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Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 20, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
I figured I'd start a thread, considering this topic is going to be newsworthy over the next two months.

My opening salvo has nothing to do with athletic competition.

I'm curious about the political ramifications for the host country. Earlier this week, it was announced that Obama will be sending two openly gay delegates to represent the US at the upcoming Olympics. Most people considered this an affront to Russia's discriminatory policies and laws against homosexuals. Additionally, Obama will not be attending the Olympics. Both seem to be a slap in the face to Putin.

On a different note, Mikhail Borisovich Khodorkovsky was recently "pardoned" by Putin. While this was apparently done to make Putin look good, some experts are saying this transparent gesture won't fool anyone.... that Putin is just as dirty and underhanded as ever.

Back when China was preparing for their Olympics, they was a lot of talk about China not delivering the goods. In my opinion, China did a fantastic job. It definitely helped their international reputation.

With Russia, I expect they will put on a very mediocre Olympics. It will not help Putin's reputation. That's just my gut feeling.

What do you guys think?
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Putin is against gays???

Credit: moosedrool
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
I'm curious about the political ramifications for the host country. Earlier this week, it was announced that Obama will be sending two openly gay delegates to represent the US at the upcoming Olympics. Most people considered this an affront to Russia's discriminatory policies and laws against homosexuals. Additionally, Obama will not be attending the Olympics. Both seem to be a slap in the face to Putin.

Just wondering which actual discriminatory policies and laws are there in Russia against homosexuals? Homosexuality is not outlawed there as far as I know. They even had some “Gay Pride” marches that were allowed in a few cities. They are usually not allowed though because the population strikes against them and they get violent sometimes, so authorities do not want to deal with this mess.

Free forum for all to post of course, but to mix a beautiful event like Olympics with politics is not a great idea. I am hoping to see a good show from all the nations and athletes competing against each other with class and respect, no matter from which country they are from or which sexual orientation they are.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Dec 20, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-anti-gay-bill-passes-protesters-detained/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia


Get your head out of the sand. Oh and the Olympics ARE Politics.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 02:08pm PT


You must be joking. Everything where humans interact is political no matter what the premiss. I understand what you're getting at..... just relax and enjoy the athletic performance. We will, but to ignore that the only reason that any country bids on it at all is for entirely political / economic reasons (Russia no exception) is more than just a little myopic.

Besides what else is there to talk about.... bouldering?


Also Vitaly, if you are unaware of the institutional homophobia / oppression going on right now in Russia, I would imagine you don't pay attention to politics much. To each his own I guess but don't expect your kids to have much of a future - especially if they are gay - if you don't.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Vitaliy,

Are you Russian?
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 20, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
passes bill that bans the distribution of information about homosexuality to children

What is wrong about passing a bill that bans distribution of information about homosexuality to CHILDREN?
Personally, I think gay pride parades in US are way out of control. Fully nude people walking around during a public gathering is way out of line. I think if people learned moderation it would be much better. Respect gay rights, and respect the other members of community who do not care to see your junk out no matter if you are gay, straight, or a combination.

Are you Russian?
No, Ukrainian.

Also Vitaly, if you are unaware of the institutional homophobia / oppression going on right now in Russia, I would imagine you don't pay attention to politics much.

And yes, I do not follow politics much. To me climbing is a way to keep my head out of that useless pile of sh#t that divides humans all over the world. But how can you be so sure about what media feeds to you if you do not even live there? When I watched Russian TV I was in shock about the kind of sh#t I heard about US. I think the media here does the same to Russia to make it seem way worse than it is. People should find ways to connect vs find ways to call the other country savage.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
a useless pile of sh#t that divides people all over the world?

Perhaps you can also tell us what units us all over the world? Bouldering perhaps?


Look pal, you might also ask yourself why you are so willing to minimize the actual effect the Russian legislation has. Protect children? From what? Do they also have legislation that targets heterosexual propaganda similarly?

Perhaps because you give this stuff no thought is the reason you are not so discerning.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 20, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Perhaps you can also tell us what units us all over the world?

Maybe it is international events like the Olympics, where people from all over the world compete in a a (hopefully) friendly and respectful manner. To me Olympics is an event to celebrate unity of all nations. World is whatever YOU make it out to be IN YOUR HEAD. To me Olympics is a great event I used to watch when I was a kid. Without caring about from which country the athletes were, what orientation, they showed some great stories about what some went through to get where they were. Actually in a way I liked how they showed Olympics back in Ukraine, they did not focus on JUST Ukrainian athletes, and showed off and talked about everyone. I liked it that way.

Anyway, Russia is a third world country, so why are you surprised that the way people view the world is different there? In US the Civil Rights Act was passed only in 1964 and blacks were allowed to vote only in 1965! And racism and homophobia still lives on in many communities. If you fill your head with everything that is WRONG OUT THERE IN THE WORLD you will not have enough time to enjoy the beauties of this world. Anyway, I stated my view and do not care to argue any longer. Carry on...
hotlum

climber
Oregon
Dec 20, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Anyone know the actual conditions right now? Is there plenty of snow at the venues?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Maybe it is international events like the Olympics, where people from all over the world compete in a a (hopefully) friendly and respectful manner.

Yeah yeah I got that the first time, but that is how it is for the competitors focusing on performance, not the rest of us. Hell even for them its the politics of doping, cheating, training, who's screwing who, queer or straight, lining up for the big corporate sponsorship..... politics.

Look at it this way - what is so interesting about climbing? It is the act of course, but only in the moment. Everything else is politics, such as this forum. Sure you can pretend to be some sort of aesthetic mystic and claim that the reality in your own head is only the act in the moment but like any other delusional nonsense it requires that you filter out quite a bit of other stuff..... conveniently.

Anyway, for someone who claims no interest in politics you certainly hold some opinion about when blacks allegedly got the vote and the alleged third world status of a nation about to host the Olympics.

whats that all about? Shouldn't you be ignoring all that messy detail?
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Dec 20, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
To me climbing is like meditating. Helps to keep out of useless internet debates about politics. Debate about gay rights in a country where I do not vote and never lived seems especially moronic, to me. There is no reason for me to get worked up over Russian politics. Only reason I opened this thread is because it is titled “2014 Winter Olympics,” and if it was titled “Gay rights in Russia” I would not open it. As I stated above, Olympics to me is an international event where me as a spectator learns the positives about other nations and athletes. It is a place for unity, not a place to point fingers at other participants and laugh because we are so superior. That is why I replied and stated my opinion. When I opened the link to that article I also remembered when in Health Ed class a transgender person came in to speak to our class (Health Ed). I was 14 back than and though it was inappropriate. Don’t see the need for members of sexual minorities to address classes filled with 14 year olds with intention to prove it is normal to cut your penis off and replace it with a vagina/hormonal therapy. So obviously I do have opinions, but tend to avoid useless online arguments with other members of the site because I am not here to talk politics. I am here to get excited about climbing, and I respect opinions of others, even when I do not agree with them. Is that ok with you?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 20, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Besides what else is there to talk about.... bouldering?



That would be cool. Bouldering does unite many of us Bruce;-)

I worked right in the middle of the Vancouver/Whistler Olympics. Thought it was gonna be the worst, it was actually an amazing experience. So much fun & so many great people from all over the world enjoying our backyard- kind of.


Gotta say though, out of all the countries, of all the guests, from all around the world-The Russian teams & support were the most pretentious as#@&%es to deal with, it was really quite amazing & actually quite funny. When we would serve them we would play games to see if anyone could actually get them to smile- nobody could! Cheapest fukkers too when it came to leaving a tip! I'm sure it's an elitist thing there to be involved in the Olympics & to them, anybody here who was not was just a peasant or at least that is how we were treated. I'm sure that there is lots of great people there but the impression they left on many around here by the representatives they sent was that people are not equal. I got the vibe that there probably isn't much of a middle class there.


Anyways, there was talk up until last summer about Sochi not having their venues ready & a chance that the previous host would host again? But apparently they just plowed through some villages, banishing the residents from their homes with no retribution or warning & destroyed some wildlife preserves without more than a short environmental assessment to get their hwy in place so it looks like all systems are a go. Apparently the Russian mob makes great contractors & know how to get sh#t done quick! I'm sure they will put on a good show if there isn't a revolt!!


http://nosochi2014.com/news/mgimo-meeting-highlights-russian-worries-about-circassian-campaign-against-sochi-games.php


http://www.outsideonline.com/adventure-travel/europe/russia/The-Zoich-Olympics.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10414885/Sochi-chaos-behind-the-scenes-of-worlds-most-expensive-Winter-Olympics.html





Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
.... bouldering?

You should know I was just trying to get a rise out of my favorite target Ryan...

And It worked - WOO HOO !!


But I could just as easily have said sledding, or alpine climbing for that matter. Sure you can talk about it, but after a while if you're not talking about the people involved such as your story of the russian big tippers, your just talking stats.

But I'll leave it alone. By the way I checked out your link:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10414885/Sochi-chaos-behind-the-scenes-of-worlds-most-expensive-Winter-Olympics.html

and had to laugh at " massive corruption, shoddy workmanship and spiralling costs"

So hows the mold and leaks going up at the ol' athletes village these days?

I made a killing renting my house out, all on the backs of the Tax payers of Canada. 3 weeks at 40k and when I got back, I swear not a single RCMP officer had even set foot in it.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
Putin's easing up all right. That's a classic Russian military maneuver
before a big attack. And as regards Khodorkovsky that is a classic pick-pocket's
ploy - distract the mark while you pinch his wallet. The same with the
Sochi games. Putin is using that as a juicy lure for the Chechens to bite on.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Pretty low class for obama to send lesbos to represent him in a country where its people have been against homosexuality by a majority. He USES them and who they are as a political tool- slap in the face. Wonder how they will actually be received there. If i were a lesbo i would have told obama to stuff it. Obama never sends BACON over to the ME for gifts.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Really? sending over a Champion Tennis Player, one of the Best to ever play the game is a slap in the Face? You've got issues, but we all know that. . .So I guess if the majority of Americans feel that Black people shouldn't vote, it's okay?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:53pm PT


JCVD, Putin and the Last Emperor in one shot?

Too much asskicking clumped together.








Putin on the Ritz...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Good Try Bullwinkle,, but LESBIANS are indeed a slap to Russia, and Putin, period. Now PERHAPS you think it ok for them to be used as a tool like that. Which is what they are, a political tool, and a cheap one at that.

Obama is still butthurt over his Syria war getting the kaibosh by putin.

There is no mistaking the intent here. And it has nothing to do with the acceptability of homosexuality..



edit: Putin on the ritz = HILARIOUS!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Russia's politics are f*#ked up. Let's not pretend they aren't.

Who cares if its 2 lesbians? Or 2 black people or 2 PHD's or 2 babies or 2....

If Obama (which, I understand, no one likes right now) chose someone just to stir the pot, and the pot is stirred by the presence of homosexuals, is Obama really the bad guy here?




Maybe because he drone strikes children. Not because he thinks anti-gay policies are lame.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Dec 20, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
It has EVERYTHING to do with making a Statment, by sending over TWO Gay Champions Obama is saying it doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is. . .But you dont seem to be able to grasp that, or much else. . .Anyway your slur (Lesbos) shows us who you really are, a frightened little man. . .
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Ron ( god all mighty I can't believe I'm actually trying to communicate....) what would you say was the highlight of the 1936 Olympics, by anyones standard?

Thats right, you guys sending a Black man to shove Hitlers own face up his own ass.


One can only hope that in this case, not only america will do the same, but every country that has any guts to make a statement against bigotry and oppression in a country that has the nerve to use the Olympics to claim otherwise
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Do a bit of research before condemning Obama for not going to the Olympics:

WASHINGTON - President Bush is so emphatic about going to the Olympics in China that one might think flying halfway around the globe to attend the games is what presidents do.

But never before has an American leader shown up at an Olympics on foreign soil. And Bush is doing more than just dropping by. He is planning to soak in as much as he can, with large blocs on his Beijing schedule devoted to watching athletes compete.

Maybe the gay delegation is a bit of an insult, but not attending the games is not a meaningful event. Bush was the only one to do it and only that one time. It would be unusual for Obama to attend, and probably a security nightmare for him.

Dave
WTF

climber
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
The US team should have all the opening ceremonies outfits be the rainbow colors.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
Bullwinkle,ill have you know , since the time i discovered Linda Perry was a lesbian i have been mad at them all. POPPED my bubble that.

But that isnt the point here. Its obama continuing the decline of the USA abroad is what it is really. Weve seen russian diplomats using the NUKE word recently too. This is just a political dig. It is obvious to all but a blind man.



GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Its obama continuing the decline of the USA abroad is what it is really.


Wouldn't this



hurt our foreign image more? just curious.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Ron, the foreign policy genius. It's a wonder the State Dept. doesn't have a hot line to his house.

The President made the right call regarding he Olympics. He has not attended any others.
And Ron, he has made the US much safer. You're wrong again.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
I'm sooo concerned about our nation's image in Butthurtistan.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Ron -answer my question. In fact I'm upgrading my assessment of Jesse Owens dropping his drawers and defecating on the Nazi flag one of the finest Olympic moments of the 20th century.

Can you explain exactly what the difference is with Obama and his "lesbos" as you so contemptuously call them?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
First Bruce, i call a friend a lesbo all the time and she prefers it that way.. So it must be YOUR feminine side twitching there.

As for obamas move it was cheap imo. Do ANY OF YOU remember just months back when he told NBC that he would strike Syria even without congressional approval? I hope the hell you do. Because he was going to strike RUSSIAN concerns. Why do you THINK the russians now talk about NUCLEAR responses to conventional aggression's? He has respun the wheels of the cold war and done nicely at it.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Fine - don't answer.

Let me tell you something aszhole, If we were in the same room right now I would have to exercize some restraint to avoid removing all three of your front teeth. I have lesbian friends and you clearly consider them as inferior to yourself and you are not shy about it.

Unless I am somehow mistaken? Explain.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
Eat crap Bruce...

I NEVER inferred lesbians are LESS than me or anyone else. I said they do represent a sexuality minority which is fakt. I said they are a slap to Russia and that is also fact.

How does that differ from Owens and Hitler- not much. But then we ended up going to war with Hitler. Wanna go to war with Putin???

My Lesbo friend would kick the arses of all yurzzz...nanner nanner...

Your a SNAG of the first order...



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
whatever a snag is, at least I have an IQ greater than the number of teeth in my mouth

more than you can say

Have you ever thought of going to A&E to start a reality TV series? You could call it entrails and homophobia Dynasty.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 20, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
How does that differ from Owens and Hitler- not much. But then we ended up going to war with Hitler. Wanna go to war with Putin???

wat
wat
Credit: GDavis
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 20, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
S.N.A.G. = sensitive new aged guy...


My IQ the last i tested was 134 on the low scale...If you have more teeth than that you should be a mill saw and not a nail pounder.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 20, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
My IQ the last i tested was 134




Age 14?


Before a career of formaldahyde and epoxy resin?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 20, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Bruce, I had a few friends who rented their places to the fuzz as well. Pretty sweet deal, I wish I woulda jumped on it but there was no way in hell I could get outta work for the month of feb. let alone during Olympics.

As for athletes village, a friend had the contract to frame them all. They seriously got to screw the pooch & took their sweet ass time, making sure to milk it for all it was worth. Deep pockets surround the Olympics like not many other things in this world.

BTW feb 2010 was some of the greatest times I ever had on Whistler mountain, ski tourists were non existent. La Niña delivered heaps of pow & we had the hill to ourselves the entire time. Creekside was closed but there was an increased bus service (every 4 min) so I spent the month riding the south western aspects to the valley & catching the bus back to the village. We renamed $1,000,000 ridge $2 ridge & got to break a lot of trail into a lot of usually beat down, Aussie pillaged runs. Some great fun I wouldn't have traded for any amount of cash now that I think about it.



The thing that's funny is that Sochi is a summer resort, they might not even have any snow!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 20, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
The last olympics was awesome!

