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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
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They are scarry things to stare down the barrel of, as opposed to all those
less scarry guns. Word on the street in the Panjshir Valley is that the
going rate is now $1400-1500, up from $1000 only a couple of years ago. The
Chicago Merc is missing out on a great futures market.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 23, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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What was that noise?
Sounded like an intruder!!!!???? (Or was it a tube of biscuit dough?)
Get yer AK, Ron...there's work to be done!
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Eclipze
Trad climber
Morris Plains / Givat Haim Ichud Israel
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Dec 23, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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Too erratic for my tastes. I prefer a Tavor or M4 Short. But definitely the most influential firearm since the colt.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 01:51pm PT
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Yeah, cartridge not very accurate at medium range and useless at a distance, but the most reliable battle rifle ever made.
MK didn't make money on the gun because he worked for the State as a designer, but he enjoyed many perks and great status as a hero of the Soviet Union.
I think he even got to meet Garand once.
Amazing he lived so long, probably pickled in vodka.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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Very interesting program on the military channel about the AK47.
Hitler initially forbade the mass production of the sturmgewer, but changed his mind after shooting one.
It wasn't long before a Russian designer took its principles, along with the idea of loose fitting parts for reliability, to create the single weapon with the highest body count of any firearm.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 23, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
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to create the single weapon with the highest body count of any firearm.
How admirable.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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Don't blame the player, blame the game.
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c_vultaggio
Trad climber
new york
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Dec 23, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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I remember reading somewhere a while back that Kalishnikov said he deeply regretted inventing AK57. Can't imagine the weight something like that bears, knowing that your creation, when used correctly, has taken an uncountable number of lives.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
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I don't think that is correct.
I know that Garand and Browning saw themselves as helping the good guys.
And we couldn't have beaten the Nazis without Russia.
It was that experience that Kalashnikov worked from.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
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Toker is correct, naturally, concerning the K-man's status in the Evil Empire.
Cash did one little good, to a point, in the Soviet Union. 'Blat', aka clout,
was where it was at. I'm sure he lived well.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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Our current battle rifle had a start that paralleled the Sturgewer.
Eugene Stoner used his background in aviation design using composites and light alloys to produce a design that looked to many soldiers like a toy.
But when an Air Force officer was given a prototype to try out he liked it so much that they went into production for over 60K rifles for Air Force security personnel and the M16 was off and running.
With more than a half century of service it is now the longest serving rifle in American history.
More accurate, and more versatile than the AK47.
But still not as reliable.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 23, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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Will you still need me,
Will you still FEED me,
When I'm ninety-four?
--A.K. Forty-Seven
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little Z
Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
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Dec 23, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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Yeah, cartridge not very accurate at medium range and useless at a distance, but the most reliable battle rifle ever made.
so, that makes the scene in "The Hurt Locker" where the Iraqui sniper is shooting from like 400 yards with an AK-47 using steel sights and is picking off people left and right sort of bogus, correct?
EDIT: oops, I obviously don't know what I'm talking about. Saw a website devoted to "weapons depicted in Hurt Locker" (isn't the internet wonderful?) which set me straight. The following screne shot was what stuck in my mind...
and yeah, 1 to 1.5 miles is a bit more than 400 yards
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 23, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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His is definitely my weapon of choice should the SHTF.
Kalashnikov's original designs continue to provide quality firepower.
RIP !
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 23, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
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so, that makes the scene in "The Hurt Locker" where the Iraqui sniper is shooting from like 400 yards with an AK-47 using steel sights and is picking off people left and right sort of bogus, correct?
The sniper you refer to in the film Hurt Locker uses a Romanian built FPK / PSL Sniper Rifle chambered in 7.62x54mm.
While this weapon is capable of doing the actions portrayed in the film it would take an incredible marksman and a lot of luck.
The house the sniper shoots from is suppose to be 1 to 1.5 miles away. The Barret .50 cal BMG the soilders are using would still put a hole in a wall from that distance. The FPK/PSL would not.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 23, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
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What makes this AK-47 such a reliable rifle?
It never jams with dirt and mud all over it?
