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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Some moron on the TV has moronic ideas? Yawn.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
We aren't surprised...are we?
WyoRockMan

climber
Flank of the Big Horns
Dec 19, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
Is Sarah Palin going to support Martin Brashir's right to "free speech"?

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
On the advice of a couple of friends, who apparently entertain more easily that Heidi & me, we tried watching an episode.

I couldn't believe the characters, and I've spent plenty of time around redneck culture. Heidi bolted after about 5 minutes, but I lasted most of the episode, wanting to believe that something that matched my low-life sense of humor might appear.

Never again. Do people like that actually exist?
Branscomb

Trad climber
Lander, WY
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
White trash comes into a lot of money, then they start thinking they know something. Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, etc etc etc. The American dream, baby! A virtual Horatio Alger in camo!
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
It is not an act.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Moose, please link and quote the "racist" things which you think that Duck said.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Moose, please link and quote the "racist" things which you think that Duck said

It's plastered all over the news media. Just go to CNN's home page.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
He is a right wing,born again christian. What did you expect? He has a right to free speech ,his beliefs, and opinion So now you know where he stands. If you do not like it don't watch the program, buy Duck Commander products, or Ducky Dynasty merch.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Amen, eKat.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
I think the point here is that one needs to understand that the senior Mr. Robertson is basing
his opinions on ONLY his personal experiences.

For examples, because he is a heterosexual and very probably has never spent any time reading or even trying to understand homosexuality, he therefore makes conclusions with very limited information.

Same with "blacks", because he personally ONLY witnessed "happy" black people working in the fields he concludes that well, they are just fine, and their lives were ok and happy and all this
"welfare" like food stamps and stuff just really did no good and did not makes their lives better.


And that really is the issue, isn't it?

Mr Robertson, like so many other people, comes to sweeping conclusions effortlessly and easily,
because it is easier to do that then spend the time and effort actually learning and questioning.

And by choosing to have a lazy intellect, he is going to hear other people exercise their right of free speech by calling him uninformed, misinformed, and just plain ignorant.

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Thanks, I hadn't seen that quote before, only the one about his Christian beliefs as it relates to gays and bestiality.

This is the quote being discussed in case the article gets moved or disappears: (On growing up in pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana)
..."said that during his Louisiana childhood, he picked cotton with African-Americans before “entitlements” and “welfare” came along, and never saw “the mistreatment of any black person. Not once.”

“Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers,” he told the magazine. “I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field…. They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”"
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
Ron Anderson, defender of bigotry and ignorance!

The dude compared homosexuality to adultery, rape and bestiality. I'm sure he's laughing as he's suspended.

I'm all for it - I think he shouldn't be suspended. If you are ignorant, please - be ignorant. As publicly as possible. I hope he draws a line deep in the sand so that people who share those ignorant beliefs are seen as the disillusioned children they are.

The world needs Phil. Like a bug zapper for idiots.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
It's no more offensive than your typical night on MSNBC or The Daily Show.

But it's offensive to different people. Those worked up over MSNBC could care less about what Robertson believes and vice versa.

The truth remains, it's entertainment, and lots of entertainers have lots of beliefs that are out of the mainstream. And I admit, I consider those beliefs in selecting by whom I choose to be entertained.

He can say what he wants in the U.S., and his potential viewers can select whether or not to view him based on what he says. To that extent, at least, it remains a free country.

John
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
why is it only stoopid white trash get shows?
why can't normal people get a show? like some small business owner, or some regular person with a regular job?
why is it only the freaks and goofs get shows?!?!?
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
^^^I like the Wild Alaska show on Discovery. Those people seem pretty cool.

edit: I meant the The Last Frontier Alaska
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
So when he says, "Phuque a duck" it is actually code for gay sex?

I think that the show is all a set up, but at the same the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Many rednecks really are that stupid.

This guy should have been gagged long ago.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Norton, good post.

So he in essence said they were the same as the blacks there in that time.

