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Stephen McCabe
Trad climber
near Santa Cruz, CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 12:51pm PT
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Back in the day, when I climbed with Sergio from Mexico City, when I started to lead, he would say, "see you in the funny pages." In at least parts of Mexico, the obituaries are in the same section as the comics. So, maybe that translates into: vas a morir! :) jajaja
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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Gendarme is the same. It's a French word.
Also, in Argentina, it's a member of the border guards.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 23, 2015 - 07:18am PT
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stephen, i think sergio might have gotten that from me. "see you in the funny papers" is something my dad
(and so me too) used to say. i remember sergio asking "what means ... funny papers"
so i splained it to him. the reason i remember is because
his quick retort was "ok, see you in ALARMA!"
which was a commonly displayed tabloid with shockingly gruesome
explodo-dismemberment photos right on the outside front cover.
he was going easy on you
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:15am PT
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Yo soy alpinisto, donde esta la Montana?
How do you get the Spanish letters and punctuation? The "enyay" (n) and the upside down ! and?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:26am PT
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¡Wïth á spañísh font ôn an iPad yoü can Gęt All the dïãcriticalš jūst by hœlđing yør fįńgęr dõwń ôn thė kēy boąrd.
fõrëąçh léttêr!
¿Õthêrwīsë, ùšē thê čôñtröól kęy?
Chau.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:31am PT
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Dude, you should apply for a job as PTPP's belay slave.
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pitu
Trad climber
barcelona, spain
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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Hi RP3,
"Placa" does not mean slab, means face climbing. I never Heard about "jaraposa".
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:42am PT
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Well, in some dialects it means plate, as in licence plate.
Placa de carro in Galician and Portuguese, for instance.
In other regions it can mean a shield or shingle, or all of those.
And the difference between slab and face isn't always clear in English.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Nov 23, 2015 - 06:38pm PT
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In Argentina, for climbers, placa definitely means "face" as in a face climb. It could refer to a slab or even to a somewhat overhanging face ("Las Placas" in La Vigilancia are slightly overhanging and mostly 5.11 to 5.12 in difficulty, although there are a few steep 5.10s). I am not aware of any specific language distinction (here in Argentina) that distinguishes a slab from a steep face (both are called "placas"). Although one could say a slab is "una placa de mierda sin tomas" = a piece of sh#t face climb without holds, or more politely "una placa de adherencia" = a friction face.
I've never heard a climber say "jaraposa" in Argentina. Maybe it's a word used in Mexico or Central America?
By the way, "toma" is the Argentina word for "hold" (as in a climbing hold). A "roma" is a sloper and a "reglatita" is a crimper (edge hold). In Córdoba a jug was a "manejón" but I don't think that word is quite so common among the porteños (people from Buenos Aires). "Fisura" is a crack and "techo" is a roof. In Frey, most people start out climbing "Diedro de Jim" = Jim's Dihedral and "Fisura de Jim" = Jim's Crack, both named for Jim Donini.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 23, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
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Jaraposa = possibly a variant of haraposa...harapa ,"ragged".
From harapa, rag.
No idea if that fits with the pitches in question.
I. See McCreel covered it, though I wouldn't characterize it as mis-spelling. There are several different Spanish languages. (Castilian,Catalan, Aragonese, Galician, etc.) any one of which might have carried over regionally.
As an example, chimichurri, the classic Argentine condiment, comes from Basque tsim I tsurri, " this and that"
Also, in Argentina, you can figure the spelling might be Italian.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Nov 23, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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Sorry for posting twice in a row, but I just saw TWP's post and he's the one that clued me into this thread. First off I want to emphasize that the common language used by climbers is not uniform across S.A. and I only know (a little bit) about the collequialisms used in Argentina (and even within the country these can be somewhat regional).