My favorite part.



And then they won 31 medals.

Is that DMT on the left?
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2013 - 11:16am PT
A reality TV hillbilly states his opinion about gays. He doesn't do anything against them. He just states his opinion.

Much of Russia embraces an anti-gay attitude/policy that's akin to our Jim Crow era.

Which one gets the liberals all worked up?

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 22, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Into the xmas rum a little early sketch?


There's no surprise whats going on in Russia. It is after all one of the finest examples of right wing authoritarianism leveraging entrenched religious bigotry, ignorance and an adoration of cohersive force.

Please refer to your own Olympic thread to see how the majority view Russian politics ... which curiously enough mirrors Duck politics.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
The liberals can care less about the hillbilly.
We think he will get what he deserves, more bad PR are a place in hell along with all the other right wing losers.

it's the right wingers that are going crazy that he got Cancelled
They can't believe that a Corporation doesn't provide the Rights of Free speech like our Liberal U.S. Constitution.

The liberals are very upset about Russia's digression to a more Right Wing tyranny.

sketch, our new poster boy for being WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING
Congrates

I agree that the claims of Robertson's suspension being a violation of his Constitutional rights is idiotic. That doesn't make my claims less true.

Instead of being an ignorant, snarky, little bitch, look around. The Duck Dynasty threads have nearly 500 posts. There's a handful of posts about Russia's anti-gay zeitgeist.

Get a clue.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
see how the majority view Russian politics ... which curiously enough mirrors Duck politics.

Dude, you can't be serious. Do you really think the majority of Americans
think that Russian politics is even remotely as important as Duck politics?
SHEESH!

And, furthermore, being a geographer I distinctly recall a poll done of
US college juniors which showed that only 40% could find Moscow on a map.
(within the time limit, of course)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 22, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
The real question about the Winter Olympics, as usual, is if team Canada is going to kick USA or Russkie ass in the gold medal hockey game.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
What did you say Ryan? We're going to stick it in their ASS????!!!?

Thats gross unless your a hockey player.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 22, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
So nobody's gay in Russia? I'm not sure I understand what this thread is about anymore. Definitely looking forward to some gambling on this thread if these Olympics actually happen tho!!

Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
"We think he will get what he deserves, more bad PR are a place in hell along with all the other right wing losers."

hahahhaa! Really good, Dr. F.

Something tells me the same old arguments will be going on down there in a more heated way. And by then, both sides get pitchforks to drive home their arguments.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jan 28, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/winter-olympics-2014-should-americans-go-to-sochi/


Olympics start next week. What's the deal here? Is the above link just a ploy so the Americans can save face & not lose in hockey again? Or is it a preemptive excuse for when they do lose that they were under to much pressure? Why is it assumed that the terrorists only want to attack Americans anyways. Time will tell!!


Still no gambling either! That's what this thread should be all about!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 28, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
OK Ryan,I will take the USA vs Canada,if they get to play each other,in hockey .
What would you like to bet,say a local microbrew?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 5, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
Wilbeer, just saw this now. You are so on, local 12pack sounds great! We can figure the rest out later.


Hopefully the US team has more comfy digs than we do. Looks like the media buzz on the sochi scene is less than flattering for team Putin. What an embarrassment to the IOC buncha greedy, corrupt SOB's! These are going to be the most jingus Olympics ever!


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-light-bulbs-no-shower-202446023.html



WTF

climber
Feb 5, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
Only 350,000 tickets still available .

The IOC is the most corrupt organization in sport today. The olympics are not about countries coming together to challenge each other in sport any longer. they are about who can write the fattest check and provide the most hookers and blow to the guys who pick the locations.

Ill never go and in fact Im only going to watch these games to see a few locals who have worked their asses off to get to the top of their sports.

A good friend of mine has olympic medals three to be exact and yes golds ( not all gold ). Fact is they are not as important as the crystal globe to anyone in the world of alpine sports.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 5, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
Allright,Ryan you are on.

I am not going to chant,usa,ever.

Edit;Sorry about them digs,kinda.
bigbird

climber
WA
Feb 5, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
I personally blame the Russians for the radicalization of the chechen separatists... It started as nationalist conflict for independence... But the russian military gradually killed off the moderate leadership leaving a power vacuum for the radicals to take over...



RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 5, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
^^^ well duh, everyone knows that big bird. But this is about the Olympics that are just about to start there- so you want to gamble or what?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 5, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
there is no gamble. We're going to kick ass
John M

climber
Feb 5, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
I just want to see some olympics. Is that so wrong? Thoroughly enjoyed going to the 1984 olympics in Los Angeles. Talk about a huge difference between the fans at the olympics and the fans at a raiders/rams game. Been to both, would never go to a football game again. Talk about animals.

I had a blast at the olympics.
WTF

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:18am PT
Ryan il take the USA in hockey and loser buys beers next year at facelift.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:13am PT
The real question about the Winter Olympics, as usual, is if team Canada is going to kick USA or Russkie ass in the gold medal hockey game.

Those games will be entertaining to watch. I think Ruskie will beat the hell out of rainbow-lovin westerners, just because they are more manly.

thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:15am PT
still though, his name IS Putin, after all.
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Save homeless dogs from being killed in Sochi!
Struggling to survive in a harsh winter, begging for scraps of food ... the life of a homeless dog in the Russian city of Sochi is not an easy one. And, sadly, it's becoming even harder and more dangerous.
As the 2014 Winter Olympics approach, authorities in the host city have employed a 'pest control' company to manage the 'catching and disposing' of dogs in the city.
Describing the dogs as 'biological trash', the company's owner said they would likely be killed with poison or traps.

Credit: karen roseme


http://www.animalsaustralia.org/take_action/save-sochi-dogs/
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 6, 2014 - 09:48am PT
also appearing at Sochi

Sochi aquarium set to display killer whales during Olympic Games

Thousands sign online petition against the plan


http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Sochi+aquarium+display+killer+whales+during+Olympic+Games/9402021/story.html


'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing"
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:48am PT
did anyone else see the segment on NBC where a reporter and an internet security expert opened 2 new (still in the box) laptops (one Mac and one PC) in their hotel room in Sochi? They logged onto the hotels wifi and created fake account information for the reporter and went to lunch. At lunch, they were using a new smartphone. While having lunch the smartphone got hacked. I am not sure if the phone was logged onto a wifi hotspot or if they were using cell service. When they got back to the hotel both (yes, even the mighty Mac) had been hacked.

They are telling people that if the go to Sochi to remove any personal info from your computers, tablets etc. or better yet, don't use them.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:39am PT
srb, that's assuming you have heat in yer hotel room. I heard a reporter
on the radio yesterday say how he had no heat and his buddy had no hot water.
You couldn't have paid me to go to these games.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2014 - 11:41am PT
SOCHI HOTEL GUESTS COMPLAIN ABOUT TOPLESS PORTRAITS OF PUTIN IN ROOMS


SOCHI (The Borowitz Report)—With the Olympics underway, hundreds of visitors to Sochi are complaining that they checked into expensive hotel rooms only to find them decorated with seminude portraits of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The portraits, showing Mr. Putin shirtless and riding a variety of mammals, adorn the walls of virtually every hotel room constructed especially for the Olympics and were created at a cost of over two million dollars, Olympic officials said.

Tracy Klugian, who travelled from Ohio with his wife to attend the Sochi Games, said that he was appalled to find his hotel room dominated by a gigantic portrait of a shirtless Putin riding what appears to be a bear.

Said Mr. Klugian, “I did not travel thousands of miles just to be grossed out.”

For his part, President Putin has been dismissive of the complaints, today calling the hotel guests “babies who cry.”

“These people who are complaining about what is on their walls should be grateful,” he said. “At least they got one of the hotel rooms with walls.”
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
WTF, sounds good-you are on too!


karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 6, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
Some good news!

SOCHI, Russia — A dog shelter backed by a Russian billionaire is engaged in a frantic last-ditch effort to save hundreds of strays facing a death sentence before the Winter Olympics begin here.

Already, hundreds of animals have been killed, with the local authorities apparently wanting the stray dogs cleared from the streets before Friday’s opening ceremony.

While the authorities say the dogs can be wild and dangerous, reports of their systematic slaughter by a pest removal company hired by the government in recent months have outraged animal rights advocates and cast a gruesome specter over the traditionally cheery atmosphere of the Games.

The handling of the matter has also sharply undercut the image of a friendlier, welcoming Russia that President Vladimir V. Putin has sought to cultivate in recent months.

“We were told, ‘Either you take all the dogs from the Olympic Village or we will shoot them,’ ” said Olga Melnikova, who is coordinating the rescue effort on behalf of a charity called Volnoe Delo (roughly, Good Will), which is financed by Oleg V. Deripaska, one of Russia’s billionaire oligarchs.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:06pm PT
The portraits, showing Mr. Putin shirtless and riding a variety of mammals, adorn the walls of virtually every hotel room constructed especially for the Olympics and were created at a cost of over two million dollars, Olympic officials said.

Omg if I was not at work I would be laughing my ass off. How do you even think of that...I guess they wanted to make sure there would be at least one MAN in the room watching over the luly luly boys from the west.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
Yeah so funny that a hotel with a floor less lobby & no hot water still managed to make sure topless Putin portraits are in every room.
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
Sounds like the cult of personality still exists in Russia if Putin's pictures grace all the hotel rooms.



Damn the people to Hell for killing innocent animals.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
Karen, you're talking about Russians. Put it in perspective.
They can handle hell.
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
Americans kill dogs every day. We just round them up on a more regular basis.
rrider

climber
Mckinleyville, Ca
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
I re-watched the Hunger Games recently.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
Sounds like the cult of personality still exists in Russia if Putin's pictures grace all the hotel rooms.

Not all. It is probably like 1 or 2 hotels. They have to make fun of Russia somehow. Personally when I lived in Ukraine I never saw two toilets without a separation wall. But someone found two toilets like that somewhere and made a huge deal about it all over the net.
It is sort of sad how many haters there are. Or photos of all the signs that are not in perfect English grammar. OOOOO what a surprise, people in this country do not speak English.
This thread should be re-named LET'S MAKE FUN OF RUSSIA and someone should start a thread that is on actual Olympic games...
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
The dual-toilet shitters: One is for pissing, the other is for sitting and shitting. I doubt they're intended to be used at the same time.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
The septic system can't handle toilet paper??
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
here is the whole NYT article
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/sports/olympics/racing-to-save-dogs-roaming-around-sochi.html?_r=0
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
LET'S MAKE FUN OF RUSSIA

Well, you gotta admit, Vitya, that for $50 BILLION one might reasonably
expect halfway decent accomodations. Oh, wait, I forgot that about $40 Billion
went into the pockets of Puta's cronies.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 6, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
one might reasonably
expect halfway decent accomodations.

So why are you complaining? Extra money went on those half nude Putin paintings! :)

Next year I hope to be your secret Santa ;) muahahaha
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
I ain't complaining cause I ain't there! I've stayed in the very best hotels
there and they were stoopidly expensive but not as good as a Hampton Inn
except in the case of the Metropole and the Astoria which got bonus points
for historic factors. Picked up the phone to call a Russian friend and the
line was all goofy - sounded like people talking in the background. I kept
asking,

"Is Edik there?" (in russian, duh)

Finally this dude starts yelling at me, "This is the bla-bla police station,
you dumbfuk!"

Nothing like a direct line to the cop shop, eh? And no extra charge either!
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
My wife has a picture of a half(?) naked guy in her purse. I think it's Putin.

:(
John M

climber
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
Anyone on the Taco actually been in the Olympics? As an Olympian.. Or been a coach?

( micro nut.. your post on the creationist thread was too funny.. haha. you are doomed Vitally. OT from now on.. haha )
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:27pm PT
I believe Micronut was in the Olympics for swimming?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
http://m.voanews.com/a/1843380.html



For just 17km (10.5 miles approx) of highway built for the Olympics in Sochi it cost more than 2.5 billion. The entire cost of the Vancouver 2010 games was 7.5 billion!


The total transportation link cost was 8.7 billion! Yikes!

Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:48pm PT
Yeah, right! ^^^^^^^^^

I wonder what small fraction of that actually went in to transportation.

Looks like the Russians have learned the meaning of PORK!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 6, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
For WHAT EVER reasons, the Olympics is GOOD for Russia, and i hope it helps them. They been civil war style for a long time. And GOOD LUCK to all the competitors.! Hope there is no incidents of serious nature..
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 6, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
My wife just showed me this one lol!



karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 7, 2014 - 10:16am PT
http://qz.com/174165/sochis-olympic-orcas-are-missing-have-they-been-smuggled-to-china/

Sochi’s Olympic orcas are missing. Have they been smuggled to China?
qz.com
When the Sochi Olympic Games kick off on Friday, one thing will be missing. Well, two. A female orca named Narnia and an unnamed juvenile male—both of them recently captured in the...
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Someone please direct Fortmental to the Climate Change thread. He seems to have lost his way.
steve shea

climber
Feb 7, 2014 - 10:44am PT
I think Bode won the first training run of the DH. He has been skiing speed well lately!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 7, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
Sochi Olympic Winter Games at root of residents' housing woes

Russia relocated hundreds of residents in preparation for the Sochi Olympic Games. Dozens were evicted, their homes and land seized.

"There is nothing I hate so much as these Olympic Games, which made me...
"There is nothing I hate so much as these Olympic Games, which made me and my family a miserable bunch of bums," said Sochi resident Nina Toromonyan, 63, whose family lost its home and land.

Credit: Sergei L. Loiko / Los Angeles Times


By Sergei L. Loiko
February 6, 2014, 5:00 p.m.



SOCHI, Russia — Half a mile away, thousands of people waved flags, held balloons and cheered Thursday as the Olympic torch passed by. Nina Toromonyan stood in the gray rubble that remains of her home and cried.


She recalled her elation in 2007 when her city was selected to host this year's Olympic Winter Games. She imagined that wonderful things were coming. She didn't think that riot police would throw 13 family members out of their three-story home to make way for a new highway two miles away. The compensation they received wasn't enough to reestablish themselves, she said.

"There is nothing I hate so much as these Olympic Games, which made me and my family a miserable bunch of bums," said the small, frail 63-year-old.

Yuri Maryan, head of Sochi's nongovernmental anti-corruption coalition, said dozens of people suffered similar fates in the years leading to the Olympics, which open Friday. Legislation known as Law 301 allowed the seizure and demolition of privately owned plots of land and buildings in preparation for the Games. It never took into account the consequences for people living in Sochi, he said.

"It was a very Soviet way of doing things: anything for a noble purpose," Maryan said. "Given the ample corruption around this theme, the project became a disaster for many families."

Toromonyan said the police showed up Oct. 23 wearing black masks and armed with Kalashnikovs and clubs. They pushed and kicked everybody out of the house at gunpoint.

One officer dragged Toromonyan's older sister by the hair as she kicked and wailed. Toromonyan's 63-year-old husband, Karapet, tried to intervene but was clubbed and forced to the ground, she said. One of the frightened grandchildren, 9-year-old Grisha, pleaded with the policemen: "Please, don't shoot, don't kill us." His mother tried to calm him, saying it was just a movie being shot and no one would get hurt.

Toromonyan had lived in the house since 1970, when she married Karapet. She still carries a yellowish piece of paper with a stamp indicating the property, slightly more than half an acre, was given to her father-in-law to honor his bravery in the army in World War II. She said she had shown the paper repeatedly to bureaucrats and judges, but to them it was worthless.

Officials and judges decided that in accordance with Law 301 the house and the land were in the way of the new Sochi-Adler highway. Adler is the site of Olympic venues. It did not matter that the highway had already been built before the house was demolished, passing a good two miles from the house.

Officials saw no violation of the law in Toromonyan's case.

"In accordance with that law we have relocated more than 1,000 people and we paid good compensation or offered them other housing," said Sergei Somko, deputy chief of the Olympics department of the Krasnodar regional administration. "Very few people complained, and when they did it was up to courts to decide what should be done. Those houses that were initially built with violations, or illegally, were not entitled to compensations."