Not really, rednecks weren't getting strung up by their rednecks for daring to do things like...vote!
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
why is it only stoopid white trash get shows?

Because stupid white trash love to WATCH these shows.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
This thread should die on STACO... Where everybody is intellectually way above television...
Bunch of tools I tell ya'!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
JEleazarian said:
"He can say what he wants in the U.S., and his potential viewers can select whether or not to view him based on what he says. To that extent, at least, it remains a free country."

No. That's not a firm thing John. All of us have (differing) limits on what we consider acceptable speech. This isn't as bad as some of the White Power BS, not even close. But it shows a certain dullness and lack of savvy on Phil Roberstons part. Norton said it pretty good up thread. Norton said:
"Mr Robertson, like so many other people, comes to sweeping conclusions effortlessly and easily,
because it is easier to do that then spend the time and effort actually learning and questioning.

And by choosing to have a lazy intellect, he is going to hear other people exercise their right of free speech by calling him uninformed, misinformed, and just plain ignorant"

See a lot of that here on ST too.
i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
From 1956, when he turned 10, through 1968, there were 3 whites and 4 blacks lynched in the US.
why didn't you choose when he was 9 years old?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:14pm PT
couch, the Constitution puts the limits of legal speech quite broadly. The nature of freedom of speech is to protect offensive speech, because inoffensive speech needs no protection.

I don't find this an issue of freedom of speech, though, because I think A&E has every right to discontinue a show of anyone whose speech they find unacceptable, in their sole discretion. I have that same right, by choosing to whom I listen or watch. Put differently, I may have no right to prevent someone from saying something I find unacceptable, but I have every right to react to unacceptable speech by judging the speakers by what is said, and boycotting interaction with them.

John
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
From 1956, when he turned 10, through 1968, there were 3 whites and 4 blacks lynched in the US.

Really? You must be young and not remember the '60s. Let's not be technical, and include shootings, beatings and explosives along with the lynchings.
http://www.splcenter.org/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs

http://www.crmvet.org/mem/msmartyr.htm
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:37pm PT

I can't believe people are getting worked up over this.

It's no more offensive than your typical night on MSNBC or The Daily Show.

Hey Sketch your "sheet" is showing. Maybe you should cut bigger eye holes your vision seems blurred.

He can say what he wants in the U.S., and his potential viewers can select whether or not to view him based on what he says. To that extent, at least, it remains a free country.
yeah! It's not like he was the Dixie Chicks protesting Bush's illegal wars or something bad.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Whew, when I read the OP title I thought this was gonna be about Werner.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Never heard about any lynchings. Never saw any shooting, beatings or explosives.

So, if you didn't see it, it didn't happen?
Capt.

climber
some eastside hovel
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
The show's about self-proclaimed "rednecks".Why's everyone acting so shocked?Jeez.It's real easy...Don't watch it or support it then.
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
And we care what some scraggly-bearded hick who makes duck calls thinks becaaauussee...
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Do people like that actually exist?


From one who was a kid in the deep south in the 1940s: yes . . . and much worse. DD Dad is not so bad in comparison.
GuapoVino

Trad climber
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Roberson is talking out of his @$$, which is pretty common in those circles. The Bible calls it teaching a false gospel and you probably can assume what the bible says about THAT (not good).

Homosexuality is only mentioned in the bible seven times, and all of those are in the old testament, and not one mention of gay marriage. Jesus never said a single thing about homosexuality. One might even assume from his silence on the issue that it wasn't a big issue for him. In contrast, there are hundreds of references by Jesus on economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth. Hmmm.

I debate Christians a lot and am always surprised to learn how many of them are ignorant of what the bible actually says. You would think that if you were a Christian and if the bible was the inspired word of God that you would at least want to know what God had to say. That always puzzled me. It's also puzzling how they can go back and forth on whether or not we are supposed to follow stuff in the old testament. If it suits them we are, if it doesn't suit them we aren't.

Here's a few verses from the old testament that might interest Roberson, who likes to eat frog legs and crawdads. According to the bible it's an abomination, but only in the old testament. I know, it's confusing.

