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jghedge

climber
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Already posted my name, plus I've climbed with, or climbed with people who've climbed with, a lot of the people here.

Like I said, anonymously debating an impersonal topic is one thing. Viciously attacking an individual by name, as you've done, without the integrity to name yourself, is pathetic. Being a backstabbing coward gives you no moral authority to call anyone out for anything.
WBraun

climber
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
My real name is Donald


Donald Duck .... Quack ......
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Embrace every soul, with purity in your marrow:

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
the consequences to Joe's Tree and the rest of the trees that I have mangled are the same.

Nope, not even close.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Even if they are city folk who have never sat arround a campfire and have no real clue what is the real sorce of all the energy they use to heat their homes, cook their food, transport their ass to the cliff and lift them to the top of the ski mountain and wank arround on the internet they most likly live in a house made of wood, sit in wooden chairs and eat their meals on wooden tables... might even have a wood salad bowl..
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Or have a horse pull them around on a cart with wooden wheels !
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Or go sailing in Uncle teddys fancy sailboat that is trimmed with mahogany and teak. Perhaps they simply like to sit on the cedar bench in the ceder sauna after a rough day gang bashing someone on the internet.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 23, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
Or infuriate others by not drinking instant coffee while eating sushi instead of hog fuel.
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:07am PT
You forgot toilet paper Tradmanclimbs but I still don't buy your argument as all trees have different values.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Oct 24, 2013 - 02:17am PT
When climbing conduct your behavior so it meets both land management and community standards. If choosing to disregard these, put up with what you have harvested...
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Oct 24, 2013 - 08:28am PT
all trees have different values.

All trees are equal, but some trees are more equal than others.

justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 24, 2013 - 08:51am PT
This thread has gotten all squirrely with all the idiotic bickering, but I have to respond to Roughster's allegation:

The hypocrisy of this thread is funny. If you are over 30 and are reading this thread, YOU HAVE CUT A TREE DOWN BEFORE, PERIOD! It was impossible to grow up in the 70s and not have chopped down a tree unless you were both physically and mentally handicapped.

Well, call me "retard"....

Sorry.. that post is just... dumb.

er...I've never cut down a tree. I literally cannot recall ever taking a saw to the base of a tree, although I did pick one out a a Christmas tree farm as a kid and watched my dad cut it down for me... at worst that makes me an Ethan.

Edit since I just saw your response:

[You].. hack off branches, chop down smaller trees for firewood while out camping? All those are actions that ultimately kill a tree.

Really? * sigh *

Uh.. no.. they do not "ultimately kill a tree" as you state. I've collected dead branches on the ground, and trimmed branches off lots of trees... which I can assure you are still alive and well. I live in a wood house for sure.. but it was built before I was born. The Santa Anna winds have blown over and killed more trees in my yard than I have.

I'm not advocating never cutting any trees down. Of course we need harvested wood. I simply cannot condone cutting down any 100 year old slow-growth trees growing on federal land protected by law, in violation of local ethics for the sake of a sport climb.

I don't even understand why any comparison is made to commercially harvested wood at all. That would be wood harvested legally that was cut from faster growing species. There is no comparison in my mind.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:40am PT
I think the point in saying "we've all f*#ked up" isn't to say that Joes actions are equal to everyone's - rather, that we should temper out reactions with objectivity. Of COURSE a juniper at elevation in the Sierra does not equal a birch in a low valley, or however you'd like to slice it. To hold a loudspeaker against others while refusing to take a microscope to our own, is.

Sure, it's more fun to find the boogeyman. That can't be denied, a weird part of the human Ego that asks for retribution.
gf

climber
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:52am PT
those who can, do. those who can't, post.
and no, this is most certainly not an endorsement of wilful acts of self-indulgent behaviour like cutting down ancient junipers that in NO way can be compared to ontario lions head cedar trees, squamish bush, or east cost maples-rather it is a stinging condemnation of those unable to stay the hand when it comes to rushing to the defence of so-called rebels -when the act of cutting down said junipers is the moral equivalent of mountain top mining in kentucky-it is not rebellion but the ultimate act of conformity of "trading all my tomorrows for a single yesterday"

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT


"You want to ruin someone else's reputation, but worry that yours might take a hit if someone finds out you did it?"...

IMO that makes a very strong and valid point...

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
those who can, do. those who can't, post.

Nice post!
gf

climber
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
irony button was not functioning -but trust that was about as clear as a mack truck
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I don't see why its off route to mock someone who claims ignorance if junipers. Lol lol lol.

I've cut down a f*#king shitload of trees, a f*#king sh#t load! Live trees.

Nary a one was 500 years old. Nary a one was a juniper. Nary a one was on public land. Nary a one would raise the hackles of this group.

I'm still a tree hugger; literally. Particularly junipers, I like to touch them. They do have ancient, bondaged (but patient) souls and as such I feel a deep communion with them.

I won't apologize for that. If that renders me couch-tater, so what?

I'm still going to mock that dude for pretending he didn't know he was whacking an ancient tree.

By contract I do not think his employers should drop him. I do not think folks should be calling for his job, but recognize that opinions do vary. I don't give a flying f*#k what IMAGE these pro athletes are supposed to present for their corporate overlords. I don't care what the general population thinks of climbers either. The general population is pretty f*#king stupid too, with lots and lots of ignorance about junipers and chipping and such. They'd best stay the f*#k home and play first person shooter games on their weewees.

So there.

But roughster makes a good point, and Patrick Compton also knocks it regularly out of the park.

// MOCK ON \\

DMT
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Did Kindle produce this commercial?

alleyehave

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 10, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
I think the response is appropriate. If we don't police ourselves, the land managers will.

I also think Pringle should give his side of the story. I'm having a hard time understanding why he thought it was okay to make an approach with a guy carrying a chainsaw to a crag in a pristine NF with the intent of route development and not calling him out. I guess when the stoke is high to send sick projs, who cares right?
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