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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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It's NOT the drug itself that makes a person CHOOSE that path...
Not true. If meth had undesirable effects on people they would not choose that path. The drug absolutely influences the choice. Obviously it also requires the participant.
Guns have the property of making violent impulses easier to express. They absolutely influence certain people's choices to commit heinous crimes.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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Jesus.
And if meth didn't have the properties so many find appealing, nobody would choose to continue down that path.
And if guns didn't make it infinitely easier to kill people, nobody would choose guns as their tool of destruction.
Sure, people will get addicted to substances... or snap and have violent episodes. Would you rather they have easy access to coffee and weed, or meth and heroin? Would you rather they swing their fists or a baseball bat or a pipe, or spray bullets into a crowd with an AR-15?
Saying guns aren't the problem because there will always be people who choose to commit violent crimes is ridiculous. Easy access to guns is precisely why there are so many firearm deaths in this country. It ain't rocket science.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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Gun control is desperately needed. Only the NRA lobby and the bought and paid for politicians keep it from happening when the vast majority of American support it.
My wife is a teacher, so these stories hit close to home.
I really don't care about your right to carry a gun when my family is endangered by it in my opinion.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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Ron, your fantasy world(s) are obnoxious to say the least. Guns aren't going to be made illegal overnight. How about you try reality for a change?
Currently background checks take about 30 seconds. Don't you think we could do a bit better? Maybe check mental health records? Local LEO reports? The technology exists. I KNOW we can do better.
Currently you can buy 1 new gun a month. The vast majority of guns used in crimes come from straw purchases, likely from folks who buy 1 gun a month. Honestly, who the fuk needs to buy 1 gun a month? I don't know anyone who buys more than 1 gun about every 5 years.
Stop playing your fantasy game of slippery slope strawman tea bagger and start finding some middle ground. Learn to make compromises for other members of society... god knows we all make compromises for you and your kind.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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ah yes, because growing up in the 60's is just like growing up today. So there isn't a gun problem... the problem is with the Rx drugs? Right! How many people are murdered with Ritalin each year?
I've known plenty of crazy fukers in my life. I guarantee easy access to guns makes them far more dangerous, regardless of guns.
It may take you and your fellow geniuses 45 min to fill out the paper work, but it only takes 30 sec to do the actual background check.
The FFLs will provide the descriptive information requested on the ATF Form 4473, which is required by law to be completed and signed by every prospective firearm transferee. The FFL will receive a response that the transfer may proceed or is delayed. This response is typically provided within 30 seconds.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
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ahhhh, poor Ronny has to wait 45 min to get his new killing machine. Poor baby... cry me a fuking river. Better yet, cry it for the parents of the victims.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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I think it's ten days in California. Which is nine days, twenty-three hours, fifty-nine minutes and thirty seconds longer than necessary.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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Yeah, 10 days is WAY too long, according to gun nuts who need their penis extensions on a whim.
Sh#t, it takes me longer than that to get a lumber delivery from Lowe's.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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Ron, you would bitch & complain if the process took 30 seconds. You know goddam well that's the case...you'd rant & foam about it in a typical Repugnut way, just like most every other political issue.
You, and the rest of the gun-nutz, want to be able to do anything you want, anywhere, anytime, no matter who it might affect. And if someone complains or imposes on this, you barf out memes like 'don't tread on me'.
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Binks
climber
Uranus
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
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I can't wait until most gun ownership is criminal. I'll vote for it, and tell people to vote for that. Make it like it is Canada or Australia. People get along just fine without them there and don't listen to these stupid arguments about how it would be safer if they were legal. No, it isn't safer.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
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Jesus Ron, you really do have a problem with reading comprehension, don't you?
I never said "you can go get a gun in NV, wait 30 seconds for approval and load-er up and haul it back to CA and be back at the house in 3 hours ready to do some damage.."
I said the actual background check takes 30 seconds. I don't give a fuk about how long you have to wait, I'm talking about THE ACTUAL BACKGROUND CHECK... you know, where they ACTUALLY CHECK YOUR BACKGROUND. My point is, there is a lot more that should be checked and 30 seconds is a pathetically short amount of time to determine if someone should be allowed to purchase a firearm.
Jesus fuk man. I suspect you spend too much time arguing with your stuffed animals and convince yourself you are right because you usually win.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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right, because they are incapable of understanding what is actually being checked or how it takes to actually do the check... they just KNOW it does no good, KNOW any improvements would be useless, and KNOW they oppose it. I bet they KNOW climate change is a hoax and Obama is a foreign born Muslim too.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 23, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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I think Wes made very logical point regarding facilitation. The easier you make something, the more likely it is to occur. Seems obvious, but it keeps getting trumped by the "it will happen anyway argument".