Leviticus 11:9-13
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
I didn't say that. You seem to knowledgeable on that chapter of our history. Tell us all about seeing blacks getting strung up for daring to do things like...vote!

Do you deny that the KKK existed? Do you deny that blacks were persecuted in this country for trying to exercise their constitutional rights?
GhoulweJ

Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Gary, why do you say "existed"... Wake up man!
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
And we care what some scraggly-bearded hick who makes duck calls thinks becaaauussee...

Because we must punish those that have beliefs that do align with ours. Or at least that what appears is happening.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Apparently A&E knew all about his religious beliefs long before casting him in the "show".
I guess it is well documented on video.

So they knowingly hired him and then fired him for voicing his beliefs.

That makes sense....in Hollywood.


happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Ekat what do you think Archie Bunker would be thought of today lol!;-)

The "All In The Family" show used Archie Bunker's bigotry to HIGHLIGHT the offensive nature of bigotry. Carrol O'Connor was not a bigot in actuality, and it was well known during the time that he was playing a character with with the purpose of breaking down the barriers that had been upheld in this country over the years.

Here is Carrol O'Connor doing an interview, along with Jean Stapleton( who played Edith Bunker). You'll notice that neither of those two seemed to need to "stay in character" off stage.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
No thanks bro..just tellin' it like it is though. I don't support his views but I do support his right to express his views.







Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Hmmmm, let's see, a redneck who is a racist homophobe. Who woulda thought? I mean really, what a surprise!

Stoopid 'mericans
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Dec 19, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Caitlin Cahow breaks it down, with eloquence and maturity (M. Lauer asks her about the Duck controversy):

http://www.today.com/news/gay-olympian-proud-represent-us-diversity-delegate-russia-2D11775075



~peace
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
If you want to learn anything about how duck calls are made or how they work, whatever you do, DON'T watch the Duck Call Show, because for some reason, it isn't about duck calls.

Television at its worst.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
I paraphrase Phil Robertson on catching folks stealing his fish from hoop nets
I came up on them with a gun and said take all the fish you want (b/c Jesus preaches to love thy neighbor and enemy) He never had a problem again from folks stealing his fish.
How would you have executed that situation?
-Q-ball
http://www.iamsecond.com/seconds/the-robertsons/ interesting inside to his thoughts
10b4me

Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Ron, All in the Family was a comedy because it was a parody of the ignorant, and racist view point of a segment of society that existed then, and unfortunately still exist.
People laughed because it was a comedy. Nobody took it seriously. Unfortunately, the aforementioned segment of society that watches this duck show is too dumb to know any better.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Serious stuff here eh boys??

Duck calls, Archie bunker & Nazi's

Yep just another Thursday afternoon on supertopo lol!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Way surprised to see Ron on this thread.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
So you can say any nutcrap, homophobic crap you want and get a free pass because you're "religious? What kind of religion is this? Have you no sense of decency? What is wrong with you people?

Next, you'll be whining about the The "War on Christmas" a total fiction: a make-believe issue manufactured by a by a right-wing noise machine to perpetuate a culture war and keep the Fake News base trapped in the echo chamber.
michae1

Gym climber
san jose
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
he is entitled to his beliefs , if you don't like them then dont watch the show
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
What would you call Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. if he said a kid that felt homosexual should get some help but not to worry?

Is he a racist and a scared of gays?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
So why is Phil Robertson not affored that same right?

I don't believe a single person in this thread has said the person doesn't have the legal right to free speech, but if you'd like to point out the instances, I'm happy to take note.

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Or was there similar outrage and I just missed it?

Yes, you missed it. He was fired.
this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
You mean to tell me a Louisiana Redneck is a homophobe and a racist? No sh#t? Whoda thunk it?
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Roberson is talking out of his @$$, which is pretty common in those circles. The Bible calls it teaching a false gospel and you probably can assume what the bible says about THAT (not good).

