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karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 8, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
Here is another poll that need our yes vote.

http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/on-the-town/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/3/7/seaworld_orca_ban.html#.UxungXqovBk.facebook

This is so great!
This could really happen!

This is the letter I sent to Assemblyman Bloom

Kudos to California for taking a stand on banning captive orcas! The physcological damaging affect of being captive, forced to entertain, and being in an unhealthy sized tank is so overwhelming to Cetaceans. I hope other states and countries will follow suit. I also wish that the bill would cover dolphins too. Theses Cetaceans are highly intelligent and social creatures, being captive for the sole purpose of entertainment for humans is indubitably wrong on so many levels. I have seen both orcas and dolphins in the wild in their natural state.
Sea World will survive. A company that make 2.5 billion dollars per year can afford to build some rides and entertain it's customers in another manner. Heck, I'll even go there if they stop this inhumane practice!
THANK YOU FOR THIS PROPOSED BILL!
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2014 - 03:43pm PT
https://www.change.org/petitions/state-rep-toni-atkins-please-support-blackfishbill-to-ban-orca-captivity-in-ca

Credit: karen roseme
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 9, 2014 - 06:48pm PT
Scott, whales will do fine in the wild. Certain cultures need to adapt though. Namely, Japanese, Chinese and Scandanavian cultures who continue to rape the oceans of whales, dolphins, and sharks.

Karen should re-focus her attention on that, not on US facilities that use them for entertainment. It's not really right, but we aren't killing them!

We are the nicest people on Earth when it comes to sea-mammals. We preserve them, and nurture them.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 9, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
Yeah, I'll step out yer way, Scott. You're the logical one here...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 9, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
If the whales are turned loose, they'll just beat it back up to Penn Cove where they came from, and spend their days begging for sardines while doing tricks for the tourists at the Coupeville Wharf.

Why wouldn't they? What else do they know?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 9, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
Karen should re-focus her attention on that, not on US facilities that use them for entertainment. It's not really right, but we aren't killing them!

Good point. The environmental movement is simply trying to take advantage of the moment with this film "Blackfish" out there ---much like the anti-nuclear movement successfully did with "The China Syndrome" many years ago. Part of the political and propaganda synergy between the Hollywood /film establishment and the activist left.

Environmental movements around the world are linked ---but also clearly have their own spheres of influence and political pedaling ---driven by money, and even electoral politics.
US environmental groups would never think of interfering with, say, any European problem with the Scandinavians killing some whales---this is the strict domain of the various Green Parties in Europe. Likewise with elsewhere, like Japan.

This" Blackfish problem " recently identified , is predicated on ramping up a new political and PR front for the US environmental movement in order to improve donations and support. (They should have timed this Blackfish thing to come out slightly before the mid-term elections next November.)

Personally I think they ought to open the gates and free Willy---let him come back and do some tricks to earn a paycheck like the rest of us, if he wants----so , leave the gates open.
AVAST !!! Ye landlubbers...

karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 9, 2014 - 11:25pm PT
petitlitterateur Suq Madiq 2 days ago
This won't kill tourism. For crap's sake, the bill even allows them to *keep the orcas on display in sea pens that can be open to the public.* It just doesn't allow marine parks to keep orcas in cement tanks that damage their mental wellbeing, and doesn't let them use orcas for entertainment. Come on, folks. We're all at least a little bit literate, right? We can read basic information about a piece of legislation, right?



Stephen Pingpourri Suq Madiq 2 days ago
SeaWorld is a PR disaster... the moral argument about keeping orcas in captivity is not going to go away. That part of SaWorld is finished. This bill will only speed up a process that has already started. Cali needs to invest in tourism that isn't going to eventually cause moral outrage.


KJR 2 days ago
Bravo to State Assembly member Richard Bloom... He is a Hero. .... And applause to Dr. Naomi Rose and Gabriela Cowperthwaite as well. It is about time somebody did SOMETHING Here's to hoping the bill becomes a law! This would be a huge positive step towards freedom for cetaceans. And hopefully snowballs to other states like FL & TX!!!

ericmills a day ago
Heartfelt thanks to Assemblymember Richard Bloom for this long overdue legislation. I only wish it covered ALL captive cetaceans, and not just the orcas (the largest member of the dolphin family). A major move in the right direction, nonetheless.

AB 2140 will likely be assigned to the Assembly Water, Parks & Wildlife Committee for a hearing in late March. The committee is chaired by Assemblymember Anthony Rendon. Other members are Frank Bigelow, Travis Allen, Raul Bocanegra, Brian Dahle, Paul Fong, Jim Frazier, Beth Gaines, Mike Gatto, Jimmy Gomez, Lorena Gonzalez, Adam Gray, Jim Patterson, Freddie Rodriguez and Mariko Yamada.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP: Support letters are needed NOW. ALL LEGISLATORS MAY BE WRITTEN C/O THE STATE CAPITOL, SACRAMENTO, CA 95814. And send Assemblymember Bloom a thank-you note, too.

I couldn't have said it better!