Toromonyan has no proof, but thinks that someone with good connections will swoop in and buy the plot of land.

The three families, including four children, who make up the Toromonyan clan received the equivalent of $152,000 in compensation. They divided it equally but couldn't buy a house for any of the families, who now are renting cheap apartments in Sochi. Toromonyan, her husband, their daughter and granddaughter are renting two rooms in an unfinished house down the hill.

Toromonyan comes to the ruins every day to feed the family's dogs and cats, which are still there. As are the two houses flanking hers; officials said those were not in the way.

Angela Zilberg, a 42-year-old real estate developer, said she also got in the way of the Olympic juggernaut. Two apartment houses she built in central Sochi with the funds of more than two dozen families who lived in them were demolished in October because they did not fit the new image of Sochi, she said. Officials said that both structures, built in 2010, had code violations.

The police and demolition teams arrived in the middle of the day and in a pouring rain threw all the furniture they could out of the houses without waiting through an appeal period, Zilberg said.

"When I met personally with the judge a few days later, he told me privately, 'They would have rolled me into concrete and asphalt if I had ruled in your favor,'" Zilberg said. "I was initially so naive as I had all my documents in order and couldn't believe they would do this with new houses. But they falsified some documents in court."

Zilberg and her tenants never received any compensation. More than that, she was ordered to pay a $100,000 fee per apartment house for demolition. She has refused to pay.

The Olympic torch relay that attracted so many people Thursday circled the streets of Sochi but avoided Poselkovaya Street, which for the last three years was popular with trucks delivering supplies for the highway construction. The activity eventually made the street impassable.

Neighbors say Irina Berezina, 42, fell into a mud pit on the road and died last May before an ambulance could get to her. Her grief-stricken husband died three months later, they said.

Poselkovaya Street remains dangerous.

Ulyana Goretskaya, 27, said doctors wouldn't brave the street to reach her sick child last week. "So we had to carry her to the hospital in our arms over these slippery and treacherous boards underfoot," she said. "What if there is a fire? No one will save us then! And the builders are in no hurry to repair our street."

People are not the only ones suffering. Stray dogs reportedly have been mercilessly exterminated.

"Games or no Games, we have to keep stray dogs under control," said Alexei Sorokin, head of a regional pest control company.

Witnesses say animal control workers not only shot the animals but also poisoned them.

"The authorities are trying to resolve by the most brutal methods the problem of stray dog overpopulation in the area," said Nadezhda Mayboroda, who runs a dog shelter that opened two weeks ago outside Sochi, a long distance from the Olympic Park. She said the poison affects the dogs' ability to breathe, and they suffocate.

Of the more than 100 dogs in the shelter, about 60 have been brought by volunteers from the Olympic Village in the last two days, she said.

"Our shelter will not save all of them, as the state needs to devise a whole new strategy about them," Mayboroda said, "But the state has other more important issues on the agenda now, as you know."

sergei.loiko@latimes.com


Copyright © 2014, Los Angeles Times

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It should be pointed out that Toromonyan is Armenian and Zilberg is Jewish.
Probably not a coincidence.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 7, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/07/sochi-2014-winter-olympics-opening-ceremony-live

Images from today, including several of Opening ceremony
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 7, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
Really? Did no one even watch Reeoch's video?

Russia's anti gay law. Bad for hollywood?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf
John M

climber
Feb 7, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
I really enjoyed the Olympics in Los Angeles. I was amazed at the amount of camaraderie displayed. I'm sure there was politics played, and some mean sh#t done, but overall people were really cool and it was fun to just concentrate on the athleticism. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just concentrate on that for awhile. Instead of making everything political. Putin is a d#@&%ebag. I get that. He isn't competing in this olympics and this olympics won't change anyone's mind about him.
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Feb 7, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
Still angry at Zola Budd for tripping my hero Mary Decker:(
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 7, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just concentrate on that for awhile. Instead of making everything political. Putin is a d#@&%ebag. I get that. He isn't competing in this olympics and this olympics won't change anyone's mind about him.

+1
I think someone should start a new thread to discuss the competition, opening ceremony etc. I didn't watch the ceremony yet, but will tonight. Photos on yahoo looked like it was fantastic out there!!

My mother has Russian TV and I thought I would watch some of the ceremony before I went to work. They didn't start the ceremony till after I left, but they had a segment on some of the Russian athletes etc. There is a very adorable speed skater from some small city. Seemed like a very nice guy. I bet there are some really cool stories about athletes from all over the world. Would be cool to hear more about those.
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose and south lake tahoe, ca
Feb 7, 2014 - 07:35pm PT
How to fall off in the luge and somehow get back on...

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/indian-luger-shiva-keshavan-crashes-then-makes-amazing-save?ctx=top-moments&ocid=yahoo
new world order2

climber
Feb 7, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
+2...

I think someone should start a new thread to discuss the competition



As for a possible explanation as to why the West is meddling in Russia's and Ukraine's affairs....

The control freaks in Washington think that only the decisions that Washington makes and imposes on other sovereign countries are democratic. No other country on earth is capable of making a democratic decision.

Currently Washington is working overtime to overthrow the governments of Syria, Iran again, and Ukraine. Washington has also targeted Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Brazil, and in its wildest dreams the governments of Russia and China.

Ukraine has a democratically elected government, but Washington doesn’t like it because Washington didn’t pick it. The Ukraine or the western part of it is full of Washington funded NGOs whose purpose is to deliver Ukraine into the clutches of the EU where US and European banks can loot the country, as they looted, for example, Latvia, and simultaneously weaken Russia by stealing a large part of traditional Russia and converting it into US/NATO military bases against Russia.

http://www.infowars.com/washington-destabilizes-ukraine/

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 7, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
the Ukraine didn't need any help from Washington to destabilize.

That started when Stalin exterminated the kulaks and moved in ethnic Russians.

Putin is a bad guy, and really good at it!

Obama is a good guy, and really bad at it!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 7, 2014 - 11:09pm PT
The last few Olympics I am just so struck by how amazing our young new adult generation is. I want each and every one of these kids to have the time of their life. To go home with something solid and incredible to draw on through their lives.

Have a blast kids..you are making the world a better place by just being what you are.. together.

I feel that way a bit when I stop by the SAR site in C4 also.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Feb 7, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
Was driving and listening to talk radio all day hearing how messed up it would be, and have to admit I didn't think I would like it. But I find myself very fascinated by it. The area looks amazing with palm trees on the coast and 5000 meter+ peaks near by. I bet there is some awesome climbing to be had.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 8, 2014 - 04:31am PT
Polish athletes were scrutinized before they were allowed to participate in the games. Including employment and salary information.

Fuking Russian imperialists.

Andrzej
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 8, 2014 - 02:31pm PT

Enjoyed the opening ceremonies, some beautiful dancing, music, art, history, athletics... Putin looked like a stiff... I could easily teach him how to smile, clap and look human.

Zamboni from the 1930's.. and some black and white pictures from the past.
Credit: not my picture..
http://www.weather.com/sports-rec/olympics/awesome-black-and-white-photos-early-days-winter-olympics-20140204
John M

climber
Feb 8, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
Good stuff Nita

I love the bobsledding photos

Credit: John M

Credit: John M

the helmets are a crack up.

Credit: John M
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Feb 8, 2014 - 02:57pm PT
Opening ceremony BORING !!!!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 8, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
Didn't watch it but the pics looked impressive.

Where did the anglo world come up with that lame word 'biathlon'?
In Norwegian it is called skishooting.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 8, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Shouldn't it be skier shooting?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 8, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
In Moundhouse gangland they call it drive-biathlon...
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Feb 8, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
Opening ceremony BORING !!!!

The coverage didn't help.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 8, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
I really liked the opening ceremony. That young girl was fantastic, and the technology for the floor graphics was something never before accomplished. I can imagine it may be used in future theatre, dance and circus performances to really add another dimension.

I agree that the Lauren Polo sweaters were tacky.

It was surprising just how many athletes had cel phone cameras taking it all in, but I did notice that many of them were pretty much just holding he things up and were still very present for the awesome honor they were experiencing in being welcomed to the Games.

It would also be really nice if the mass media could get over the nit-picking and prejudice and focus on the spirit of the games.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 8, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
Shawn White is a pussy. Dropped out of slope style the day before because he knew he wouldn't win & wasted a spot someone else could have had. Luckily for the yanks that Sage kid is awesome, he had a really great run & stomped everything. He deserved the gold for sure. White will probably still win halfpipe tho even tho his ego deserves otherwise.

Really impressive seeing the level those slope style dudes are shredding at, wow!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 8, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
That DH course is insanely impressive. The first jump into very steep right traverse then compression with a hard left?? WOW Super world class course. Seems well designed though such that likely crash areas have nice runouts. Hope no one gets hurt bad.

Rewards immense strenth to weight ratio. Helps even out the weight advantage of the really big guys. Gonna be some spectacular crashes.. even more DNFs

Bode looks the best, but even he is not rock solid through that traverse.



BTW in XC, speeds have gotten amazing on downhill portions. May see 50mph.

XC??? jeeze
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 8, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
I agree climbski2,that actually looks like a hairy DH run,should be fun watching.

50mph nordic,that also should be fun to watch .

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 8, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
climb2ski, Bode Miller is quoted as saying the course could be deadly, and that it "has teeth everywhere". Impressive how much faster he's gone than everyone else in training runs.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/feb/08/sochi-2014-winter-olympics-downhill-course-can-kill-bode-miller
tom Carter

Social climber
Feb 8, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
Hey

Anyone have any good links to "Action video" I would appreciate it very much.

Having a hard time finding real footage to events.

How about that Bode!!!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 8, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
NBC owns the rights here,so you have to go elsewhere unless you want to pay.

If you do not:

http://gofirstrowus.eu

It takes a bit to navigate,but keep closing the junk and you will find it.

I could be arrested for this. HA.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 8, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
I think you would be well advised to go to Norwegian TV for XC coverage.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 8, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Feb 8, 2014 - 10:33pm PT
It was cool to see our old Yosemite friend, Bud Keene make the rounds with the snowboard team. He's a national treasure and great guy. His son worked at the TML last summer, carrying on the family tradition.

I look forward to some quality fatso tv time the next two weeks.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 8, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
WTF!

Alpine freestyle arials is gone.
WBraun

climber
Feb 8, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
2014 Olympics is the Putinators showcase.

I do hope he fore runs the downhill course at bad ass top speed ......
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 8, 2014 - 11:35pm PT
YES!

Coeur d'Alene Idaho boy Sage Kotsenburg wins the Slope Style.

http://www.kboi2.com/sports/Sage-Kotsenburg-Olympic-slopestyle-gold-Idaho-CoeurdALene-244537291.html



Party in Idaho tonight!

sempervirens

climber
Feb 8, 2014 - 11:58pm PT
Watching Olympics on-line, need help:
I bought the $30 Satellite Direct internet service. Downloaded their app. and it won't play continuously, stops n' starts. I've got flash player 12.0. which does not have the "Enable/Disable Hardware Acceleration" setting. Adobe Flash questions page explains they removed the setting in this version and plan to put it back in future. Any idea, anyone?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 12:53am PT
roll back and install a version that works here.

http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html

Mens DH starts in 1 Hr .. real time. Hoping for coverage but doubting it.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:06am PT
Awesome .. thanks. No Problem..am registered so have full access.


Maybe I'll get to see another American win the DH.. last one was a guy I actually skied with a bit and his brother was a friend. Nothing can beat that.

Noticing that moguls are still using pretty straight skies..

Not the place to get locked into a carve for sure.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:19am PT
Nyman.. couple bobbles, didnt hurt to much, Decent run.. not good enough I think..Much better than practice.

MAN everyone is looking so much better in real race than in practice.

Ganon USA .. solid run.. But best yet to come

France gets first DNF

Temps on lower course may becoming an issue.
new world order2

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:43am PT
Ganong still holding on to third place.

Nice flowing course, but very challenging just the same.

You guys get CBC (Communist Broadcasting Corporation) ?
new world order2

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:47am PT
Bode is up!

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:49am PT
Bummer... pushed so hard up top..

Snow is getting slower on lower mountain.

Didnt do himself any favors opening up on the jumps...


Ganong may hold on to Bronze in these conditions..

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 02:56am PT
lol noticed thaT

Svindal edges it out for Bronze.

I suspect that is it..not likely any more challengers for top 3 ..

Lower mountain deteriorating.

One American left.

new world order2

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 03:03am PT
All good! :)

Flat lighting.

Go Canada go!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 03:05am PT
heh was wrong an impessive top was enough to hold through bad bottom conditions for a new 2nd Innerhoff

Bottom part of the course is toast. That is what you get with coastal mountains with palm trees at the bottom. Should have started the race earlier.

Defago might have won if he started earlier, Nah Inerhoff would have won by far..both screwed by changing snow conditions.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 9, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
figure skating!!
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 9, 2014 - 05:36pm PT
Curling starts tomorrow! :-)
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 9, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
curling I couldn't get into reminded me of ice fishing!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 9, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
Curling, the most hipster sport at the Olympics.
Credit: nita
James Wilcox

Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
Feb 9, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
Well, I hope the athletes have a good time. I was excited for the countries there for the first time.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
So enjoyable watching a legend in his time perform exceptionally.

Evgeni Plushenko
John M

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
So what do people think about the change in rules in the Olympics that allowed professionals to enter? I understand that it was in response to the way many communist countries treated their athletes, but there is just something about it that bothers me. To me an amateur athlete is hungrier for the gold then many professionals. The Shawn White incident comes to mind. I believe we have to support out amateur athletes, but the full on professionals don't belong.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 9, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
Not sure where you draw the line. No sponsorship allowed? No Scholorships? Just gotta eek it out on your own and sponge off friends or family? Not allowed to make a living off what you love to do while the competition organizers make millions?

I want to see the best. Shawn Whites can add or detract from the games.

Like any individual athlete.

The vast majority of athletes here really are amateurs. Little chance of winning from nations many could not identify on a map. Fine youngsters experiencing the time of their life. Inspiring their towns and nations.

This spirit means the world to me.

Have a blast kids. Its a rare time you can never quite have again. Live it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 9, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
When is snowshoeing going to be an olympic sport...?
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 9, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
I believe we have to support out amateur athletes, but the full on professionals don't belong.

So rather than garish professionals you would prefer a bunch of millionaires and other entitled folks play sports in their unlimited free time like the old days...
John M

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
So rather than garish professionals you would prefer a bunch of millionaires and other entitled folks play sports in their unlimited free time like the old days…

I believe there is a middle ground, where countries support their amateur athletes.
fosburg

climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
Athletes need some form of sponsorship to compete at the highest level, there's no question. As a spectator, it's great to appreciate the result. The olympics are commercial; that's how it is.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 9, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
If you encountered a beggar who was wearing gold chains and a $500 pair of shades, would you think he needed your handout?

A lot of our impoverished athletes seem to sport some expensive jewelry.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 9, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
America's nordic athletes are essentially amateurs financially speaking due to the lack of money going to the nordic sports...A local homeboy , John Teller , America's best athlete in skier cross , wasn't sure if he was going to sochi until a few days before the games...A few strings were pulled and now he's going...Politics and money...
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 9, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
It is quite sad how much little money is going into sports that are not watched on TV. Biathlon, skiing etc is not getting much funding. Even take climbing for example. It is so awesome, but only a few are able to live on the road with sponsorship money. You either got to save up and take a long trip (likely lose healthcare, career growth opportunities, income etc) or be born rich. A lot of these sports are not for poor. I mean I can't imagine many people in Ukraine are doing sports like speed skating, curling, snowboarding, or luge.
So more money/training facilities = more athletes performing obscure sports.

By the way the opening ceremony was fantastic. Really enjoyed it.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 9, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
Someone needs to tell our track-and-field guys to back away from the gold jewelry. Seriously.

