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T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 6, 2014 - 02:31am PT
I tracked down JB's photobucket account.
In amongst the joke pics etc there are many rare gems and historical images.
He has his own published photographs too.
There are no captions, but if you look at the actual URLs there is usually a one word clue as to the subject matter.
To get the highest resolution, you need to click on "view original".
I don't think the site allows hotlinking, so I downloaded one of them to post as a tease. http://s50.photobucket.com/user/johnbachar/library/?sort=3&page=1#/user/johnbachar/library/?sort=3&page=1&_suid=139166259853806973674554940821
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:41am PT
awesome

:)
mynameismud

climber
backseat
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:19am PT
that is a worthy post.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:39am PT
Cool. Direct linking works.

Midnight Lightning - before the graffiti (EBs), and after (Fires)


There was one I haven't seen much of before:
Tunnel Vision 5.12d, 1982
(near Gait of Power, west of Separate Reality)
See 2006 thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=158462&tn=20
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 6, 2014 - 08:42am PT
Wow!
Rollover

climber
Gross Vegas
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:02am PT
Amazing find!
Love the shot of John soloing Short Subject at Donner Summit.
Short Subject <br/>
5.11+
Short Subject
5.11+
Credit: Probably the kid. Maybe Phil Bard?
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:05am PT
Sure that's not Midterm? I've seen that photo before . . .

Oh! Didn't see the pic of short subject at first. What's that thing go at?
pa

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:10am PT
Biotch,
you must lead a dim existence if, for your entertainment, you choose to pry into dead people's private accounts...their photo buckets, no less...and then splatter your find on a public forum.

I am not sure about the legalities of your action, but I am quite certain about your taste.
It smacks of voyeurism.

paola
clinker

Trad climber
California
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:21am PT
Pa,

Not sure if you were joking. Great to wake up and see these photos!

In case you didn't know, Bachar lives on forever.

JC
kaholatingtong

Social climber
Nevada City
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:02am PT
short subject is 11d ( according to my guide ). good stuff biotch.
this just in

climber
north fork
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Pa, photobucket is a public website, if you want to have your images private you can do so and only people invited to the private gallery could view them. Biotch looking at a climbing legends pictures says he enjoys climbing and I'm grateful for him sharing with the rest of us.

Credit Bachar's Photobucket
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:15am PT
^^^^^^^^

Them dudes was ripped . . .

I recognize Bachar and Kauk, who are the other two?
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Pettigrew and Werner
this just in

climber
north fork
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Sometimes climbing is way too serious, that picture to me is what climbing is all about.
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:29am PT
Sometimes climbing is way too serious

You're not doing it right
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:47am PT
That wide crack picture is the Truckee boulder off width 5.9
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Righteous, thanks!

Always intrigued me that Bachar and Kauk did the mantle on ML totally differntly, with JB using the left-hand mantling method most of us end up using, and Kauk (and Moffat) using that hateful, tiny crimp.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Good stuff, again!

We were all young once, eh?

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Good stuff Biotch.


pa doesn't like climbing threads?


Edit- Ahhh i see timid, no disrespect pa.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
Paola loved John and John loved Paola. Her opinion has merit.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
Sorry to hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm guessing the majority of these images were already posted to the forum by John himself. If there is a worry that the images might get in the wrong hands, someone should archive them etc as was done with Blitzo's photos.
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
What Timid top rope said ++
Peace
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
Awesome!
WBraun

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
This is John's original partner on the route later called "Bachar yerian".

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
I can understand any protectiveness that someone very close to JB might have about images like this, but they are a really wonderful thing to see.
micronut

Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
wonderful images from one of the greatest dudes from one of the greatest eras. Thanks for sharing. I hope we see more.

Scott
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:38pm PT
Don't people put images on the internet because they want them to be seen?

Isn't it possible to restrict who sees the images to just those that are approved and/or deisred viewers?

Why not ask T H how he came to find these photos and what his motive are? Likewise, Mr. Bachar's dad and son could be asked their thoughts.


bachar - Gym climber Mammoth Lakes, CA


Jun 30, 2009 - 10:31am PT

Sorry dude... these threads are so complicated.

pa

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
I have no proprietary feelings about John's photos, although his father and his son might.

It was his father who archived John's library. He may not have known that, with some effort, John's photo bucket could be viewed...and it did take some effort, since John had a username.

That is the part I find creepy. Curiosity so prurient, one is willing to go ferreting and hacking past semi private boundaries.

I realize that in this time of cyberspace, boundaries mean very little...but courtesy still has a place.
John's father would have appreciated a heads up...

Tami

Social climber
Canada
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
While I respect Paola's feelings, I also am super happy to see these images. John Bachar was a great climber and many of us respect and honour his memory. Seeing these images is really great.
this just in

climber
north fork
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Pa,
Photobucket and other photo sharing websites are open to anyone, unless it's a private account. All it would take to view it is a google search of John Bachar Photobucket. Biotch didn't hack into it, and can't make any changes to it unless he has the password. It's kinda like a Facebook or Instagram, but you don't have to be a friend or invited to it, unless again it's private.
My regards to you,
Justin
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
Google John Bachar and youll get pages of images out there.

With respect to PA, Hes a legend and property of us all now. As it should be.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
He wanted the pictures seen. That's why they were taken in the first place.

