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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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awesome
:)
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Rollover
climber
Gross Vegas
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Amazing find!
Love the shot of John soloing Short Subject at Donner Summit.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Sure that's not Midterm? I've seen that photo before . . .
Oh! Didn't see the pic of short subject at first. What's that thing go at?
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pa
climber
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Biotch,
you must lead a dim existence if, for your entertainment, you choose to pry into dead people's private accounts...their photo buckets, no less...and then splatter your find on a public forum.
I am not sure about the legalities of your action, but I am quite certain about your taste.
It smacks of voyeurism.
paola
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clinker
Trad climber
California
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Pa,
Not sure if you were joking. Great to wake up and see these photos!
In case you didn't know, Bachar lives on forever.
JC
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kaholatingtong
Social climber
Nevada City
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short subject is 11d ( according to my guide ). good stuff biotch.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Pa, photobucket is a public website, if you want to have your images private you can do so and only people invited to the private gallery could view them. Biotch looking at a climbing legends pictures says he enjoys climbing and I'm grateful for him sharing with the rest of us.
Credit Bachar's Photobucket
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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^^^^^^^^
Them dudes was ripped . . .
I recognize Bachar and Kauk, who are the other two?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sometimes climbing is way too serious, that picture to me is what climbing is all about.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Sometimes climbing is way too serious
You're not doing it right
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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That wide crack picture is the Truckee boulder off width 5.9
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Righteous, thanks!
Always intrigued me that Bachar and Kauk did the mantle on ML totally differntly, with JB using the left-hand mantling method most of us end up using, and Kauk (and Moffat) using that hateful, tiny crimp.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Good stuff, again!
We were all young once, eh?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Good stuff Biotch.
pa doesn't like climbing threads?
Edit- Ahhh i see timid, no disrespect pa.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
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Sorry to hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm guessing the majority of these images were already posted to the forum by John himself. If there is a worry that the images might get in the wrong hands, someone should archive them etc as was done with Blitzo's photos.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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What Timid top rope said ++
Peace
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WBraun
climber
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This is John's original partner on the route later called "Bachar yerian".
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I can understand any protectiveness that someone very close to JB might have about images like this, but they are a really wonderful thing to see.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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wonderful images from one of the greatest dudes from one of the greatest eras. Thanks for sharing. I hope we see more.
Scott
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Don't people put images on the internet because they want them to be seen?
Isn't it possible to restrict who sees the images to just those that are approved and/or deisred viewers?
Why not ask ß Î Ø T Ç H how he came to find these photos and what his motive are? Likewise, Mr. Bachar's dad and son could be asked their thoughts.
bachar - Gym climber Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jun 30, 2009 - 10:31am PT
Sorry dude... these threads are so complicated.
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pa
climber
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I have no proprietary feelings about John's photos, although his father and his son might.
It was his father who archived John's library. He may not have known that, with some effort, John's photo bucket could be viewed...and it did take some effort, since John had a username.
That is the part I find creepy. Curiosity so prurient, one is willing to go ferreting and hacking past semi private boundaries.
I realize that in this time of cyberspace, boundaries mean very little...but courtesy still has a place.
John's father would have appreciated a heads up...
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Pa,
Photobucket and other photo sharing websites are open to anyone, unless it's a private account. All it would take to view it is a google search of John Bachar Photobucket. Biotch didn't hack into it, and can't make any changes to it unless he has the password. It's kinda like a Facebook or Instagram, but you don't have to be a friend or invited to it, unless again it's private.
My regards to you,
Justin
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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He wanted the pictures seen. That's why they were taken in the first place.
Respect to all.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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John had posted almost all those pics in public forums himself, some of them many times. He also had put most of them on his supertopo photo account (which still exists the last I checked and is viewable by anyone who wishes to click on it). Further, he didn't take most of the photos in question and did not own copyright on them. So calling them "his" photos is a misnomer.
Celebrating the man's accomplishments is not a negative thing. He continues to inspire, and these photos stoke that inspiration.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Paola,
I'm pretty sure all the photos in this photobucket account were uploaded there by John and posted in this forum by him.
For example, the Tunnel Vision photo was uploaded by him in 2006 after Werner requested it - see the 2006 thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=158462&tn=20
Many (50%?) of the images are "memes" he probably posted to political threads (I don't generally read those...).
