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couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 2, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Shutdown? Looks to me like from here that things are actually running better. Maybe we just had an extra 700,000 deadwood employees on the books. Ouch.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
"Shutdown? Looks to me like from here that things are actually running better."


Yeah, not so much for the small businesses who depend on JT at this time of year for their livelihoods...

Our access to the Park is completely shut off- a place where the great majority of the meager incomes that guides & services depend on this time of year. This, after losing nearly half the summer due to the fires in the San Jacinto Mountains.

I know damn well that many of the small business owners who are hurting on this right now are conservatives and vote Republican. Wonder which way they'll vote in the next election...?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 2, 2013 - 12:42pm PT


"Wonder which way they'll vote in the next election...?"...

Patterns...

Very HARD to break!!!...

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Apogee said:
..."not so much for the small businesses who depend on JT at this time of year for their livelihoods...

Our access to the Park is completely shut off- a place where the great majority of the meager incomes that guides & services depend on this time of year. This, after losing nearly half the summer due to the fires in the San Jacinto Mountains."

No doubt about it. Reminds me of the gov't asswipes who closed off the WW2 monument in Washington DC. It was outside, and they really only closed it so that people would get to feel some pain....needlessly. They didn't have to be vindictive like that. But they did. Till some old WW2 vets who had traveled a long distance moved the barricades and walked in. It's public F&&&*ing land damnit. It's not like a building or something may get stolen. Just leave it open and alone. It's about control. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/10/01/honor-flight-vets-break-through-shutdown-imposed-barriers-to-visit-wwii-memorial/

Good thing there were 2 congressmen present.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?
Started by a liberal
The minds of liberals: CLOSED!--John M, a liberal himself

A man with a closed mind wouldn't bother to take in the thoughts of a ...
A man with a closed mind wouldn't bother to take in the thoughts of a Ponderosa, would he? Dr. F and MH and the tree in a heated debate about the park closure to come.
Credit: mouse from merced
"Open."
"Closed."
"Open during the days only?."
crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
No doubt about it. Reminds me of the gov't asswipes who closed off the WW2 monument in Washington DC. It was outside, and they really only closed it so that people would get to feel some pain....needlessly. They didn't have to be vindictive like that. But they did. Till some old WW2 vets who had traveled a long distance moved the barricades and walked in. It's public F&&&*ing land damnit. It's not like a building or something may get stolen. Just leave it open and alone.

Leave it open and alone? It would be great if the situation was that simple and folks were that respectful:

Lincoln Memorial, a few months ago
Lincoln Memorial, a few months ago
Credit: crunch

apogee has a good point. Round here, we're just recovering from all the flooding, roads closed, local trails destroyed, most climbing areas around here closed, and now, just as the leaf-peepers usually show up to see the elks and aspens etc, Rocky Mountain National Park (which had just opened up again!) is closed.

There is a lot of wasteful expenditure in the vast bureaucracy of federal government. This is not the way to address this problem.


Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
"This is not an age characterized by belief."

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of a passionate intensity"

 W.B. Yeats
dirtbag

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
All these stupid right wing fukks bitching about government should move to Somalia if they hate government so much.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
The Somali government has just about as much credibility as our government does at the moment.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Our Congress has zero credibility . But if you think our governmental institutions has as much credibility, or function as well, as Somalia, then you have been sucking ayn rand's tit for far too long.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
No, fukk you! And Wasn't your racist ass banned?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
dirtbag said:
"All these stupid right wing fukks bitching about government should move to Somalia if they hate government so much."

That's as stupid as saying "if all YOU dumbfukk big gov't libruls love big government so much you should move to Zimbabwe. " When are you moving ?

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0911/countries-with-the-highest-government-spending-to-gdp-ratio.aspx
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
"Many <conservatives>, especially on internet forums, are the antithesis of a true <conservative>."

Fixed that for ya.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
couchmaster retorted
That's as stupid as saying "if all YOU dumbfukk big gov't libruls love big government so much you should move to Zimbabwe. " When are you moving ?

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0911/countries-with-the-highest-government-spending-to-gdp-ratio.aspx


I've always been curious about this "cash expenditure as measure of size of government" thing. If we lived in near anarchy and the government counted for 50% of GDP would that be a large government? If government expenditure was only 1% of GDP but we lived under constant surveillance and scrutiny at home with very few personal liberties would that be a small government? This seems like a device created by those who benefit the most from tax cuts to trick people into thinking that government expenditure is the only yardstick that matters while dodging the important conversations about the real reach and scope of government.

And to rebut your retort, couch, liberals don't want a an arbitrarily bigger government, they want a government that accomplishes certain goals of ensuring security, social justice and equity. Conservatives do state that they want an arbitrarily smaller government.

Plenty of liberals want the government to stop reading emails and dictating women's reproductive choices and plenty of conservatives want more government surveillance and regulation of immigration. I'm sure that can easily be put into a cartoon of an asteroid shooting at something someone get on it.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:57pm PT

"Reminds me of the gov't asswipes who closed off the WW2 monument in Washington DC. ... They didn't have to be vindictive like that."...



LOL!!!...

You mean like the Republicans are doing right now because they didn't get their way???...

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Vacant may be a better descriptor than closed.

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/10/02/zero-tolerance-follies-8-year-old-suspended-for-using-hand-as-gun-during-game/
squishy

Mountain climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:33pm PT






















TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Is Barry's caddy and massage chair essential?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:47pm PT


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