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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:02am PT
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I used it for about two years and quit using it about six months ago as an experiment.
So far I've concluded that all it did was cost me money.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:05am PT
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The best way to keep inflammation down is to cut out inflammation causing foods. For me, and many others, that would be wheat, dairy, grains in general, certainly sugar and anything over-processed.
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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Thanks for the report, Kath.
I've done that experiment a couple of times myself, and always end up finding turmeric helps reduce joint inflammation significantly.
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5.samadhi
climber
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:22am PT
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I have also found this to be true.
How do you take your turmeric though? Since I found stuffing capsules extremely tedious and the "tea" I made stained my mouth :)
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:59am PT
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This is interesting, & my knee is sore. Thanks!
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:07am PT
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This is quite informational, eKat... TFPU!
(Had no idea you have IBS. I feel like we are drifting apart.)
~xx
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:14am PT
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Thanks Ekat, you mean the turmeric i just sprinkled all over my oatmeal isn't gonna fix it?!
:-)
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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Ekat.. I've discovered the fountain of youth and the cure for what ails you...I lie down under that bullet- hole riddled water tank above the old lodge and wet my parched lips with Tamalax , nectar of the gods.. Since then my IBS has vanished and the colonic trips to Reno with them...RJ
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Thanks for the update Kath... right now I'm hobbling around on 100 year old knees. I will have to try the turmeric again. It worked wonders when I took it regularly but the gut issues were heinous. I lost a few pairs of undies out there.... let's just say we had explosive issues. Hah! Maybe I can find a dose that will be a balance between pain free knees and adult diapers.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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I hear ya E-kitty!
For me, It all started with quitting the meat and looking closer at what I ingest.
A couple years ago I started making more Indian food and simple soups that I could toss in some turmeric. I have a separated shoulder(grade3, 24yrs ago) and BC skiing and wearing a camelback on the MTB began to irritate the hell outa my shoulder which would keep me from sleeping the nights following either activity due to pain and numbness. A buddy mentioned the qualities of turmeric so I tried it and it works for me. Now I might have 1000mgs of Ibuprofin once or twice a year instead of 4 times a week!! <-- that is a hella good thing! I also use Hammer's Tissue Rejuvenator which has turmeric b/c I get bored eating sh#t with turmeric all the time!! Also, for winter jointed pleasure, I like to drink a tea made with fresh ginger and turmeric root, lemon juice, honey and cayenne after a day of skiing(dh or nordic) and I am usually feeling good enough to giv'r the next day!
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10b4me
Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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right now I'm hobbling around on 100 year old knees. I will have to try the turmeric again.
I am going to try it again. As it now stands, alpine climbs are out. Skiing is out.
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Cragar
Trad climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:52am PT
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yeah, pretty crazy what we can get just from what we eat. That label reference is spot-fukkin-on as well. Eat shitty food, buy stupid drugs to feel better, repeat - on a daily basis<-- the American diet.
Damn, now I am hungry for lunch!
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Oct 28, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
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Termeric = Werner got me interested and I am now a believer.
Yucca root powder = Yabo turned me onto it. Have sworn by it for decades !
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 28, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
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Another great thing about turmeric is that it's been found to work against Alzheimer's. The people in India have the lowest rates of Alzheimer's in the world.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Oct 28, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
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And eKat, you don't have IBS if eliminating just one type of food cured your problem. You have gluten sensitivity or maybe an allergy which when bad enough is called Celiac Disease.
Both gluten intolerance and sore knees are the signs of an over active immune system that gets riled up easily. In the long run, though, you'll live a lot longer thanks to a strong immune system, and then you can complain that you're a hundred but your knees feel like 200.
;-)
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 28, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
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I got turned on to turmeric when on chemo a few years back. Cancer patients are strong turmeric advocates. I wouldn't claim it's the sole reason I'm still in remission but it sure hasn't hurt. The Naturopath I saw at the time said the quality is vitally important and she strongly recommends a formula that contains BioPerine, which is the pepper referred to upstream that assists absorption. She recommends Doctor's Best brand. "Best Curcumin C3 complex"
I never leave home without it!
