World Cup 2014

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 361 - 380 of total 902 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Festus

Social climber
Enron by the Sea
Jun 23, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Parents have been funneling their kids into Youth Soccer Leagues for two decades now, and here in So Cal, EVERY park and patch of grass is occupied with kinds playing soccer. I understand that the best talent gets siphoned off to other games, but still, the girls have won a few world championships so far. The dudes have to step up

Yes, PARENTS have been funneling their kids into this, and every patch of grass you see covered is covered by the organized youth leagues that parents are funneling their kids into. But that's completely different than what happens in so-called "soccer" countries. There, kids are out playing every sort of pick-up game imaginable in whatever plot is available, concrete, sand, dirt, grass, whatever. Just like we used to do in baseball. John, I suspect I'm a little older than you but not that much older. Did you not first take up baseball in pick-up and street games in your neighborhood? The talent, desire and even many fundamentals and strategies were first developed there. Youth leagues and then on up through high school had a huge leg up in terms of development because of the drive and love for the game these kids brought with them. With few exceptions, that's not the dynamic in our youth soccer. Again, how many pick-up soccer games, completely devoid of adult influence or control, do you see on those fields? Short of ethnic neighborhoods with a cultural love of soccer, you will see almost no pick-up games.
That's the difference. The youth academies in Europe and Latin America can pick from kids who've already been busting their asses to learn the game and have shown at least their potential, along with a whole lot of touch, control and creativity. Parents can't force that hunger, drive, desire and love for the game on their kids. Granted, many of our kids like the game, but few hunger to excel at it.

That said, it could be in our DNA if the popularity of watching the game increases with our kids and the perceived $ opportunities and, more important, opportunities for glory playing a game you love, continue to build. Which is why women's soccer has done so well, there aren't nearly as many pro opportunities for great female athletes so soccer has risen to near the top of list if you're a great female athlete. It's nowhere near the top if you're a great male athlete.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 23, 2014 - 05:10pm PT
you will see almost no pick-up games.

I've been saying that until I'm blue in the face. So there I was in the
southernmost city on earth, Ushuaia, Argentina. It was blowing half a gale
and in the yard of this tenement was this 10 year old working, and I do mean
working, on his game. Did I mention it was spitting rain with a wind chill
of about 38F? Yeah, that's why they produce the likes of Messi...

Credit: Reilly

And did you see the helo shot of the favela perched on the cliff above Rio
with the futbol mini-pitch hacked out of the hillside? That took some
serious desire to kick a ball around. They even scrounged some fencing so
they wouldn't lose their only ball over the edge.
pc

climber
Jun 23, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
I'm not quite sure where the talk of the US Men "failing" or "choking" is coming from.

They're tied for first in arguably the toughest group in the World Cup this year. They're brimming with young, super exciting talent. They have a better chance of going deep this World Cup than ever before.

Example, DeAndre Yedlin, 20yo speedster for US, comes on with 20 minutes to play, has 4-5 very good touches, an assist, and injected incredible pace on the right wing. I can't wait to see him in a similar role against Germany.

Cheers,
pc
QITNL

climber
Jun 23, 2014 - 05:56pm PT
I see lots of pick-up soccer here in the Bay Area. There are are games being played on dozens of fields right now. I ran past two groups of kids a few minutes ago.

The players are primarily Latino. Which brings us to another question:

Why are there so few Latinos on the U.S. soccer team?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/06/14/why-are-there-so-few-latinos-on-the-u-s-national-team/

Nothing nefarious, just basic socio-economics. And a touch of Klinsmann.

Why There Are So Many Germans On The US World Cup Team

http://www.businessinsider.com/germans-on-us-world-cup-team-2014-5
this just in

climber
north fork
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
Let's convert todays games for us Americans. Brazil won 28-7, Mexico won 21-7, the Dutch 14-0, and Spain 21-0.
If I knew how the hell NASCAR scored I'd convert to that for even more points.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 23, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
Justin, just multiply by four cases of Bud Light.
Festus

Social climber
Enron by the Sea
Jun 23, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
QITNL,

My guess would be that you don't see nearly as many Latinos on our national team for the same reason you don't see as many in our youth leagues, especially the "club" teams, of which there are hundreds and hundreds in San Diego and I'm sure up your way. While these clubs will give the occasional scholarship to a kid in need, they're far, far more about making money than developing talent. I get it, because if I could make a living coaching soccer, hell, I'd take that over my job, but these clubs charge an average of $1,250 a year, which doesn't include tournament fees and covers only summer practices and fall league play. You simply don't see enough kids from poorer neighborhoods (many of which likely have plenty of soccer talent and then some). As you yourself pointed out, the pick-up games you see are mostly Latino kids. A soccer academy dedicated solely to grooming the most talented kids in our country would be scouting the hell out of those pick-up games and neighborhoods but I doubt that happens here to anywhere near the degree it does in other nations.
QITNL

climber
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
Good guess - that's exactly what the fellow from the WaPo mentions. Furthermore, Latinos are somewhat excluded from the college supply chain. But we're working on that, go USA!

