Yup - another school shooting

Sounds like he wasn't there to shoot everybody, but rather a specific teacher.

So the perp is just another loser that didn't make the grade.

Yup, we need more guns.

... sensitive as ever.

you know that the armed forces of this country would not stand to enforce the repeal of the 2nd amendment.

And don't forget the KNIFING of four people on Thursday in the Bronco stadium parking lot.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.

Guns and schools do not mix.

And the appropriate response to the threat (fear) of somebody coming at you with a knife is to use comparable force to neutralize the threat. If somebody comes at you with a gun, you use appropriate force to neutralize that threat. Our self-defense laws are built upon this principle!

The problem anti-gun-nuts have is that they must tout cases just like this one as exemplars of how bad guns are; yet in these very exemplar cases, what they actually have are examples of exactly how useless legislation IS in preventing these very sorts of exemplar cases! More laws (of any kind) are not going to prevent (or even minimize) these sorts of high-profile exemplar cases.

Hmm, I think that was exactly what Frank Herbert had in mind writing those words.

What if my child doesn't want to carry all these deterrents to school with him?

The problems with nuclear power could be mitigated by not building plants in earthquake zones or tsunami zones, OR FUKKING BOTH!

But, if I lived in the area where I have to buy a gun out of fear, I would rather move away. There is a very small chance that you would be able to use this gun in self defence.

Jane Fonda doesn't like nukes....

A right doesn't have to be exercised in order to remain a right. Possessing a right does not imply its forcible exercise.

If you can't have effective violence control in PRISON, exactly HOW do you plan to have it at a school?

What LAWS do you have in mind, and, again, exactly how would those laws have prevented this particular case?

In the home of the brave, we recognize that shutting down every (or even most of the) whack job(s) requires a level of rights-infringement that is unacceptable in a free society.

In the home of the brave, we hear the NSA saying that it MUST utterly and totally invade our privacy in order to keep us safe, and we respond: We don't even want the level of safety you are after! We'll take our chances, because we won't trade off rights for security.

Governments down through history cast freedom as opposed to security. In the land of the brave, we reject that dichotomy as false. We recognize that the news-making, frothy commentary by talking heads that get paid to magnify everything is just that: frothy commentary. We recognize that among 1/3 of a billion people, there are going to be a tiny percentage of whack jobs, and they WILL make the news. So, in the home of the brave, we take the froth with a giant lump of salt, recognizing that tragedy, as tragic as it IS, is indeed small-scale when compared with national policy. So, we don't let the froth spewed by talking heads infect our national judgment. We keep things in proper perspective.

In the land of the free, some (small number) of people are going to die as a result of the (small number of) whack jobs. But because we are the home of the brave, we don't let the whack jobs (and the tragedies they produce) drive national policy. Because we are the home of the brave, we don't even expect "perfect security" or even really, really good security. We take our chances in the name of freedom, because we are the land of the free AND the home of the brave.

Present gun control laws are more than adequate, properly and consistently enforced; and they WILL NOT stop or even significantly reduce the incidence of whack jobs that are simply ignoring them.

The NSA has overreached (and lied and lied and lied about it) at a level beyond what has ever been comprehended in human history. And, clamoring for the chimera of "security," most Americans consider it a "necessary evil."

Propose an effective law, and it will pass itself.

What good would that do?

Madbolter1

I didn't suggest more laws. I suggested fewer guns.
Period. I gave mine up when I quit hunting. I don't need guns
for protection.

And I'm not afraid to use my real name, not hide behind an avatar.

There's nothing that anyone can do - guns are integrated into our society and can never be removed.

Americans are the most violent people on the planet ......

One of my buddys came out of kragen auto in the middle of the day to find two idgets going through his truck. He told them to stop- they told him they would hurt him. He drew his glock 40 and said " I dont think so".

Americans are the most violent people on the planet ......

Banks youve a nice sheeple attitude.

Interesting logic. You should probably take the tire iron and jack out of your car so you don't have to live in fear of getting a flat.

Banks, what is your address in Santa Monica?
Predators would like to know where the easiest prey is.

And climbing ropes make it more likely you'll fall.

As they investigate the latest school shooting in the United States – Friday at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colo. – one thing is clear to law enforcement officials there: The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries

The presence of an armed deputy sheriff on regular duty at the school was the key factor in preventing more deaths and injuries.