Susan
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
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The material body is always the house of pain ......
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
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The frostbite I suffered in 1999 resulted in an amputation on one side and arthritis on the other. A day for simple standing and walking activities would put me down for the following 24 hours. Then I started taking turmeric based on recommendations from BrassNuts. It's been awesome. The arthritis never puts me down any more and I rarely have to partake of the "Breakfast of Champions", a bowl of Advil and Milk. I take the capsules that Whole Food sells and they seem to work well and cost about .50 per day.
I don't have problems with gluten but the interval between the first indication that I need to sit on the toilet and and an exploding bowel has gone from 30 minutes to about two. I don't know if that is from the turmeric or from old age.
I have quit oils high in Omega 6's. These include Sunflower, Corn and Safflower oils. These have proven to cause chronic inflammation and increased levels of heart disease.
My diet now includes copious amounts of olive oil, avocados, bacon and real chicken eggs from next door.
Life is good.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 28, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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Scientists in the medical industry are not interested in studies on things that are not made in a pharmaceutical lab.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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@ eKat:
What does Yucca root do for you?
I LOVE learning stuff like this, thanks! I was given some by Yabo when I had sprained an ankle in the same manner (same climb) as a season or two before.
He said it would help with tissue inflammation.
I find that to be true. I don't eat it regularly but I take it when my knees or other joints are sore from over working them and it seems to really help.
I gave a bottle (of root powder in capsules) to my dad. He said it worked very well at reducing his discomfort in his hands and other joints due to arthritis. "however" he said... "It seems to have diminishing returns. It worked great but I had to take more each day to get the same effect." He still has some on hand years later and takes it on 'Bad days"
A few links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca
www.indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/yucca-root%3A-bathe in it, eat it,drink it
www.healthyeating.sfgate.com/yucca-root-health-benefits-4529.html
@ Nature ^
'Eh Frigg'n Men Brother, you just said it all !
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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Not big pharma research but this study was funded by the Department of Defense
http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/292/6/R2168
Curcumin effects on inflammation and performance recovery following eccentric exercise-induced muscle damage
It's all about mice on treadmills but it's a start of "hard science"
The problem, at least in my opinion, is that if Big Pharma gets involved in the development and marketing of curcumin the price will skyrocket.
Susan
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 28, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
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One thing I did notice while taking it was that I bled easier and small cuts clotted with difficulty. About the same effect as aspirin.
That might explain both the good results and the drawbacks.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
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I'm sticking to the deep fried pork rinds and non-filtered camels , a winning combo so far...RJ
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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The material body is always the house of pain ......
Damn, Herr Braun, what then does the immaterial body house?
Private PM is OK if you don't wnat to publicize this.
As far as the original topic at hand. The interaction of one's genotype with various foods and supplements is extreeeeeeeeeemly complex. Larry Smarr over at UCSD is trying to sort some of this out, but the medical/pharmaceutical world is not very receptive.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Oct 28, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
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has nothing to do with feeling I deserved the problem based on personality.
Wise choice, IMO.
On the other hand, my Michele's grandma lived to 106, nothing catastrophic ever happened, she just plain wore out.
Was she happy to be alive nearer the end? By her own account no.
Turmerically yours
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D'Wolf
climber
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
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Curcumin is the active ingredient in Turmeric.
Extensive studies have been done on Curcumin and found it effective for inflammation amongst other things.
The least expensive thing to do is purchase a good Curcumin supplement - you'll get WAY more of the active ingredient in your system than by consuming Turmeric itself.
Cheers
Thom
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 28, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
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Neither curcumin nor turmeric taken orally is well absorbed unless taken with black pepper or piperine, a constituent of black pepper responsible for its pungency. When shopping for supplements, make sure that the one you choose contains black pepper extract or piperine. (If you're cooking with turmeric, be sure to add some black pepper to the food.). Be patient when taking turmeric supplements: the full benefits may not be apparent for eight weeks.
From Dr. Andrew Weil's info on Tumeric/Curcumin
Susan
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 29, 2013 - 01:33am PT
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The material body is always the house of pain ......