I quit contributing to the Olympic Committee the same month I started, when I saw all the gold jewelry our track team was wearing. They didn't look like they needed any more of my money to me, especially when I own zero jewelry - gold or otherwise.

Why wear any jewelry? Especially something as heavy as gold? We practically employ NASA to engineer a way to shave two grams off a pair of racing cleats, and then our stupid track athletes throw it all away by loading themselves up with as much of the heaviest metal they can obtain.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 9, 2014 - 11:02pm PT
Bravo to the proud Polak Stoch for a great jump for the 70M gold. 3.5 meters beyond anybody!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 9, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Man those Rooskies got some good ice skaters. Tough, real tough.
Go Gracie Gold!!
weezy

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:13am PT
jamie anderson is a hottie.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:43am PT
Eight skiers in The Olympic Downhill. That's it? Just eight in the whole world could qualify? And three of them were Americans? Used to be there were two or three dozen skiers competing in the Olympic Downhill.
John M

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:53am PT
not sure what you are talking about Chaz

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/other-sports/article/Olympic-Men-s-Downhill-Results-5218432.php
WTF

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:56am PT
Chaz there were you just didn't get to see the rest. Bib number is start number.

Good for Mayer. He had a great run.
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:00am PT
After all the neg hype Sochi is turning out as an A+ athletic party.
HD cams everywhere makin it real.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:00am PT
I think Chaz was commenting on NBC's only showing eight skiers, which is about the norm, sadly.
I think Bode and Svindal just tightened up from the pressure.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:04am PT
Any way you cut it Bode Miller choked big time. I feel bad for him.
WTF

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:04am PT
Yep they seemed stiff. Bodie was standing up almost the whole run.
Svindal was less tight but seemed off the line. That hard right hand turn across the face and into the big left was the tale of the tape. Mayer had the line and skied that flawless. Good for him.

I'd take the crystal globe over the gold but a gold would still be a great day. It is however just one day. The crystal is a season of top performances.
John M

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:09am PT
1/2 second between 1st and 8th.
WBraun

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:11am PT
Any way you cut it Bode Miller choked big time.

You don't know anything about alpine ski racing saying that.

Bode does not see well in flat light.

Therefore he'll misjudge more.

You guys ever ski raced in all different conditions both visible and snow???

Then you would know .....
WTF

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:13am PT
I know I ski a lot faster in nice sunny conditions.

I hate flat light days I can never get comfortable.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:19am PT
Jamie Anderson in the clutch on her last run nabs the Slopestyle Gold.
She nailed every part of the course.
Slopestyle sweep for USA

You don't know anything about alpine ski racing saying that.

Maybe not. But I know the difference between 8th and 1st place in any sport.
Every other competitor had the same conditions.
He was strongly expected to take 1st place , he took 8th . This is a choke, in any sport, at any time , under any conditions.
I would have loved to see Miller kick ass. But he choked.
In the interview he mentioned the bad light. He shouldn't have said anything about that and just congratulated his opponents.

BTW I remember watching Mayer's dad downhill in the Olys back in the 80s. The whole family are major kick -asses in the sport.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:21am PT
If you watched NBC, the Olympic Downhill consisted of only eight skiers - three of whom were American. And they ALL had perfect runs - each one better than the one before. Not one skier had any problems. Not one skier crashed.

NBC could ruin a wet dream!
John M

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:25am PT
thats a bummer. I have no tv, so didn't see it. . coverage over the years just doesn't seem as good as when I was a kid.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:26am PT

Jamie Anderson in the clutch on her last run nabs the Slopestyle Gold.
She nailed every part of the course.
++

Sharka Pancochova...bad ass..
WTF

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:31am PT
The biathlon events are wicked hard. Those guys and gals are blowing snot and saliva al, over the place.

I'm not so keen on the ski jumping this year. I love the sport but what's with the pre laid track for the ski. I don't know when they started making the run in to the lip of the jump a full blown slot track. Perhaps I just noticed it but that's odd.

Thrill of victory agony of defeat.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:02am PT
I don't know when they started making the run in to the lip of the jump a full blown slot track. Perhaps I just noticed it but that's odd.

It's only been in the past 30+ years..
new world order2

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:04am PT
Women's Super Combined....Here we go!

Better lighting than yesterdays Men's DH.
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:06am PT
Local girl Jamie Anderson makes us proud. That is so sweet and powerful.
bergbryce

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:32am PT
She crushed that run. She is from a great family in South Lake. Very happy to see her do well and make us all mega proud.
John M

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:44am PT
Every other competitor had the same conditions.
He was strongly expected to take 1st place , he took 8th . This is a choke, in any sport, at any time , under any conditions.
I would have loved to see Miller kick ass. But he choked.

I disagree with your conclusion. Conditions change and can favor one person over another. just because you practiced well doesn't mean you should do well, not if conditions change.
new world order2

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:58am PT
Julia Mancuso in first place, at the moment. Woot!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 03:19am PT
I disagree with your conclusion. Conditions change

Do you have information that the lighting or surface conditions were variable enough on competition day between the top 8 competitors to result in a clear , measureable disadvantage for Miller?
new world order2

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 03:28am PT
Mancuso takes first place in the downhill portion of the Women's Super Combined!

Edit: Takes the Bronze medal, after the slalom! Congrats Julia!

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 03:34am PT
Just watched Felix Loch win men's singles Luge.
Gold for Germany. I think Germanys first medal in these games.
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 10, 2014 - 08:06am PT
First games in curling.
Sweden won against Great Britain (the Scots). Good as the Brits were world champions.

The Swedish male team also won their game towards Switzerland.
Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 08:39am PT
No other nordic fans here? How about Dario Cologna? Full on ankle surgery mid November, off snow till New Years, and powers ahead over the final hill to win the 30k pursuit!

Can't wait to watch Kikkan Randall sprint on Tuesday!

Peter
BJ

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:12am PT
//You don't know anything about alpine ski racing saying that.

Bode does not see well in flat light.

Therefore he'll misjudge more.

You guys ever ski raced in all different conditions both visible and snow???

Then you would know .....//

Americans are so stupid
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Do you suppose that the scintillating sport of Curling would be more watched and appreciated if the women took a wardrobe cue from the beach volley ball ladies?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Bode did not choke go back a couple pages Ward where I was posting results and impressions in real time. It was clear by about the 6th guy down the course that the lower mountain was rapidly deteriorating. Last nights coverage was not the real coverage. 2 nights ago I watched every racer online. Commentary was poor both nights. DH is hard to judge when watching it without the splits because often the fastest guy looks just on the edge of control, Watch for a large amount snow getting kicked up by a bad carve, watch the line (hard or impossible without overhead angles) , don't worry about hitting gates, dont open up in the air.

After the 4th or 5th racer The bottom splits were just dumping time for every racer except svindal. It was clear the snow was getting soft fast.

There is a reason you want to earn early bib numbers in racing.. usually 5th through 15th. You want a couple folks to go first for reports then you want to get down before the course gets rutted. This course fell apart faster than most due to a very warm lower mountain. They should have started the race about an hour earlier. Visibility was getting worse on most runs too.

Bode got screwed in the bottom. He did not choke. I dont know if he would have won.. nobody does or ever will. He made a couple errors, got sideways, lost his edge a bit in the middle and funky and open off the last jump. Visibility and soft snow can cause those errors very easily. The gate clipping was not an error as many reported.

Several of those racers really stepped up their game on that course, Some great skiing yet the splits on the bottom just kept getting worse and worse.

For example The guy who had the best run by far got 2nd. Started 20th and simply blew everyone out of the water up top.. It was spectacular, then lost about a second on the bottom with no mistakes I could see, to barely hold on for Silver.

Stop reading articles by folks who don't know anything about racing.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Bode did not choke go back a couple pages Ward where.....


As a work mate of mine astutely pointed out, "Some people simply do not revisit their decisions..."
weezy

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
maybe Dario Colonga got on the Ammon McNeely Accelerated Ankle Rehab program?
John M

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
Do you have information that the lighting or surface conditions were variable enough on competition day between the top 8 competitors to result in a clear , measureable disadvantage for Miller?

you missed my point. my point was that conditions change from day to day, so you may practice well in one condition and not do well on race day because the conditions changed. If Bode Miller can't see well in flat light, then that would affect his ability to do well and would have nothing to do with choking. At that level of skiing, the tiniest thing can mean all the difference.
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
Third game curling, Sweden men, was won. :-)
raymond phule

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 01:51pm PT

There is a reason you want to earn early bib numbers in racing.. usually 5th through 15th.

Probably true but still a strange comment. The best ranked downhill skiers start between 15th and 22th so they never start earlier.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Actually the rules call for about what I said. Pretty close considerig the size of the field these days.

The start order is determined by the results and points from World Cup events leading up to the Games. Based on a pre-race draw, the skiers ranked in the top 15 will receive a start number 8-22, while the skiers ranked 16th through 30th will receive a start number 1-7 or 23-30. They are followed by the rest of the field, starting with the skiers with the most World Cup Start List (WCSL) points, then FIS points.
new world order2

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
2 Canadians win top two spots in Men's moguls, with a 3rd in fourth spot!

They arrived. They conquered!

Wa-Whooooo!
raymond phule

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:43pm PT

Actually the rules call for about what I said. Pretty close considerig the size of the field these days.

Ok, I thought it were the same rules in the Olympics as in the world cup.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 10, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
Woo-hoo!

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Missing photo ID#344430

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 10, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
This guy; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Spett

AKDOG

Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
Feb 10, 2014 - 04:17pm PT


What a great downhill course!
Those skiers all rocked, Bode finishing in the top 10 is nothing to be ashamed of. They were hitting those jumps at 80+ mph!! Bad ass The original X-game.

America’s best change for a Nordic medal starts tonight with Kikkan; a whole group of Anchorage Nordic skiers in the Olympics. Warm temps could make things interesting.
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Feb 10, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Haaa Dr. F, I bet you'd be pissing yer pants going off one of those jumps on a Snowboard.
PolishClimber

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
Did you even watch slope-style? To downplay the skill involved in these events... You really must be trolling...
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
I agree with Dr F, seeing snowboarding in the Olympics is like seeing Putin at a gay rights rally- Just doesn't make sense :-)

It was way cooler when everyone hated us(wait everyone still does? Why is it in the Olympics then?). Seeing snowboarders decked out in Adidas sucking corporate dick makes me puke in my mouth a bit, it was never supposed to be a "sport". When I started snowboarding 20+ years ago we were treated like total misfits & discriminated against pretty hard, funny how times change.

Still much more entertaining to watch than most events that wouldn't even exist without the Olympics to keep them around. Nobody does GS for fun, billions snowboard for fun.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
Seeing snowboarders decked out in Adidas sucking corporate dick makes me puke in my mouth a bit, it was never supposed to be a "sport"

Crack me right up ! Hey.... wudya think climbing was???

Guffaw as Tampster would say

snerk
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:28pm PT
Damn Bruce your right, except climbing's not in the Olympics- yet.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
Har! well Jen Olsen is over there right now monkeying around swinging ice tools at suspended logs and stuff all for some sort of medal I guess. Climbibg sure ain't what it used to be
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:03pm PT
http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/10/polish-af-helmet-sochi/
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
Bruce. I don't know what it (climbing) used to be since I've only been lucky enough to "officially" partake for the last 8 or 9 years, but usually I just go outside & walk up to a rock or mountain & start climbing until I'm at the top sometimes with a friend or sometimes by myself. Sometimes with lots of gear & sometimes with none. If I want to not see another person for days while climbing I can go somewhere there is no one. If I want to see a bunch of people I go somewhere there is lots of people. Seems to me it's all in the eye of the beholder with climbing. I guess it could be a sport if you wanted to get that out of it too.


What did it used to be like?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
It would be fun as hell to rip the DH course ,telemarking on some 194cm totally piste ski's.

Just because.

Edit;Ryan I do not think that has changed.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
Actually ryan you're right. Climbing really hasn't changed much. Gravity still works like it used to. The culture is a bit different but for the most part, it just got almost as respectable as it already was in europe a century ago. An american guide still lives in poverty but at least it gets on the cover of sport illustrated every now and then.

Is that sort of where snow boarding is?
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
Men's Moguls. YESSSS!!!!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:49pm PT
It was way cooler when everyone hated us(wait everyone still does? Why is it in the Olympics then?). Seeing snowboarders decked out in Adidas sucking corporate dick makes me puke in my mouth a bit, it was never supposed to be a "sport". When I started snowboarding 20+ years ago we were treated like total misfits & discriminated against pretty hard, funny how times change.

I've never understood this attidtude. Whether its your favorite punk band that "sold out" to a major record label or your favorite "sport" that has gone mainstream, who cares? One should be happy that these athletes are able to showcase their tremendous skill and athleticism and who knows, they might just inspire kids to get off their butts and try it for themselves. And what is so wrong about getting paid good money to do it? I doubt any of you would turn down a chance at getting six or seven figures for doing something that you love.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
Sort of Bruce, the main dif is that these companies now have an infinite pool of disposable heroes ready to throw themselves down a flight of stairs or off a 150' jump for a pink & purple polka dot jacket that couldn't keep you dry in California in August. Climbing definitely has it's underpaid poster boys but it's a much smaller pool to pull from since the technical ability & skills required to climb & snowboard at a high level is a very stark contrast. There is tens of thousands of kids who could have stepped in & competed in that slopestyle event at the same caliber we saw. I actually overheard one of the kids at work the other day saying how easy a switch double backflip was! No sh#t, these guys are doing 20 of them casually before going to work with zero sponsorship.

When I watched the slopestyle, impressive as it was. It reminded me of a bunch of robot gymnasts all hurling themselves in more or less the same manner off the exact same obstacles. Impressive? Yes. Homogenized for the masses? Definitely.

Edit- banks, sorry but there's not some huge amount of people getting paid six or seven figures a year to shred, your dreaming if you think that's the case. There's probably a few but the kool aid has been watered down too much & too many people are doing it. Read my post here- disposable heroes. Companies can just toss these kids once they blow their knees and get a new keener. It's still cool sure but you probably think green day is still cool too.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
Tonight I watched the men's speed skating where two guys would race against each other. I'm not sure if "men's speed skating" was the technical name for the event, but holy crap, what a finish! The Netherlands won Gold, Silver and Bronze, and the team included of a set of twins!

First, the one twin kicked ass and got the top place. Then, his brother bested the time by like a second, if even. So,it's two brothers in first and second place.

Then, another teammate races and beats them BOTH.

BUT..... the time was redone due to the photo finish, and the twin actually won. They were showing his face as he waited for the time, and the look-when he saw he wasn't first... Then, the time was adjusted, and his face at the new time- a look of increduality as if thinking "Am I insane? Did I see the numbers wrong?" Then, he comprehends...wow!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
When I watched the slopestyle, impressive as it was. It reminded me of a bunch of robot gymnasts all hurling themselves in more or less the same manner off the exact same obstacles. Impressive? Yes. Homogenized for the masses? Definitely.

What an absolutely dead-on moronic statement.
No one wants to hear your stupid appraisal of snowboarding, or any other sport.


RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:19pm PT
Thanks Ward.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
RyanD-You may have thought it was robotic, but I would say that you are in the minority. All I know is that my nephews and their friends loved it and can't stop talking about it. And that's the whole point isn't it? Its pretty selfish to want a sport to fit into some ideal that you want.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
ryan, you must understand something. Ward is expert in Downhill and all things snowboarding.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:35pm PT
Ward is an expert in Downhill and all things snowboarding.

Oh no Ward is far from that.

But he is an unqualified expert at detecting bullsh#t.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:38pm PT
I'm just bullshitting you ward. Relax and enjoy the movie...

new world order2

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:41pm PT
Ward? As in Ward Robinson?

