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Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Why...because they can. Stupid American government. Let's make it hurt....pinkie to mouth Dr Evil style
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
Just don't sign up and take the fine at the end of the year...

yes, that will "work"

the first year the fine is only some $95 so yeah don't get health insurance and take the gamble

the second year it goes up to like 300 and another hike the next year

the goal is not have freeloaders who mooch off the rest of us who pay in

drive a car without insurance, sure go ahead as the ticket and court appearance are not painful

....until you are the non insured driver in an accident

then watch everything you have in life being taken away by the lawsuit

....we are all this together, and we ought to act like we know that
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Why are we in it together? Because the government tells us so? Of course, politicians know best.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Obamacare will go bust and require a MASSIVE tax hike 5-10years down the road because 20 somethings in good health will likely not buy into the plan to finance the aging boomers.

Prepare to PAY. At risk of plagiarism...stupid sheep.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Hey, TGT...has this shutdown affected your company's business yet?

In one day, the impacts hit my business directly: loss of access to a primary site of operation, and the loss of business from a gov't agency who regularly works with my company.

How about you?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Right now, Ron, I'm way more concerned about the fact that the House Republican gov't hostage tactics have cut deeply into my already modest income. F*#k those guys!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Rampant fraud on a New York City contract last year didnít stop a major nonprofit from landing a slew of federal contracts to sign people up for ObamaCare.

Seedco, a New York-based community-development organization, was sued by the federal government for faking at least 1,400 of 6,500 job placements under a $22.2 million federally funded contract with the city.

Eighteen months later, the feds and Seedco are teaming up again, this time to help medical-insurance seekers maneuver through the maze that is the Affordable Health Care Act.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/01/fraud-firm-gets-ok-to-sign-people-up-for-obamacare/
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
TFG was not aware of that
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
Hey, TGT...how's the closure affecting your company?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
"i feel your pain"

No, you don't, Ron.

I appreciate your attempt for empathy, but the county where I live is in the country's top 2 worst hits for foreclosures...while our living areas might have similar economic impacts, you're ability to continue conducting your business hasn't been dramatically reduced in the matter of 24 hours. It's not the same, Ron.

And even with these impacts, I plan on paying my medical insurance this month. You know...being personally responsible & all that.
Gimp

Trad climber
Grand Junction
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
In regards to Gunkie's and Philo's earlier posts.
The two absolutes are:
1. Insurance company profits will continue to rise.
2. Health insurance premiums will continue to rise.

In addition as I understand it you will now pay a 2.3% sales tax on your premium and in Gunkie's instance he will pay a "fine/tax" for having a good policy i.e. over a $10,000 dollar premium (reference data from the WSJ).

Another question is who will not demand supplementation such that they have the platinum plan versus the bronze plan that only covers 40% of your health care costs? This seems like a very complex issue in itself since those in need of the platinum that are currently uninsured certainly will not have the resources to pay their portion of this plan.

On a more personal, note my 85 year old mother (a fervent Obama supportor) has now been bumped by IBM to the exchanges for her medicare supplemental. Not something she planned on trying to negotiate via computer at this point in her life. Her physicians office has already notified her of the need to get this clarified pronto!!
Steve

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
We are all Fu***'d.

I am going to drop out and go on the dole ( while climbing daily).

Government, please take care of me.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Yes that's why they all voted for it hahahaha

Twentysomethings didn't know what they were voting for. Most of them were too stupid, and don't know anything about the adult world. With Obama they thought they were getting The Lord of social media. This is what the media was telling them.

Wait until they find out otherwise--some of them already are.

In fact over the next year ordinary people are going to discover what Obamacare is really all about.
Up until now only a few wonks have been able to unravel this turkey.

Wait until ordinary Americans find out.

Next step is gov't cost controls on medical goods and services, then single payer

If this is true then this comment is a way of saying that Obama , who assured everyone that single payer was not the goal, is a bald-faced manipulative liar, who purposely misrepresented this looming train wreck.

And pretty soon now, there won't be any kind of repub obstructionism to deal with - the tea party will see to that.

This is the current bandwagon blog line that is a rather transparent attempt to marginalize growing numbers of ordinary Americans who are , and have always been , opposed to Obamacare and what it means for this nation and for themselves as individuals.
These Americans are letting their representatives know exactly what they think and feel.

The "tea party" is not a substantial player in this ---except as a straw boogeyman designed to fool people into thinking the opposition to Obamacare is extreme and fanatical and therefore not authentic.
Hoser

climber
vancouver
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
I want a chance to survive in my business and buy my own damm coverage. Or be able to pay it off directly. Wouldnt that be nice?

But I thought you already figured that out in the other thread ?

John Q public doesnt know i won in birds at a WORLD Competition nor do they know what that takes. What they ask is PRICE. And couldnt tell the diff between someone with 40 yrs and someone with 40 hours of "talent"..

If your product is no different than what I can get cheaper then you lose, thats pretty much the deal with any business...its not personal, everyone looks for the best product at the cheapest price.

Which is really why universal health care is the best.

I go to the doctors and he fixes me up just as good as the millionaire next to me.

I LOVE IT

Good Luck
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Unfortunately, the millionaire will get top notch, timely medical care while the masses will wait their turn for mediocre care at best.

We will see 2 classes of health care. Haves and have nots. Need an MRI sir...our next available appointment is 4 months from now.


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
I am going to drop out and go on the dole ( while climbing daily).

Government, please take care of me.

Let us know how that works out for you.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
G-damm climbers are the most spoiled self centered of all. Get on that would ya

lol!

soo true!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:07pm PT


this guy shut the govt down seven times in eight years.

Dems weren't complaining then.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:16pm PT




What right does the House have to do it?

They have more than a right, they have a duty that they were elected to perform!

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
by that logic, TGT

SO DOES THE SENATE AND THE PRESIDENT

duh
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