More of a motel I would say, like a Motel 6 of agony.( although it costs more than six bucks these days.)
On second thought, the body is more like a Ramada Inn of misery. With a retro old style smorgasbord restaurant nearby. A restaurant of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Or it could even be a dug-out of travail and discomfiture ,like in the old days of the Midwest prairies. With dry buffalo dung for a roof.( Those things could be surprisingly cool in the summer and warm in the blizzards of winter.)
Studies have tied inflammation to overexpression of a protein molecule called nuclear factor-kappa B (NF-kappaB). NF-kappaB acts like a switch to turn on genes that produce the body’s inflammatory responses. Because NF-kappaB’s expression increases in aging adults, scientists have sought ways to modulate NF-kappaB and its effects in the body.
Curcumin has been shown to exert powerful inhibitory effects on NF-kappaB activation within the body.20-23 Curcumin inhibits overexpression of NF-kappaB. In addition, curcumin inhibits the metabolism of arachidonic acid, as well as activities of cyclooxygenase, lipoxygenase, and cytokines (interleukins and tumor necrosis factor).24-27
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10b4me
Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
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Oct 29, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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anyone ever taken Hyaluronic Acid supplements?
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 29, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
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^^^^. Nope never heard of it. Anything with the word "acid" in it makes me think of swimming pool chemicals. What does it do?
Susan
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 29, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
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It's the lube in your joints.
Eating it won't help.
Injecting it into the joints does.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 29, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
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Injecting it into the joints does.
OK, That's all I need to know. Serious needle phobic here.
Susan
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10b4me
Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
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Oct 29, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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Susan it is naturally occurring until the joints wear out. I had injections last year, and they seemed to help. Unfortunately, my insurance only covered for ten injections.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
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Dang Steve sorry your insurance bottomed out if it was helping.
Thanks for the info, but I avoid every needle possible.
Susan
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Oct 29, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
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Turmeric has significantly reduced my finger joint pain (maybe 20%?) when taken regularly (~500mg/day). I've also tried hyaluronic acid for a couple of months, but I couldn't tell a difference, so I cut that out.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 30, 2013 - 08:27am PT
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In spite of my ongoing arthritis and joint issues, I haven't really used turmeric alone, so it's hard to say if it's had any positive effects. When I've used it in the past, I didn't notice much difference, but I admit I probably didn't give it enough time. I've been able to wean myself off my daily Advil with just fish oil and MSM BTW.
I'm fortunate that I work in the vitamin department at a health food store, so I get loads of samples thrown at me. I'll have to request more turmeric to experiment with. Turmeric and Curcumin are probably our top selling supplements both in pill-form and in bulk. Even if they don't help your joints they certainly can't hurt your general health. Curcumin is certainly going to give you more bang for your buck for sure.
Hyalaronic Acid.. like someone said we've all got it to lubricate joints (it's not as scary as it sounds). The verdict is out on if taking it orally does anything. You'll also see it as an ingredient in expensive face-creams and serums to combat wrinkles.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 30, 2013 - 09:16am PT
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WebMD is my go-to source (being the big skeptic in my department). The best way to get real info about any herb or supplement is to google it's "side effects". It weeds out all the hippi-dippy sugar-coated "it's a magic cure" BS and gets to the reality of what your body may be in for if you start taking something.
Turmeric is incredibly safe compared to a lot of other supplements. 10 million Hindi's dump loads of it into their cuisine on a daily basis, so it doesn't look like the entire country is suffering adverse effects. You'd have to be taking unreasonably massive amounts to get sick. Unreasonable amounts of anything will make you sick though. Looks like the main bogey is if you have gall bladder issues, and if you are pregnant you basically shouldn't touch anything that isn't a pre-natal vitamin.
As a side note: A large percentage of herbs and supplements are contraindicated for heart and liver issues and many herbal supplements can interfere with prescription meds or cause clotting and bleeding problems so it's certainly wise to research before you start taking anything.
Edited ..cuz someone delete a post.
The real question..how does India rate on the international creaky-joint scale?
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