Homosexuality is only mentioned in the bible seven times, and all of those are in the old testament, and not one mention of gay marriage. Jesus never said a single thing about homosexuality. One might even assume from his silence on the issue that it wasn't a big issue for him. In contrast, there are hundreds of references by Jesus on economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth. Hmmm.

I debate Christians a lot and am always surprised to learn how many of them are ignorant of what the bible actually says. You would think that if you were a Christian and if the bible was the inspired word of God that you would at least want to know what God had to say. That always puzzled me. It's also puzzling how they can go back and forth on whether or not we are supposed to follow stuff in the old testament. If it suits them we are, if it doesn't suit them we aren't.

Here's a few verses from the old testament that might interest Roberson, who likes to eat frog legs and crawdads. According to the bible it's an abomination, but only in the old testament. I know, it's confusing.

Leviticus 11:9-13
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


+1
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
The redneck DID NOT have any of his first amendment rights taken from him. His employer simply decided that he was an embarrassment and fired his fat, ignorant ass.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Why is it the activist gays are the only group all butt hurt over this?

Whiskerino lumped a bunch of others, like adulterers and drunkards, onto the same sinner totem pole he put the gays on.

But you don't see swinger groups ( adulterers ) or anyone in the alcohol industry butt hurt over being called sinners.

Walk into any bar, and tell the people getting drunk there that they're all a bunch of sinners, and their answer will be "so what?".

Why can't the activist gays say "so what" when faced with the same accusation?

The gay activists need to butch-up, and put their big-boy pants on.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
Yeah....homophobic, racist and ,oh yeah, my extremely fat ass. Fact is dude, i mean Cragman, he said some pretty stupid things for a public figure and, thankfully, paid the price.....his First Amendment rights fully intact.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:56pm PT

The whole Liberal agenda is attacking him.

oh, I guess them liberals get upset about ignorant bigots, especially when they are rolled into one man

but a better question is, why isn't the "whole conservative agenda NOT attacking him"?

huh?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
This "PC Police" is another fictional bunch of bs made up by the Fake News/Sarah Palin crowd. Doesn't exist.

Equating Miley Cyrus's weird dance to Duck Dude's offensive garbage is deceptive.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
What if I said I don't approve of potheads, but I will treat them all good and respect them as God has instructed.

Or if I believe traditional marriage is between one man and one women and don't want any harm to come to anyone?

That is the message I read.

What the hell have ya'll been reading or thinking?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Happiegirl...he was booted off his show....hello!

Ah, I see.. I think. I thought you were referring to comments from people here on this thread.

Cragman - Remember when CMac FINALLY pulled the threads with boob picture because his advertisers pulled their ad dollars? Not because CMac thought there was anything wrong with the objectification and/or misogyny that was so obviously associated with many of the posts, but because he was losing money.

It's a similar thing.

Supertopo- a privately owned enterprise with an owner who is allowed to make his own choices.

TLC(or whichever TC station ran that Duck Dynasty show - a privately owned enterprise with an owner who is allowed to make his or her own choices.


The man is not being arrested or charged with a criminal wrongdoing.



Let's turn this on an angle. Suppose you have a new preacher in your church. He comes on and says some stuff which people are sort of like "Hmmm. well, I'm not so sure about this new preacher. I mean, was he saying it was okay for the alter boys to pee on the hosts before communion because, boys will be boys and urine is really sterile so it wouldn't actually HURT anyone?" (just an example)

And more instances like this happen, where the congregation is beginning to think "Maaaaybe hiring this preacher wasn't the best choice...."

Then the preacher is asked to do a radio show, a local community show not associated with the church or religion in any way really. The preacher is being interviewed about patience, as part of a show where the focus is on dealing with family members who are testing one's patience.

in this interview, the preacher brings up dogs. He says something like "Well, dogs are just stupid, and being patient with them makes no sense because they can't learn anyway. I mean - dogs lick their own balls, for crying out loud! And then he says "I sure the hell would never have a dirty smelly dog in my house. I think it's okay to dump an unwanted of on the side of the road. They'll either live or die - no big deal. But of course make up some story for the benefit of your kid who asks why Fido hasn't been around. The kid is probably not old enough to understand how bad dogs are, and we are discussing being patient with our family memers here..."


