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thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
moar gunz is the answer, duh? it worked pretty well here:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/
Two Michigan drivers shot and killed each other Wednesday night after a road rage incident took a fatal turn in a drive-in car wash parking lot, police said.

Robert Taylor, 56, and James Pullum, 43, were driving on a highway in Ionia, Mich., when Taylor began to closely follow Pullum, according to the Ionia Public Safety Department, based on witness reports.

The two drivers eventually pulled into the parking lot of Wonder Wand Car Wash, at the intersection of M-66 highway and Steele Street. where they got out of their vehicles and fired shots at each other, police said. The two men exchanged a total of eight to nine shots, police said.

Pullum’s mother and wife were both passengers in the Ford Taurus at the time of the incident, while Taylor, driving a Chrysler PT Cruiser, was alone, police said. No one else was injured.

The drivers were transported to Sparrow Ionia Hospital, where they were pronounced dead shortly after 7 p.m. local time, authorities said.

Police told ABC News that they cannot release information about who fired their weapon first.

Taylor had a misdemeanor conviction in 2006 for driving while intoxicated and separately for carrying a gun in the car, Ionia County Prosecutor Robert Schafer told ABC News. As a result, his concealed weapons license was revoked for three years. He eventually applied and received a new license four years later in 2010, Schafer said.

Michael Wood, the owner of the Wonder Wand Car Wash, told ABC News that he also has a concealed license permit, just like the two drivers did, but never carries a gun with him.

“It’s the strangest situation I’ve ever heard of,” Wood said. “We’ve all had altercations in road rage, but to pull a weapon?”

Wood said he knew both Taylor and Pullum and that both were well-liked in the community. In fact, an employees at his car wash was best friends with Pullum, Wood said.

The confirmed cause of death was indeed gunshot wounds, said the Ionia Public Safety Department, which is waiting for toxicology and autopsy reports to see if alcohol or drugs were involved.

Taylor’s family could not be reached for comment. A woman at Pullum’s residence said the family is not making any statements at this time.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 05:46am PT
Guns and Ammo editorial stirs the pot:


"Way too many gun owners still seem to believe that any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement," contributing editor Dick Metcalf wrote in a column titled "Let's Talk Limits." "The fact is, all constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be."

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-ammo-editorial-controversy-203042117.html

I would post an excerpt from the column but it is a pdf download.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 7, 2013 - 08:21am PT
Coming up on the 75th anniversary of Kristallnacht.

Author Stephen P. Halbrook has spent years researching the Weimar Republic and has recently unearthed documents that leave no doubt that gun confiscation was a lynchpin in Hitler's plan to control not only the Jews, but the entire civilian populace as well. Registration was key.

It is always the same. The rationale is appealing.

"We can make a safer world."


Ya, right.
N/@

Trad climber
NM
Nov 7, 2013 - 08:55am PT
^safer for who is the question.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 7, 2013 - 08:58am PT
round up EVERY KNOWN GANG MEMBER IN THE USA some 500,000 now.. Watch as our homicides rates plunge downward after that. We have all those fema camps just waiting for them..
N/@

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:06am PT
^Ron for president You want to make people responsible for their actions and not blame objects. This would be a step to actually help the problem not just feel good for doing something even if it does not work.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:11am PT
In all sincerity, sometimes i feel like local LEOs just watch the gang activities to "tally" for more funding. After all, some 500K of them are KNOWN to be exactly what they are. So the fact that they are here, and they are known should lead to deportations and jails.. There ARE answers to the problems.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Answer to the gun problem is putting all people who consider guns to be a problem into a big arena and letting them have gladiator style fights.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Anyway, we all know that guns don't kill people, God kills people.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
This mornings headlines for Reno area: Gangs tagging cars and even police units.." All are associated with the Nortrenos, a hispanic gang rooted in CA which has been here for 10 years now."

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Nov 7, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Answer to the gun problem is putting all people who consider guns to be a problem into a big arena and letting them have gladiator style fights.


You need to take the medicine. I know the voices tell you otherwise, but what you just said doesn't make a bit of sense.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 7, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
In all sincerity, sometimes i feel like local LEOs just watch the gang activities to "tally" for more funding.

True dat. It is called job security. Part of the Legal/Security industry.
N/@

Trad climber
Nov 7, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
I have to strongly disagree with Ron and reilly, Every time a officer or productive citizen shoots one of the gang bangers I see pictures of them as children and am told they were such good people. I never see there gang pictures and hear about there criminal record. From what the media tells me we need more gangs not less (sips more koolaid........) This is probably bushes fault.
manemachen

Sport climber
Pinedale, Wyoming
Nov 8, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
If kids had guardians that would spend time with them instead of plunking them down in front of televisions or video games for the first 15 years of their lives, maybe they wouldn't be so angry and violent.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Nov 8, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
A couple questions:

Are there any studies that show most shooters had bad parents? Yet you seem pretty convinced the problem stems from bad parenting.

Are there any studies that show most shooters had guns? Yet you seem pretty convinced restricting gun access will do nothing.

What do you expect from a population spawned by greed-fueled religious idiots?
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Nov 9, 2013 - 05:34am PT
FACT: statistics prove the vast majority of gang shooters are atheists(1). We need compulsory church attendence.


(1) IMTSU (I made this sh#t up)
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