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Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 27, 2014 - 03:54am PT
those guys are pot heads, not druggies,

who did you expect to see, the Marlboro Man?

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2014 - 05:30am PT
It's damned severe and nothing to make light of or ignore.

Couchmaster is right, it is nothing to make light of or ignore. Bluey, Chaz, TGT and others, you make light of the situation, perhaps because it may not being affecting you as much as others.

Yes we have seen these cycles, as I noted in my opening post/thread

California has always been, natural history wise, a land of droughts and floods.

But as the state relies so much on water, with one of the largest agriculture “industries” in the world (this includes forestry as well), as well as recreational use, and the population pushing past 38 million, home to one out of eight Americans roughly, it is a precious ‘commodity’.


… or a lot of people will be leaving California.
Paul, that may not be such a bad thing
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jan 27, 2014 - 07:57am PT
Well, I can speak for a local observation here in the Santa Monica's. It's the driest I've ever seen it in 40 years. I spent most of the weekend hiking/climbing in several locations and didn't see any new green plants...anywhere. Although 80 degree temps in Jan is nice for climbing, it seemed totally weird and blasted. Generally, even in the driest winters with very little rain there's at least a small underlayment of short green grass or weeds coming up on N-Facing slopes. Nada. Even the hard-core invasive stuff is beat down by the heat and lack of moisture.

This is So Cal though.. extremes run in cycles. Next year we'll probably be bitching about El Nino washing houses off the hillsides. FYI: the last time we had enough rain to flood my house was 2004.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 27, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Forty Years? Just kidding, JustLikeThe Maid. Have you got flood insurance?
Credit: mouse from merced
Speaking of floods, I was gonna try to sand bag you, Padraig, with this shot from the local dells.

I'f like to report that we're all good here, now.

Maaaaaa! That's sheep dip.

It's just as bad as you can imagine, and will get lots worse, regardless if it rains now. Unless it rains for forty days and forty nights.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 27, 2014 - 09:36am PT
TGT - what were you on today? I was doing Whodunnit with an LA partner.
It was crazy - climbing in just a long sleeve shirt!

No climbing.

ICA meeting with FS

Not making light of the situation at all. It's likely that at some point agriculture will disappear from California. That will be a deacdes long process.

I'm not going to panic either. I've lived long enough, and being a second generation Californio, heard enough first hand agricultural history, and seen enough media hyperbole to know it's not time to panic yet.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 27, 2014 - 09:51am PT
I'm in the water business.

I've got a good handle on what's being done and what's been in process for decades.

Your bills are going up, but the taps aren't going to run dry if you are in a metropolitan area. (or even someplace like Jtree)


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:05am PT
Besides transport projects, just about every waste treatment plant in California either now has or will have at least tertiary treatment and full reclaimed water use.

Some of the plants go even farther with RO treatment to drinking water standards.



http://cdmsmith.com/en-US/Solutions/Water/The-Next-Frontier-of-Water-Reclamation.aspx

OCSD's will be built out to 130mgd San Jose has one too.

Then there are the large desal projects.


http://carlsbad.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/carlsbad-desalination-plant-25-completed-with-expected-2016-opening
Posiedon in Carlsbad has broken ground (50MGD) and there's another large one that will be owned by Cal Water in the preconstruction process in Monterey.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Not to worry.

We can just haul some icebergs down south.

If there are any left this summer...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Not making light of the situation at all. It's likely that at some point agriculture will disappear from California. That will be a deacdes long process.

Why do you say ag will disappear from California?

DMT
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:34am PT
recreational watering for lawns and golf courses needs to be shut down immediately. SoCal is a frikkin desert.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Does it matter where the water came from? Or where it would go if it weren't used to irrigate lawns or golf courses?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:50am PT
In the short term, is JB right to request a 20% decrease in water use?

The 20% decrease was mandated by a program that started several years ago and most agencies are well on their way to compliance.

