OP has done)

For a flash video showing the process of "hacking" (as the term has been used here) a public photobucket account, see the following link:

As it's already been said, there's a difference between the man and the legend. One can long for the man that has passed, but one cannot long for the legend that has passed, because this very thread is proof that the legend continues to live on.

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
People might not remember, but BITD you couldn't just upload photos to SuperTopo as you can now. You had to have an account on a place like Photobucket or ImageShack to be able to display photos on this forum.
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