As in.... 1988 Sphinx Face (VI 5.9 A2) Ward Robinson and Rob Orvig ??
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
Part of why I dig snowboarding.......and ...it was invented by Americans.
In your face Cananoadians

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
most certainly not
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 10, 2014 - 11:52pm PT
I thought Ward was an expert in everything about everything? I mean didn't he start snowboarding when it was invented & then spend the entire evolution of it living in Whistler riding 100+ days a year for over a decade? Well maybe that doesn't make him an expert but I guess it means he knows way more about it than anyone here.




And Banks you just proved my point. It's entertaining to your nephews and nieces and friends- aka the masses. Don't get me wrong it's impressive, but that's the whole idea of putting something in the old limp dicks if u ask me. It's also probably the reason certain Olympic events like freestyle ski jumping & wrestling have gotten the chop. They aren't flashy & impressive. As well I don't want snowboarding or the Olympics to fit into my ideal, just pointing out how it has changed & what it has become.


Anyways Bruce, this whole snowboarding chat with a bunch of green circle 2 plankers from the lower 48 who probably couldn't ride a t bar is all just a distraction until Hockey starts.

Any of you yanks want to wager on Sundays US vs Russia game? I'll take the Rusty's, loser has to post on the selfie thread a selfie with makeup or face paint saying go canada. I'll post one saying go USA if the commies lose, which they won't.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 11, 2014 - 01:09am PT
Hey i got a story for you Ryan. A few years ago i rented my place out in Emerald to a bunch of young snowboarders. It started out fine but then the girl friends left and it turned into the usual revolving door of tenants. One day I'm checking it out and I find one kid has set up a bedroom in a closet! The guys rallyed and explained he's the next shaun White and he just needs a chance getting established in the meat market of the whistler half pipe. I can barely contain myself but i let it go like an idiot through the season. sure enough by spring the whole lot of them had let it all go to hell and when Hydro finally cut off their power I had to move them out.. rather forcefully.

The worst was this chick whose bed room was a pig sty - soiled underwear, used condoms, you name it - it all went out the window. She was bawling and the guys consoled her while the mnean landlord went nuts. I rather suspect she had them paying the bills for favors!

anyway, like you say i don't doubt the guys talent but there's no shortage of them. What they're short on most of them is the rest of the life skills to tie it all together into whatever it takes to turn those spectacularly low odds into a successful athlete career. I can only guess that the ones that make it to the olympics actually have talent plus all the other stuff and a fair bit of luck too. I know the kid went back to quebec and for all i know he's now managing a Wendys or something, which is better off than some! I hope he's happy. Climbings the same. dime a dozen but only the very rare are going to go all the way.

I heard the Dragons Den guy Brett something going on about the obsession with medals on the radio. He was right on. He figures wec should be celebrating the effort, like all the competitors not just the medal winners. The fact is that some wipe out or bobble a run is just such a stupid measure of all their effort. As if thats ever going to happen but the thing is the odds of success in that racket is so low, the risks so high and the success is where it all leads after anyway, even if its managing a Wendy's properly you know?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 03:47am PT
Bruce, that's a pretty rowdy scenario there! Yikes! Hopefully you were charging them $800 a bed!


And Banks & Ward, Im just goofing a bit here so lets all not take this too seriously. Hopefully we can all enjoy some friendly competitiveness, sh#t talking & gambling since we are so nice & internationally set up for it on supertopo. That's what I always thought the true spirit of the Olympics was. Anyone want to bet on women's hockey, or men's curling? Loser has to write a trip report!

Edit-


I like this though.


I heard the Dragons Den guy Brett something going on about the obsession with medals on the radio. He was right on. He figures wec should be celebrating the effort, like all the competitors not just the medal winners. The fact is that some wipe out or bobble a run is just such a stupid measure of all their effort. As if thats ever going to happen but the thing is the odds of success in that racket is so low, the risks so high and the success is where it all leads after anyway, even if its managing a Wendy's properly you know?


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 11, 2014 - 09:40am PT
check out the "ice cube" climbing comp!

http://beverlymountainguides.com/2014/02/10/sochi-olympics-2014/

sounds like the climbers are having a riot
steve shea

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:21am PT
BK is right on with the ski town seasonal rental scene. I'm living the dream right now and have a stack eviction notices all ready to go. Teton Gravity Research being here in the Hole attracts every wannabe meat hucker from every facet of going DH that you can imagine. Come on down! Be a star.

Snowboarding in the Olympics is OK. The games have become a political and economic junk show. You know the path of least resistance to the cash register. Even the IOC bent over for Putin. Why else would the most expensive games ever be staged in that god forsaken hell hole. NBC gave a billion usd to televise view worthy events for two weeks! You do not think they do not have some say in what gets done do you? IOC. Then there are the athletes and the corporate sponsorship. I love the goggle adjusting during the interviews for perfect logo positioning.

As far as athleticism goes it all there in pretty much every discipline. As far as fitness goes no way. Think of the summer games. the most respected athlete used to be the winner of the decathlon. No argument there. I think for the winter games it is hockey players, nordic combined athletes, nordic skiathlon athletes and for sure alpine ski racing. Especially those participating in all events. SL an DH are as different as baseball and football. No repetition there.

Maybe if they held a snowboard biathlon I'd watch. But then the athletes would be complaining about skooch leg all the time. You know having to skooch uphill from time to time. Slope style, ho hum. You see one, you've seen them all. Circus acts with a board on. Like diving. Same church different pew. Give me half pipe, at least I can sit through that show.

And congrats to the Canadian bump skiers and beautiful Julia Mancuso. Bronze in Alpine Super Combined!

Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
And Banks & Ward, Im just goofing a bit here so lets all not take this too seriously. Hopefully we can all enjoy some friendly competitiveness, sh#t talking & gambling since we are so nice & internationally set up for it on supertopo. That's what I always thought the true spirit of the Olympics was. Anyone want to bet on women's hockey, or men's curling? Loser has to write a trip report!

Fair enough. Change brings good and bad things with it. But overall I think the evolution of snowboarding and its inclusion in the Olympics has been a positive thing. FWIW, I first tried snowboarding 30+ years ago.

I'll take the US Women's Hockey Team.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 11, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
America is better than the rest of the world, the end. :0)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
Ok Banks, you're on! I got the Canadian gals, of course. You better make some climbing plans so u got something to write about!

Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 11, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
Damn the Canadian women! Jennifer Jones had a 100% accuracy.
Sweden lost.
weezy

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
bob costas finally tapped out...and not a moment too soon. i thought blood was going to start geysering out of his eye sockets like ol faithful and blast his glasses off into the camera.

good effort, costas. you hung in there like a boss.
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:17pm PT
Any of you yanks want to wager on Sundays US vs Russia game? I'll take the Rusty's, loser has to post on the selfie thread a selfie with makeup or face paint saying go canada. I'll post one saying go USA if the commies lose, which they won't.

RaynD I wish to see photo with sickle&hammer paint on your face after Russians kick out canadian hockey team in finals
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Love the Canadian guys. They lost.
Sweden won.


RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:37pm PT
Alexey if that is the finals we end up with you are so on! I fear for you that you may not have this opportunity tho as your Datsyuk apparently has a weeping vagina from being too old & may be unable to carry the rest of team to the medal round. We will have to see what happens Sunday when they play US first :-)



Ok, I need to recap here.


-got willbeer for 12 micros canada vs us in hockey
-got WTF for beers at facelift, probably lots for the same
-loser writes a TR with whoever goes furthest in women's hockey, US vs Canada with Banks
 if Russia vs Canada men's hockey final loser paints face with winners flag & posts to selfie thread with Alexey.
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
since you call Russian team as "commies" you paint sickle&hammer instead of flag
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
Haha ok Alexey whatever you want, all in good fun. If we lose I'll even paint your face on my face if you like.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 05:22pm PT
The Canadian coach helping the fallen Russian XC skier was way cool
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 11, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
RaynD I wish to see photo with sickle&hammer paint on your face after Russians kick out canadian hockey team in finals

Hahahaha. He is Canadian, he might not have enough skill to draw something complicated, like sickle and hammer. Can't wait to see it!
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 11, 2014 - 05:29pm PT
There's little question that Norway will once again win the winter Olympics, perhaps even in absolute terms. yadda yadda yadda

Yes there is a big question about that because there is no such thing as "winning the winter Olympics."
I understand what you mean, but that does not make the "winter Olympics" any sort of actual competition that can be won or lost, except unofficially in your mind.
You're free to play your own sport of medal counting (and obviously lots of other people / media outlets like to play it also), but that doesn't change reality. (It seems like a rather shallow and silly game, especially to brag about a country that you are not even from, but whatever floats your boat.)

One nice thing about sports is they have rules--random Internet blowhards are free to say anything, but that doesn't change the actual rules or create a sport that does not officially exist.

I would like there to be some sort of an investigation of Norway's athletes however--it does seem that they have an advantage that my suggest something like PED or the like, I don't know.


The question is what country will be in second place, or as a US company so obnoxiously put it, who will be First Loser? The USA? Sweden? Russia? Germany? Italy? Canada? It must suck for all of them, perpetually losing to a country of five million.
The only that "sucks" that I know about is for ordinary Russians, who will be be burdened with the incredible expense of these "games," where most of the money was allegedly stolen by those with Russian government connections.
As a typical American sports viewer, I think it's kind of "cute" that people who support countries like Norway that you normally never hear anything about in the sports world can do well in some games that no one really watches or cares much about, except for the Olympic spectacle.
It's sort of like a giant special Olympics--you feel kinda good for the "competitors" and can even admire their courage and, in a strange way, their skill. But that doesn't mean you have to respect them as real
athletes (pretty much football, basketball, baseball, maybe MMA fighting, that's about it). Climbing sorta counts too, but not really as an organized sport.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
It's pretty simple actually Anders. Most golds wins.


Vitaliy I made need you to make me a sickle/hammer stencil in the rare possibility that we lose to Russia in the gold medal hockey game. I'm only good at drawing maple leafs & beavers.
weezy

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 11, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
Good thing for you Canadians that Quebec hasn't seceded yet. If it wasn't for the Frenchies, you'd be hurting for medals.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 11, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
^ haha that's funny

cause it's true.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 11, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
Note the high tech security features. No abstinence terrorists allowed.

http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/medal-detector/canada-s-beer-fridge-at-olympics-is-the-best-thing-at-the-olympics-021014
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 11, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
-got willbeer for 12 micros canada vs us in hockey

Damn Straight.

Congrats to Quebec!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 11, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
Spoiler Alert..too bad you're gunna see it anyway

White chokes.

He shoulda read his Bible..Cutting the hair was a big mistake.

RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Did Shaun White really choke? Looked to me like he just wasn't as good as IPod & those two Japanese teenagers.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
Yes Anders, do tell us more.

Maybe since Canada plays your country on Thursday morning in men's hockey you'd like to make a friendly wager of some belay time this spring for the winner?? I mean if ur gunna be a traitor you may as well dive right in ;-)


No hip belays either!
new world order2

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 10:50pm PT
Round robin action in Women's Hockey, tomorrow (12th) at 0430 Pac.
Canada vs. U.S.A.

Go Canada!

gf

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
Dr F,

I am afraid we are all victims of a drive by trolling from one Mighty Hiker. He has however been spotted looking hale and hearty in his native plumage, a norge sweater, leaning into the lecturn as a volunteer at the Vancouver mtn film festival.
new world order2

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
I can confirm....Anders was lookin' mighty hiking stylish in his Norwegian sweater, at the recent VIMFF.
WTF

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
Ryan you got that right. I don't drink so if I win it's all the juice I can drink, but if you win I'll make sure you pass out and I get to sharpie the sh#t out of your face.

Climb2ski. Choke really are you kidding me he got beat so stop belittling the accomplishments of those other competitors. They beat him he's not invincible.

I know this I have been a snowboarder since the beginning some 30 plus years. I know this we never thought it would be like it is today. No one ever ever thought we would see the off axis multi spin flip cork whatever these kids pull off today. It's awesome. I love it what a great sport.

One more thing I miss Craig Kelley. Canada you killed the man but not the spirit. He lives in all,the backcountry deep pow turning soul riders out there and well in these pipe riding mad men as well. He invented the pipe for the most part FYI.

Peace to all you snow enjoyers we are not divided we are all in it for the love of the mountains.




new world order2

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
WTF, it's dumping in Whistler! Come on up!

http://images.drivebc.ca/bchighwaycam/pub/html/dbc/178.html
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/the-mountain/snow-and-weather/index.aspx
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/the-mountain/web-cams/village.aspx
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
I hate to say it but judging by the beer fridge, Canada has already won the Olympics.

WTF

climber
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
Wish I could last time I was there I saw Mini Kiss play in the village.

I love it up there and thanks for the offer.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 11, 2014 - 11:52pm PT
WTF this ones for you.




WTF

climber
Feb 12, 2014 - 12:24am PT
Thanks Ryan. In the end that's classic Brushie and Jacoby.
Jason Ford has a girl in every port. Those guys weren't lying.

I rode with those guys in Tahoe in the 89/90/91 seasons. It was some great fun. Craig only hung in the early season. You can hear him say in the film he was looking for more roofs and he just wanted to hit the backcountry and make turns with his Bro's.

Another gone too soon but at least he went in the BC.
fluffy

Trad climber
Colorado
Feb 12, 2014 - 01:44am PT
My first board was a Burton Kelly. He was one of my heroes for sure.

Wish I still had it, gave it away in 94 when I moved to the desert :-/

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 12, 2014 - 02:04am PT
Cris Collinsworth talking about Shaun White as Peyton Manning is about the
dumbest thing I've ever seen. Are there NBC execs with an IQ higher than
the 79 of Collinsworth? I mean that guy can't even spell his own name!
Is his brother Ludicris?
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 12, 2014 - 02:58am PT
Hey, Poland got Gold.

We will probably count it as two medals, the first and the last ;)

Most of you probably don't know that Poland is pretty flat. The highest peak is 8200 feet toll. There are just a few ski resorts.

Andrzej
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 12, 2014 - 03:02am PT
GO Team Poland!
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 12, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
Did Anders delete his post? :-(
;-) but welcome back, my friend.


And Swedish guys played an utterly lousy game towards Denmark, of all countries.
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose and south lake tahoe, ca
Feb 12, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
Wtf is with the snowboard announcer that doesn't know anything about snowboarding? Probably the worst announcer I have heard.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 12, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
You mean Bob Costas is calling the snowboard events? I was wondering where he went ( but don't miss him ).
o-man

Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
Feb 12, 2014 - 06:16pm PT
Julia Mancuso. Bronze in Alpine Super Combined!
She lives directly across the street from me here in Kuau,Maui. I think that's pretty cool!
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Feb 12, 2014 - 09:35pm PT

The forgotten Olympic city: The Sochi Games aren't actually in Sochi
By Dan Wetzel 7 hours ago Yahoo Sports

ADLER, Russia — After the opulent sporting venues, hundreds of box hotels, the freshly built amusement park, the new roads and train lines, the colorful, if questionable, brick boardwalk along the Black Sea, and the waterfront "McMansions" (strangely unoccupied) — after all of that — the first thing you notice in Adler are the fences.

The fences are everywhere.

They are a metallic construct with a stonewall design on the bottom and five wide, brown, faux-wood slats rising up to about eight feet. They line roads, run along back alleys and sometimes fence in other fences.

Government contractors threw them up all over the place, locals say, to keep tourist eyes from seeing what's behind them: construction sites, swamp, poverty — in other words, Adler.

These are officially the Sochi Olympics, but the games are not being played in Sochi. They are happening in unheralded Adler, technically a microdistrict (in Russian city planning parlance) of Sochi, its larger neighbor up the coast.

Adler remains a city under construction. (Yahoo Sports)
Adler is the town the Olympics ignore and the Russians prefer you not see behind the fences. Yet it is — especially the area south of Olympic Park — the center of Vladimir Putin's big, bold bet to turn this sleepy village, once mostly swampland hard by the closed border of Abkhazia, into an international vacation destination.

Adler is very much its own world, different from Sochi, whose city center takes two buses and a 45-minute train ride to reach. That is if you can afford the train. Many here can't. Then it's two hours by bus, they say.