It is a people problem. But until we fix it should we just maintain the status quo and watch people die?
I accept gun ownership, but it is just too easy for wacko's to get their hands on something that was pretty much designed to take life. If making it harder saves someone's child or anyone else, I say it is worth whatever inconvenient comes with it. I think all the arm waving about people trying to take everyone's gun's away is a paranoid delusion that the NRA and gun manufacturers perpetuate at every opportunity to pump up sales. So sad that so many are so easily manipulated.
Say what you want about gun control not making any difference, I don't buy it. It has nothing to do with anyone's right to bare arms, or arm bears, it just makes sense.
BTW - The arms manufacturers plan is working perfectly. I went to get pellets for my single shot varmint rifle and heard people bitching about all the .22 rounds being sold out all the time. Hoarding going on.
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Here is something that is not all about Ron.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/facebook-removes-beheading-video-updates-violent-images-standards-8C11447618
Facebook removes beheading video, updates violent images standards
Alexei Oreskovic Reuters
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Facebook Inc removed a video of a woman being beheaded from its website on Tuesday and said it would use a broader set of criteria to determine when gory videos are permitted on the site.
The move came a day after a public outcry over news reports that Facebook, the world's No. 1 social network with 1.15 billion members, had lifted a temporary ban on images of graphic violence.
Facebook said on Monday that gory videos, such as a video of a masked man beheading a woman in Mexico, are permitted on its site so long as the content is posted in a manner intended for its users to "condemn" the acts rather than celebrate them.
But Facebook said on Tuesday that it had decided to "strengthen" its enforcement of the policy.
"When we review content that is reported to us, we will take a more holistic look at the context surrounding a violent image or video," Facebook said in a statement.
"Second, we will consider whether the person posting the content is sharing it responsibly, such as accompanying the video or image with a warning and sharing it with an age-appropriate audience," Facebook said.
The change underscores a challenge for Facebook as it seeks to position itself as the go-to online destination where people share up-to-the-minute images and discuss breaking news events.
While Facebook polices its site to remove pornography, hate speech and other forbidden content, the company must also make a judgment about when certain grizzly images, such as video of a terrorist attack, are in the public interest versus being shared for "sadistic pleasure."
Facebook acknowledged on Tuesday that its previous approach, which permitted the video of the woman's killing in Mexico to remain on its site, was flawed.
"Based on these enhanced standards, we have re-examined recent reports of graphic content and have concluded that this content improperly and irresponsibly glorifies violence. For this reason, we have removed it," the company said. conditionsNewsletterPrivacy policyAdvertise
Edit:
The answer is to give Ron only the attention he has earned.
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jstan
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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Ron:
How you feel about anything, how I feel about anything merits another's attention only when the reasons we have these feelings are given. Without those reasons all we are talking about is some action potentials that have occurred in some brain. A couple of millivolts. Next to nothing.
The regularity with which you cause posters on all threads to expend their valuable time reacting to you personally, says you suffer from an overweening need for attention. I am sorry you suffer from this. Have you considered discussing how it is you have come to this state? There are people on this site with an immense diversity of experience and high professional credentials.
Given the chance, we might just be able to help you.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 23, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
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Jew without a gun
http://www.seraphicpress.com/jew-without-a-gun/
Part of what he says: "I’m reposting this series as a cautionary tale because the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre has sharpened the claws of the statist utopians, whose ultimate aim is to disarm law-abiding American citizens. Just as Obamacare has nothing to do with health, and cap and trade has nothing to do with so-called global warming, anti-gun laws have nothing to do with saving children’s lives. It’s just another opportunity for the left to centralize power........."
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 23, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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hey, cockmaster, thanks for posting up some of the most ridiculously uninformed fear mongering bullshit the world has ever known. We wouldn't expect anything less from you.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 23, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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I am removing the single shot 410 shotgun from the mix. All weapons need to be confiscated, An expert user like Ron could do a lot of damage with a 410. Ron, i'l be over at noon tomorrow to confiscate your arsenal.....will a pickup truck do?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 23, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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Interesting discourse. Here's another from the "Jew without a gun" blog: "If you outlaw weapons, as so many squishy liberals yearn to do — well then, only the state and the outlaws will be armed. Which leaves ordinary citizens at the mercy of an all-powerful government and a variety of merciless criminal subcultures."
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Oct 23, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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. . . but facebook s*cks
You're way too polite, Ron. I despise FB.
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