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aguacaliente
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Oct 26, 2013 - 12:34am PT
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Reilly thanks for posting that article. I mean, I don't like it, but I'm glad that I read it.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 26, 2013 - 12:44am PT
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Massive die offs of sealions along the northern west coast, along with mass die offs of starfish. Something is killing eveything in the ocean. Fukushima..
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Oct 26, 2013 - 02:32am PT
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an important documentary to see about this same issue, sustainable sushi:
Sushi: The Global Catch
Netflix has it; probably others too.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 26, 2013 - 09:32am PT
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Want to save the oceans?
Stop having kids.
until then, pass the wasabi.
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jsavage
climber
Bishop, CA
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Oct 26, 2013 - 10:00am PT
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Nature-Your radiation map...isn't that the tsunami wave energy map?
Catching big ocean fish on a line sure is fun. It is expensive, but between the experience and knowing where your fish came from, is worth a lot.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 26, 2013 - 10:03am PT
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You can still choose to eat other things at a Sushi bar Patrick. Don't order Bluefin, for instance, when albacore is a thriving fishery and the taste is close. Fish farmed Tilapia is a bit hard to choke down. Fact is, there are many non-fish or other non-fish seafood choices at Japanese places. Pickled cucumbers, Edemame, Clams, Octopus....etc etc...
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Oct 26, 2013 - 10:21am PT
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Fair enough.
We can say we overfish, or we can say there are too many mouths..
..except we cant say that.
Everyone has to have 2.4 kids and live the 'Merikan dream of reproducing top-tier over consumers.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 26, 2013 - 10:58am PT
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Want to save the oceans?
Stop having kids
pretty much...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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Too late.
This ship is sinking and there aren't nearly enough flotation vests.
There is going to be a huge crash in the human population.
But on a lighter note; I make a mustard cream dill sauce that makes tilapia quite tasty!
Edit;
and bergbryce, plenty of ecologists have guns.
In fact one of my favorite herpetologists, Erik Pianka, was able to obtain an almost impossible Australian handgun permit for collecting samples.
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RtM
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DHS
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:17am PT
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The first time I saw footage of a commercial longline haul - that was the last time I ate tuna, and the last time I ever will. That was about 5 years ago!
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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Jsavage - that's exactly what that is. Problem is a disinformation campaign is spreading that map saying its radiation.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:45am PT
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It's not a radiation map! ;-)
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 26, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
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Let me make this perfectly simple
Yer gonna die!!!!?!
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Oct 26, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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nature -
Yeah that map is pretty disappointing. It keeps popping up all over the place with radiation claims. It TOTALLY undermines any credibility of those using it since it is a wave height map. The people using it are either idiots themselves or take their audience for idiots. In either case they can GFTS until they can get their data straight.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 26, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Rock - I generally agree. However, I've seen some rather bright people refer to the map as a radiation map. I think they are just so caught up in it all they don't spend the time to verify the facts.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Oct 26, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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Good one Locker... so true !
And of note:
The New England Lobster industry has been on the edge of collapse for years.
Very soon if your Grand children are to ever experience eating one we will have to have a cpl decades of moratorium on the fishing of the species.
And to think that in Colonial America it was illegal to feed slaves or indentured servants more than three square meals a week of the stuff. It was considered to be 'bait fish', trash, worthy of use as fertilizer and not much more !
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RtM
climber
DHS
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Oct 27, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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"The first time I saw footage of a commercial longline haul - that was the last time I ate tuna, and the last time I ever will."...
How did you think they caught the fish???...
Did you think they invited them over for tea???...
LOL!!!... I'm gonna bite here, because this is something that I believe to be important.
Its a sad fact, but the majority of people in the world have no idea what a commercial longline is or how it works -
In longline "fishing", a very long, sometimes miles long, net is deployed in a large circle. When the ends of the circle are connected, they begin to constrict it. The fish don't know to swim under it, so they continue around the perimeter. When the circle gets small enough, the "fishermen" fold the undersides up, so the ocean life is now completely trapped inside. Then they haul the catch into the boat. The sheer weight of the biomass kills most of the creatures inside. Once the net is onboard the craft, they open it up, blood spilling out in hundreds of gallons, out comes the dead: dolphins, sea turtles, sunfish, manta rays, sharks, and even a few tuna. They collect the tuna, then throw the other dead creatures off the edge.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Oct 27, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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They collect the tuna, then throw the other dead creatures off the edge
good! bait balls keep sharks from eating surfers and swimmers.
looks to me like a radiation map.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 27, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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RtM - the practice you describe is purse seining.
longlining you deploy a long line with hooks distributed along that line. The problem with this (as well as purse seining) among other things is the incidental catch (turtles, dolphins, etc.)
Edit: see lockers video
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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Why not just eat trout? Or Kokanee, or crappie, or speckled trout, or Red Drum, or a f*#king steak?
I know it's not as nouveau as precious sushi, but since you're trying to save the world (and oceans) and all, why not give up a little? Do us all a favor and each a deer. I hear squirrels are tasty too. Same with crawdads, I had some last night.
Meh...
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