Here are a few
1. On belay and off belay: I'm not aware of a specific formal replacement for "on belay", although there probably is one. I usually just say "listo" when I have the belay ready. When a climber gets to the the top of a pitch and is fixed into the anchor, they shout "auto-asegurado", at which point the climber below takes them off belay and shouts back "libre" which is the equivalent of "you are off belay". Don't lean back and expect to get lowered at that point. If you want the belayer to "take" at the end of a pitch yell "tensión".
2. Climb!: If you want to let your belayer know that you are ready to start climbing just say "me voy" or even "voy". There may be a more formal version of this, but I don't know it.
3. Slack: To ask for slack say "soga" or "cuerda" (you're asking for rope). If you want them to take say "tensión!".
Here are some easy ones you asked. I'll try to take on some of the more complicated ones later
shoe = zapatilla (de escalada) or pedula
gloves = guantes
fleece jacket = campera (de polar)
windshell = rompeviento
sweater = sweater (easy!)
socks = medias
fleece = polar
wool = lana
cotton = algodón
tent = carpa
sleeping bag = bolsa de dormir
campsite = lugar para acampar
stove = calentador (I think this is very Argentine)
pot = olla
fry pan = sartén
lid/pan cover = tapa (de olla)
fire = fuego ... there are not many trees in Argentina and not many places where you should "prender fuego" = start a fire
dry wood = leña seca
Hard climb = escalada dificil or escalada dura or via dura, ruta dura, etc.
epic = épica or "una cagada" = a f*#k-up, a screw-up
struggle = luchar (e.g. esa via fue una lucha)
crux = paso clave
red point = encadenar (en primero).
pink point: Fortunately there is not a word for this. You could say something like "encadenar con las cintas puestas"
on sight = a vista
approach = aproximación
climber's trail = sendero (de escaladores) or picada (de escaladores)
a real cockup = una cagada or una joda (this is when something is f*#ked up or someone or something f*#ks with you)
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 23, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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Oct 23, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Is it true that the spaniards refer to their pigs as putas? Brilliant usage if so!
Mostly Marranos in Spain. (Marrancho, cerdos, also)
it's a synonym for cursed, or damned, and what they called crypto Jews and Muslims during the inquisition because they wouldn't eat pork.
The etymology is attested to the New Testament Aramaic " maran atha" .... " the lord has come" or " come, oh Lord"
From first Corinthians 16:22
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 23, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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And when I was on la finca not far from Fitzroy
I met this poor soul who asked,
"Quando regresara el Donini?"
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Nov 23, 2015 - 08:37pm PT
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Thanks yanqui.
Will check back to see when you post more words.
I hope this thread has legs and can lead to development of a Climber's Spanish Dictionary.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 23, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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stove = calentador
I remember estufa. Calentador strikes me as any kind of heater ( like a water heater).
If you want a camping spot, just look for a sign that says "camping".
And in Argentina, anyway, I wouldn't sweat any of it too much. It seems that anyone of climbing age will know some English. The private schools have mandated English for at least the last few years. Big difference from even a couple trips ago. Young people want to practice on you. English is an official language now, and even public school kids get a couple hours a week.
Anybody who is middle class goes to private school.
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Juan Maderita
Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 12:09am PT
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This is an old list I copied from Tradgirl's web page (Dawn Algard), no longer on line (this dates back to Usenet's rec.climbing):
Rock climbing terms: English-Spanish
Abseil - rappel
The process by which a climber may descend on a fixed rope.
Anchor – seguro o reunión.
Bolts along the route or at the top to fix rope to.
(to) Belay - asegurar
To protect a climber from falling by using a belay device and a rope.
Belay device – mechanismo para asegurar
A mechanical device used when belaying. Many types of belay device exist:
Sticht plate - placa
ATC - tubo de freno/placa de aseguramiento placa
GriGri - grigri
A belay device designed to be
easy to use and safe for beginners
because it is self-locking under load.
Bolt – chapa (spits, parabolts)
An anchor-point permanently drilled into the rock.
Bouldering – bouldering o escalada en bloques
The practice of climbing on large boulders. Typically this is close to the ground, so protection takes the form of crash pads and spotting instead of belay ropes.
Carabiner - mosquetón
Metal rings with spring-loaded gates, used as connectors.
Also known as crab or biner.
Locking carabiner -
A carabiner with a locking gate, to prevent accidental release of the rope.
Chalk (liquid or powder) – magnesio (liquido o en polvo)
A compound used to improve grip by absorbing sweat.
Chalk bag – bolsa de magnesio
A hand-sized holder for a climber's chalk that is usually clipped or tied onto the climber's harness for easy access during a climb.
Climbing area – zona de escalada
A region that is plentiful with climbing routes.
Climbing command – frases de escalada
A short phrase used for communication between a climber and
a belayer (person who belays).
Climbing route – via de escalada
Climbing shoe – pies de gato o gatos (Spain)
Footwear designed specifically for climbing. Usually well fitting, with a rubber sole.
Climbing technique – tecnicas de escalada
Particular techniques, or moves, commonly applied in climbing.
Clipping in - chapando
The process of attaching to belay lines or quickdraws for protection.
Crack Climbing – escalar por la grieta
To ascend on a rock face by wedging body parts into cracks.
Dyno – un movimiento dinámico
A dynamic move to grab a hold that would otherwise be out of reach.
Non-climbers might call this a lunge.
Fall - caída
Undesirable downward motion which is stopped by the rope.
(to) Follow – ir de segundo
Go after the lead climber – on toprope
Grade - grado
Intended as an objective measure of the technical difficultly of a particular climbing route, but is actually subjective.
Harness - arnés
Climbing equipment used for attaching a rope to a person.
Helmet - casco
Hold – presa
foothold – presa para el pie
handhold - presa para la mano
Indoor climbing wall – roccódromo
Knots - nudos
Climbers rely on many different knots for anchoring oneself to a mountain, joining two ropes together, slings for climbing up the rope, etc.
Double figure of eight knot – un ocho
Lead climbing – escalar de primero(a)
Where the climber places quickdraws
and attaches the belay rope as they climb.
(to) Lead – ir de primero
Multi-pitch climbing – escalada de varios largos
Climbing on routes that are too long
for a single belay rope.
On-sight – a vista
A clean ascent, with no prior practice.
Overhang - techo
A section of rock or ice that is angled beyond vertical. See roof.
Prusik
1. A knot used for ascending a rope.
2. A knot providing safety when abseiling/rappeling.
Quickdraw – cinta express o express
Used to attach a freely running rope to anchors or bolts. Sometimes called quickies.
Roof - techo
Horizontal overhang.
Rope - la cuerda
An essential item of climbing equipment (usually 50, 60 or 70m long).
Second – la persona que va de segundo
A climber who follows the lead, or first, climber.
Single-pitch climbing – escalada de un largo
Usually shorter climbs from 15m to 30m long, covered by one rope.
Sling - cinta
Webbing sewn, or tied, into a loop.
Smearing/to smear – hacer adherencia
To use friction on the sole of the climbing shoe, when there are no useful footholds.
Solo climbing – escalar sin cuerda
Climbing without any protection or rope.
Sport climbing – escalada deportiva (as opposed to traditional climbing)
A form of climbing where grace and technical (or gymnastic) ability are considered important. Sport routes are bolted.
Spotting - portear
A friend of the climber stands beneath them and prevents awkward falls. Used during bouldering, or when the climber has not yet clipped into the first anchor (bolt).
Top rope – en poléa
To belay from a fixed anchor point above the climb.
Traverse
1. To climb in a horizontal direction.
Webbing
Hollow and flat rope, mainly used to make slings.
Basic Climbing Commands:
When you start
Can you belay me? ¿Me puedes asegurar?
Okay! ¡Vale!
Let’s check Comprobamos
Belayer:
Climb when ready Cuando quieras
Climber:
Climbing Voy
While climbing
Climber:
Slack! (give me slack) (Damme) cuerda
Give me rope
More slack más suelta
Take in! - tensa - make rope tenser
Take in! - pillame! - take my weight on the rope
I want to rest on the rope - quiero descansar con la cuerda
(I’m) Clipping in - chapo
Watch me - Atento! Vigila!
(I’m going to fall) - (me voy a caer)
Belayer:
Wait! - Espere!
The rope’s tangled - la cuerda está enredada
Get your arm over the rope - Pon tu brazo encima de la cuerda
Get your leg over the rope - Pon tu pierna encima de la cuerda
Rope’s twisted - la cuerda está torcida
Encouragement
You can do it! - Puedes!
Get your feet up! - Suba los pies!
There’s a good hold to your right - Hay buena presa a tu derecha
To your right - Por la derecha
To your left - Por la izquierda
Right a bit - Un poco más a la derecha
Left a bit - Un poco más a la izquierda
There’s a foothold - Hay presa para tu pie
by your knee - a la altura de tu rodilla
Good! - ¡Muy bien!
Note: apparently there aren’t enough swear words (palabrotas) in the Spanish translation – sorry!
More Climbing Commands:
At the top of the route
Lead climber:
Once you have reached the top and clipped in to one of the
two rings with your lifeline (cinta de vida):
Safe! - Réunion
The belayer can then give a little slack. If the climber is passing
the rope through the rings, they shout:
(I’m going to put the rope through) - (voy a pasar la cuerda)
Give me rope! - damme cuerda
The belayer shouts:
OK! - vale
And gives the climber 2 or 3 metres of rope.
The lead climber ties an overhand knot in the rope and secures it to their harness with a locking carabiner. Then they untie their figure of eight knot and pass the rope through the two rings (anillos), then retie themselves on with a figure of eight. They unclip the carabiner with the overhand knot and undo this knot then shout:
take in - pillame
They wait then when it feels tight, shout down to check:
Have you got me? - ¿me tienes?
Belayer shouts up:
I’ve got you! - ¡Te tengo!
Both belayer and climber can double-check with a thumbs up or
shouting:
ok, ready to come down’ - listo para bajar
bringing you down - te bajo
Multi-pitch climbing
Communication is important, especially on multi-pitch climbs or other situations where you can’t see each other or hear each other well.
When doing multi-pitch it’s important that your partner knows whether they are safe to climb or not. Remember these calls:
on belay - estas asegurado/ya puedes ir
I’ve got you - te tengo
Safe/ take me off belay - estoy seguro
belay off - sin seguro/estas suelto
off rappel - ya puedes bajar/listo, baja!
Useful Sentences:
What is the name of this route? ¿Como se llama esta via?
What is this route rated? ¿De que grado es esta via?
Does this route have fixed anchors? ¿Tiene seguros fijos esta via?
Do I need a 60 meter rope for this route? ¿Necesito una cuerda de sesenta metros para esta via?
Do I need two ropes to rappel (abseil) this route? ¿Necesito dos cuerdas para rapelar esta via?
How many pitches does this route have? ¿De cuantos largos es esta via?
Do I need trad gear to lead this route? ¿Necesito material para asegurar esta via?
How many bolts does this route have? ¿Cuantas chapas hay en esta via?
Are you done with this route? ¿Habeis acabado con esta via?
Can you spot me? ¿Puedes ampararme?
Can you belay me? ¿Puedes asegurarme?
Can you belay with (device x)? ¿Sabes asegurar con un (device x)?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Nov 24, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
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If you haven't been paying attention, when you go down to Argentina, they just elected a new president. Mauricio Macri.
Here he is in white.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO & Bend, OR
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Nov 24, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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Creo que El Presidente este cantando en pedo.
Yanqui: Correct usage of "en peso?" and the subjunctive "este"?
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