Insane.

We could make changes that save lives, without compromising anybody's right to self defense

I love it when gun nuts try evasion as a tactic.

You wanna CC a revolver? I got no problem with that, after you take a class and pass a check.

Either you make nukes legal or you set arbitrary limits. No way around it.

You. Its all about you. And your precious firearms. Well I don't give a f*#k about your right to bear arms and increasingly, my fellow Americans agree.

Mark my words. We're gonna get those guns.

We'll see what happens even here in Colorado. Two pols that voted for gun control have already been recalled (for that very reason), and the tide has turned.

I like you Ron, but I hardly think you represent mainstream America.

Do you really think that you do?

DMT is right. We're getting sick of this sh#t.

And no, WE are not some group of sheltered peace-nick metro wannabe eurofags.

WE are Americans who grew up in the country, who had rifles in our closets as kids, who played hooky from school to go hunting, who served in the military in combat units, who slept with our weapons on the ground in the cold countless times, who were educated in tools of violence far more lethal than anything in your safe.

And we can see right through this nonsense.

Romobama was the salesman of the decade.

Guns don't kill people kill people.

Good luck with that. And good luck with regulating Molotov cocktails (and their makings). Oh, right, they are already regulated. Oh, sorry. We're safe, and so are our kids!

What I don't care about is this chimera of general "safety" you think is achievable if you can just get enough laws in place.

Haters gonna hate. Killers gonna kill. Kids are gonna die. Sometimes more of them; sometimes less. Choose your time-slice to play with your statistics.

One shouldnt try that revisionist history stuff while hes still in office,, memory far to fresh but GUD try..

synopsis:

We accept no attempt of any form of regulation because we can always
rationalize things like;
We can't control murders in prison so we can't control school violence.
Fire equals guns.
It's the parents fault.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

I've just today reiterated that I fully support gun registration, background checks, and other such regulation that could tend to make gun ownership a more responsible proposition.

Dingus,, i have NOT SHOT one user here on this forum.. I regulate my self well i do lol! But i also grew up in a place and time where i brought guns to high school on a regular basis as we hunted directly after class. NORMAL thing here. Nary a school shooting one.

or possibly a teacher-student love affair gone awry

Is it because deep down inside, despite what they say, those Democrats really don't believe in gun control?

The school exploded at 8:45 a.m. on May 18. At that point, after killing his wife and destroying his farm, Kehoe hopped inside an explosive-laden truck and drove to the school. Thirty minutes after the initial attack, while conversing with the superintendent, he detonated the truck bomb, killing himself, the superintendent, and a few others. Later, investigators found that a short circuit in Kehoe’s wiring was the only thing that stopped the attack from claiming more lives, as “more than 500 pounds of dynamite and several sacks of gunpowder were found under a portion of the building that remained standing.” If the explosion had gone as planned, Bath’s entire downtown might have been destroyed.

Like the Newtown school shooting, the Bath bombing was a major news story. Ellsworth writes, “I think we had the greatest demonstration of American sympathy ever awarded a grief stricken community. Thousands and thousands of cars stayed in line for hours. I have a gas station one-half mile west of Bath on the main road to Lansing, where there was a double row of traffic all day. In the afternoon it took about four hours to get three miles, but I don't remember … hearing a single horn sounded. It was like a great funeral procession. Everyone's heart was filled with sympathy.”

But the attention was short-lived. In an interview this summer with the Christian Science Monitor, Arnie Bernstein, author of 2009’s Bath Massacre: America’s First School Bombing, noted that “there wasn't a media frenzy like today. The media came in and left. Three days after it happened, Lindbergh took off and flew to Paris, and that part of it was over.”

This IS a "new age" problem, brought to you by new aged, broken, shattered familys where every parent works. Do that simple math..

But its THE KIDS that have perpetrated the last 4 shootings at schools. Not responsible adults

18 is a KID, by any standard other than a law. ESPECIALLY in this new age.

An 18 yr old of the 1950s was a whole other person..They werent coddled and kept FROM the dangers of living but rather trained in the art to survive it all- early in life.

Yes Ron, its all anecdotal. You make a statement that kids these days are all a bunch of coddled p*s while back in the day kids were taught to be tough and survive. And to support your claim, you offer up some story about kids not knowing how to change a tire. Great evidence to support your claim, I'm convinced, case closed.