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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:40am PT
I think the point in saying "we've all f*#ked up" isn't to say that Joes actions are equal to everyone's - rather, that we should temper out reactions with objectivity. Of COURSE a juniper at elevation in the Sierra does not equal a birch in a low valley, or however you'd like to slice it. To hold a loudspeaker against others while refusing to take a microscope to our own, is.

Sure, it's more fun to find the boogeyman. That can't be denied, a weird part of the human Ego that asks for retribution.
gf

climber
Oct 24, 2013 - 11:52am PT
those who can, do. those who can't, post.
and no, this is most certainly not an endorsement of wilful acts of self-indulgent behaviour like cutting down ancient junipers that in NO way can be compared to ontario lions head cedar trees, squamish bush, or east cost maples-rather it is a stinging condemnation of those unable to stay the hand when it comes to rushing to the defence of so-called rebels -when the act of cutting down said junipers is the moral equivalent of mountain top mining in kentucky-it is not rebellion but the ultimate act of conformity of "trading all my tomorrows for a single yesterday"

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT


"You want to ruin someone else's reputation, but worry that yours might take a hit if someone finds out you did it?"...

IMO that makes a very strong and valid point...

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
those who can, do. those who can't, post.

Nice post!
gf

climber
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
irony button was not functioning -but trust that was about as clear as a mack truck
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I don't see why its off route to mock someone who claims ignorance if junipers. Lol lol lol.

I've cut down a f*#king shitload of trees, a f*#king sh#t load! Live trees.

Nary a one was 500 years old. Nary a one was a juniper. Nary a one was on public land. Nary a one would raise the hackles of this group.

I'm still a tree hugger; literally. Particularly junipers, I like to touch them. They do have ancient, bondaged (but patient) souls and as such I feel a deep communion with them.

I won't apologize for that. If that renders me couch-tater, so what?

I'm still going to mock that dude for pretending he didn't know he was whacking an ancient tree.

By contract I do not think his employers should drop him. I do not think folks should be calling for his job, but recognize that opinions do vary. I don't give a flying f*#k what IMAGE these pro athletes are supposed to present for their corporate overlords. I don't care what the general population thinks of climbers either. The general population is pretty f*#king stupid too, with lots and lots of ignorance about junipers and chipping and such. They'd best stay the f*#k home and play first person shooter games on their weewees.

So there.

But roughster makes a good point, and Patrick Compton also knocks it regularly out of the park.

// MOCK ON \\

DMT
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Did Kindle produce this commercial?

alleyehave

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 10, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
I think the response is appropriate. If we don't police ourselves, the land managers will.

I also think Pringle should give his side of the story. I'm having a hard time understanding why he thought it was okay to make an approach with a guy carrying a chainsaw to a crag in a pristine NF with the intent of route development and not calling him out. I guess when the stoke is high to send sick projs, who cares right?
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Jan 7, 2014 - 01:50am PT
Somebody set up swing at a remote/ obscure bouldering area near me. Ultra lame imo.
Credit: T H
Credit: T H
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