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jstan

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 22, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Yesterday's school shooting in Nevada apparently has stimulated media interest in this answer.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/17/us/maryland-armored-whiteboards/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Maryland university buying bulletproof whiteboards
By CNN Staff
updated 9:16 AM EDT, Sat August 17, 2013

University of Maryland-Eastern Shore is buying 200 bulletproof whiteboards
The whiteboards use technology developed to protect police, military
The 18-by-20-inch boards weigh less than 4 pounds

(CNN) -- Using technology designed to protect U.S. troops, a Maryland company that makes bulletproof whiteboards has contracted with a university seeking to offer its professors greater protection in the event of a school shooting.

The University of Maryland-Eastern Shore announced that it is purchasing 200 of the whiteboards from Hardwire LLC, a company based in Pocomoke City,

Maryland, citing the need for a heightened sense of security in the wake of deadly mass shootings in recent years.

Hardwire manufactures a variety of protective systems for police and military use, and also designs protective systems for infrastructure such as bridges. Between 2008 and 2011, it produced more than 5,000 armor kits for U.S. Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, the company says on its website.

More recently, the company has adapted technologies for school security, most notably the lightweight, 18-by-20-inch bulletproof whiteboards designed to protect the user's head and torso.

The university's president, Juliette Bell, told CNN that the deadly school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut last December, in which a lone gunman killed 26 people, including 20 children, was a factor in the decision. Although UMES has not had a shooting incident, preventive campus security is a critical consideration, Bell said. "It's the reality, as unfortunate as that is."

UMES has detailed response procedures for managing emergencies, but Bell said she and other school officials saw the whiteboards as a viable first line of defense.

"Anything that we can do that could potentially save a life, we are going to explore," she said.

UMES Campus Police Chief Ernest Leatherbury noted the board, which weighs less than 4 pounds, is user-friendly. "This is so accessible," he said, "and it's not cumbersome."

UMES is the first U.S. institution of higher education to make such a significant investment in the whiteboards, committing nearly $60,000. They will be in classrooms when classes resume for the fall semester on August 26.


Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 22, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
wouldn't be the first time a professor hid behind a whiteboard.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
wouldn't be the first time a professor hid behind a whiteboard.

I resemble that remark!

John
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
So let me get this straight - school shootings are such a problem that we are giving students shields they can hold up in the even someone kicks the door down with an automatic rifle?

Good grief.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
You got that right, GD.

No doubt the NRA gun-nutz will see this as a perfectly logical, reasonable option, along with gun-toting teachers, students, hall monitors, and bullet proof book bags, lunch boxes, etc.

Don't tread on me, goddamit!

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
Hey, Greg..did you get my reply to your ST email a few weeks ago? Never sure if yahoo is actually working these days...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Emergency running shoes? Pin wheels to dazzle the assailant's eyes?

I know... legalize spit wads!!!! Give children a fighting chance!!!1111

Those magic blankets the hobbits used to hide from The Eye of Sauron? Those would surely solve the problem as much as Galadriel's White Board?

DMT
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
There is no "gun problem." Only a people problem. Gun control only offers an illusion of safety.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
I was raised with guns. Took them to highschool in the gun rack for quick hunts after school. Guns were every where in the sixties, and most kids were trained early in their use, even getting bb guns as youngsters. By the time you were 12, you were deer hunting. And these school shootings were unheard of. WHAT has changed?


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Who wants to place bets that the shooter was on psychiatric meds?
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
More unrestricted guns will definitely reduce the people problem, unfortunately.

When some disturbed person wants to blow kids to bits, guns sure make it easy for them. There is no doubt about that. I guess the only answer is the threat of more violence. Our society is devolving ;-(
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
There has to be a balance between sword and shield.

Unfortunately we cannot outlaw stupidity. Some people feel the need to look for surrogates.
jstan

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
WHAT has changed?

Gun owners reproduced.

Killer.

We have had a break through! A major break through with this shooting.

WHAT has changed?
/RA

Do you realize how seldom that question is ever asked?

