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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 2, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
LOL if Obamacare was so bad the republicans would not be trying to block it.. they would let it go in effect and destroy the democrats. Methinks they doth protest too much

Oh and WTF does all this have to do with funding the government? Is Obama trying to shove tax hikes on the rich by attaching it to a basic budget?

Nope its ONLY the republicans trying to attach unrelated demands.

You cannot tell me the republicans are afraid of something as bad as they claim obamacare is when if it really was that bad it would only stick to Obama... since it's His legislation.

They would let it go through and laugh all the way to the polls.

Repubs are clearly liars or political idiots. I see no other possible analysis of the situation.

The fact is they are trying to kill it before it happens because they are very afraid people will like it once they actually have it. It's hard to tell people how bad a peperoni pizza is once they have eaten one.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 2, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
So 16M more insured is bad?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
Obama care=bullshit!
I love the price of the packages they offer.
They must think we have lots of money.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
No Ron the republicans could do an honorable job trying to stop Obamacare.. one could argue they have done so.. up until now when they have decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater.. now they have gone too far even if you agree that Obamacare is bad. They are doing more harm than good.

That's the problem now.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Healthcare is and will continue to be a joke in the U.S. for DECADES to come. Now we will just add bureaucracy to the mix. I typically wake up in the Am and say...man the government runs in a finely tuned and efficient manner. I bet they will do great with health care lol
I see a huge shortage of primary care physicians being an issue. I work with/around many physicians. None of them want their own children to pursue medicine. The other advice I hear is if they do, go into a specialty that has little to do with insurance( cosmetic etc).

I also see 2 classes of care in the future. The wealthy will get access to the best doctors and the rest of us will be left with long waits and possibly not the best care. Actually, it is already happening with many primarys offering their "concierge service". My primary kicked me to the curb because I will not pay him an $1800 per year fee just to be able to be one of his patients.

Good times!

Now I am off to apply at Costco or some other retailer where I can receive medical benefits. Honestly thinking it is time to close up my fairly successful small business and work for the MAN.( ie health benefits)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Ya know, Ron, when I first got into my line of work, I couldn't afford a lot of stuff, including medical insurance. A few, well-intentioned 'tough love' friends of mine told me that if my line of work doesn't allow me to cover basic personal responsibilities (like insurance), perhaps I need to find a different line of work, or figure out a way to take responsibility for myself.

Capiche?
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
The crazy thing is that I could afford it when purchased on the open market. If what I am seeing/being told is true, my cost to insure my family will at least....double.

Recently, I was doing contract work for a Fortune 500 company. Their yet to be announced plan is to transition from 80% ft employees to 50%. So thousands will be getting their hours cut and will lose corporate health benefits. Sucks to be them!

EDIT: Sucks to be me too. I supported it initially. As Obama said...If you like your health insurance, you can keep it. Nope, it goes Bye Bye on Jan 1 and I pay wayyy more.

Typical politician BS. Tell the people what they want to hear and then change it later.

Not much trust of the government in our household these days!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Health tied to work. Kinda antiquated in an age where there is no worker/workplace loyalty anymore.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
Just don't sign up and take the fine at the end of the year...

Case closed!!!...


Thinking about it. Having a couple sub 18 year old kids make it difficult. More likely will need to take a shi**y job with bene's in addition to my FT job.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
"You also talk like im on some social program tit too."

Good on ya for 'paying as you go', thusfar, Ron.

Problem is, even if you never have a serious accident, you will very likely require significant medical care in the later years of your life. Even if you turn down the majority of the options, you are going to need care you won't be able to pay for.

Unless you've got a nice little nest egg for just such an occasion, you need to take some personal responsibility (like most of us) and get yourself insured.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
The death panel will take care of locker when he gets the blue butt plug stuck and seeks medical care
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Hey, there's still money for Barry's massage chair.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/despite-govt-shutdown-army-awards-2163-contract-massage-chair_759085.html

The chair was ordered for Fort Belvoir in Virginia, the site of many of President Obama's local golf outings. The classification is "Furniture," so it is not clear if the chair is intended as a rehabilitation tool, or just a relaxation aid.