It's rust proof?
What else?
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Dec 23, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
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The reliability actually comes from the fact that the tolerances are loose and the parts that make up the weapon are not as precision as say a high quality hunting rifle.
The downside is, when and if it does jam it is less likely it can be cleared quickly in the field.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
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pud,
you've actually had one jam?
I have Gallils, a Mak 90, and a Draco and they have never jammed on me in over 10K rds!
Thanks for pointing out the 7.62X 54mm rimmed. Yeah that center mass shot from 1.5m would have to be pretty damned lucky with something having little more punch than a .308
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Dec 23, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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I wonder how much Kalashnikov borrowed from the design of the German Sturmgewehr 44, which came out, as its name indicates, about 3 years earlier?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44
Says in the Wiki that the mechanics varied a lot. But what were the differences?
Youth wants to know!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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Mikhail Kalashnikov - "I sleep well."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
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Sully, you're so right, grilling is a much overlooked health risk.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
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Looks like just another sausage fest at C4.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 23, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
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Samuel Colt Big Johnson Remington Smith Wesson Jones Lettuce Kill III.
RIP.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 23, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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I heard on "All Things Considered" today that
he'd have been happy inventing a good lawn mower!
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Dec 24, 2013 - 01:21am PT
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Never cared for the way an AK works. Sorry dudes, no hard-on. And, another dead guy.
Gun nuts cry goodbye, anti-gunners cry 'cause he wasn't the victim of his own design. meh.
It's funny, around this website I think the majority tends to be anti-gun. Or at least the majority of very loud people.
Then, over on the 4x4 website some Reno doctor writes a letter pleading for change in the gun laws (but also to protect the rights of sportsmen) and all of the posts absolutely call him out as a flaming liberal commie scumbag.
Geez. you people.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 24, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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You gotta watch out for them Rooskie gangs!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 24, 2013 - 01:26am PT
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Masters of Sport don't need no stinkin' jobs!
But a number of them were more than willing to give up their Order of Lenin
for a hot Alaskan chick with a 44 Magnum (keepin' the gun thang goin').
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 24, 2013 - 09:58am PT
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I am proud of my weapon but I am sad that terrorists use it, he told the Russian online publication newsru.com in 2009. I wish I had invented a machine which people could use, which could do good for farmers for example, a sowing machine.
The guy sure helped kill a lot of American boys.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 24, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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There is no doubt that the human race would still do just fine killing each other without the AK or the AR platforms....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 24, 2013 - 10:56am PT
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Russia has announced funeral arrangements for Lt. Gen. Mikhail T. Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK-47 assault rifle.
Comrade Kalashnikov will be buried in a pit of mud with full military honors, said General-Major Saiga Molot, a spokesman for the Russian army. After a week, we will exhume his body, clean it off, and put him back to work. We expect that there shall be no issue with his functions.
Kalashnikov died of complications from a liver transplant operation. The liver Kalashnikov received was allegedly Romanian, but turned out to be a substandard Albanian version.
It was a successful substitution, but it made him inaccurate and prone to blockage, said his son, Victor.
http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/12/mikhail-kalashnikov-dead/
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 24, 2013 - 11:44am PT
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armalites sent alot more soul to heaven than the AK ever did [Click to View YouTube Video]
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 24, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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MK's life was very interesting. His family were 'kulaks' and, as such, were
considered 'enemies of the people' because, despite being illiterate peasants,
they managed to thrive. Their farm was litquidated and they were shipped
off to Siberia. The nature of Russian patriotism being what it is this
did not prevent MK from becoming one, at least publicly. There are either
some typos or some inaccurate translations in the following but it is still
very good.
LA Times obit:
Mikhail Kalashnikov dies at 94; creator of the AK-47 assault rifle
Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47, sometimes called the Kalashnikov, became the world's most ubiquitous weapon. For the most part, Kalashnikov defended his brainchild, designed 'for the glory of the Soviet army.' But he admitted: 'I am sad that terrorists use it.'
By Steve Chawkins
December 23, 2013, 1:18 p.m.