Edit:
WHAT has changed?

The people who buy and shoot guns as well as the quantity and availability of firepower.

Certainly, but other things have also changed. On another thread I mouthed off to the effect that today children are increasingly being raised by other children. This Nevada boy had been bullied. I ask myself what I would have done had my parents been out of the picture and I was being bullied. My first option would have been to get into weight training and learning how to defend myself. We also need to ask how much bullying is backed by a gang. That too is potentially new.
When opposed by a gang and absent an adult supporter, might one get pissed off enough to reach for a piece?

I think we have a number of causes, converging.
MisterE

climber
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Then there is this option that worried parents are turning to, as well:

http://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Proof-Backpacks-Kids-Small/dp/B00C6ASWP2

http://backpackshield.com/
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
WHAT has changed?

The people who buy and shoot guns as well as the quantity and availability of firepower.

DMT
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
A part of what has changed, imho, are the number of children from infancy up that are exposed to some pretty severe violence in most of our media, phones, games etc.

Recently heard a 6 year old tell his brother he wanted to kill him. Watching the games he plays I don't think he respects human life and thinks that games and life are similar.

Get these kids outside; put them on a rope safely and let them learn respect and a little fear. Of course, again, imho. Lynne
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 22, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
We have become a society where gratuitous violence is becoming a bigger part of our entertainment, and more accepted. Video games, MMC, Football hits getting out of hand etc. that is one thing that is changing. More people are getting desensitized to it, and if you are on the edge it could seem like a solution to your problems.

Many psychotropic drugs have gnarly side affects as well. Once you start them it can be a life sentence.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 22, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
LL,, spot on..

Fortmental,, your dead wrong about these incidents happening only in the USA,, dead wrong.


Now NONE of you get yur pants in a bunch but this is my theory backed by personal observation and experience.

The parents of the boomer and gen x ages generally,, have proven to be some of the WORST imho. Both Mom and Dad working, while little jimmy raises himself with the most violent video games twisted minds can came up with, coupled with the internet where ANYTHING can be seen from be -headings to suicides.
Meanwhile the parents are consumed by work, paying bills and crumbling economys.. I truly believe the family unit as such went by the wayside and our kids became little monsters. Ok,, you may now burn me at the stake!;-)



edit: forgot to mention ADD did NOT exist. Its symptoms were cured with a paddle by the principal, and them the parents and theirs..
jammer

climber
Oct 22, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Except Dingus, I would be willing to bet the guns available in the 60's were relatively more high tech compared to what the military owned, than the guns and ammo bought today. Additionally, more of America subscribed to the gun culture back then. So, again, WHAT has changed? And how does our governments handling of things like the Patriot Act factor in to how you think they would deal with the "gun problem"? Just curious...
Hoser

climber
vancouver
Oct 22, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
WHAT has changed?

A lot of things have changed, problem is there is a lot people who think nothing has changed, like yourself. You hammer down on everything and call it BS, climate change, health care, gun laws...and what happens is people get left behind. They dont get the help they need and then sh#t goes south.

There is a sh#t load more people straining the old system, now folks need to work together, but for some reason there is this every man for himself mentality.

I find it so freaking weird that religious people, supoosedly the best folks on earth, have no problems saying...if he doesnt work he can dye a slow painful death because I refuse to support whatever social progams because its communist or whatever....

Well guess what, the folks who have nothing left to live for or cant get help go bat sh#t crazy and do weird sh#t. Then you end up paying for it in the end anyways, and a lot more.

Here is a news flash for you, sh#t has changed, and its never going back to the way it was...so you can either change, or you can die off and the young folks will change it for you.

Its not the video games, its the absentee parents working 7 days a week to afford sh#t that was, when you were growing up, basic, like a ride to work or a parent free to hunt after school...there are too many folks like you who think hey man I walked up hill both ways and so should you.

Bullet prrof chalk boards...thats the solution? It certainly is the cheapest, but hell one of your other nut bar friends will make chalk board bullets cause thats their right
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