Ajax Amsterdam has an incredible youth academy:
How a Soccer Star Is Made
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06Soccer-t.html?pagewanted=all
Festus

Social climber
Enron by the Sea
Jun 23, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
Guess I need to read the article now! But it's not hard to see down here in San Diego so I had to guess it's more than likely a nationwide deal.
It's a little off topic but what I see in these club and travel teams in all sports and both sexes saddens me more than a little. It's not that there aren't some good and dedicated people working within those systems but they are all too much about the money and all too "encouraging" as a result of selling the notion that your kid needs to pick his/her best sport and play it year round. Which is utter nonsense, the money issue completely aside. The myth is being sold (damn effectively) to parents that this is how you create better, more successful athletes, as in the way to varsity in high school, scholarship in college, and contract in pros. It's total bullshit in all team sports, with absolutely no evidence at all that playing one sport only when you're a kid makes you better at it in the long run. And there's a fair amount of evidence that the opposite is true because you become more injury prone and less likely to develop all your overall athletic abilities. But parents are sold this bill of goods that their kid will get left behind if he doesn't get on a club or travel team and play that one sport year round. Cha ching!
this just in

climber
north fork
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 23, 2014 - 09:39pm PT

Jun 23, 2014 - 06:10pm PT
Justin, just multiply by four cases of Bud Light.
Ha, good one Reilly that actually makes sense.
scrubbing bubbles

Social climber
Uranus
Jun 23, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
make the soccer net 3x wider and man it with a goalie squad of semi-feral baboons


that's what America wants to watch on TV !!!!
plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:58am PT
"....a goalie squad of semi-feral baboons..."

Let's keep the Kardashians out of this, please...
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 24, 2014 - 08:17am PT
Did I mention it was spitting rain with a wind chill
of about 38F? Yeah, that's why they produce the likes of Messi...

Kids will play any sport for the love of it, here or anywhere else, in any conditions. My kids have been at outdoor soccer camp in mid-July, temps in the high 90's. Last fall, their end of season soccer tournament was so cold that the porta-potties froze and burst the tanks!

No, the reason soccer isn't big here is that the game doesn't lend itself to TV advertising, talent follows the money.

TE

TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jun 24, 2014 - 08:27am PT
The myth is being sold (damn effectively) to parents that this is how you create better, more successful athletes, as in the way to varsity in high school, scholarship in college, and contract in pros. It's total bullshit in all team sports, with absolutely no evidence at all that playing one sport only when you're a kid makes you better at it in the long run. And there's a fair amount of evidence that the opposite is true because you become more injury prone and less likely to develop all your overall athletic abilities. But parents are sold this bill of goods that their kid will get left behind if he doesn't get on a club or travel team and play that one sport year round. Cha ching!

Well said!! My kid only makes the "B" team at our local, volunteer coached travel club, yet was "selected" for the "A" team at the $2000+/yr club, with promises of future college scholarships and hints of even greater things. If I'm going to spend that kind of money on my kids future, it'll be on education, not sports. There are only 60,000 professional sportspeople in the USA, yet a huge proportion of national income is being wasted in dreams that kids will make the major leagues. For a fraction of the cost and effort they'd be guaranteed a good college education, a upper-middle class income, and we wouldn't be losing STEM jobs abroad.

TE
this just in

climber
north fork
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2014 - 08:41am PT
Go Uruguay, Costa Rica, and Ivory Coast.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 24, 2014 - 09:54am PT
I find Uruguay hard to love with their diving. Super Mario has been a big
disappointment. I'd hoped he would take this opportunity to step it up but
he seems content to remain his immature pouty self. Prandelli should jerk him.
Dracula has been quite capricious with his calls - he seems to think it OK
for somebody to leap over the back of his opponent.
I think Pirlo missed on one pass - OMG!

edit:
I see Prandelli listened to me. :-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 24, 2014 - 10:42am PT
Suarez should be suspended for the rest of the tournament, at the least.
I think the third strike rule should be invoked and he should never play again, ever.
I will be shocked if FIFA do anything substantial, the effing 'Fair Play' hypocrites.

edit:
Italy showed a remarkable lack of urgency towards the end. Despite Suarez'
perfidy a just result. Dracula did a decent job in the end.
this just in

climber
north fork
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 24, 2014 - 11:05am PT
I think you are calling the wrong guy Dracula. Suarez is gunna have to start playing with a Hannibal Lecter mask. Wtf is he thinking?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jun 24, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
All divers should be given red cards and publcally spanked for behavior unbefitting a man. Funny thing is, you rarely see such theatrical diving in the woman's game.

JL
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jun 24, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
I'm not a big Football fan, but, let's go Colombia!
Messages 361 - 380 of total 902 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Trip Report and Articles
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews