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Deekaid
climber
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"crap like that can foul up the canyon ambiance "
gee, you think?
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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5 PM UPDATE: Alpine County Undersheriff Rob Levy provides new information regarding an assault of a woman Sunday night near Hope Valley who was stopped by a vehicle occupied by a man impersonating a police officer.
Authorities are looking for a man, described as a white, stocky build, approximately 40 to 50 years of age, 6 feet, two inches in height, 225 pounds, with dark hair and a bushy mustache. The male may have sustained injuries.
The male suspect’s vehicle was described as a newer full size diesel pickup, white in color, with possibly having aftermarket custom rims. Here is a news release issued Tuesday afternoon:
On 10-06-13, at approximately 9:00 pm a female was driving westbound on State Route 88 in the area of Woodfords Junction, Alpine County.
The female saw a white truck with unknown plates sitting in the same area. The female observed the truck begin to follow her into Woodfords Canyon area. The female observed what she believed to be a single red light shining from the truck and pulled to the side of the road believing she was being stopped by law enforcement. The female was contacted by a white male wearing dark clothing and a badge.
The male requested her information and then ordered her out of her vehicle. As the female exited her vehicle, the male grabbed her and threw her to the ground. A fight ensued between the male and the female. The female was able to fight off the male and escaped in her vehicle.
The male was described as a white, stocky build, approximately 40 to 50 years of age, 602 in height, 225 pounds, with dark hair and a bushy mustache. The male may have sustained injuries.
The male suspect’s vehicle was described as a newer full size diesel pickup, white in color, with possibly having aftermarket custom rims.
If you have any information please contact the Alpine County Sheriff’s Office at 530-694-2231.
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WBraun
climber
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Calif requires blue along with red lights for law enforcement.
All red is fire.
In order to do a vehicle stop there must be one steady red.
Only having flashing lights is not enough to do a vehicle stop.
Flashing lights are only meant to move traffic out of the way and for traffic to yield.
Vehicle should be marked.
If not marked check for the lic plates.
They are either govt. plates or CA Exempt plates.
On a rural road with no one around if you feel it's bogus keep moving until you are in an area where people can witness the vehicle stop.
If the LEO vehicle is bonafide then they will stop and identify themselves.
If it's fake they will leave the scene.
You have that right to not stop if you feel the vehicle does not meet the basic red/blue, Ca exempt or govt. plates identifying marks in a remote area.
On our vehicles here, on take down (vehicle stop) I wire the blue to flash and 2 steady reds along with the rest of the flashing lights.
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mstearns
climber
CA
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Damn good info Werner. Much appreciated.
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Deekaid
climber
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that is good scoop...also badass she fought the piece of sh#t off
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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the male grabbed her and threw her to the ground. A fight ensued between the male and the female. The female was able to fight off the male and escaped in her vehicle. Yeah.
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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I bet she was a climber. (The woman who fought off the assailant, not your leo.)
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Ladies, NEVER get out of the car, even for a real Cop. This happend to a friend of mine in Big Bear. Tell him, we'll drive to town, to a well lit area with other people around, then I'll get out of the car.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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The scumbag surely preyed in California ... Cali has it's fair share of whackjobs, but the crime occurred in Nevada (or close enough) - a "right to work" state, and still pretty rough-and-tumble, where I assure you it would not be unusual to feel like you were suddenly transported to a sceane from Mad Max, or worse. I speak from experience.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Wow.. She fought him off and he has sustained injuries. That is powerful and good news.
May he be found and face the consequences. As for the woman, buy her a beer, a few diamonds, etc. She is awesome.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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The male was described as a white, stocky build, approximately 40 to 50 years of age, 602 in height, 225 pounds, with dark hair and a bushy mustache. The male may have sustained injuries.
The male suspect’s vehicle was described as a newer full size diesel pickup, white in color, with possibly having aftermarket custom rims.
If you have any information please contact the Alpine County Sheriff’s Office at 530-694-2231.
I'll be keeping my eyes out. Dude is probably gonna kill someone soon.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I heard this news last night through the grapevine. The woman is apparently in CrossFit with a friend of ours. I hope she beat the sh#t out of that low life piece of sh#t and I hope his next attempted victim takes it to the next level.
I have seen several similar posts on facebook. So many in fact that I was a bit skeptical. Apparently this is becoming more common? I seem to recall hearing about more of these cases every decade or so.
horrible
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Ron, you should dress up in drag, fish him out, and take care of him.
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Ikat
Social climber
Carson City
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I wonder if the perp is chosing areas where 911 coverage may be poor or is remote enough that it takes some time for law enforcement to arrive in time to prevent the assault.
This sounds like dangerous devious creep whose had some incarceration in the past.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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probably a removable light
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msiddens
Trad climber
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What a nut, man that really sucks. I'm sorry for the victim.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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I drove through the canyon at that exact time and I am racking my brain trying to remember if I noticed anything.
To think that guy watched us drive by looking for victims. There was no one on the road at that time, it felt very desolate that night.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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years back on mt. Hamilton road one night, I was sitting in my car and some dude on jeep came up the road with red light flashing spot light to my face talking on PA " this is no parking zone, move blah blah blah" and I became suspicious cause local LEs are either CHP or Sheriff and neither drive jeeps with lights all over it so I called sheriff dispatch directly and told them about the jeep dude and they said, we are coming. I rolled the window and told the jeep dude f*#k off and ignored him and he left.
15 min later I left downhill and saw a CHP and SO headed up there looking for that dude.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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You have that right to not stop if you feel the vehicle does not meet the basic red/blue, Ca exempt or govt. plates identifying marks in a remote area.
Everything Werner said is good information.
I talked about this with my husband last night and he said he would check for me the details about the legality of not stopping.
But what he remembers is that, man or woman, marked vehicle or not, you cannot be charged with attempted flight for not stopping in an isolated area. If you have any fear at all that something is not legit, Put your flashers on and continue, at the speed limit or below, to a populated area...
While you are doing this take out your phone and dial 911 and report the situation. They will verify whether or not you should stop.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Too bad she wasn't armed.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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She had no arms?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Too bad she wasn't armed.
Yes. All the Crossfit in the world isn't going to be of much help to most women who are being attacked to by 6'2'', 225 lb. hardened criminal.
Essentially this point was made in another ST thread a few years ago--some women's self defense class brought in a pretty large guy to use to test out their techniques and had him go rough as he could without really hurting anyone--turns out he just bull rushed them and they found their techniques had little practical value against a large guy who is really being aggressive and not playing a scripted play-fight role.
If you're serious about self-defense, seems like your realistic options are a gun and/or structuring your life to make sure a large criminal can never get his hands on you.
It's "cute" to think that some Crossfit is going to allow the intended victim to turn the tables against the attacker, but it's not realistic.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Some nut job was tailgating me down Echo Summit. There was a line of traffic all the way into town, so it wasn't like I was going unreasonably slow. I tapped my breaks a bit and the as#@&%e flipped on his brights and got even closer. It escalated and he ended up following me into my neighborhood. I took a few more turns to see if I could lose him, but he persisted. So I turned on my interior light, got in my glove box, and grabbed my PHONE. The guy slammed on his breaks and took off.
Guns... pffft. What a bunch of idiots! Yeah, if you think you are getting pulled over by a cop, be sure to have your gun in hand just in case they turn out not to be a real cop. Do you people think, at all, ever?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Regarding not pulling over in unpopulated areas.
You can certainly be charged and arrested by the officer. It probably won't stick if you fight it but.. them LEOs can certainly take you in and make life miserable till bailed. Still risking it can be better than pulling over if you feel any reason to be suspicious.
The 911 call is a good idea and being incredibly polite with a possibly irate officer will help.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Ron is so wise. That girl should have known better... or at least been carrying a gun. Everyone should carry a gun and expect the worst with every encounter, especially if they don't know how to properly ID a real officer.
Genius!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I know thinking of one thing is hard enough for some of you so that thinking of two things may be impossible, but . . .
just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can't have a phone too, and use it;
just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can't drive away.
But when Officer Friendly turns out to be Mr. Goodbar, having a gun may have some utility, depending on the circumstances.
If you want to be raped and tortured by some psycho, fine, whatever floats yer boat, but some of us would rather have something a little stronger than Crossfit to deal with a bad situation, and all the more so for women.
And I haven't heard too many CCP holders getting gunned down by cops during traffic stops, but who knows, maybe Fox is suppressing it or something.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'm pretty sure CCP class teaches student pistol packers to let the cop pulling you over know you're armed immediately upon contact.
"I have a gun, and a permit to carry it" would be good news to a real cop - and a warning to go bother someone else to a fake cop.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Glad she was able to fight the perp off.
Phyl, great suggestions. Though I'm not sure I'd drive slowly!
I'd be doing the speed limit or more, and honking my horn like
crazy.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 10, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Fake cop...? Sounds like Fattrad is out of retirement...? Did the assailent reek of donuts...? RJ
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
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The important thing to remember is that everyone should carry a gun, always. Guns make the world a safer place, always. If you can think through a simplified scenario from behind a keyboard, real life situations will certainly pan out the same way.
You should always have your gun ready for a shoot out when you are getting pulled over, just in case it isn't a real cop. When you are approached by the potential LEO you should tell them you are packing heat because a real cop will respect you for it and a fake cop will run. There is no way the real cop will perceive any danger because they KNOW guns make the world a safer place, always. And there is no way a fake cop will be able to over power you and take your gun once you take away the element of surprise.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 10, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
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If only I had more guns there would be no need for drama.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Oct 13, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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I had wondered about this possibility.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Oct 13, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
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If only I had a gun I could Elvis my monitor and this thread would die.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Oct 14, 2013 - 10:18am PT
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I do feel sorry for her she felt a need to explain her situation this way. Probably a domestic violence victim.
That is truly sad. Regardless of the real situation, I'm sure it could be solved with a gun.
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