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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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had to stop reading.
the statements beg multiple fallacies.
There are still monkeys because El Cap is still there. duh
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Awesome TR Vitaliy! Keep em coming dude ;-)
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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I hope I never get one those dumb heads in the sac!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Hey I posted before I clicked, wtf that's not your blog! Many of those people look so normal, kinda. I'm scared now.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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#1 looks like a child molester
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MisterE
climber
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had to stop reading.
the statements beg multiple fallacies.
+1
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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where's Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel when you need him?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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which is not to say we don't have epistemic faith built into our dna, but the battle being drawn out is a political one, not one based on a 'search for truth'
Faithfully yours in climbing,
Munge E. Climber
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Seemed like allot of valid questions that every person needs to ask themselves to reach their own decision.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Ken Ham is a Mac Daddy?
Whodathunkit.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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I'm a biology teacher.
I really have my work cut out for me!!!!
Reading those 22 messages (actually there were a couple intelligent ones) I wanted to start banging my head on the table . . .
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Loved loved loved...the "why do monkeys still exist".
Susan
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Common mischaracterization: Evolution = Darwinism
The former, don't forget, was also put forward by Alfred Wallace who worked out the mechanism independently of Darwin. That says a lot right there.
The latter is the application of Darwin's ideas to the social sphere, where they don't belong. As soon as humans begin attempting to "guide" evolution, its not "natural selection" anymore, only arrogant behavior.
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BBA
climber
OF
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While looking at a display about evolution which indicated that we evolved from monkeys my 9 yr old grandson said, "Funny, I don't remember looking like that." Those early photos of us as cute little kids are all lies. They photoshopped the hair out.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
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Hey have you been getting out? Is the valley still dry these days?
Yeah was there for the last 2 weekends. It got some rain/snow last week. And will be dumped on starting tonight or tomorrow. Should be really pretty out there next week.
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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One of my favorites. It's hard not to imagine she's perpetrating multiple jokes here, but then again ... Kentucky
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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It appears that most of those leaving messages on the blog: why they disagree with evolution theories, look fairly intelligent and write fairly well.
Sigh.
Even though many of us would like to dismiss creationists as inbred redneck cretins, unfortunately many of them are quite intelligent.
My very-liberal ex-wife was a doctor’s daughter from Memphis, TN. Her parents were well educated, intelligent, Republican, conservative, worldly,-------- and religious. They believed in a literal biblical interpretation.
I remember the ex-father-in-law dismissing fossils and the whole science of geology as: “God just playing some little jokes to test if folks are worthy of Heaven.” (or not).
However! I do not understand how people can spend time viewing western U.S. landscapes, and still believe the earth is only 6,000 years old.
People are strange!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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And on the sixth day... zzzzzzzzz
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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An federal government daily reaching further and further into people's lives, the IRS doing the political bidding of the administration, more people on welfare than the entire population of the US in 1880, division and rancor along racial and class lines, 90 some odd million people out of work who are capable of working, increasing trillions of dollars in debt, a health care system built on reprehensible lies that may eventually bankrupt the country---and what are people on this site worried and obsessed about in the social and political arena---the fact that a bunch of Baptists somewhere believe that a God created the universe.
oh the humanity !!!!
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Bruce Kay:
Yeah I think thats definitely one sure-fire to solve the seriously profound problems I outlined : let's just get Reverend Mosely and the 5th Ave. Baptist Church to admit they are morons ---and that we modern progressives are the smartest thing since sliced cheese---that'll solve everything.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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"Dude" people out there believe a whole lotta stuff that just isn't true. This is one thing that will not change in human nature.The enlightened ones won the last two elections...wheres the Beef?
Blaming it on Reverend Mosely is soooooo 2012. Those tactics are only good the first few times around.
Start talking about the real problems and quit trying to shift the blame onto someone kneeling in a church somewhere.
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RasVegas
Trad climber
Goodyear
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It's NOT "ignorant"...it's "IGNINT"!