Would you think the congregation ought to leave what's said alone, or do you think they should tell the preacher - "we don't feel you are the best representative for our group anymore?"



Edit: And I am sorry if reading about a dog brought up sadness over the loss of your beloved Cush. I miss Teddy every day myself,and using the dog example was not intended to somehow...well, I don't know!
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Caitlin Cahow breaks it down, with eloquence and maturity (M. Lauer asks her about the Duck controversy):

http://www.today.com/news/gay-olympian-proud-represent-us-diversity-delegate-russia-2D11775075



~peace


*throwing up my hands*

Have fun, boys.




~Ciao
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Cragman, you are wrong. He is well paid to represent a network that receives income from sponsors. I salute the decision to get this idiot off the air, although it's probably temporary. It took a lot if courage, especially knowing the vitriol that would come their way from the right wing extremists.

By the way, you find his comments reprehensible, right? Or are you conservatives just circling the wagons, per usual? Nobody plays victim better than the Fox crowd.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
happy girl-
How does your analogy relate to any of Phil Robertson's quotes?

Dumping dogs off the road?

I guess you are unaware that they (Phil's and family) have taken many homeless into their home many folks, fed them housed them then told them god bless and good luck.

Oh, I forgot to say the race of folks they helped, but that doesn't concern me or hid family.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
Cragman....yes, he voiced his opinions, but, as a public figure, it was stupid to pubicly say what he did. He was fired by his employer who feared adverse publicity. His free speech rights were fully protected, no government agency made any move against him.

The fact remains that he suffered because of capitalisim....his, for profit, employers feared an adverse economic situation should they keep him employed.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
I'm having a tough time finding exactly what Whiskerino said that was offensive to anyone who isn't just looking for something to be offended by.

He says guys are naturally attracted to gals. Can't argue with that. You and I being here is proof of that.

He says he can't figure out why a guy would be sexually attracted to another guy. Is that so far out there? Plenty of gays can't imagine why anyone would be attracted to someone of the opposite sex.

He included drunkards on the same shitlist the gays found themselves on. Whiskers ( sorry, I don't know Hairy's name, and I don't feel like looking it up ) looks to me like he's either a heavy drinker right now, or was a serious drunk at one time. ( I'd bet the farm on that, having worked around drunks most of my life, I can spot them )

If he said something I missed that should outrage reasonable people, please highlight it for me, as I've honestly missed it.

That only one or two groups - out of the several he spotlighted - feel butt hurt tells me those groups want to be butt hurt.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
There is no PC Movement. It's fiction. Made up by Fox, Limbaugh, et al to excuse any type of offensive behavior.
Right wing, tea party extremist and their willing accomplices in the media have moved the dial of what is acceptable to the far, far right. That, if anything, is ruining the country.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
It's Fox. The Victim Channel has them all worked up. Sells lots of soap suds and dog food.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
If it was a business deal to fire Phil, they would fire the rest of the family as well. This is no secret on their personal/religious beliefs.

And if it was simply business, than why are all you folks mad about a guy you never listened to or watched?

Do you just cheer seeing folks making money get slammed?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
He pissed off Management.

That should be enough to get anyone fired anywhere.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Look, most Republicans share his views. To them he didn't say anything wrong, probably stuff they share every day over lunch.
This creep will be a bigger star now, don't fret. The Right protect their own.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
Didn't it take until some time after November of 2012 for President Obama to "evolve" his beliefs so that he could accept same-sex marriage?
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
C'mon folks . . . "Duck Dynasty"? Give me a f*#king break here! This is prime television slime oozing from your Tv set.

Nice Donini vs. Cragmon throwdown . . . don't succumb to the passive aggressor.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Whoa now! I love the Kos for his intelligent and insightful perspectives . . . so does Jesus for that matter.

rSin . . . that is a disturbing photo. White bastards.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Ding....Mr. Robertson's opinions on a subject do NOT make him unable to do his TV show....why should he be fired?

