I would submit that I also have the right to store my #4-Camalot fists inside oral cavities as well.

I've yet to hear a reasonable justification for "pride" in fighting for a portion of our nation that stood for such terrible practices.

Racism is there now and somewhat prevalent. So too is it here in CA though its less overt here.

I think it's good to be reminded how terrible we can be as human beings, to each other

Most of them were fighting for their state.

They already had a country, but they just didn't like where it was going, with an abolitionist in the White House and all.

This whole human rights movement was not gonna be good for business.

Confederate flag is nothing. Here in The 909, you're liable to see what I saw at the grocery store the other day: A gal with a saucer-sized Swastika tattooed in the tramp-stamp position.

Intolerance for intolerance.

A gal with a saucer-sized Swastika tattooed in the tramp-stamp position.

Maybe she's a Hindu

"Bros dont say Buddy"

some of those Black Folk i hung with ALSO has confederate flags.

And heres a real mind blower for you,, some of those Black Folk i hung with ALSO has confederate flags. Yaaahhh wrap yur head round that one!

sources? not that i dont believe you, I just want to read more

f that whole war thing was to free slaves, and 500,000 white people died to free them, why haven't they done more with that opportunity?

Interesting bit of fiction about Robert E. Lee. How many slaves did he own? What was the name of his plantation? You seem to be implying he played a role in secession from The Union. If so, that's total BS.

From that war came the largest stride in human rights ever.

I suppose that the US flag is in the same class as the confederate flag in the eyes of many people in SE Asia, and other parts of the world.. we were invaders, baby killers, destroyers of homes and villages, killers of innocent people. It is instructive to look at the flag thing... any flag really.. (as the victors write the history in the context of their ideals).. in the eyes of the solders who actually fought in the wars under the various banners.

To the fighting solder war is not about the grand themes of the conflict, but about the brotherhood of those in battle with them. Soldiers don't fight for political reasons. They fight to stay alive and to keep their brothers in arms alive. No matter the politics. If one looks at the qualities of hard fighting soldiers, no matter the side they fight on, one can't but admire the qualities of courage, sacrifice, selflessness, determination and the willingness to die to save one's friends, under the most horrible of circumstances. I admire great soldiers, and fighting men in general, no matter on what side they fought. I am a graduate of the Virginia Military Institute, the institution which produced many of the commanders of the Southern Armies. Stonewall Jackson was an instructor there before he served and died in the service of his country. It is easy to look at such people from our present enlightenment. However, that is not an accurate view.

People should be viewed as they were in their own time.

As Longfellow said in the "Charge of the Light Brigade", "ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die".

About 90% of the southern soldiers NEVER OWNED A SLAVE in their lifes.

Silver lining is: From that war came the largest stride in human rights ever.

Many "groups" called for the Washington Redskins to change their name recently. Even though the vast majority of local Indians seemed totally un-bothered by that. Even thinking its a bit of an Honor. Me thinks this PC crap is yet another avenue to keep the fires of prejudice alive and well.

Do you know who we (USA) bought many slaves from? NATIVE AFRICANS

Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 8, 2013 - 09:13am PT
I've done a lot of reading on it, and seen several movies on American Slavery - last night I watched 12 Years a Slave. It was very difficult to watch. I think it's good to be reminded how terrible we can be as human beings, to each other. I can't even imagine doing those things to another person, or being on the receiving end. Even so, it was a way of life for a very long time, and slavery in some forms continues today in different parts of the world. I'm amazed what we allow to pass as remembering "heritage"...whatever the f*ck that means.

Ron said
About 90% of the southern soldiers NEVER OWNED A SLAVE in their lifes.

Deekaid -
Nov 9, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
and all the sh#t that people have come up with as racial slurs against white people has never bothered me in the least... honky what the hell is that anyway?

What I said is true.

Anyone who thinks the civil war was about freeing black people from slavery is naive. That just isn't the way the world works, and especially isnt how america works

x30

Of course that's what we learned in "school", and few people have the capacity for critical thinking. Instead they want to send people to hospitals for flying a flag. Which is why the real enemies of this country will never be removed.

Same as it ever was...

Dirtbag- I feel sorry you feel so hopeless and incomplete. I hope that you will someday find peace and happiness living in the most fortunate land ever!