Most golf course, park and street median irrigation is now done with reclaimed water, other than some areas like Palm Springs.

this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 27, 2014 - 10:50am PT
The air quality is so bad, driving home from Bakersfield last week a little bit of wind made the place look like the dust bowl. Oh wait I wasn't alive for that. We need the rain to clear that sh#t out.
REI in Fresno didn't stock ski and snow this year, Targhetto has bikinis for sale already. Shitty year to be an injured climber.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:00am PT
Does it matter where the water came from? Or where it would go if it weren't used to irrigate lawns or golf courses?

uh yeah, its called FOOD!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:03am PT
A statewide mandate won't help anything.

Individual water districts know full well what their situation is can (and will) mandate restrictions locally as required.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:10am PT
It's so bad I just saw some California Okies heading back to Oklahoma!

Table Mountain, Oroville looking south towards the Sutter Buttes. Norm...
Table Mountain, Oroville looking south towards the Sutter Buttes. Normally a green carpet with many flowers by late January/
Credit: Timid TopRope
this should be green and flowery by late January. Friggin' desert now.
this should be green and flowery by late January. Friggin' desert now.
Credit: Timid TopRope

I've read comparisons to the 75 through 77 drought but after researching I've found those years had some significant rainfall events where as we have had zero so far. The winter of 77-78 rained enough to eliminate the drought conditions of the prior two winters.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:14am PT
People are leaving California...Lack of jobs and high taxes and now lack of water...Too many people and lack of water..Something has to give...Mammoth Mt. just announced the construction of yet another mini village in town...This announcement comes after LADWP sued the Mammoth County Water District reducing the amount of water that will stay in Mammoth Creek...I skied with a local water scientist who keeps informing the local planning commission that there is no more water to be had but this warning falls on deaf ears...Of course any new water exploration gets pasted on to the local rate payers proving that corporate welfare is alive and well..
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Here is a link to a California Water Commission website which shows the current levels of the major reservoirs in the state. Though I am only an amateur scientist, it seems alarming the low level of the reservoirs.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 27, 2014 - 11:28am PT
People are leaving California

Um, no.



Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2014 - 11:30am PT
I say, let's invade BC, and Ireland too. Ireland has the water if you have the means, declare war now.

Build a canal from BC to California, let's suck the Canadians' water, like what was done with the Owen's Valley, Colorado River, northern California water. Those swimming pools in So Cal need watering.

The Canucks won't mind when they are looking at a nuclear missile pointing at them. Bypass Seattle, land of my father and brothers, run it down Highway 395, and drain Tahoe, it's too deep anyway. May be some good climbing there below the water line, when it dries out.

Forget Hetch Hetchy, it's an eyesore anyway.

Water, water, my kingdom for some water.

SoCal is a frikkin desert

Too right Patrick. I blame the Spanish missionaries and then Hollywood and film companies, setting up in what is basically a desert to avoid patent lawsuits in New York.


Actually, there is an ongoing 'scandal' here in Ireland with some of the salaries, benefits and pensions being paid to senior members of Irish Water.

Water meters are being introduced in Ireland now, and State-body Irish Water is the overseer. Ireland has had some water problems, but it is poor infrastructure rather than lack of precipitation (boy, do we get that), leaking pipes, corrupt officials and politicians.

It is just a matter of time before Irish Water is privatized, as in many other countries. And who is positioning himself to take over, that billionaire D O'B ("I am not a crook", Richard Nixon, November 1973), though the Moriarty Tribunal thinks otherwise. But no smoking gun and now he's flying Bill Clinton around on his (Denny's) private Gulfstream, rubbing elbows with other (crooked???) billionaires in Davos. Denis is NOT crooked by the way. And don't let it on, but I free-soloed The Nose, bypassing the chiseled holds.

O’Brien paid €45 million to take control of Siteserve, a company which has been described as an ‘infrastructure and utilities support services’ business. But one of its divisions is in civil engineering and its activities are described as ‘water networks rehabilitation/water meters’.

Damn, I should have gotten into the brown envelope game instead of journalism.

Back to water, Ireland has plenty but it is mismanaged. Likewise in California… mismanagement that is.

Climate change? History would show that weather patterns in California have been much the same over the decades. Is this changing? Time will tell.
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