It's your precious "market forces" at work, Cragman. Hey, maybe he should organize a union, huh? Kinda like what Durruti was talking about.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
So, you rush to VEHEMENTLY defend some dude fired for making homophobic, racially ignorant and insensitive comments. Why? I think it says a lot about your real character.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:53pm PT
Look, most Republicans share his views. To them he didn't say anything wrong, probably stuff they share every day over lunch.
This creep will be a bigger star now, don't fret. The Right protect their own.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
Mr Kos writes:

"Yeah Chaz, this is about Obama. Be sure to bring up Obama. It's always about Obama."



The right thing to do is still the right thing, even if just done recently. I wasn't trying to take a shot at Obama.

I figured Obama would serve as an excellent example, being a well-known progressive, of someone well into the Twenty-First Century not "getting it".

Some places aren't as enlightened as Washington DC, so it may take them longer to get it than it took our President.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:03pm PT
FAKE. The outrage about this is FAKE. They get their FAKE outrage from FAKE News. They are programmed to think they have to rush in and patch FAKE holes that don't exist. They are manipulated perfectly by the FAKE noise machine.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Well now! I am impressed with how indignant some on this thread can be about how unjust it is that an employer can fire a worker who "screwed the pooch."

Take hope America!

I predict Duck Dynasty will be on Faux network next fall------and of course will be a huge-hit!

Does anyone here want to admit to actually watching and enjoying this pack of bearded redneck Christian Cretins stumble through each episode------or are you just supporting their right to be genetically-deficient and on network TV?
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
Lets keep this simple
He is a Christian that is against homosexuality
He grew up poor working with blacks and felt happy and saw the same in them

Please explain to this hillbilly from TN why he is racist or homo whatever?
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
How about his target audience. Simple message unscripted.

http://www.iamsecond.com/seconds/the-robertsons/
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
Q, he expressed himself is graphic, offensive language, throwing in oddball comments about how great black people had it in Louisiana in the 50's. Some people, apparently not you, have a problem buying products endorsed by this person.

He can spout this crap all day long on the street corner. Start a church, whatever. He has lost no rights.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
Ding....Mr. Robertson's opinions on a subject do NOT make him unable to do his TV show....why should he be fired?

Can't argue with that : /
whitemeat

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
sorry that I havent looked through all past 171 posts to see if someone has posted thins but I am!

on facebook there is a new page called "bring back phil robinsen" and it has 208K likes already after starting yesterday... pretty funny me thinks!!
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
I didn't realize it was racist to work with blacks or believe in your religion of choice.
Especially if your motto is to treat "even your enemies as friends and wish them the best".

He is not trying to force anything down your throat, he just wants to duck hunt and spread his faith.

QUESTION- are following the ten commandments a bad way to live life?

Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
Crankster- He was giving his personal opinion on growing up poor among blacks and working aside them. Who are you to tell him he and his colored colleagues shouldn't have been happy?

Are you mad that a poor man regardless of race is now doing quite well?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
What a load of crap, Q. I don't watch that white trash sh#t. He can make a fortune selling ducks calls or weed, I don't give a f*#k. His idiotic opinion makes him a racist, homophobe, like, I suspect, you.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
I think you're a racist, homophobe, however, as is Cragman.

I don't think Cragman is a racist. His posting history indicates homophobia (or maybe some kind of twisted "love the sinner, hate the sin" thing), but not racism.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
Likewise, Cragman. I find you incredibly boorish.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
How'd you like to lick that as#@&%es boot Cragmon? Whitey givin' it to the poor black dude . . . no PC there Bro.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Crankster- I now understand you are unaware of the meaning of certain words like racist.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
My personal feeling is that you "outraged" right-wingers aren't really outraged. You tuned into talk radio, and/or Fox and got your marching orders. You've read Sarah Palin's tweet and said " right on". You're invested in this idiotic "PC Police" fiction and are moving forward with it, blind and mindless.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Me three!
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
No, I lean right but I am very independent. I farm and pray for rain occasionally. I do go to church on Sunday at 11:00. Sorry this upsets you.

