Park @ 140 gate and walk up to Arch Rock - ok or not ok?

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le_bruce

climber
Oakland, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 2, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Grrrr. What's the straight dope here. Can I park outside the 140 entrance and hoof it up to Arch?
WBraun

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
It's closed. Not OK

That means everything inside the park boundaries.

What part of closed do you guys not understand?

If someone gets hurt then you call sar for participating in a closure area?

You will will be completely hosed and the fines exorbitant.

No one one likes or wants this total fubar here but we have to live with it.

Resources are at rock bottom minimum to deal with anything.

That's why it's closed .......
susan peplow

climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Oct 2, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
^^^ Exactly, thanks Werner! ^^^

We have local bandits in JTree asking similar questions. Just move along people, nothing to see or do here..........for now anyways.

le_bruce

climber
Oakland, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
God damnit, Braun.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Oct 2, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
It will be open again someday. In the meantime we can go elsewhere.
Werner is stuck with the skeleton crew and I hope that it does not turn epic due to the usual idiots.

I love the Valley in October, and have plans, but it looks like we are gonna switch to SoYos unless this Shutdown gets fixed.
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Oct 2, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
I empathize with all the employees and the BS they will have to deal with, but...

Then again, I guess 'Public lands are not Public' at all are they ?

This time the National parks.

Then it will be all BLM land.

Then just good ole 'Martial Law' !

I say it's time to put the reigns on Washington and the FED in general !
Federal level politicians live a lifestyle few of us will ever know and They do this off tax revenues and corporate lobbyist money
(a polite way to say bribes!).
All the while they get very little done other than bickering and deliberating over new scenarios to bolster the coffers of their corporate pimp's pockets !

If I got paid what Senator or Congressman made, relative to what they produce, then I would get paid $182.67 for every bolt I nutted up !
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
Werner,

Are you personally allowed to climb while the park is closed?

John M

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
Not even supposed to go hiking.

During the 95 closure things eased up after about a week, but right now the rangers seem to be taking it serious.
TheMaster

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Utterly stupid to say we can't go in to OUR park! I don't need a ranger babysitting me while I am there. I do fine in the backcountry and in FS/BLM lands. Why should NPS be different?

What part of "public lands" don't they get?

With all due respect Werner and Susan, I don't NEED the resources available in the park. I can do fine without them. If the shutdown means closed VC's and crappers, I am fine with that. If the shutdown means they don't trust me in the park without a ranger to babysit, I am NOT okay with that.

Utter B.S.

Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
Climbers think they are special...
Juanito

Social climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
I'm hearing that people are able to drive into the valley so long as they don't get out of their cars. Supposedly only the roads to Glacier and Mariposa are completely closed. Is this true? If so, is this just until all the campers are pushed out? How are they enforcing this?

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
The Republican people that are closing down our Public lands don't want those lands to be under: "Government-Control."

Please!

Think about what happens when our climbing areas are owned by "Corporate America"


-------whose managers don't think that climbing is a "profit-center."
Brock

Trad climber
RENO, NV
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
So I guess they are not rounding up all the backcountry hikers either? Man, I think of all the climbs in the middle of no where I've climbed and in complete knowledge of no help if I get into trouble. So how does closing Yosemite to a complete self contained climber/hiker effect anyone? Go for it. Guess they will try to fine you so they can pay for the days they are not getting paid too.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
If you can't find a way in untooled, you don't belong there.
John M

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
I'm hearing that people are able to drive into the valley so long as they don't get out of their cars. Is this true?

Sort of true. You can only drive partway into the valley. Most traffic is sent back out at the El Cap bridge.

Check out Tom's report. The first pic shows one of the check points.

http://www.elcapreport.com/content/elcap-report-100213-special-shutdown-edition

WTF

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
PARKLINE IS SICK
Juanito

Social climber
San Diego, CA
Oct 3, 2013 - 12:06am PT
I've read in the Oakhurst paper that Tioga road is open. You can still enter from Oakhurst, drive into El Cap Meadow and then head over the pass. I wonder if you can drive from El Portal to Oakhurst via the Valley or do they force you over Tioga?

Just thinking out loud, but you could get someone to drop you off and then pick you up later when you're done. Just grab your backpack or haul bag and go!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 3, 2013 - 12:10am PT
who would respond to SAR at Parkline?
WBraun

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 12:20am PT
Parkline is inside the park boundaries.

This isn't about sar, me or you.

I gave an honest answer to the original question.

It's up to you people to be responsible.

If you end up being irresponsible and stupid then you'll eat the repercussions of those actions if you get caught.

It's that simple .......

Chim-Chim

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 01:03am PT
Well stated master. so all federal lands are closed cuz the babies in congress can't act like adults. Unnecsesarry amenities. what if you go overland don't need a road to tell you where to go, Kibby Lake area perhaps, and climb a rock. And yer Busted?... Stupid Americans , I'm calling Bullshyt. You can climb at the Leap, camp just bury your dooky doo. Why can you do that there, but a national forest within the Park System is off limits? Bullshyt Come to Woodfords where you can camp for free, climb where and how you like. No rangers, no baby sitters though, Aka Sar. If you get into trouble you must be self reliant though, something lawyers who cause most problems would dread Werner's correct stupid Americans This land your this land is my land from Californis etc... Mother fkers. Not irresponsible to go climbing if that's what you want to do. "Ordinary people just go climbing" W.B.
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