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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 13, 2015 - 11:12pm PT
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we just need to run a pipe to Lake Superior. seems like a no-brainer
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 14, 2015 - 12:00am PT
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Mitscherlich in 1971 calculated the water storage potential as interception values for different species and stand densities. A storm event might produce 50-100mm of rainfall and 4mm might be the maximum intercepted in this way.
That looks to me like 4-8%, not 70-100%
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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Interesting one here. There has been a leak since 1990, definitely was reported in 2006, and it's still leaking today.
Working on it, it's a hard problem.
Leak flows unabated in San Diego alley
Complaints date as far back as 2006 on fissure behind 33rd Street
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jun/13/city-alley-water-leak/
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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I bike ride past a school that has a leak into a concrete lined ditch
that has been going on for years. A 100 yard long micro ecosystem exists there until it empties down a storm drain.
Apex predators (cars) squash various critters that venture into the road.
Ken - your number also could be right for Interception losses by tree canopy.
Its real but with huge variance.
We all have experienced it walking Sierra trails in the rain
and our shoes still puff dust under the trees while mud puddles grow
where there is open sky.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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the goat
climber
north central WA
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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Dave729, you are spot on. I can only speak to what I've seen locally but since the 2003 Needles fire, the Methow River has remained consistently higher than pre-fire levels, even during low precip years. With reduced canopy and surface mat removed, rainfall and snow-melt have a chance to soak into the ground and recharge the aquifer. Surface vegetation and wildlife forage are also more plentiful than when the forest floor was a dry, silver-snagged mess.
80+ years of "no burn" policies and limited logging have left some areas in atrocious shape, definitely not a "natural" forest.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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The Great Lake Superior Pipeline? Probably need to think twice on it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 11:51am PT
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California population
1900-2000
1850-2004
1900-2010
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Jun 14, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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hands off L.Superior boys and girls. When you choose to live in a desert you got to play by the rules of the desert. In fly over land we don't mind spending our time and energy feeding the rest of you, but you're on your own if you want to try and hustle water.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
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we just need to run a pipe to Lake Superior. seems like a no-braine
Google NAWAPTA.
The plan has been in place for decades. The Canadians will probably complain, but nuke a couple of their small towns as a warning, and they'll shut up.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 14, 2015 - 07:42pm PT
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Don't worry, folks. We won't be shipping water from Oregon, or Michigan.
It always sounds great, until you start talking about paying for it.
There is the issue of mountains in the way. You gotta lift the water over that.
Right now, the water from N. Cal has to be lifted over the Tehachapi Mountains. That uses 10% of all the energy used in Calif. The lift of water from the Colorado River Consumes about another 10%.
So 20% of ALL POWER USED IN CA, is used to lift water.
(Not true of the water from the Owens Valley, because it is all downhill. It actually generates a little power)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jun 14, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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hey there say, ken m... ahhh, nice to hear that... :) AS, there needs to be more particle ways to solve things instead of making huge projects affecting the so many other things, in the way of such, etc... oh my...
all kinds of things go wrong, trying to do 'unnatural' stuff to solve natural troubles... :)
then, you have TWICE the trouble, :O
when THAT new stuff, goes wrong... :(
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 14, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
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It is not really a water shortage problem in California, it is a water management problem. There are municipalities that did not even have water meters until recently. Large corporations are putting in new almond groves and pumping water out of the ground. That BS screams for unified management of water.
On the bright side, things look like they are lining up for a significant El Nino this winter. Tuna crabs are invading the local beaches, ocean temps are rising.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/tuna-crabs-invade-san-diego-beaches-thousands/story?id=31725696
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 11:51pm PT
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Thats alot of power! Also there's all the truck and train loads of bottled water.
Seems like we if we ran a tube from the higher elevation lake Superior down to 0 elev. LosAngeles, with a big suck we could get the water to flow for free?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 15, 2015 - 05:22am PT
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The Great Lakes had their own water shortage issues a few years back until they had record snowfalls...Harbors had to be dredged so that recreationist could get their boats onto the lakes..Get rid of the lawns and practice birth control if you want more water in California..
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 07:39am PT
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Rough mileages
Winnipeg to New Orleans 2600
Ironwood MI to San Diego 2200
Maybe a double decker pipeline carrying oil in the club car section and water in the passenger class section?
Apparently hasn't been implemented elsewhere (I've got my patent guy researching it now), but you get the idea. Just stick it right on top.
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