Putin promised the International Olympic Committee that if it awarded Russia the 2014 Winter Games, he would essentially construct a new city to host them. He estimated he had just 10 percent to 15 percent of the infrastructure.

Seven years and $51 billion later this is it, an area of stunning contrasts and hopeful momentum, with plenty of warning signs of too much ambition and too little quality construction.

This is where new meets old but with questions about whether much will change at all.

According to locals from street corners to small restaurants, there is a clear appreciation for some of Putin's billions that came here, that once-rocky, unpaved streets are now smooth.

Yet, there is also a wariness about the government getting this right, even as literally hundreds of construction workers continue to pound nails, lay brick and spread paint in a furious attempt to finish what is way behind schedule.

They never did get it all done in time for the Olympics. It's getting it right that matters now.

Consider the waterfront, where a new brick path stretches for miles along the Black Sea. It's beautiful and ornate, each brick laid individually in decorative and colorful patterns. There is a knee-friendly bike and jogging path running along it. You can see generations of Russian families taking strolls, glancing west at the water and east at the towering mountains.

A fence separates old Adler from new Adler. (Yahoo Sports)
Yet sitting just a few feet from the rocky shoreline, with only a concrete seawall in between, how does the ground underneath the bricks not shift, even subtly, and ruin the entire thing? You can already see the signs of it, buckling and doomed for repair.

And what of the waterfront buildings? Many are beyond nice, with swimming pools, concrete patios and floor-to-ceiling windows. There are hotel complexes with indoor-outdoor pools. Yet almost all are empty, not ready for the biggest event this town will hold. There are mattresses on beds, but exterior walls lack siding, suggesting a backward construction process. So who buys them? Who uses them? Maybe dignitaries will stay in them for the upcoming G8 summit.

Landscaping features areas where dirt was thrown down only to have seed planted before the clumps and mounds could be raked smooth. There is no way the grass survives long term.

Then there are the approximately 200 "hotels" built to house volunteers and media in tightly clustered projects. They are supposed to be sustainable, yet are cheaply put together. Where do the people come from to fill all of those? And what are they coming to?

It's almost maddening. This could have been great, an incredible scene for these Games and beyond.

And it points to a strange dichotomy.

It's not that this is cheap. It's just not put together quite right.

It's not that this isn't better, more modern. It's just too often this feels and looks like a movie soundstage, so much thrown up you wonder what's real and what's an illusion.

It's not that this can't work. It's just impossible to say at this point.

Putin says it will transform this region of the country and give Russia a winter playland to help maintain and attract the young and affluent.

It is folly for a Westerner to live here for two weeks and define what a complicated place such as Adler really is or will be.

What is clear is that here where the Games are being played and where the buildings have risen and where the legacy will play out are government fences everywhere.

What remains behind them is the question.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:14am PT
The Women's Downhill coverage is confusing.

First skier crashes. Second skier finishes, but they say her time is only good enough for third.

How the hell do you get third place, in a field of one?

Apparently, two other skiers' runs were edited out, but both of those runs were better than the run NBC chose to broadcast. WTF?

I thought the whole idea was Faster, Higher, Stronger. So why edit out the faster, NBC?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:22am PT
The race was almost 24 hours ago. NBC does not even show 1/4 of the competitors.

Once again the course was terrible. Too warm and rapidly deteriorating.

I will say the gal they got commentating is really good..has a great eye and it's really cool getting her well explained analysis. She should have been doing the mens commentary too.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:42am PT
What's NBC broadcast during the daytime, that they can't make time then for the premier Olympic event, the freaking Downhill? Soap operas and judge shows?

It's funny, because NBC does Formula 1 now, and it's always broadcast live. Monaco, Singapore, Bahrain, Sao Paolo, Shanghai, Toronto, Austin, etc, doesn't matter. Always live. Start-to-finish. Like it should be.

NBC does a good job with the NFL, too ( with the exception of Al Michaels, but he's gotta work somewhere ).

But with the Olympics, it's like NBC has the Midas Touch, only in reverse. They're handed a gold nugget, but when we get it, it's just a turd.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:52am PT
Congratulations to Tina Maze, representing Slovakia for tying with the Swiss competitor, Dominique Gisin for Women's downhill gold ! A remarkable event considering win or lose is decided by hundredths of a second...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:54am PT
Very remarkable considering the later start and the lower course conditions..

Really she shoulda won that by at least .4 exceptional run.

Much like the mens silver medalist.

But the tie is very cool. She didnt get robbed and both winners were great.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Feb 13, 2014 - 01:05am PT
It's definitely not going to happen, but they need to remove any sport in the Olympics which involves judging. I remember when Seth Westcott won his first gold medal in the Snowboard Cross in Torino. A reporter asked him why he switched from Half Pipe to Snowboard Cross. His quick reply was "no judging!"

I used to date a competitive figure skater. She would get a list of judges for her upcoming competitions. She didn't go to the ones where she felt the judges didn't like her.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 13, 2014 - 07:57am PT
Carlson rips to the top corner.USA 1 Sovakia 0

An awesome goal to start em up.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 13, 2014 - 08:19am PT
When is snowshoe cross going to be made an olympic event..?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 13, 2014 - 08:47am PT
6-1 ,USA .Watching USA hockey on canadien TV is painful.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 13, 2014 - 09:52am PT
The New York times mentions Kaitlyn Farrington's Halfpipe Gold Medal.


IDAHO
Upstart Ends Gold Medal Run by the Big 3 in Women’s Halfpipe
By JOHN BRANCHFEB. 12, 2014 N.Y. Times

KRASNAYA POLYANA, Russia — The cattle auctions were on Wednesdays, Kaitlyn Farrington remembered. On the ranch near Bellevue, Idaho, before she left for school, she and her father would load a cow, maybe two, into the back of a trailer attached to the pickup truck. Gary Farrington drove about 40 miles south to Shoshone and made the sale, maybe $1,000 a head.
Kaitlyn was a teenager then, and the money was needed to support her burgeoning snowboarding career. One by one, now and again, the herd dwindled over the years. Now it is gone entirely.
In its place is a gold medal.
Farrington, a horse-riding snowboarder, a former barrel racer with a pair of piercings in her nose and a quick giggle in her voice, bucked snowboarding’s long-established order by winning the women’s halfpipe event Wednesday at the Sochi Games.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 13, 2014 - 10:18am PT
Who uses them? Maybe dignitaries will stay in them for the upcoming G8 summit.


Brilliant idea! Wouldn't that be so fitting? Putin's authoritarian monument to crony capitalism and stupidity becomes the perfect fortress of security for trouble free G8's !

On a lighter note, you guys see our guy give up his spot for his mate and the guy wins a silver for the team - now he wants to chop the medal in half to share it!

Take that, Cadillac..
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 13, 2014 - 10:35am PT
Get out the brooms

There was a US sweep last night!

Should be fun to watch tonight.
new world order2

climber
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:03am PT
moosedrool, where you at?!

Your countrywoman just won gold! Congrats!

Injured Justyna Kowalczyk wins 10km cross-country gold

http://olympics.cbc.ca/news/article/daria-gaiazova-racing-10km-cross-country-classic.html
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:16am PT
I bet they're salting like crazy

http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:52am PT
Victor or evgen plushenko just pulled out From mens figure skating :(
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:55am PT
I notice that Fritz mentioned it above, but I'm surprised at my self by how happy Kaitlyn Farrington's Halfpipe Gold Medal makes me. You wouldn't have known she was even in the competition from the commentators beforehand, and the whole celebrity/marketing scene around Hannah Teter and Torah Bright irritates me no end.

I liked Mancuso's reaction (overjoyed) to getting bronze in the combined, but the women's downhill was really cool with that tie between a relative unknown(to me) and a superstar. Too bad neither was Austrian. So far, I haven't seen too many Austrians on the podia, is that an accurate impression?

Hey, but our sisters to the north are doing well, in that obscure sport in an ice rink with nets and sticks, what's it called?


w.r.t. Pyro's above. :-(
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:56am PT
Lurker/deleter Anders, the puck drops on your Vikings in just a few min. Not too late to take my wager.
WBraun

climber
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
Vladimir Putin (Putinator) should make a guest appearance run down the Ski Jump.

The big one (Ski-flying) competition jump hill.

That will definitely help boost his Olympic planing events and world leader ratings :-)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 13, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Ski flying lol
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 13, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
NWO2, yeah, man, Poland got its second GOLD!!!

:)

Moose
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Feb 13, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
The women's downhill yesterday was amazing. That and the mogul competition have really been the only events I've gone out of my way to watch. The downhill finish couldn't have been better scripted!

The hype and marketing just seems too much to me to stomach most of the time. Especially all the time they're spent on snowboarding.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Feb 13, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
I know I'm an old fart, But what is with the judgeing? Did I miss something? What happened to all the judges from different countries scoring and then they would throw out the high and low one? when did they change this? Kind of liked watching the Russian and American judges low-balling each others atheletes. I must have fell asleep or something. Who is doing the judgeing?...I'll go take my nap now so I can stay awake until at least 10:00pm....zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Karen

Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
Feb 13, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
I agree John, WAYYYYYYY too much time has been spent on snowboarding! Yawn.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 13, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Drinking game:

Hit something each time some baggy-pants monotone brah declares he's "stoked".
karen roseme

Mountain climber
san diego
Feb 13, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
SOCHI, Russia — On a warm slope above the Black Sea, America's colors blazed with new definition.
Red, white and blue became Joss, Gus and Nick.
In the perfect sweep for an evolving Winter Olympics and the ever-changing American athletes who twist through them, Joss Christensen, Gus Kenworthy and Nick Goepper finished first, second and third, respectively, in the inaugural men's slopestyle skiing competition Thursday.


Christensen skied with a photo of his late father tucked into his suit. Kenworthy skied for the future of five stray Russian dogs. Goepper skied for all those folks back on his boyhood slopes of … southern Indiana?


Kenworthy, also 22, found his awesome earlier in these Olympics when he rounded up a stray female dog and her four puppies before Russian authorities could capture and possibly exterminate them.

"I said to someone, 'I just want to leave with a medal and some puppies,''' he said.

Kenworthy, My kind of hero!!!!



http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-sochi-slopestyle-plaschke-20140214,0,2409967.column#ixzz2tG5yWvQY
Yak-Chik

Trad climber
Phoenix
Feb 13, 2014 - 09:30pm PT
Go USA! Crashing into the edge of the half pipe in super slo mo
is a killer watch!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 13, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
Looks like they are starting the downhill portion of the mens combined an hour earlier than the previous 3 downhill competitions.

Really hope this helps level the playing field. Hard to say.. that lower mountain just seems too warm in the last few races.

Better hope so, the US men drew positions 22, 23, 24 and 28

I'd say they are screwed. Hope I'm wrong.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:51am PT
Man, what a drag for Plyoshenko! Seems like we've been watching him for years
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 14, 2014 - 12:56am PT
More TV time was devoted to one skater quitting than they gave to the entire mens' Downhill ( which used to be the premier Olympic event ).

The Olympics used to be all about Faster, Higher, Stronger.

I guess Lamer, Older, Weaker draws more of the viewers NBC is shooting for - viewers who are not sports fans.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 14, 2014 - 01:10am PT
Combined course is in terrible shape..

Dull them edges men and find some special skis..softer a bit

The course conditions are a cruel joke..

Might as well roll the dice for positions.. be about as fair.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 14, 2014 - 01:17am PT
American figure skater, Jeremy Abbott, took a hard painful demoralizing fall in the beginning of his short program.
The crowd with their applause rallied him to get up and finish ---which he did in great style and excellent form.
Showed heart on his part ---and it showed the largely Russian crowd in a real good light.
One thing about Rooskies, they love gritty perseverance and heart. Their history as a country bares that out, despite all the bad stuff.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 14, 2014 - 08:39am PT
That performance with that crowd support is going to stick with him longer than a medal would!

It will become the basis for family lore; "when uncle Jeremy wiped out in the Olympics , he got back up and the crowd clapped him through his routine!"
gf

climber
Feb 14, 2014 - 09:07am PT
Interesting piece in the wsj about under armour suits slowing down the us skaters (hello bernoulli principle) -i must admit to a bit of schadenfreude with regard to U A and their so called R and D efforts -I've received reports of some of their design staff coming up to Arc'teryx and buying bags of their clothing with what appeared to be the intent to essentially rip off their work.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Feb 14, 2014 - 09:58am PT
Mostly, I'm happy Bob Costas is grounded. Dude bugs. Otherwise, it's been fun so far.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 14, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
More TV time was devoted to one skater quitting than they gave to the entire mens' Downhill ( which used to be the premier Olympic event ).

The Olympics used to be all about Faster, Higher, Stronger.

I guess Lamer, Older, Weaker draws more of the viewers NBC is shooting for - viewers who are not sports fans.

Yes, NBC's nightly coverage is prepackaged for middle America just like McDonalds prepackages so called food for Americans. Yet your complaints about it are getting tiresome. You could have watched the entire mens downhill on NBCSports Network, or CBC, or BBC or on your computer or ......
klaus

Big Wall climber
Pacif*#ka Muthaf*#ka
Feb 15, 2014 - 02:16am PT
Is it a requirement that all male figure skaters have to be gay?

because they all are

just asking
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 15, 2014 - 02:28am PT
The Russian ones aren't. Allowed.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 15, 2014 - 08:15am PT
The one time i am bummed that I do not have TV would have liked to watch some alpine and nordic sking. Bunch of vermonters on the nordic team.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 15, 2014 - 10:21am PT
What a HOCKEY GAME.

USA3 Russia2
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 15, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Is the hockey game over?
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Feb 15, 2014 - 10:29am PT
Sweet game
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:38am PT
Congrats to the US hockey team...

and congrats to Zbigniew Brodka...

...who had the margins on their side...

1500 meter men:
1. Zbigniew Brodka 1:45.006
2. Koen Verweij 1:45.009
3. Denny Morrison +0,22
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:42am PT
Third Gold for Poland!!!

Moose
WBraun

climber
Feb 15, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
This "Olympic Hockey" game looks way more like an all star game instead of some phoney Nationalistic game between two countries ......
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 15, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
Go quick!
Go usa!
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 15, 2014 - 05:03pm PT
Sweden took gold in the ski relay race.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Feb 15, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
Fourth Gold for Poland!

Can't believe it.

Congratulations!!!

Andrzej
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 15, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
Swedish female skier makes up 25 second deficit in the relay! ! .
OMG. What a finish.
Whew whew whew

Susan
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
US beats Russia in hockey shoot out .
In your face Putin, you KGB criminal super villain
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:26pm PT
I liked it better when the Russian hockey teams we beat were Soviet Red Army teams.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:37pm PT
Can the figure skating be over already, please?
C'mon.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Feb 15, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
You say you want a revolution?


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 16, 2014 - 01:39am PT
Poland has only won four medals (so far) but they have all been GOLD. Go Polska!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 16, 2014 - 01:54am PT
Regarding Hockey, I was really surprised to see them do a shootout in the Olympics. I would have thought they would play overtime periods until someone really won. Anyone know how long this has been the practice?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 16, 2014 - 01:56am PT
I believe the rule is a shoot out after four tied OT periods. I think that is what happened in this game.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 16, 2014 - 02:04am PT
I became curious about Olympic Hockey overtime rules and found this link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/olympics/wp/2014/02/15/olympic-hockey-rules-for-overtime-and-shootouts/
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 16, 2014 - 02:25am PT
Good work USA on winning at hockey. Truly a shame that Russia is out. Imagine if the eternal grudge match between Russia and Canada was played out for Olympic gold on Russian soil... That would have been the game of the century.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 16, 2014 - 03:18am PT
It could still happen Jim. This is just qualifiers. Pretty good chance that Russia will still end up in the gold medal game.


Forgot to mention our hockey babes stomped the US hockey babes in prelims the other day as well.