I also always pray for the less fortunate and my family
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
Q-Ball is quite the fisherman.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
"Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash," he said. "They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

So, Q and Cragman can't figure out why this is offensive. Basically, he's saying that blacks under Jim Crow (a level barely above slavery) were better off. No problems, no trouble, just do what the white man says and accept your status as a second class citizen.

Cragman is outraged! This man's constitutional right to sell tv advertising spots has been taken away! The nation is in peril! Pray to Jaasuss, one and all, for we have gone down the path to degradation!!!!
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:01am PT
Where's the Truckee Trustafari when we need him most?
kpinwalla2

Social climber
WA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:02am PT
Experiencing social and economic consequences for bigoted speech is not the same as not having freedom of speech.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Crankster,

I could say the same thing about working with Mexicans.

We didn't hoe any cotton, but we flipped burgers and mopped floors. Printed a whole lot of T-shirts.

I don't see what's offensive to anybody who isn't looking for something to offend them. Dude was reporting what he saw.

You'll notice drunkards aren't offended.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:13am PT
the Liberal PC agenda

Ok, no more name-calling, I'll try. Gotta control myself when talking to the haters. Yikes, I did it again! Bad. Bad. I'll try harder, it's Christmas. Oops, the Holiday's....
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:14am PT
Remember kids - you can't just go around calling everyone a racist.

Jammer however is a Zionist anti-Semite sent by the devil to downgrade our off widths.


Fact.

#fact
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:15am PT

Get it now?


An esoteric micro community and their ethics are a tad different than human rights and dignity.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:16am PT
He is a right wing,born again christian. What did you expect? He has a right to free speech ,his beliefs, and opinion So now you know where he stands. If you do not like it don't watch the program, buy Duck Commander products, or Ducky Dynasty merch.

And I'm sure that at another time, you would have said that if you don't like lynching blacks, don't buy white sheets.

but we purport to be civilized people, living in a modern society. To have people have a national stage to spew forth this sort of hate and misunderstanding of Jesus, and to say nothing about it, gives up those responsibilities of citizenship. The guy has the right to say whatever he wants. but so do the rest of us.
WBraun

climber
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:16am PT
the one Bachar got punched for in the Valley?

Now you're making up sh!t you know nothing about.

Him getting TKOed had absolutely nothing to do with climbing at all.

99.9% of people don't know the real history of that event .....
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Mr. Robertson simply stated his opinion

Cragman, you are really lost. I know you don't care what I think, but, man, how can you believe this? You have read his comments. According to you, there are no workplace standards, any employee can express any deplorable, offensive opinion in a national publication, offend millions of people, and the employer has no right to reprimand their employee (he was suspended, not fired).

I am of the opinion, (yes, I know, you don't care), that you must mostly agree with him.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Nope.

Sorry Dean.

I'm never looking at this god forsaken thread again.
I'd rather hold on to a shred of respect for you.

Adios
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Cragman- I see it different. I grew up in the country, climbing trees or picking up rocks from our garden was my childhood. I was happy, never new the troubles that were in Washington. Now I am an adult and many folks on supertopo seem to view that as a bad thing.

I also grew up with many colored folks and we were best friends. This racial divide still hasn't started between the farmer/locals, it is still a city thing now.

Calling us ignorant and racist is hard to respond to because I don't see color when i shake a man's hand.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:31am PT
WBraun! Thanks for your thoughts on Cragman's reply:
Now you're making up sh!t you know nothing about.

That appears to be where most of the butt-hurt whining on this thread comes from.

Since I don't watch Faux News, I have no real idea if they have brainwashed their minions to protest the fact that an American Corporation fired one of their employees for "screwing the Pooch."

What's up with that?
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:34am PT
I also grew up with many colored folks

Tell me more, Uncle Tom!
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:36am PT
And what's with the "Mr. Robertson" ?