Posting nearly anything on the taco seems to bring out the haters and name callers... another reason that I don't often post here... it is impossible to have a civil discussion between people with different positions on ANY issue. Over simplification and slander is mostly what we get here.... sad really..."What we have here is a failure to communicate"!

this flag stands for independence and pride in the South.

Slavery is illegal in America. What is your point that people are still enslaved here?

Human trafficking is the modern form of slavery, with illegal smuggling and trading of people, for forced labour or sexual exploitation.

In the U.S., human trafficking tends to occur around international travel-hubs with large immigrant populations, notably California and Texas. The U.S. Justice Department estimates that 17,500 people are trafficked into the country every year, but the true figure could be higher, because of the large numbers of undocumented immigrants. About 300,000 children are believed to be currently at risk from sexual exploitation.

Is the anti-South, anti-Confederate flag bigotry shown in this thread really that different from the racism of past generations?

He has waged cruel War against human Nature itself, violating its most sacred Rights of Life and Liberty in the Persons of a distant People who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into Slavery in another Hemisphere, or to incur miserable Death, in their Transportation thither. This piratical Warfare, the opprobrium of infidel Powers, is the Warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.

He has prostituted his Negative for Suppressing every legislative Attempt to prohibit or to restrain an execrable Commerce, determined to keep open a Market where Men should be bought and sold, and that this assemblage of Horrors might want no Fact of distinguished Die.

He is now exciting those very People to rise in Arms among us, and to purchase their Liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the People upon whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off, former Crimes committed against the Liberties of one People, with Crimes which he urges them to commit against the Lives of another.

Please cite the section where it commits the north to abolition.

So for some of you screeching LaRaza, you just gave a thumbs up to modern slavery..

Out of ALL the Slaves distributed around the world in colonial times,, the USA got ONLY 4.4% of all slave traffic..

If you want to be stuck in the 1800s i guess thats up to you.

well the last dire doom and gloom predictions said the arctic would b nothing but sand sun and beaches this year.. THIS YEAR.

Now they have rolled it forward to 2040.. Yet more out of their hineys guesstimates from models they FULLY ADMIT dont work..

Probably the most interesting part of this whole thing, is that none of us can really understand what happened back then (unless the one black rock climber is lurking).

#3 Santanas next to Nomads has some pretty good food.

"coal dust is good for you"

"increase in girls wearing shoes corresponds with rise in birth defects"

How has the Confederate flag hurt anyone?

The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.

Luckily, with a little compassion and understanding show them, many people can change, but not be being beaten down further. Most people championing an outlaw approach to life are so marginalized they have little more to hold onto than their resistance. Of course some of them are just plain bad sauce, but probably fewer than we might think.

Some of you probably think the word COONASS is racist too...

Some of you probably think the word COONASS is racist too...

Words aren't racist. People that try to make excuses for American slavery are.

I am surprised at you Largo... Normally you offer some kind of persuasion and logic, presented in a civil tone, to lead others to a better understanding of your views so they can be considered in a more serious way. It seems you have fallen into the irrational slander, name calling and ugliness that seems to pervade this thread... how does it feel down there in the mud Bro? An argument is never convincing that relies of such tactics. None of you, including the original poster of the thread, who have resorted to such tactics, have convinced anyone, except yourselves.

No, you just want to find racism everywhere! You cannot debate conservatism without calling people racists! That is your only card. Welcome to Jesse and Al Sharpton's playbook.

Sounds like your aunt mistakenly thought the more popular, more well-known version was the original.

Have you witnessed someone telling a young couple and their beautiful mixed daughter that they were disgusting?

I am surprised at you Largo... Normally you offer some kind of persuasion and logic, presented in a civil tone, to lead others to a better understanding of your views so they can be considered in a more serious way. It seems you have fallen into the irrational slander, name calling and ugliness that seems to pervade this thread... how does it feel down there in the mud Bro?

Yo John, would it be constructive to post something in such a way that it convinces someone to consider an alternative position, that may, in fact, change their views or actions? Maybe just one person??? Or do we plunge into the muck and fight like reptiles?

Bookworm f*#k you, you neoconfederate troll. Seriously, fukk you.