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couchmaster
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Nice post Tioga. Karl, there is no "gun show loophole" in this "North of you" next state over. Regardless, it only shows your ignorance on this subject. I know you to be a good person. I ask you to look deeply at only 2 things.
1st) Examine Mexico, the "next state over" the other direction. They put heavy restrictions on gun ownership and essentially all but banned them. (there's an elaborate process on paper to get them that make ownership all but impossible for a normal person) Look at crime stats on both sides of the border, say, Laredo, Mx and Texas. In Texas where gun ownership is rampant, there is little gun crime compared to Mexico, where gun ownership is all but illegal, and gun crime is everywhere. They've made guns illegal except for a few. The downside of that for honest citizens is that those who have guns are rich folks, police and criminals. The Police, as it turns out, are the ones doing most of the kidnappings. These kidnappings occur a couple of times a day and are so common to be all but not reported. Disarming the honest citizens has made them victims of both the police and the criminals, who of course chose not to disarm themselves. Is this what you want? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico
2nd) Would you really want your friends, acquaintances and relatives to have NO access to guns, whereas, the politicians would still have such? For myself, I trust my friends and family much more than politicians, even though most would not know which end to point and choose to not own them. What is in your heart here, for you? Do you really want to trust only politicians?
I've found Karl, that my friends and family do not seek power for it's own sake, to go for what ever it takes to control you, whereas those who run for office more often than have this character flaw.
regards
Couch
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Couch wrote
Nice post Tioga. Karl, there is no "gun show loophole" in this "North of you" next state over. Regardless, it only shows your ignorance on this subject. I know you to be a good person. I ask you to look deeply at only 2 things.
Come on man. I posted links about the gun show loophole, show me your knowledge by documenting your statements instead of just writing stuff.
And saying "It's illegal for mental patents and criminals to possess a gun" means little if gun shows and online sources don't check.
Look I'm not arguing for gun control, just pointing out that the existing checks (outside of california anyway) don't mean anything
peace
karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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cool picture Dave
and thanks for pointing out that President Obama did for gun rights what no President in the past 40 years has done, actually signed into law legislation increasing gun carry rights
yep, Bush would not do it and he had 8 years to do so, but President Obama did in in his first
three years
thanks to Obama, I can and DO now carry on Amtrak trains and I also can carry in National Parks
in my state with my CCL
again, thanks for pointing that out Dave
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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So you can't just go to a different state, buy a gun, and bring it back to California without being a felon.
You can't even move here from a different state, and bring with you any non-California compliant guns you may have legally owned before, without being a felon.
chaz, you certainly can go to a different state. You are certainly not a felon, EXCEPT if you are caught, and found guilty in a court of law. You are not automatically a felon for simply doing it.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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LOL
I guess I've had my share of confrontational situations I would rather not have been part of.
I guess, be it gun or drill, it's important to be packin' the appropriate caliber and be prepared to use it....
LOL
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Roots
Mountain climber
SoCal
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To anti-gun Nutjobs....
(for the record, I'm not speaking from purely theoretical standpoint of someone who never been shot at. Personally, had been shot at from AK, rifles, and heavier weapons. Had, for example, bored patrol of about 8-9 government soldiers shoot many rounds at me near my place,from AKs, just for entertainment, hitting the air and ground around me as I was running--they are bored to just shoot people directly sometimes and want to have more entertainment before they kill you, etc)
Tioga - I am sorry you had to live through that type of situation(s).
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Eddie, you are an idiot. A gun dealer can't sell to a criminal or a mental patient. Hasn't been able to for years. Quit blathering.
Try some reading comprehension before you call someone an idiot. I never said they could, I never even mentioned gun dealers, but when a gun dealer sells a gun to a straw purchaser, the manufacturer, distributor and dealer not only make the same profit, but the resulting crime with that gun increases legitimate sales too, it's a twofer. How else do you explain gun manufacturers' and dealers' opposition to universal background checks, which would restrict the second-hand gun market, and stimulate purchases of new guns?
It's also illegal to sell a gun to a criminal or a mental patient, in all fifty states.
Can you really not google "federal gun ownership restrictions"?
It is completely legal in almost all states to sell a gun to a complete stranger, criminal, lunatic or otherwise. It is only illegal if you know or have reasonable reason to believe the buyer is prohibited from possessing firearms. That's a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck full of straw-purchased guns through.
This lunatic in LAX was just exercising his constitutionally protected right to oppose the government by force that gun nuts maintain is the explicit purpose of the second amendment. They should be cheering him.
TE
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