Respect to all.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
John had posted almost all those pics in public forums himself, some of them many times. He also had put most of them on his supertopo photo account (which still exists the last I checked and is viewable by anyone who wishes to click on it). Further, he didn't take most of the photos in question and did not own copyright on them. So calling them "his" photos is a misnomer.

Celebrating the man's accomplishments is not a negative thing. He continues to inspire, and these photos stoke that inspiration.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
Paola,

I'm pretty sure all the photos in this photobucket account were uploaded there by John and posted in this forum by him.
For example, the Tunnel Vision photo was uploaded by him in 2006 after Werner requested it - see the 2006 thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=158462&tn=20
Many (50%?) of the images are "memes" he probably posted to political threads (I don't generally read those...).
So I think his father saved the archive images to a different location.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
I know we've probably seen most of these, and they are sort of public domain, but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were...
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
Paola,

It seems like what is bothering you is the thought that someone had to go to the trouble of hacking his account. But you don't have to hack that account. All that you have to do is search John's name and you can find it. And it is open. Searching for photos of John isn't weird. At least not in my opinion. John was highly thought of here on the Taco and many of us miss him. I didn't know him personally. I knew him mostly through this forum, and yet I still miss him. HIs energy and enthusiasm. His vision. His love of climbing. His love of music. His stoke. But also his steadiness. Lots of folks here knew him personally and seemed to love him. They razzed him and they loved him and they respected his drive and ability. That seems pretty incredible to me and is a testament to who the man was.
pa

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
People,

a) please stop projecting feelings on me that I don't have.

I don't give a flying f&*k about John's photos and who sees them.


b) My comments are not about the ownership, they are about the style.


c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?






John M

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?

Its just a reminder Paola, of who he was and the cool things that he did. its a rainy day and its neat to see those pictures now. Most of us are just hanging out. So seeing the pictures is cool.

And I was only quoting your words.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:15pm PT
Sorry Paola for any pain this site caused. You know, I know, about pain. Or maybe it didn't bring pain. I don't know. But I do know, the one good thing here is that John's incredible accomplishments are being appreciated by a community that respects him.

Peace to you Paola and Love,

Lynne
j-tree

Big Wall climber
Classroom to crag to summer camp
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
but Paol has a point, it seems sort of creepy to be taking them from this source, without permission, as it were...
On the internet, posting images publicly without placing them behind a privacy wall IS giving permission for any and all who find it to gaze upon it, or to repost for noncommercial reasons (with credit and links given as the OP has done)



For a flash video showing the process of "hacking" (as the term has been used here) a public photobucket account, see the following link: http://bit.ly/1e7wAmX


As it's already been said, there's a difference between the man and the legend. One can long for the man that has passed, but one cannot long for the legend that has passed, because this very thread is proof that the legend continues to live on.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
People might not remember, but BITD you couldn't just upload photos to SuperTopo as you can now. You had to have an account on a place like Photobucket or ImageShack to be able to display photos on this forum.
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Feb 18, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Pictures are worth...
Credit: Tobia
Credit: Tobia
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Feb 18, 2014 - 07:20pm PT


I'm not sure why you are upset. We are climbers, these are good shots. Like the ones Phil Bard took and blew up to sell to support Tyrus's fundraiser. I like looking at them every time I notice one of them. I like looking at those, I like looking at these. Why is that wrong? You don't think folks google John Bachar?


Paola said:

"People,

a) please stop projecting feelings on me that I don't have.

I don't give a flying f&*k about John's photos and who sees them.


b) My comments are not about the ownership, they are about the style.


c) Why is everybody so awed about seeing these photos here and now, since they have apparently
been so available, for so long?"
Manjusri

climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
On the internet, posting images publicly without placing them behind a privacy wall IS giving permission for any and all who find it to gaze upon it, or to repost for noncommercial reasons (with credit and links given as the OP has done)

This is not correct. There are cases when even inline linking an image is abusive (this isn't one of them). In most cases, downloading the image and uploading to a different site without at least implied permission is inappropriate (and technically copyright violation).

I appreciate the opportunity to view these photos and don't feel that there is an ethical issue here.

Heh, I just noticed I stole my forum pic. Oh well, at least one ethical issue.
The Alpine

climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
The Alpine

climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 10:02pm PT


Zoinks Scoob!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Mar 21, 2014 - 12:34am PT
What is that lie back that The Alpine posted? Looks like catchy corner beefed up!
msiddens

Trad climber
Mar 21, 2014 - 12:52am PT
Great shots of a hero.

Vitally it's Do or Fly on Puppy Dome. At least I think you asked that?
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2014 - 02:36am PT
Croft in that photo(?)
Bad Climber

climber
Mar 21, 2014 - 09:11am PT
Boy, that corner is above my pay grade, but holy schweet granite, Batman, I'd love to do it.

BAd
martygarrison

Trad climber
Washington DC
Mar 21, 2014 - 09:54am PT
Outstanding!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 21, 2014 - 10:17am PT
Re: The pix of John on Midnight Lightning. The bolt is actually on the first picture too, just faded and you have to look a little closer.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Mar 21, 2014 - 10:33am PT
Wait I thought James Lucas erased it? He's so cool and edgy.

DMT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 21, 2014 - 11:06am PT
Edgy maybe. Too old to be cool.
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