Shoot outs have been that way in international hockey tournaments for as long as I can remember. I think in the medal rounds it is decided by sudden death tho.


I remember this from last Olympics when we beat USA in overtime. You guys remember that?

Edit- now I see Wards link.
perswig

climber
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Proud US effort against Canada in women's curling this AM. You canucks are so hard to beat!

Dale
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:42am PT
dont know if this was discussed upthread, but ice climbing is a 'cultural event' this year:

http://beverlymountainguides.com/2014/02/10/sochi-olympics-2014/
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 16, 2014 - 10:24am PT
Mindblowing US silver by jorneyman and complete darkhorse Weibrecht in Mens Super G. Starting 29th and has no world cup podiums.

and a tie in bronze! Bode gets one.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2014 - 11:54am PT
Another gold for the Flying Polak! Four medals for Poland and all of them gold!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 16, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Anyone else have another opinion.
Not exactly another opinion, I agree with your assessment on the metrics. I don't think it should be eliminated, however. It appears to be how it has evolved. It's hard for me to relate fully to it since my style is fully "classic" as well as I wouldn't be able to keep up that style for very long.
Now, to head out for Alpine!!!
Susan
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
Anyone else have another opinion.

Yea, go out and stride up the hills the boys and girls ski up and you will realize that there is loads of striding still in the sport. Only unfit skiers and tourists stride flats...
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 16, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
Wow, the American ice dance couple. Incredible. White & Davis.
What a skating.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 16, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
Dr. F...The olympic x-country courses are much steeper than they look on TV....I would guess that some of the steeper hills would be in the 9% grade category...? Blasting down the other side of these 9% climbs is harrowing at 30 mph with 10 other skiers inches away ...Diagonal striding anything resembling flat terrain is like being in your small chain ring and spinning out..Double poling doesn't interrupt your glide like diagonal striding does and can actually help you recover during the glide phase..
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 04:23pm PT
Dr F, you clearly don't understand xc ski racing as it is played at an elite level.

Do you still climb in RDs?
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 16, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
USA played a good game towards Sweden in curling. They lost though.
The Swedes is now #1 on the chart.
Have lost one game, towards Denmark, and they're not in the finals.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Feb 16, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
I'm a little pissed at NBC. But, not surprised.
Here it is Sunday afternoon, and they choose to air hours of curling. These aren't even medal matches.
I mean really! all that yelling and scrubbing of ice is getting annoying . . .
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 16, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
I mean really! all that yelling and scrubbing of ice is getting annoying

The broom pushes or sweeps away tiny ice bearings
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
show me a race that's not 80% double poling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYespRddbl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN99cR8asHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqM4ZYzwls

These are a few examples of modern xc racing.

This should help with your ongoing education.

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
Dr. F, I would recommend an intro to skiing lesson at a local nordic area...

... do you also whine about the butterfly swimmers that could go faster by doing freestyle, or those silly slalom skiers that could just point em?

Yer funny!
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
Yup, among most skilled nordic skiers that usually enjoy doing both types of skiing. As a former elite racer I and most of my fellow skiers liked the variety and the balancing of muscle sets it provided.

Usually the citizen skiers in the US prefer skating but across Scando countries most prefer striding and with that huge amounts of double poling.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 16, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
Dr. F...I'm going to call Werner if you don't knock that sh#t off...! On the World Loppet circuit the elite racers double pole most of the courses..Some of the courses cover 54 miles...If these guys classic skied those 54 miles they would miss out on the whiskey drinking at the finish...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 16, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
Dr. F...Nobody said you were Rong...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 16, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
I just checked out Norway's leading paper, Aftenposten. I expected black borders and I wasn't far off.
I think Norway has a new name to rival Quisling - Knut Nystad, the head wax coach.

You don't want to be seen in public with these guys.
You don't want to be seen in public with these guys.
Credit: Reilly


But congrats to Sverige and a big bravo to France for their bronze.
It was really great to see guys thrilled to be third best in the world.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 16, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
Knut is a good guy and an excellent wax technician. Let's see how this plays out before jumping in the media conga line.

The Swedes have been upping their game for several seasons and their results would be expected.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 16, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
Reilly...Nystad's brother Trond is the head coach...Kronyism..? Trond was the US coach a while back...Further back in nordic history , Sweden hired Norways waxing coach when Norway was dominating the sport...The coach walked with a pair of magic skis that Bjorn Dahle was having lots of luck with..Team .Norway sued Team Sweden to get the magic skis back...At this level money is no object in securing an advantage over the rivals..
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 17, 2014 - 01:25am PT
Davis and white are a complete 100% package.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 17, 2014 - 11:51am PT
Personally, I thought what Christen Cooper did to Bode in the interview after his bronze winning race, was deplorable. Who does she think she is, Barbara Walters? Why hammer him on his brother that recently passed? Then the camera that followed him as he broke down and cried, what crap!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
If NBC stuck to sports, that wouldn't be a problem.

But NBC doesn't want to televise sporting events so much as they want to produce a soap opera.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
Personally, I thought what Kristen Cooper did to Bode in the interview after his bronze winning race, was deplorable. Who does she think she is, Barbara Walters? Why hammer him on his brother that recently passed? Then the camera that followed him as he broke down and cried, what crap!

I, too, was appalled. I had to leave the room. It was horrifying. It was emotional bullying. I still get shaky when I think of it.

Susan
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
NBC doesn't subscribe to ABC's 'Up Close and Personal', they prefer
'Up Close and Visceral'.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
And they act as if something's wrong with a Silver Medal.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
I didnt feel like she bullied Bode, I suspect both were pretty surprised what happened. They have done quite a few of these interviews together over many years.

The camera following him was not so cool with me though.

If Bode is cool with it, and it seems he is, then I dont see much reason to complain.


Regarding medals, hmm very nice to get one, sure gold is great.

But from the bottom of my heart, to be an Olympian, that is high honor, the rest is icing. How many do you know?

ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
Maybe so, I have the feeling he is just protecting an old friend, but I still don't think it was the right thing to do. She could have gotten the same point across with a lot less questions.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 17, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
High drama developing in Skating Dance, The Canadian team Virtue/Moir just got the highest score ever in the free skate, stepping up to the challenge of the Americans best ever score in the short. Just Beautiful.

Americans Davis/White skate soon.

Talk about a great rivalry bringing out the best in both.

So glad Dance got it's act cleaned up, used to be completely corrupt (judging cabal) and everyone knew it, now it's just amazing to watch.

I like it even better than the more technical pairs that has the jumps and throws.

------


Davis and White pull it off! Infact they stomp it by another 2 points.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 17, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
ice dancing is such an awesome thing to see!
Hoser

climber
vancouver
Feb 17, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
See you at the gold medal game
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 17, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
Hockey?

Well your women might...They are really good.

Am I the only person who like womens hockey so much better than mens.

Much cleaner flowing game with less wall work. No body checking? makes for such a better game.
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 17, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
Davis & White!!!!
They all are fantastic, the top couples.
BJ

climber
Feb 17, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
Hockey?

Well your women might...They are really good.

Am I the only person who like womens hockey so much better than mens.

Much cleaner flowing game with less wall work. No body checking? makes for such a better game

It's a good game to watch, and an affirmation of what North America in general, and Title IX specifically means to women's sports.

I was actually rooting for Canada in 2010's Mens Hockey final, because I wanted our friends to the north to win their game. Looks likely to be US v. Canada in the semi's
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 17, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
Ah Christ! Costas is back. Sports' most prolific buzzkill.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 18, 2014 - 12:29am PT
Pink eye Pete strikes back.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 12:32am PT
Enough skating already. Sliding is what it's all about. Wide & varied forms of sliding.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 18, 2014 - 12:34am PT
Edit: About Costas....^^^^^^. Ha ha ha. So true.

Credit: SCseagoat

Susan
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 02:05am PT
Davis and White bringing the Gold for the US. They dominated. You don't need to know anything about ice dancing to see near perfection when it happened . And it happened.
First Gold for America in this sport.
gf

climber
Feb 18, 2014 - 09:27am PT
paging mighty hiker
"smøreskandale"
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 18, 2014 - 10:17am PT
Davis and White bringing the Gold for the US. They dominated.

They dominated? Ye gads Ward you are such a rank flag waver!

To put it in context the conspiracy kooks in Canada claim the fix was in. The reality was that even if it was there was no discernible difference in quality of performance. you may as well have spun a bottle.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 18, 2014 - 10:29am PT
I have no idea how to judge Ice dance. I enjoyed the Canadian free dance program better. But that was due to the music choice and storytelling style. Both were jaw droppingly beautiful and without clear errors to a layperson.

What constitutes difficulty and judging of elements.. I don't have much clue.

From what I have heard when the judging got cleaned up 10 or more years ago the system is pretty fair apparently.

But it was a totally corrupt sport before that.

In the past the Russians would have won 1st and second in this comp. Not joking, the judging was that obviously corrupt back then.
GLee

Social climber
MSO
Feb 18, 2014 - 06:01pm PT

Joergen Graabak og Magnus Moan ta gull og solvi i nordisk kombinert!!!

Oy vey eller Uff da!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 18, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
"jaw dislocating yawn".

Fort ,thanks man.

HA!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 18, 2014 - 09:21pm PT
Reno's own David Wise wins gold in ski halfpipe!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 18, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
Yeah, I can't judge what's better in ice dance. I liked the american's (Brady bunch boy and empress of mars) routine better, but honestly I couldn't tell who was scoring higher. Seemed like high level standard for bothe teams, like it should be!


I also liked the Russian (?) Zombie routine! Unique and imaginative!
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 18, 2014 - 11:34pm PT
Are we to believe that out of seven bobsled entries, FIVE of them are American? That's according to NBC.

Seven sleds down the track, five are American. Just totally pathetic coverage.

EDIT:

SEVEN out of nine runs televised are Americans. It's as if no one else was competing.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:09am PT
They dominated? Ye gads Ward you are such a rank flag waver!
To put it in context the conspiracy kooks in Canada claim the fix was in. The reality was that even if it was there was no discernible difference in quality of performance. you may as well have spun a bottle.

Nice try BruceJim KayBrennan . It has nothing at all to do with flag waving.
The Canuck couple , Virtue and Moir, you could see it on their faces immediately after White and Davis finished their nearly perfect program---before the judges' verdicts. They knew. Game over.

You characterized the Canadian "fix is in crowd" properly as "kooks". Good observation.

Moir and Virtue are yesterday's news. Canada won't see Gold in this event until the Olympics come back to Canuckastan, probably sometime after you have long been frozen in a block of ice ---or however they bury people up there.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:28am PT
Of course you are a figure skating judge too Ward, big surprise. I hear your double sow cows are just spectacular.

But just cause you're an ice prancing climate change princess doesn't mean you know how every event will end up.

Maybe you want to put a wager where your know it all mouth is?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:35am PT
Maybe you want to put a wager where your know it all mouth is?

Another irrelevant ,vain attempt to shift this crushing loss onto someone who is merely reiterating the awful truth. Me knowing ,or not knowing, anything about ice dancing won't change the fact that US won Gold. Will it?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:36am PT
^^^

Nothing worse than a know it all climate change pussy
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:37am PT
climate change

LOL.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:39am PT
LOL, yeah I know.



You're still a pussy though. A Real American would take the bait.......errr bet I mean.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:44am PT
You're still a pussy though. A Real American would take the bait.......errr bet I mean.

You're going to have to get smarter than that, which is not possible given what I already know about you in our few exchanges on this thread.

But nothing personal.
Have a good remaining Winter Olympics. All the best to the excellent Canadian athletes.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:05am PT
Same to yours Ward! If I ever need to know anything about anything I'll be sure to find you!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:09am PT
If I ever need to know anything about anything I'll be sure to find you!

If I tell you that someone won a Gold Medal after they won a Gold Metal ---please listen . That way we can avoid all this needless rancor
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:20am PT
Ward,
Don't be light.

Place your money where your mouth is. A bet is a bet and you look like an arriviste at this point in the muscular game of figure skating.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:20am PT
If I tell you that someone won a Gold Medal after they won a Gold Metal ---please listen . That way we can avoid all this needless rancor


Yes Ward- gold metal all over the place. Thanks again for all the wisdom you bestow upon thee with every post. Even tho the rancor is needless I'm quite enjoying it since you called me a moron for no reason upthread.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:21am PT
How much of a hypocrite is Putin - he let Johnny Weir into the country?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:35am PT
called me a moron for no reason upthread.

I did? Wow, sorry dude. I apologize. I must have been pissed about something ---or you are wrong and I had plenty of reason.
In any case it's all spilled milk under the bridge.




bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA/Boulder, CO
Feb 19, 2014 - 03:00am PT
I repeat. They should remove all sports which involve judging from the Olympics. The Olympic motto is 'Citius, Altius, Fortius' which translates to 'Faster, Higher, Stronger.' I don't see the words 'style' or 'grace' or a reference to anything artistic in there at all.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 04:15am PT
What an absolutely dead-on moronic statement.
No one wants to hear your stupid appraisal of snowboarding, or any other sport.


Whatever Ward, since you're too much of a bitch to make nice with a friendly wager in the true spirit of the Olympics I can only accept your spilled milk & will be sure to spit it back in your face when my countrymen dominate your home fed, little university educated hockey players in the gold medal game.

Like you probably even care anyways, you're a figure skater at heart!



.......That is of course if I don't end up with a sickle & hammer on my face from talking too much sh#t on the Internet but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be ok.










Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Fins crush Ruskies!!!!!!!

I sense a 1936 / Jesse Owens moment brewing...........
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:47am PT
BH, ski jumping has judges. But those half-bowl sports are bogus.
And hockey does too, in effect.

The Finns look hard to beat with Rask in the net.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Feb 19, 2014 - 08:27am PT
Fins crush Ruskies!!!!!!!

That's too bad. From what I've heard, the Russian team was the pride of the Russian people. Similar to our first Dream Team. The fact that they didn't even make the medal round is embarrassing. I don't give a sh#t Putin. But I do feel bad for the Russian citizens.

I sense a 1936 / Jesse Owens moment brewing...........

How so?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
Putin. I bet he's seething. Probably throw his team in a Gulag then invade Finland
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Feb 19, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Good hockey game being played right now.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 19, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
It's a Good Olympic Day for Norway and Finland...

Two "old" and exceptional Norwegian athletes and role models were among the winners today - Marit Bjørgen and Ole Einar Bjørndalen.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
Good to see order restored to the universe yesterday and today with Norway's wins.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 19, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
Reilly: Yes, the Chaos of Norwegian cross country skiiing didn't win today... lol...
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
All of Canadia is gripping hard right now. Come on Latvians!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
Really good hockey right now. Canada vs Latvia that is!

Congrats to Kallie Humpries for her USA slaying gold medal performance!!
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
Good to see order restored to the universe yesterday and today with Norway's wins.

Yes it's nice to see that the Olympics have so many freaking ways to give medals to who can jog on their funny little skis faster than anyone else.
Bonus points for adding shooting toy guns and combining men and girls together too, just to make sure Norway doesn't run low on medals.

If they could win anything that any other country cared about, that may be a little more impressive, but that doesn't seem to be the point.

Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:12pm PT
Crap! Good game Latvia. Canada can breath easy for a couple more days.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 19, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
Canadian national anthem

Latvian national anthem
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
I almost caught myself rooting for Latvia there. It would have been a spectacular upset. To paraphrase the commentator " A twenty K team taking out a 149 million dollar team"!

Canada better up their game!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 19, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
If they could win anything that any other country cared about, that may be a little more impressive, but that doesn't seem to be the point.

Enjoy your ice dancing Mrs Blah Blah!

DMT
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 19, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
Better go climbing Banks, I'm looking forward to your TR!


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
called me a moron for no reason upthread.

Sorry dude , but I'm still really massively butt-hurt about that whole thing. Seriously.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 19, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
Sketch, that's what is so cool about it. It was the one medal the Russians had to have.