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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stoopid americans
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Aya K
Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
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One of my favorites. It's hard to imagine she's perpetrating multiple jokes here, but then again ... Kentucky
reminds me of a time I was having breakfast at the diner by Seneca. Waitress was going on and on about the new guy working there and how he seemed like a nice boy but an ATHEIST and her rant finally culminated with "If there's no God, HOW DOES HE EXPLAIN RAINBOWS? They're God's promise there won't be another flood!" I almost spat my waffles all over the table stifling a laugh.
I got quite a bit more frustrated watching that "debate" (is it a debate if there is so little actual discourse between the participants? "I'd like to have an argument, please") than I probably should have. Had to turn it off to let my brain reset a number of times but ultimately there was nothing new there.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Moosedrool! Per your comment: Since only 15% people in the USA believe 15 percent say humans evolved without the assistance of God, then they must be wrong.
I accept you pulled your post from the latest Gallup poll mentioned on Google.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx
However! Per the link: the poll indicates that 47% of Americans believe in evolution vs 46% that don't.
That 46% is still more evidence to me that:
People are strange!
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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"Obstructionists" they are now uh? Sounds like a creepy term from "The Outer Limits" or "The Twilight Zone"
They are never your next door neighbors , the Johnsons---no ,they are the "obstructionists" whose ideas must be eradicated if we are to deal with a burgeoning debt and chronically lying politicians.
"...they are a diminishing breed" is a faulty characterization quite the opposite ,since it is modern progressives who are aborting and value-systeming themselves out of existence. So much so that they must now import millions of third worlders to pay for their retirement checks and wash their dishes.
Third worlders, I might add, who are considerably more non-scientifically superstitious than the social media unemployed and unmarried 30 yr olds living in their parents basement---the demonstrable product of all this progressive enlightenment and teeming masses of new cognoscenti primed to vanquish the ignorant.
BTW: What are you climbing in your avatar photo? Looks nice.
That's El Camino Real on the western end of Tahquitz.
Excellent, excellent route.....classic lie -back action on the third pitch. First and second pitch features some real clean straight-forward slab moves on superb quality rock. That group of foliage below the photo is known as "the Jungle" at the top of pitch 2.
Did it back on last July 4. Every time I made a crux move the marching band from the Idyllwild parade below would strike up a rousing refrain, clearly heard from our position.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Someone please pass these "creationists" a dictionary in return for their Bible...
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Plenty of dumb atheists out there too.
Just sayin'.
namaste
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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It is divinity that shapes, not only your ends, but also your acts, your words and thoughts.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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F*#K'em. Who created the firs' world?
Not us climbers.
We are TOO creative for sh#t like that.
Bogus post, V.
Stick to climbing, not Peelossiffy.
Thy pecker runs straight if you cannot relate to verbiage meant for savage tribesmen.
It can be inspiring, but not when you're tiring on some back-country strung-out five eight.
The good lord is good, but his book is just a guidebook, after all.
TWO WORDS FOR JOS. MCCarthy.
STay'n Hell.
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MisterE
climber
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Let's just let them be?
Is that so hard?
When did other peoples belief become an issue for those secure in their own beliefs?
Oh, sorry - my bad. That would be always.
;)
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MisterE
climber
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^^ And end up on Couchmaster's list?
Bruce, you are too serious. Read the rest of my post.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Seeeeriously? Reeeeally reals?AT LAST, MAYBE A JUG!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Wedge issue. Our pockets are still being picked by the bastards in charge.
Who cares who made the world. Or not.
Whattabout the damn thing we live in rite now?
I hate being distracted by sh1t.
Typical..
A disregard of history, campared to what makes me happy today.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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oh no, please don't start with graphs... ^^^^
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Vitaily,
I am disgusted, let down and disappointed in you. This first (OT) post of yours is just going to be the start. This is how it begins. You'll probably never post another TR. You'll probably stop climbing and pick up knitting and spend your days on the Political or Cat lover threads. Its a sad day in Senderville my internet friend, a sad day indeed.
While this thread of yours churns a way with the same old people saying the same old things, you may want to go check out the following threads.
1. Why Boulderers Are Wrong About Everything (OT)
2. The Quinoa Appreciation Thread (OT)
3. Birds (OT)
4. Why Killing Puppies is Good For The Environment(OT)
5. The Monday Morning While Posting Drunk Tread (OT)
6. Why Mountain Project Sux (OT)
7. The I Heart David Lama Thread (OT)
8. The "Help...I Love 5.3 Sport Routes" Thread
I hope you enjoy the rainy day and that your next OT post involves either Miley Cyrus or Whitemeat.