Coz, why don't you read the whole thread all of you questions are answered
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Mar 9, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
Logical and polite is ok where I come from. Yes ma'am and sir are heard all around town as well.
If sea world was filleting the whales and serving up flipper steaks then I could see being a bit upset. Really though, i guess we should outlaw "ownership" of dogs and cats as well.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 9, 2014 - 11:32pm PT

Good point. The environmental movement is simply trying to take advantage of the moment with this film "Blackfish" out there ---much like the anti-nuclear movement successfully did with "The China Syndrome" many years ago. Part of the political and propaganda synergy between the Hollywood /film establishment and the activist left.

Environmental movements around the world are linked ---but also clearly have their own spheres of influence and political pedaling ---driven by money, and even electoral politics.
US environmental groups would never think of interfering with, say, any European problem with the Scandinavians killing some whales---this is the strict domain of the various Green Parties in Europe. Likewise with elsewhere, like Japan.

This" Blackfish problem " recently identified , is predicated on ramping up a new political and PR front for the US environmental movement in order to improve donations and support. (They should have timed this Blackfish thing to come out slightly before the mid-term elections next November.)

Personally I think they ought to open the gates and free Willy---let him come back and do some tricks to earn a paycheck like the rest of us, if he wants----so , leave the gates open.
AVAST !!! Ye landlubbers...

Rock on, brother.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 10, 2014 - 10:41am PT
How do you respond to the many studies that suggest that the captivity of a few Whales, saves the lives of thousands in the wild, through public awareness?

citations please...
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 10:50am PT
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/california-bill-orca-killer-whale-seaworld/

This is a good article.

"It is time that we embrace that the long-accepted practice of keeping orcas captive for human amusement must end," state Assemblyman Richard Bloom, a Democrat from Santa Monica, said at a press conference Friday at the city's oceanfront pier.

"This is about greed and this is about corporate exploitation, both of the whales and the trainers, but most importantly the whales," said John Hargrove, a former SeaWorld orca trainer who resigned in August 2012.

The proposed law would end performance-based entertainment for all killer whales in California, captive breeding programs and the export and import of genetic material, and the import and export of orcas within the state.
Also, the proposal would retire all captive killer whales to sea pens if available and would allow retired orcas to be on display, but not perform. The bill would limit the amount of human interaction for trainer safety, according to Bloom's fact sheet.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
It's time for SeaWorld to make the leap to actual conservation study that its putative zoo and aquarium colleagues started making more than a half century ago. Whether by way of Bloom's bill or some other measure, orca shows must be relegated to the dustbin of embarrassing historical practices where they belong.


http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewild/commentary/its-time-to-ban-orca-shows-in-california.html

http://www.change.org/petitions/state-rep-toni-atkins-please-support-blackfishbill-to-ban-orca-captivity-in-ca?share
WTF

climber
Mar 11, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
Just curious how much a Dolphin costs. I have this pool its a large one I am willing to convert it to a dolphin pen if its big enough.

Really how cool would that be? I mean people have tigers and lions and snakes, so i want a dolphin whats the big deal?

I'd go whale but that seems like a pain in the ass to clean a giant whale sh#t out of the pool.

Any info would be great thanks.

karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 11, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
https://secure.nrdconline.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3337

I am appalled at the Navy's five-year plan for training and testing with sonar and explosives, which would needlessly kill or maim thousands of whales and other marine mammals. The Navy should be putting safeguards in place that will dramatically reduce the threat to whales without compromising military readiness. But, instead, the Navy is preparing to defend its unconscionable plan in court.

Please sign this petition.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 11, 2014 - 11:40pm PT
Hey Karen why dont you go up to the Quinault resevation in Washington and stand on the beach yelling at them to NOT kill their whales every year. A TR would be cool too.


oh,, and just about each and every ship that sails in the oceans ALL have multiple sonar, depth locator/fish finder equipment that emits signals of all manner, including those tuna haulers that provide yur bud "Nature" on here( the sushi pimp) his tuna.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2014 - 10:14am PT
Credit: karen roseme

http://forcechange.com/18462/stop-sonar-tests-in-whale-inhabited-waters/#gf_15

http://www.savebiogems.org/save-whales-from-sonar/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Protect-Whales-From-Navy-Sonar/

http://www.orcanetwork.org/news/shoup.html

http://www.petition2congress.com/9133/prohibit-military-sonar-seismic-testing-harming-marine-mammals/
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Mar 13, 2014 - 11:58am PT
Whales are nasty creatures who pollute our swimming waters with their poop and pee.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Hey cuvvy,
How is the 2nd grade?
Do you like your teacher?


HELP STOP THE NAVY'S ASSAULT ON WHALES!
The Navy is prepared to kill nearly 1,000 whales and other marine mammals during the next five years of testing and training with dangerous sonar and explosives. Tell Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel to direct the Navy to adopt commonsense safeguards that will protect marine mammals during routine training without compromising military readiness.


http://www.savebiogems.org/action-center/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 13, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
Really though, i guess we should outlaw "ownership" of dogs and cats as well.

Just give 'em some time.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 14, 2014 - 11:37am PT
Credit: karen roseme


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