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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 18, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
Ever tried to low-ride a camel?

Mouse, was yer next question gonna be - why are they called 'ships of the desert'?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 18, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Doods are like mtn goats! Crickeys what jumpin lol! They should hit the VC camel races!
chick_on_ice

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
I must ask how does it feel to visit a war torn country like Yemen... I think i would feel rather akward as a spoiled westerner "vacationing" in such a place

Please don't make assumptions about where I am from Ron. I grew up in a war-torn region of the world, and I try not to use it as an excuse for anything. I'm just thankful my parents got us out when they did. I found (in my limited and naive experiences that have composed my life up to this point), that when you interact with people and treat them not as refugees or someone to be pitied, but as real people, they tend to respond in kind. They want to share their way of life, because they tend to be proud of their culture and the little that they do own. By giving them the respect they deserve, and not thinking of yourself as being'above' or 'better' than them, both parties walk away having learned something. And in my idealistic opinion that has been fostered by years of liberal arts indoctrination (guilty as charged), if we can learn from each other, we understand each other better and that leads to us trying not to kill each other. QED
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Nov 18, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
War zones are pretty exhilarating and do change your perspective on the world in an important way. I would not go as a tourist, though. Generally two kinds of foreigners, military, and NGOs. The military are either wearing uniforms or look way too tough, so the locals will assume you're with some NGO. Then everyone wants to know which one, since a lot of them are suspected of spying and do in fact get debriefed when they return. When I've traveled (and lived) in war zones I've always had a legitimate reason that was more or less acceptable to everyone. Living in the killing fields on the Colombia-Panama border, we work with families of victims of both sides of the war and are respected by everyone.

In Afghanistan it was much harder and I was watched all the time, but more so by the secret police of the Afghan govt. Whoever I was I was not spying on the Taliban so it was OK. That was pretty sketchy and poorly planned.I had planned to go to Iraq and sued a private security contractor, but the case settled and its not been financially possible to go back to get more cases. My strategy had been to hold public meetings telling everyone I was there to put a stop to the contractor killings, which was true, and preventing innocent people from being shot down in the streets by the panicked contractors is the kind of issue that would be supported by nearly everyone, from the govt to the insurgents. And make sure you're hooked up with a mosque.

I think that has been the key to my security in Colombia - don't threaten anyone and be very proactive about your public image. On the other hand if I'd gone down there into a war zone and started buying coke and teenage hookers, somebody would have grabbed me or taken me out. You have to navigate the social scene just like you'd navigate a melting glacier on a mountain. You need to get from point A to point B over and over and always have an escape route. You also have to have local people whom you absolutely trust with your life. This kind of travel can get you killed, but so can a mountain, and you can accomplish a lot doing humanitarian work that makes it worth the risk.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Nov 18, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
You might consider kidnapping insurance unless your family and friends have lots of money. However, it might not be available for Yemen.

Probably a good idea to buy an AK47 as soon as you arrive.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 18, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
John, in the 'event' I alluded to on the first page my friends had M-16's and they were majorly out-gunned. That's why they had to call in a favor.
johnokner

Trad climber
NJ
Nov 19, 2013 - 09:11am PT
If you have to ask on a online forum means you are not prepared and don't belong there.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 19, 2013 - 10:58am PT
The granite in SW Saudi Arabia was beautiful, and empty. We were close to Yemen, but it was a long time ago.

Above all, be smart. Constant awareness about surroundings. Be with your friend and his friends as much as possible.

Think ahead, plan ahead. Study as much Arabic and Yemeni culture as you can.
Study the country.
Be respectful of Islam, cover your hair and wear modest clothing covering to the wrists and ankles, especially in the countryside.
Don't look wealthy or flashy at all.

Never forget that Americans have been killing Yemeni civilians in their attempt to drone the bad guys. Lots of hard feelings in some places.

There is plenty of good reading you can do.






Credit: survival
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 19, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Check out the average weather for that time of year.

Be prepared for rain and chilly nights.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 19, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Chick, I posted a little sound advice, because you said your mind was made up.
That being said, I will add that I would not go to Yemen at this point in history. I was in the Middle East for 4 years, and I'm a professional Survival Instructor.

Of course it could turn out to be perfectly fine, but are you willing to bet your life on it? That's kind of a reality that you have to face if you really want to go.
You will never face harder stares in your life, and you won't know what's behind them.

There are lots of peaceful places to go in this world. Some of them are in Yemen, along with many people who would love nothing better than to have a better world and have an American friend. Unfortunately mixed with some deadly hate, just like the duality of man here in America.
Best of Luck.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 19, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
She said she didnt want to go to Syria right now. Yet Yemen is fine..??
Again i hope her avatar ISNT a precursor to her condition upon return..
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 19, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
chick_on_ice there is a user on this board named 'the chief' who has climbed a bit in the mid east. I forget exactly what countries but maybe if you PM him he'll spare some intel...

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_profile.php?dcid=PDg9PTU7PSc,

Dont tell him I sent you.

DMT

YosemiteSteve

Trad climber
CA
Nov 19, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Mike Libecki and Josh Helling climbed in Socotra two years ago. There was a video online, but now it's got a password. Here's a page that used to link to it:

http://mikelibecki.com/video/

I know that they did a couple of what they thought were FA's, but upon reaching the top, they found some very old rock cairns. Just a couple of weeks ago, there was a big article in the newest Rock & Ice about another team climbing these same towers. December issue, I think.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Awesome!! plz go forth and crush! I bet 99% of the naysayers on this thread have never left the United States. In Pakistan we would see stuff like like "Die Americans!!" spray painted on rocks but everywhere we went people were insanely friendly.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
So you went to the number one enemy supporting country and spent money there? How does it FEEL? Like a rollin stone,,, a complete unknown..No direction home?

I wouldnt give pakitsan one thin dime. But thats just me.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
Huh? Turns out they didn't put all the big mountains in the U.S., so some of us have to travel.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Well Ron, we're giving them untold millions, so actually they don't need your one thin dime.

And if you think we can get by without dealing with places like Pakistan, then you should pull your head out of that Elk butt you've been working on....HA!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Granted, but its more than likely any currency you deposited there wound its way into a dedicated enemys paw. jus sayin...

My Iranian buddy , while talking on the phone a month ago or so, told me "now is not the time to visit my country".. We were just talking about hunting each others lands since they looked so similar in chukar country.



survival,, im afraid one day in the future we WILL BE dealing with them. And it will be alquay-duh at the locks and switches. Its their ultimate orgasmic dream.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 19, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
No,, he was being born about then.
chick_on_ice

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Supertopo folks! Your collective wisdom and long networking reach have done it again. Thanks again for everyone that provided the contacts for my information-gathering a few weeks ago. It was fruitful and productive and I have to say that climbers go out of their way to help out newbies like me (which is very much appreciated). My visa went through against all odds, so I'll be spending christmas over on the A. peninsula hopefully getting a little bit of rock clambering in.
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