Yours,
Scott
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WBraun
climber
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LOL ^^^^
These stupid Americans on both sides of the fence here have no fuking brains.
Drooling idiots.
Evolution and creation are simultaneously going on and active from day one .....
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Spanky
Social climber
boulder co
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Those were some of the dumbest questions I have ever seen. One of them claimed science wasn't testable or repeatable which are the fundamental tenets of science. I guess you can't cure brainwashed stupidity.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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had to stop reading.
the statements beg multiple fallacies.
2+
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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If you think the world is 6000 years old you are most certainly obstructionist on multiple levels. If you can refute that rather than go look for communists under rocks then please do. Stay on topic meathead
Let me make something abundantly clear---I personally am an agnostic. I am neither a creationist nor am I an atheist.
I thought most people here are familiar enough with my posts to know this.
Bruce "Kay" probably knows this ---but he is either too dense, or he prefers to mischaracterize others as a matter of course.Probably a little bit of both, with slowness of wit being predominant.
Individuals with weak political and philosophical positions are always looking to shoot fish in barrels by constantly picking on people with religious beliefs. It makes them feel a whole lot smarter than they really are. They can hide behind the big bully of science just like the wormy types we knew as kids who picked fights and then got their bully to back them up.
Meanwhile , the way in which atheists and anti-religionists have conducted themselves when in charge of any given society has been just as deplorable as religionists. Perhaps even more so, certainly in modern times.
Witness the carnage in the 20th century that the Soviets ,Chinese Communists , and other totalitarian systems had unleashed upon their subject populations--- all in the name of the almighty state---states that explicitly outlawed religious practice and ruthlessly persecuted those that refused to think only the officially sanctioned thought ---which always ,at the least, pretended to be scientifically-based atheism ; backed up by jack-boots, torture chambers ,and Siberian concentration camps.
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Werner nails it!
Evolution is creationism
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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I've done El Camino Real
Hey Dave, yep, on that side of Tahquitz the 2 must-do routes are Real and Open Book
---before anything else.
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WBraun
climber
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Witness Bruce Kay almighty here and his imitation god almighty authoritarian voice screeching in every thread how he "knows" .......
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Would you prefer i just go meekly away with my tail between my legs?
Ah ha! You have a tail! You are not a product of evolution. This proves that the world was created in order to make the sunset!!!!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Created without a brain.
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Josh Nash
Social climber
riverbank ca
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I don't understand the point in all of this. Insn't faith and science two wholly different things? Science, is provable in our natural world by observing cause and affect right? You use your observations to extrapolate a conclusion and develop a theory about things that cannot be directly tested right? Then, you write a paper and that gets reviewed and is either disproven or is taken as fact right? How can someone operating from a point of faith even debate someone of science?
It's not as if science is trying to disprove the existence of God.(I know some more militant facets are but not in a general sense.) Science, as far as I understand looks at the mechanics of our world and tries to explain it.
All that being said I believe in God. I believe In the teachings and working of God taught in the Bible. I don't try to debate my atheist friends because it's silly and pointless. They can stand on understanding and facts that I can't or should. I have my faith and my relationship. It keeps my life healthy; gives me a sense of peace in this crazy world. If I were to die and that's all it is I wouldn't regret any choices. I love my wife, love my kids, work hard, try to have an attitude of gratefulness. I try to make ethical decisions based on my faith. If people ask, I'll tell. Maybe it is grasping on to superstition and there really is no God. When I look at the universe and the beauty in the world around me in my heart of hearts I know there is and I smile and I pray a prayer of thankfulness and I move on. Thats faith to me. That's unprovable in the ways of science. I know that and accept that.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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This thread got real uncomfortable...
I thought the Bill Nye debate was terribly frustrating. I think there are many reasonable Christians he could have debated about actually debatable topics - Lawrence Krauss does a good job finding credible opinions which to frame his counter-points. This was just... eh. A bit frustrating.
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