Interviewers always asked Mikhail Kalashnikov the same question and he always gave the same answer: Yes, he could sleep at night. Quite easily, thank you.
Kalashnikov, creator of the AK-47, a cheap, simple, rugged assault rifle that became the weapon of choice for more than 50 standing armies as well as drug lords, street gangs, revolutionaries, terrorists, pirates and thugs the world over, died Monday at a hospital in Izhevsk, the capital of the Russian republic of Udmurtia, according to a government spokesman. Kalashnikov was 94.
Over six decades, the AK-47 sometimes called the Kalashnikov became a staple in guerrilla raids and gang drive-bys. It was so easy to operate that children as well as professional soldiers could fire 650 deadly bursts per minute.
In Vietnam, the Viet Cong used AK-47s while moisture and muck sometimes jammed more precise American M16s. In Rwanda, some 800,000 Tutsi villagers were slaughtered with machetes and AK-47s. With its distinctive banana-shaped clip, the weapon was a favorite of Yasser Arafat, Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, who had one nearby in almost every photograph. In Africa, Mozambique placed a silhouetted AK-47 on its flag, crossed with a hoe.
A diminutive, white-haired man with the honorary rank of general, Kalashnikov was revered throughout Russia and the other republics of the former Soviet Union. A Kalashnikov museum in Izhevsk, the once-closed industrial city in the Urals where he spent much of his career, draws 10,000 visitors a month. Anniversaries of the gun's 1947 birth are duly noted; at a ceremony for its 60th birthday in 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin called it "a symbol of the creative genius of our people".
In a November interview with the Los Angeles Times, Russian arms expert Igor Korotchenko called Kalashnikov one of the greatest weapons designers of all time.
"If Colt designed a handgun which made all Americans equal, Kalashnikov invented a weapon which made it possible for many countries to fight for their independence and win it," said Korotchenko, a retired Russian colonel who edits Nastionalnaya Oborona, a Moscow-based national defense magazine.
Historians say the AK-47 and its spinoffs changed combat forever. While they aren't as accurate as other guns or as effective at long distances, they weigh only eight pounds and have few moving parts. Child soldiers can take them apart and put them back together in 30 seconds. They can tolerate sand, grit, mud and humidity. They work just as well in jungle and swamp as on city streets.
"Together these traits meant that once this weapon was distributed, the small-statured, the mechanically disinclined, the dimwitted and the untrained might be able to wield, with little difficulty or instruction, a lightweight automatic rifle that could push out blistering fire for the lengths of two or three football fields," wrote journalist C.J. Chivers in "The Gun", his 2010 book about the AK-47.
On top of that, the AK-47 short for Avtomat Kaloshnikova 1947 is everywhere. It can be purchased in some countries for "less than the cost of a live chicken," according to author Larry Kahaner. By some estimates, it is the world's most abundant firearm, with one for every 70 of the men, women and children on Earth.
Its spread "helps explain why, since World War II, so many 'small wars' have lingered far beyond the months and years one might expect," Kahaner wrote in the Washington Post. "Indeed, for all the billions of dollars Washington has spent on space-age weapons and military technology, the AK still remains the most devastating weapon on the planet, transforming conflicts from Vietnam to Afghanistan to Iraq."
In news reports over the years, Kalashnikov appeared to be of mixed minds about his brainchild. At one point, he spoke of establishing a fund for gunshot victims.
"I am proud of my weapon but I am sad that terrorists use it," he told the Russian online publication newsru.com in 2009. "I wish I had invented a machine which people could use, which could do good for farmers for example, a sowing machine."
But for the most part, he vigorously defended his namesake weapon.
"I designed the Kalashnikov for my motherland, for the glory of the Soviet army," he said, choking with emotion during a 1997 interview with the Moscow Times. "If it has fallen into the wrong hands, that is not my business."
In his later years, Kalashnikov was pleased to learn that former rebels in Africa were naming their firstborn sons "Kalash."
And he was proud that his tiny hometown on the Russian steppes had erected a bronze bust of its most famous son.
Newlyweds dropped by to lay flowers beside it, he told the Associated Press in 2007.
"They whisper, 'Uncle Misha, wish us happiness and healthy kids,'" he said. "What other gun designer can boast of that?"
Born on Nov. 10, 1919, in Kurya, a remote village in south central Russia, Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov was one of 18 children. Only eight survived to adulthood.
A sickly boy who built toy guns, he was the son of an illiterate mother and a barely literate father. After Stalin ordered the collectivization of farms in 1929, local officials slaughtered the Kalashnikovs' animals, seized their hardscrabble property, and sent the family to Siberia, transported in cattle cars with other dispossessed farmers.
Kalashnikov made it through ninth grade, taught by deportees in a school that lacked even paper. His father, broken by the ordeal, died during a blizzard. For days, the family sat indoors with the body. Kalashnikov recalled a man who, in happier times, would break out in song.
"It seemed to me that I was just about to hear him say something softly in his confident, deep voice," Kalashnikov wrote in "From a Stranger's Doorstep to the Kremlin's Gates", a 1997 memoir. "But no, he did not sing of the 'sacred Baikal,' the tramp was not running down a narrow path, and the Cossack was not galloping across a valley.... There was only the vicious snowstorm raging around our hut."
As a teenager, Kalashnikov fled 600 miles to his hometown, gazed at the ashes of his torched family home, and headed with a friend to Kazakhstan. He picked up a job as a clerk for the Turkestan-Siberian Railway and was recruited into the Young Communist League, but for decades afterward feared that his family's exile would brand him an enemy of the state.
With World War II looming, he was drafted into the Soviet Army and was made a tank sergeant. Seriously wounded in 1941, he spent six months recovering, all the while sketching out designs for better Soviet guns. He'd seen his fellow troops struggle on the battlefield with cumbersome, 50-year-old rifles and even then, they sometimes had to share weapons as Nazi soldiers mowed them down with automatics.
On leave, he returned to his old railroad office in Kazakhstan and, by his account, persuaded machinists there to help him craft a prototype weapon. It was a flop but got him a job in a military design bureau. Over five years, he fine-tuned it, drawing ideas from German and American weapons.
He also relied on colleagues, though historians argue over just who contributed what.
In 1947, he won a secret, state-sponsored contest for design of the Red Army's new mainstay weapon. His prototype assault rifles had made many cuts, having been drenched in salt water, dropped on concrete, and dragged through mud. Soldiers tested its ballistics by firing into dead animals, first requesting vodka for the task.
At last, a breathless assistant told him the Main Artillery Directorate had made its choice: "Today, you must dance, Mikhail Timofeyovich!"
Weeks later, the first AK-47s were in production. Soviet soldiers, who wore them in special pouches to hide their design, used them in the 1956 Hungarian uprising, killing thousands.
With the help of a huge Soviet propaganda campaign, Kalashnikov became known as a larger-than-life patriot. He was given a dacha a lakeside summer lodge and was named a deputy in the Supreme Soviet. While official biographies left out portions of his life like his family's travails under Stalin he became "an approved symbol of the proletariat," Chivers wrote.
But in later years, he had moments of resignation.
In Afghanistan and Chechnya, after all, the AK-47 had been used against the very Soviet troops it was meant to help.
Kalashnikov insisted his intent had been only to arm his countrymen.
But, as he told a French journalist in 2006, he still had to live with the rest of it.
"Where the goat is tied," he said, citing a favorite proverb, "there she must graze."
Kalashnikov is survived by a son, two daughters and two grandsons.
steve.chawkins@latimes.com
Times staff writer Sergei L. Loiko contributed to this report from Moscow
http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-mikhail-kalashnikov-20131224,0,474931.story#ixzz2oPmYjDrt
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Oh, and for the anti-gun crowd wouldn't it be more accurate to blame the
creation of the AK-47 on the Hapsburgs and the Romanovs?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 29, 2013 - 12:29am PT
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Wounded Knee Reservation, 1973
Why would any reasonable person ever want one of these? Ask the dude in the picture. He looks pretty happy, to me.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 29, 2013 - 01:37am PT
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Walt Kowalski... " I blow a hole in you and sleep like a baby.."
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