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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Confederate flag is nothing. Here in The 909, you're liable to see what I saw at the grocery store the other day: A gal with a saucer-sized Swastika tattooed in the tramp-stamp position.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Don't tread on me!"
"I have every right to say anything I want to say!"
"I have every right to do anything I want to do!"
"I have every right to have any gun I want to have!"
"If you don't like this, you are a commie-loving liberal!"
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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I'm still trying to figure this one out.
Curt
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Most of the men that did the dying on the Southern side never owned a slave, and yes, they're Americans too.
I agree racism is way wrong.
I would submit that I also have the right to store my #4-Camalot fists inside oral cavities as well.
Actually, one is considered free speech, and one is considered assault.
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Deekaid
climber
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why tell us? go do it
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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The Southeren Flag has nothing to do with Racsitism per say, it's not about slaves it's about Rebellion . standing up to what was perceived at the time as Ecomomic Slaverey of the South by the North. It's about Southeren Pride. . .
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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150 years after slavery was outlawed ,political interest groups are still ginning up and inflaming a new Civil War of sorts.
I've yet to hear a reasonable justification for "pride" in fighting for a portion of our nation that stood for such terrible practices.
The fact that Jim Crow laws and widespread segregation and discrimination existed in the 1940s did not prevent many brave soldiers , black and white and Latino and Asian, from fighting and dying for their country in WWII .
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Deekaid
climber
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uh oh, sketch ...it is small but it is there ...prepare for itg knuckle sandwich
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Racism is there now and somewhat prevalent. So too is it here in CA though its less overt here.
I don't know about that. When I go back to southern Indiana, which is the South, not mid-west, I notice it's now much more integrated than what I see here in LA.
And slavery had a lot to do with the Civil War.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Check out footnote 1 to In re Brown,180 B.R. 325, 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4871, (U.S.D.C. S.D. Ga. 1995)
[I added the boldface and italics in that footnote]
OPINION BY: B. AVANT EDENFIELD
OPINION
[*325] ORDER
The Browns filed this appeal from an order of Chief Judge Lamar Davis of the United States Bankruptcy Court. Appellees have filed a motion to dismiss, which the Court now grants.
Pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 8007, the Record on Appeal was docketed with this Court on November 10, 1994, obligating Appellants to file their brief within fifteen days. Bankruptcy Rule 8009(a)(1). Appellants filed their brief on February 3, 1995, more than two months later. They missed the deadline. 1 Although the Court readily grants extensions [**2] of time if counsel is faced with a family emergency, here (a) Appellants' counsel never asked the Court for an extension [*326] in light of his father's illness, 2 and (b) that unfortunate occurrence cannot account for missing the deadline by nine weeks.
FOOTNOTES
1 The word "deadline" was coined by Union soldiers held at the Andersonville prison camp during the War of Northern Aggression. Confederate guards summarily executed any prisoner crossing a preordained line on the camp grounds; thus, the term "deadline." See McKinley Cantor, Andersonville (1955). While the Court does not contemplate as harsh a rejoinder to Appellants' counsel's crossing of this Court's preordained line, it will still be, well, "fatal" to his claim. See also Burns v. Savannah Airport Comm'n, CV 493-240 (S.D.Ga. Oct. 21, 1994) (making remarkably similar observations).
2 Counsel first asked for leave to file his brief on January 26, 1995, two months after it was due. The Court hopes it is not unduly troubling anyone by kindly requesting that motions for extensions of time be filed before the deadline for filing the materials in question.
[**3] Normally the Court would end here, but Appellants' response to Appellee's motion to dismiss requires the Court to pursue some necessary clarifications on the subject of inexcusable--as opposed to excusable--delay. FIRST: Blaming the United States Postal Service DOES NOT CREATE EXCUSABLE DELAY. SECOND: Blaming the lack of resources that plagues many sole practitioners DOES NOT CREATE EXCUSABLE DELAY. THIRD: Blaming the flu DOES NOT CREATE EXCUSABLE DELAY. FOURTH: Blaming the Court for "extended holiday breaks" DOES NOT CREATE EXCUSABLE DELAY. 3 FIFTH: Blaming clients for as of yet only paying "a small portion of the fees incurred in prosecuting this action" DOES NOT CREATE EXCUSABLE DELAY.
FOOTNOTES
3 The Court was closed for one weekday during the month of December, 1995: the day after Christmas.
The Court sincerely hopes that the above enumerations further guide members of the bar along the path of trouble-free litigation. Appellee's motion to dismiss this appeal [**4] is GRANTED.
SO ORDERED this 28th day of February, 1995.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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That's interesting, John...but what's your point, exactly?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Congratulations, sketch. You have much to be proud of.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apogee, my point is that in 1995, a United States District Judge (in some ways the most powerful federal position) referred to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression." Admittedly, the entire opinion was written with his tongue firmly in his cheek, but even that humor discloses an attitude.
While I agree with Gary, both that racism is at least as prevalent in LA as it is in "the south" and that slavery was a very significant factor in the Civil War ab initio, there was still a feeling among non-slaveholding southerners that they were being exploited and invaded by the north.
John
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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I think it's good to be reminded how terrible we can be as human beings, to each other
dr heal thyself
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Most of them were fighting for their state.
They already had a country, but they just didn't like where it was going, with an abolitionist in the White House and all.
Dave, I think you're correct that they were fighting for their state, but most thought of their state as their country. Robert E. Lee's words were that he owed "a duty to my country, Virginia."
And Sketch, while I agree that the rebel flag has a meaning different from racism for many, it has the meaning implied by the lynching in the picture Gary posted for a great many as well. Under the First Amendment, we protect offensive speech, but the fact that speech is protected does not make it inoffensive.
John
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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I thought the Confederate Flag was symbolic of the Dukes of Hazard and the General Lee.
Racism sucks.....so does any type of "ism"
Unfortunately, I see our country becoming more divided along race and or religious lines.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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This whole human rights movement was not gonna be good for business.
That was only true for a select few plantation owners. Overall it should
have been very good if it hadn't have been for the carpetbaggers and
a few other minor inconveniences like not being able to vote and such.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Whoever controls the media, controls the mind.
-Jim Morrison
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