So I think his father saved the archive images to a different location.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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I know we've probably seen most of these, and they are sort of public domain, but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were...
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John M
climber
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Paola,
It seems like what is bothering you is the thought that someone had to go to the trouble of hacking his account. But you don't have to hack that account. … All that you have to do is search John's name and you can find it. And it is open. Searching for photos of John isn't weird. At least not in my opinion. John was highly thought of here on the Taco and many of us miss him. I didn't know him personally. I knew him mostly through this forum, and yet I still miss him. HIs energy and enthusiasm. His vision. His love of climbing. His love of music. His stoke. But also his steadiness. Lots of folks here knew him personally and seemed to love him. They razzed him and they loved him and they respected his drive and ability. That seems pretty incredible to me and is a testament to who the man was.
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pa
climber
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People,
a) please stop projecting feelings on me that I don't have.
I don't give a flying f&*k about John's photos and who sees them.
b) My comments are not about the ownership, they are about the style.
c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?
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John M
climber
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c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?
Its just a reminder Paola, of who he was and the cool things that he did. its a rainy day and its neat to see those pictures now. Most of us are just hanging out. So seeing the pictures is cool.
And I was only quoting your words.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Sorry Paola for any pain this site caused. You know, I know, about pain. Or maybe it didn't bring pain. I don't know. But I do know, the one good thing here is that John's incredible accomplishments are being appreciated by a community that respects him.
Peace to you Paola and Love,
Lynne
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
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but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were... On the internet, posting images publicly without placing them behind a privacy wall IS giving permission for any and all who find it to gaze upon it, or to repost for noncommercial reasons (with credit and links given as the OP has done)
For a flash video showing the process of "hacking" (as the term has been used here) a public photobucket account, see the following link: http://bit.ly/1e7wAmX
As it's already been said, there's a difference between the man and the legend. One can long for the man that has passed, but one cannot long for the legend that has passed, because this very thread is proof that the legend continues to live on.
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
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People might not remember, but BITD you couldn't just upload photos to SuperTopo as you can now. You had to have an account on a place like Photobucket or ImageShack to be able to display photos on this forum.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Feb 18, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
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Pictures are worth...
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Feb 18, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
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I'm not sure why you are upset. We are climbers, these are good shots. Like the ones Phil Bard took and blew up to sell to support Tyrus's fundraiser. I like looking at them every time I notice one of them. I like looking at those, I like looking at these. Why is that wrong? You don't think folks google John Bachar?
Paola said:
"People,
a) please stop projecting feelings on me that I don't have.
I don't give a flying f&*k about John's photos and who sees them.
b) My comments are not about the ownership, they are about the style.
c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?"
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Manjusri
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
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On the internet, posting images publicly without placing them behind a privacy wall IS giving permission for any and all who find it to gaze upon it, or to repost for noncommercial reasons (with credit and links given as the OP has done)
This is not correct. There are cases when even inline linking an image is abusive (this isn't one of them). In most cases, downloading the image and uploading to a different site without at least implied permission is inappropriate (and technically copyright violation).
I appreciate the opportunity to view these photos and don't feel that there is an ethical issue here.
Heh, I just noticed I stole my forum pic. Oh well, at least one ethical issue.
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The Alpine
climber
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Feb 18, 2014 - 10:02pm PT
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Zoinks Scoob!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Mar 21, 2014 - 12:34am PT
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What is that lie back that The Alpine posted? Looks like catchy corner beefed up!
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msiddens
Trad climber
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Mar 21, 2014 - 12:52am PT
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Great shots of a hero.
Vitally it's Do or Fly on Puppy Dome. At least I think you asked that?
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2014 - 02:36am PT
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Croft in that photo(?)
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Bad Climber
climber
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Mar 21, 2014 - 09:11am PT
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Boy, that corner is above my pay grade, but holy schweet granite, Batman, I'd love to do it.
BAd
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Mar 21, 2014 - 09:54am PT
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Outstanding!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Mar 21, 2014 - 10:17am PT
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Re: The pix of John on Midnight Lightning. The bolt is actually on the first picture too, just faded and you have to look a little closer.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Mar 21, 2014 - 11:06am PT
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Edgy maybe. Too old to be cool.
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