You never use "Mr." when using the president's name, but you refer to this guy like yer shining his boots.

Brilliant.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:41am PT
"Wizard's in the corner, catching lizards between his knees . . . and the dog, he's been long gone now, gone to kick for the winning team . . ."

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:41am PT
A little girl at our orphanage in Ecuador wasn't getting adopted because of the color of her skin. I never saw her as a little girl of color....I always saw her as another beautiful child that simply needed a family to love her.
I love the fact that now I get to see her as my beautiful daughter.

Would you have taken a young boy who wasn't getting adopted because he was gay into your family? Would you see him as your son?

Same deal. None of us had a choice about the color of our skin, and your view seems to be that because there's no choice, skin color doesn't matter.

So why can't you see the human inside the gay skin? There's no choice there either.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:43am PT
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:45am PT
Cragman is channeling Rush Limbaugh almost word for word. The worst kind of mind control.
What is it with old white dudes? The downtrodden group that runs the world.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 12:49am PT
He's on the radio. I guess you're innocent of those charges.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:03am PT
It's the anti-PC Police at work. As soon as they hear a righty was fired/demoted/reprimanded/criticized for saying something vulgar and reprehensible, the radar signal goes off and they instinctively rush to the defense, no matter the charge.

There is no shortage of people who rush in to profit. Hannity sees $$ signs and ratings, Palin sells book and Cruz gets political donations. They feed off this nonsense.

Cragman is just a willing accomplice.

Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:06am PT
Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:09am PT
O.K. I have been watching this show since two Thanksgivings ago when I was subjected to an A&E marathon in a cabin with my girlfriend's family. I can kind of relate it to a prior experience when I watched a 24 hour marathon of Dukes of Hazard which ended in some friends finding me on the sofa in a semi-catatonic state. All I could say was "Each episode left me feeling dumber and dumber"

A&E originally approached the Robertsons because they thought they were a bunch of dumb rednecks that could fufill the criterea of a reality program which includes conflict, drama, foul language etc. Once they found out these guys all had college educations, were devout christians, valued family values, etc. the network started to have second thoughts.

Then they discovered the Robertson's wacky Vietnam Vet Uncle named Si and the show took off from his antics and one-liners. Here is one of the sons Jase Robertson talking about how the show came about and the family's dislike of the entertainment industry and reality programming. If you really do not like the Robertsons skip to the 6:30 mark.[Click to View YouTube Video]

After the show became the #1 reality show on T.V. the Robertsons had some leverage to re-negotiate their contracts and to introduce more of their religious beliefs and an additional brother (who is a pastor) into the show.

Phil Robertson has been planning on leaving the show since July. http://www.today.com/entertainment/duck-dynasty-patriarch-phil-plans-leave-show-6C10765762 So basically this event has been a final attempt for him stick it to A&E.

I do not agree at all with Phil Robertson's views on homosexuality or race but I have found following the program and viewing it as part of the development of popular culture makes it truly interesting. Just for the pure fact that these guys are trying to throw a monkey wrench in reality TV.



crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:14am PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-embrace-of-duck-dynasty-star-2016-hopefuls-make-bid-for-evangelicals/2013/12/19/f42e464a-68db-11e3-a0b9-249bbb34602c_story.html

Enter the right-wing politicians looking to cash in. Predictable. The Culture Wars always ends bad for the wingnuts. Shines a light on them.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:24am PT
Another interesting thing about the Robertson clan on the race front is that Willie the CEO of Duck Commander has an adopted bi-racial son. [Click to View YouTube Video]

In the video Willie's mother Kay can be heard referring to Asians as "Orientals" This might give a little more insight of people from her generation in Monroe Lousiana.

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 20, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Don't fret, wingsters, the radical evangelical right will rally around the clever idiot from Louisiana, just like they did around that awful chicken stand, Chick-Whatever. He'll be back bigger than ever, giving the Walmart crowd a gaggle of redneck laughs. Hee Haw!!

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