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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 28, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
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Yet another lost hiker setting a 'signal fire' to save their sorry arse:
By Jason Wells
October 28, 2013, 10:13 a.m.
An injured hiker who had been missing for five days was rescued near Lake Arrowhead on Sunday after he started what turned into a small brush fire.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-missing-hiker-found-starts-fire-20131028,0,2753642.story
I've got some compassion for persons who become lost under some circumstances, but this pattern of setting 'signal fires' is really starting to piss me off.
The Cedar Fire in San Diego county, burned over 1200 homes, cost billion$, became Cali's largest fire in history, and affected untold numbers of lives....and was caused by a 'signal fire' started by a lost hunter...
Grrrrrrrrr.........
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
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I seem to remember being told by a ranger while in Boy Scouts about 50 years ago not to start "signal fires." Apparently the word was slow in spreading -- unlike signal fires.
John
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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The same thing caused a real nasty fire in Arizona a number of years back. If I recall, that one burned several hundred thousand acres.
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
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I know a frequent poster on this site who did the same thing at the base of Washington Collumn. He set a series of fires to mark his path to & from the wall.
Yup, sometimes people do dumb things.
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Levy
Big Wall climber
So Cal
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Oct 28, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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I seem to recall that a inebriated state of mind played a big factor in his decision to start the fires. Sleep deprivation plays funny tricks on one's judgement.
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susan peplow
climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Good memory Robert. This is probably the signal fire you were thinking of, just outside of Payson, AZ back in 2002.
snip/paste from article (in which she was not to face criminal charges....
"Valinda Jo Elliott after being lost in the woods for two days, set a signal fire that spread out of control and merged with the Rodeo fire, which was also human-caused. Together, Rodeo-Chediski cost more than $43 million to fight, forced the evacuation of about 30,000 people, consumed 470,000 acres and destroyed 423 homes, about half of which were in the Heber-Overgaard area."
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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Yup! That was the one.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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Someone should start a public education campaign...something along the lines of:
'Attempting to build a signal fire using fuels that contain .001% moisture, such as is found in 99% of the western US these days, will not create visible smoke. The 300,000 acre wildfire you are likely to create will, however.'
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
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became Cali's largest fire in history
Just a point of clarification, as the Cedar Fire was probably not the largest fire in CA history. I think most folks that study So Cal fire/chaparral ecology and regimes/history etc. agree that the largest wildfire in California history was the 1889 Santiago Canyon Fire.
But that's besides the point. Carry on.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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start a public education campaign
This is the crux of most human/wilderness interface problems. Sadly, our land managers can find 43 millon to fight a fire but can't get it together on prevention.
I advocate for a licensing system for public land users.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
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I think by know it is well proven that education is not working on any front. Besides, if you're
retarded enough to get lost then it is highly unlikely you avail yerself of many educational opportunities.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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"....if you're retarded enough to get lost...."
Ain't that the feckin' truth. How in the hell can anybody be lost near Lake Arrowhead for five goddam days?
It breaks my heart when the process of natural selection is interrupted.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 02:07am PT
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Ain't that the feckin' truth. How in the hell can anybody be lost near Lake Arrowhead for five goddam days?
Most likely by being horribly out of shape and incapable of covering much ground.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 02:31am PT
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Hoh man looks like this dudes been through some serious sh!t . LOL
Maybe he ate a bag of frigging mushrooms or something. Hahaha
Why am I laughing.lol
I'm glad he made it. Hahaha. Oh man.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Oct 29, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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I got lost once, still am lost, but the only fire I would start is in the wood burner stove.
But what does one expect of a planet of over seven billion people. There are going to be some dumb ones.
Darwin's Law. In some ways it is amusing (albeit yet morbid) and also sad at the same time what some people do.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2013 - 03:08am PT
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Ummmm...that guy looks like he's been doin' some cookin' in the woods. Nawmean?
Signal fire? More like a 'one pot method' gone bad.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 29, 2013 - 10:43am PT
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Sad, but I agree with Spider.
Need to license climbers too.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Maybe that dude coulda walked out if'n he had a belt, no?
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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That's not the 'fashion' these days Ry
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