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Trad climber
Oct 20, 2013 - 11:16am PT
yes i wax

Wade Icey

Trad climber
Oct 20, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
My goals are to keep raising the bar for hard climbing, podium at a world cup, become a better surfer, live a eco-friendly life, go to college, cherish my family, friends, and animals, keep traveling, and enjoy new experiences

Oct 20, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
why not post the sponsors here so people don't have to go to their website? I personally am not going to the blog or website of either of these guys

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 20, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
I have a feeling those two rockstars never hang out at a given area more than a few days, then it's on to the next hot new crag to leave their mark. Incidents like these are sad, but certainly not surprising given the degree of narcissism and entitlement in the upper echelon of the sport these days. The wilderness ethic seems to have slowly evaporated, and lines of distinction from gym to outdoors blurred.

Nice elucidation.

Joe Kinder, why don't you make this easy on yourself and start talking.

Trad climber
Oct 20, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
I'm not sure what make me sickest - the apologist or the cutters.

These were not just trees - they were living ancient artifacts.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 20, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Seems these two are bolt clipping "fiends" to quote Kidner. And they travel climb an "spray" according to Pringle. So a couple of Bay area doinks travel, saw down what they want and leave. Kinda like shytting on someone elses lawn and leaving the scene. Most definitely sent an email to their company's they "represent".. Bet they travel less if they have to pay for their goodies.

Jim Henson's Basement
Oct 20, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
What Frumy said.^^^

These are not "just trees" to many people. Asshole climbers are a dime a dozen. Old-growth trees are sacred living objects to a lot of us.

Composing my letter to the sponsors now.

Oct 20, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
yes sir...thank you sir

Oct 20, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
nice delete deedeestyle

Oct 20, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
I do not as a rule engage in debate in situations where people cannot be held immediately accountable for their words. I make comments and give my opinion. but for the record...
I got out of bed by rolling to my side and using my arm to help push myself up while swinging my legs to the floor. I learned that years ago while working for a chiropractor and have used it ever since.
I didn't ask for links just one sentence listing their sponsors and I would have taken it from there.
I thrive on my own fear
no I do not want to see one second of their spray
thank you

My twin brother's laundry room
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
If people have a problem with these guys' actions, it'd be better if they contacted them directly instead of talking sh#t on the internet or bad mouthing their sponsors.
The Larry

Moab, UT
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
I haven't seen anybody bad mouths their sponsors. The point is to contact them and let them know what lame sh#t their "ambassadors" are doing.

Oct 20, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Cutting down trees is not new at all to gain access to a climb.

There's been a few trees cut down in Yosemite also.

One time I told the potential culprit not do it.

The tree was blocking in front of a stupid boulder problem.

Fell on deaf ears as far as that went. He cut it down.

Two other times I was able to do routes with trees close enough to the climb where one could stem back to it or lean back onto it without ever touching the tree.

Both those trees have been cut down also.

This so called Pringle tree incident is not looking good either.

It's so much easier to walk away or do it with the tree in the way.

Those trees are so beautiful next to the rock and enhance each other.

Why do we need to do this kind of damage anyways?

Just plain stupid .....


The Desert Oven
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
I will be writing all of their sponsors later today. I hope that others will take the time to do the same. The cutting of the trees was deplorable on a number of different levels. The attempt to "cover-up" what happened shows that these guys are not truly remorseful, but just want to avoid any negative consequences for acting like d#@&%e-bags.

As sponsored athletes, these climbers live off the good-will of the climbing community and tacitly make the claim that they represent "the best" that the climbing world has to offer. Their actions (cutting down the tree and their behavior after the fact) show that this is not the case. If we as a community allow this to pass without comment, then we are giving this behavior our stamp of approval.

Threats of violence against these guys are totally uncalled for. I wish no ill-will towards either Joe or Ethan. However, I would be VERY happy to explain to them in person how incredibly wrong their behavior is. Violence is never the answer, but when people act like as#@&%es they need to be confronted. These guys deserve to hear from us regarding how we view their actions.

Contrary to some posters, I do not see this thread as a witch hunt. In my opinion this thread is a constructive tool that allows members of the community to express our outrage over two climbers destructive and narcissistic behavior. I want to see this thread continue and see other climbers write to Joe, Ethan and their sponsors. Joe and Ethan need to be held accountable.


Social climber
mammoth lakes
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Such an act illustrates a great divide in the "outdoor community". Such disregard for others subsequent experience demonstrates a complete disconnect from both nature and community.
These guys deserve whatever fate has in store for them. Total bonehead manuver.

Oct 20, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Can someone assemble and post a list of sponsors for each and include the sponsor's mailing address?

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
^^^ ncrockclimber +1

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
what ncrockclimberguy said

Time for sponsors to stop pouring resources into more "radness" and start investing in education about the natural world we share. Honestly, who gives a fuk about another 5.14a? Especially if the developers feel the need to inflict that kind of damage.

FWIW, Joe and Ethan both seemed like decent guys when I crossed paths with them years ago. But how they interact with other people at the crag is not the issue. They are clearly clueless about the natural world they exploit for their radness. At this point the best we can hope for is that they (and others) learn from this stupid mistake.

Social climber
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
+ another one for what ncrockclimber wrote.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 20, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
I wrote LaSportiva a very nice message, including the fact ive used their shoes for decades. And then expressed my deep disappointment in the two who represent them in such a POOR manner.
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