Bruce, if you want to make an analogy from the thirties how about the Winter War of '39 when the Soviets invaded Finland and got their asses kicked.
Those Finns are tough and crafty.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 19, 2014 - 08:48pm PT
Better go climbing Banks, I'm looking forward to your TR

My TR will be reading your TR about leaving Canada when your country implodes due to losing to the US in men's and women's hockey.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 19, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
Womens hockey comes down as predicted. Hosers vs US

Starts in 13 hours.. the dates are not corrected I dont think

Beautiful night here in the alabama hills. mebbe 55 deg, Stars are out bigtime. Watching olympics though.

Car camping is soooo rough in these modern times.
WTF

climber
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:08pm PT
Ryan win or lose I'm looking forward to beers and sharpie time with you.

I just want to point out to our friends up north that no matter what happens.......


We still have the Stanley Cup Bisheees.

Come on down and check it out if you like.

;)
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
Nice Climb2ski! The game kicks off at 9am pacific.

Banks, you really think your women are going to win?? Your men have a chance but our women are pretty dominating!!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
Careful how you use the word dominate there Mike. Our guys almost didn't dominate good enough today.

Ask Ward. He's got the term dominate dialed.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:20pm PT
Yah they only had 60 shots vs Latvias 15.. They were in the Lativan zone 70% of the time...

Not dominating at all. Lol

Gudlevskis had the best game of his career today!!!!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
oh I don't dispute how 40 minutes of play went, but in the end its the goals in net that dominates!

They need work on their power play thats for sure
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 19, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
Agreed.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:41am PT
Canada men haven't even turned it up to 70% yet. I'm just glad I won't have to paint a sickle/hammer on my face now. Looks like your off the hook too Alexey since our bet was based on a Russia/Canada gold medal game.


Banks, that's some funny sh#t. If I'm coming down there tho it's for one reason only:

Dry rock & to climb & get drunk with WTF or willbeer or you or anyone else here who can take a joke that wants to have fun.

This excludes that crusty, old patriotic poseur named Ward of course. He is way too smart for me to hang with & besides I don't trust people who don't gamble on their country when challenged by foreigners. Deserters I think they're called down there.



Edit- oops I hope that's not too much for u there Ward, my bad if it is but be aware I'm somewhere around 1/2 joking. With all posts to this thread.
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:44am PT
WTF skiing backwards???? That's not fun. It looks cool for a couple of seconds but that's it. I thought skiing was supposed to be fun.

If I were judge I'd give points for fun.

That kid with the blond dreds would get extra for the spectacular yard sale.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Womens gold medal game just started. CAN v USA Should be a good one
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
Canada men haven't even turned it up to 70% yet. I'm just glad I won't have to paint a sickle/hammer on my face now.

Good luck painting 50 stars on your forehead!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
Hope you guys aren't missing an excellent game. Very even. 0-0 after first period. Lot of shots though and great goal-tending on both sides.

Maybe the only sport where I much prefer the womens game to the mens. Well I guess there's beach volleyball too, for a different reason.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
It would appear i didn't give the american women enough credit. Hopefully our girls can make something happen with this power play.

Edit ooh another pp!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
SCORE ANOTHER!!!!!!!!!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
Banks, you really think your women are going to win?? Your men have a chance but our women are pretty dominating!!

The US beat Canada four straight heading into the Olympics. I would call that far from dominating.

It would appear i didn't give the american women enough credit.

Truer words have not been spoken. Both teams are the class of women's hockey. A true coin flip for who is better.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
That should be the game!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
Boooooom goes the dynamite!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
C'mon girls!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
Wow. Usa defense is on fire!!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
YES!! One more girls!! Let's go!!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
Figures since you couldn't score, we'd knock it in for you. Your welcome.
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
Wow!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
Unreal game. what happened to our great defense positionIng? 2 2 wow
John M

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
I'm rooting for Canadamerica. Go Team!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:24pm PT
Holy Fvck!! My tv just died!! Thanks goodness for the webcast!!

Wow!! That second goal was fricken money!! What a game!!
John M

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:27pm PT
Holy Fvck!! My tv just died!! Thanks goodness for the webcast!!

We sent Tonya harding up there to take out your TV.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:29pm PT
I was hoping my positive comment about the American D would spark something!!

Watch out Tonya! I still have my phone too! ;)
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
I know the game has to end eventually, but it would be a shame if its determined in a shoot out.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
I have a quick break from work, but I'm reluctant to indulge in hockey for fear of getting hooked on all the rest of the coverage.

For all my displeasure with some NBC editing issues, and doubts about the quality of the venue, this has been an amazingly entertaining winter Olympics. Board-o-cross, in particular, was worth all the boredom of the so-called "glamor" events in figure skating and ice dancing.

Incidentally, during the Lillehammer Olympics, they interviewed one Norwegian fan who succinctly stated my attitude toward figure skating: "I find it boring. It's just yump turn, yump turn!"

Hear, hear!

John
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
Banks, agreed.

Edit 3on3?? Should be interesting!!
John M

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
those ladies are playing their hearts out. Great game.

I have 4 minutes left on my free half hour. {-(

I wish that they had offered a pay pass for internet instead of having to sign up for satellite tv, or cable.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
No penalty shot???!!!!!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
Well that sucked.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
Grats to Canada. You earned it. Hell of a comeback!
John M

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
what happened. My free time timed out.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Usa played amazing too!! Great hockey!!!

Edit 4 on three powerplay goal John.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
Damn, what happened Ward? The americans were "dominating".
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:55pm PT
Congrats to Canada. Crushing defeat for US. Let's go US Men!
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
Marie Poulin with the winner!!!
John M

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
Damn.. I don't think that they should play sudden death. It should be full periods.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
cheers Banks - the americans can be equally proud. they had us on the ropes then.. sh#t happens

In this case, pretty good shit!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Damn, what happened Ward? The americans were "dominating".

Neither team dominated. US was fortunate to be up in the last period. Very even game regarding ice position and shot spread. US defense was near flawless except in the last minute.

Canada tied in the last minute of regular time due to a defense positioning error and then won in sudden death with good passing during a power play and picked a great shot.

One of the better hockey games I've ever seen, except for the ending.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
Aw nuts!

Still the best hockey game I ever saw (though the officiating was inconsistent).
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
Good womens hockey (and this was) is just so much better to watch than mens. Due to the lack of checking allowed. It just flows.
new world order2

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
Now that was a well played game, by both teams.

Congrats U.S., on the silver medal.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Roger that. How about that open net goal post? That would have been the nail in the coffin.

Climb - I'm just yankin' his chain. He knows what i mean!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 20, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
Yeah this game had it all.

Ok enough sitting on my butt watching electronic devices, I'm on a beautiful three day trip on the eastside and it's nice a warm. Cyas later
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
Damn, what happened Ward? The americans were "dominating".

BruceJim KayBrennan:
Sorry , three things I'm not into: gambling and hockey and soccer. (Well ,there are others but those will have to do for now)
I still think the worst insult is to call someone "a hockey puck" ala Don Rickles.
My time for team sports are taken up by football and basketball. Football is the next winter Olympic sport. LOL

Did the US lose in Harkey? Drat!!
Do we still dominate in the medal tally?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 20, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
Bruce,


I have some bad news my mom told me today. You and I were once conjoined twins until a doctor was *LIBERAL* with a scalpel...

I told you to keep quiet about this, Ward !

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 20, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
No sh#t? I thought that was just a benign tumor I was dragging around.

What around here we call a right winger
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
Myself and a few buds are hitting the the bar at noon.

This will be a great game.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
Alright Banks, looking forward to that TR. April 1 sound like enough time to put something together??

I plan on drinking Willbeers microbrews while I read it :-)
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
Alright Banks, looking forward to that TR. April 1 sound like enough time to put something together??

Ah s%#t, you're still here! Although it was a crushing defeat, at least your country won't implode when the men lose tomorrow. Maybe some rioting, but you're safe for now.

Credit to the ladies for an excellent game by both teams.

Does a trip to the grocery store count?
April 1 is plenty of time.

WBraun

climber
Feb 20, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
Russian hockey team lost because the Putinator didn't play goalie.

No one would have scored against the Putinator.

If they tried the Putinator would have his cold war ex agents exterminate those that tried.

Russia would have won the Gold !!!!!

The Russians are stupid not using the Putinator as goalie ......
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 20, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
I want to see the putinator go off the 120 meter jump with a frozen hot dog up his ass...
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Feb 20, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
Assuming most of us get the same national commercials; is anyone else getting tired of the Apple Air Pad commercial? The first 10 times it was kinda moving and pretty unique. The last 2000 times...well....STOP...it ruining a perfectly good sentiment.
Susan
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:44am PT
Woo-hoo! Going for the gold in curling tomorrow morning. Can't wait for the game!!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 21, 2014 - 04:23am PT
Outrageous, what happened to Pussy Riot.

If it wasn't for the Olympics, they would be locked up at this moment.



Was wondering what they are singing about.

Lyrics for "Putin Will Teach You How To Love The Motherland"

$50 billion and a rainbow ray
Rodnina and Kabayeva will pass you the torch
They'll teach you to submit and cry in the camps
Fireworks for the bosses. Hail, Duce!

Sochi is blocked, Olympus is under surveillance
Special forces, weapons, crowds of cops
FSB - argument, Interior Ministry - Argument
On [state-owned] Channel 1 - applause.

Putin will teach you to love the Motherland.

In Russia, the spring can come suddenly
Greetings to the Messiah in the form of a volley from
Aurora, the prosecutor is determined to be rude
He needs resistance, not pretty eyes

An bird cage for protest, vodka, nesting doll
Jail for the Bolotnaya [activists], drinks, caviar
The Constitution is in a noose, [environmental activist] Vitishko is in jail
Stability, food packets, fence, watch tower

Putin will teach you to love the Motherland

They will turn off Dozhd's broadcast
The gay parade has been sent to the outhouse
A two-point bathroom is the priority
The verdict for Russia is jail for six years
Putin will teach you to love the Motherland


Motherland
Motherland
Motherland
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:26am PT



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:49am PT
whoa. high stakes!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:57am PT
Putinator as goalie. I like that

Sad loss for US women but silver is still bad ass!

Womens figure skaters took a dive :(

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Gold for Tahoe 20 yr. old Maddie Bowman in womens half pipe skiing.

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:33am PT
German biathlete test positive - Sachenbacher-Stehle
new world order2

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:45am PT
Lulz...."Loser keeps Bieber".

You're on!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:59am PT
Pussy riot is my new favorite band, that video was awesome.


Everyone ready for some hockey? Willbeer, WTF looks like the moment of truth is approaching.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
Hockey

Sweden-Finland: 2-1

Canada or USA?
Ben Harland

Gym climber
Kenora, ON
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Looks pretty tight after 10 minutes
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
Anybody know what TV channel/ network is covering the hockey game?
new world order2

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
^^^^CBC---Communist Broadcasting Corporation. AKA...Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

Or here, online..... http://olympics.cbc.ca/videos/live/video/men-hockey-semi-final-webcast-35935.html
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
Good hockey
Hoser

climber
vancouver
Feb 21, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
1 up, woohoo
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
Hope you Merricans are polishing up your bronze carabiners....

And how bout our curlers?! Granite excites me!
new world order2

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
Well fought, U.S. ! We wouldn't have wanted it any other way.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
suns out and the rock is drying. Good game yanks!
overwatch

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
nice job Canada you deserve it made us look silly out there
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
Another great game,the best hockey there is ,Olympic Hockey!

Yeah Ryan pm me ,I owe you 12.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
Sounds good Wilbeer, I'll hit u up soon. Ideally I'd prefer to drink em with you sometime but not sure when I'll be out that way? It's looking like never as of always, but maybe we'll find a way:-) Good game guys.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 21, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
Do not be afraid,I am a man of my word.
And yes ,I'd prefer to have one with you,but you guys deserve the credit.
You know I pretty much grew up playing the game in your country,Cheers to you,and Canada.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 21, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
So the French seem to be the kings of wax, this warm-snow Olympics. Seems to favor their slickery tech!










DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 21, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
as interesting as hockey is, the real game is taking an interesting twist. Putin is having a terrible last few days of Sochi. Aside from Finland DESTROYING the ruskies in hockey, the civil war in the Ukraine has caused a few Ukraine athletes to quit and try to get home... inly to find they are being held capitve til the end of the games.

But the real deal is his gangster ally Yanukovich is being abandoned by everyone now:

Yulia Tymoshenko Freed? Ukraine Parliament Votes To Release Jailed Former Prime Minister
The Huffington Post | by Ryan Craggs

The Associate Press reports Ukraine's Parliament has voted to free jailed former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

Tymoshenko, a vocal opposition leader and one of the faces of the 2004 Orange Revolution, was convicted in October 2011 after of exceeding her powers as prime minister. She was sentenced to seven years in prison. Her incarceration has led to strained ties between the former Soviet nation and the West, with both the United States and the European Union condemning the jailing as a "politically motivated" act.

As BBC News' Moscow correspondent Daniel Sandford points out, the vote to free Tymoshenko will still need to be signed into law by embattled President Viktor Yanukovych, Tymoshenko's principal rival.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/21/yulia-tymoshenko-freed-ukraine-parliament-votes_n_4831762.html?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada


I'm just waiting for the first athlete to whip out a rainbow flag or something on the podium. Maybe the entire Canadian Hockey team? wouldn't that be a pisser!
WTF

climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
I am going to assume we lost the game being that Ryan has posted good game and acknowledge he will be enjoying willbeers 12 pack.

Ryan I'm good for it. I look forward to seeing you at face lift and or your next visit to the east side. I assure you when we meet again you will not be surprised who made the bet with you.
The last time we met we had a nice time together it was fun hanging with you and Big Mike.

Let me know if you are headed this way before face lift. The nights on me all you can swill.
Peace and good job Canada.

At least we still have the Cup. ;)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Feb 21, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
So Cryptic WTF! You're killing me!!


But I am looking forward to meeting up(again, damn I must have been pie eyed!) I'll let u know when I'm headed that way for sure. Might not be able to swing facelift this year but will definitely be down there at some point right in the areas you mention. Cheers man.




Bruce, that link u posted is pretty interesting.





Hey anywhere in Squamish playing the gold medal game live @ 4am on Sunday morn??
Lollie

Social climber
I'm Lolli.
Feb 21, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
To get the proportions... there's 4000 persons playing curling in Sweden. One & half million in Canada.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
I'm just waiting for the first athlete to whip out a rainbow flag or something on the podium. Maybe the entire Canadian Hockey team? wouldn't that be a pisser!

A....rainbow flag.....woooooooo......yeeeeeeeee.....wooo....yeeee.....woo..ye...wooyee

A rainbow flag with little pink bows .

Ahhhhhhhhhhh
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
I'm sorry Ward.... would you be more impressed if they whipped out some IUD's and ak47's?

wait a minute.... an intra uterine device? Thats not right! What are those improvised bombs called?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
With the total gun control traditionally imposed by the totalitarian/socialist puppet regime in the Ukraine , I think the AK47 might be the more appropriate---although I don't see this happening amonst the Red brethren of the extreme north.

So ... My prediction....the freedom fighters in the Ukraine will be repressed and beaten back and they will have to go underground again. They will be unaided by forces in the West who are currently wallowing in state welfare payments and busy waving rainbow flags and projecting weakness---as they are currently doing in Venezuela

Besides It is the Cossack lot in life , to be be "dominated" by the Russians . I believe they even have a term for that. At any rate, Stalin starved millions of them in the 1930s---you know the same Stalin that weak-kneed fawning Western leftist intellectuals lavishly praised for his forward -looking humanity.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 21, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
You want to put some money on that prediction? You might be right but no one has actually seen
Yanakovich for 2 days now and they just let his main rival out of the brig and have unilaterally granted amnesty from prosecution to all those freedom fighters you're talking about. Putin better start whip cracking to reverse the flow there. Problem is, the optics are not suitable for the
Olympic spirit. He'll have to wait a week before he napalms.