Is Barry's caddy an essential government employee too?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:35pm PT

Problem is, even if you never have a serious accident, you will very likely require significant medical care in the later years of your life. Even if you turn down the majority of the options, you are going to need care you won't be able to pay for.

Unless you've got a nice little nest egg for just such an occasion, you need to take some personal responsibility (like most of us) and get yourself insured.

He gets Medicare when he's 65--assuming he's a citizen :)
We call that "insurance," although taxpayer funded health care would be a better way to describe it, same thing that, in a way, most Americans with "insurance" get.
I put "insurance" in quotes because what is called "insurance" now, and even more so under Obama-care, isn't really what the word "insurance" means, although there's an element of that.

Anyway, you can't really blame anyone for failing to pay free market rates for something where the government has prevented a free market from functioning.
jstan

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIJfDn60FpA

This amazingly informative account of contributions to western culture coming from the Arab
world during Sumerian and Babylonian times poses us an urgent and very timely question.

How is it such a rich and creative culture has sunk to that which we see today in that part of the
world? In just 7000 years you are very unlikely to see genetic drift adequate to explain.

A hypothesis. The Muslim world places huge value on conformity; so much so as to suggest death
to all those not conforming. Just as Rush Limbaugh believes conformity confers strength for the
next election, perhaps Mohammed was a vehicle for achieving short term strength in the face of
renaissance Europe. Presently that conformity has however caused shutdown of the US
government at no real benefit to anyone (least of all to its authors) and unchecked religious
warfare throughout the Arab world.

While conformity may provide short term strength, I wonder if conformity is not a disaster long
term.

If this is so, the chaos we see here on ST may actually be a good thing - long term.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
From the RFQ



The NARCO - Fort Belvoir requires the following items, Brand Name or Equal, to the following:
LI 001: Black OSAKI OS-6000 Leather Deluxe Massage Chair
? Relaxation chair with massage cababilities ? Recline functions for recumbent positions ? Ability for zero gravity position ? Multi-roller capabilities ? At least 30 air bags around the neck, arms, legs, back, hands, and feet ? Automatic and manual vibration programs ? Controller for adjusting programs and settings ? Various methods of massage including: rolling, tapping, and kneading ? Various massage speed settings ? Auto-timer ? Adjustable footrest ? MP3 music integration

Zero Gravity positions you back to minimize pressure along the spine. The chair is equipped with twin rollers to mimic the feel of human thumbs & Fingers, enhancing the massage experience. MP3 player with Music sync with two speakers in the backrest. LED light in the side panel create one kind of nice environment. Designed with a set of S-track movable intelligent massage robot, special focus on the neck, shoulder and lumbar massage according to body curve. Uses twin rollers to mimic the feel of the human thumb, thereby enhancing the massage experience. 51 air bags around the neck, shoulder, back, seat, arms, palms, soles for extra comfort as it cradles the body like a glove for increased massage effectiveness. Automatically detect the whole body curve as well as make micro adjustments, which brings more humanistic and scientific massage enjoyment. Six unique auto programs: Anti-stress, Stretching, Full Air and more! Automatic massage for the upper body (the shoulder, neck, back and the lumbar); the lower body (buttock, thigh, calves and the feet). Manual massage for the upper body with three options, namely Full, Partial and Spot options; Six methods, namely Polling, Kneading, Tapping, Clapping, Shiatsu, Swedish with five levels of speed, intensity and three kinds of width adjustable respectively. The buttocks vibration massage offers air bubble-like massage to your skin through gentle rhythmic vibration that helps eliminate weariness and improve overall health. The footrest can be extended for various heights between 59" to 75", It comes complete with an auto-sensor button to scan the soles for a comfortable fit and extend its leg-rest to accommodate various heights. The LCD displayer with wireless mini-controller. Auto-timer 5-30 minutes options
Zero Gravity Design: ? Most ergonomically correct inclining position, taking all the burden of gravity off your spine. It cradles you like a baby and leaves you feeling weightless and deeply released ? Helps relieve back pressure - Helps reduce muscle tension ? Helps correct spinal alignment ? Helps expand lung capacity ? Helps decrease stress on the heart, 1, EA;

Solicitation and Buy Attachments
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
I can buy me one of those chairs with the 1-2 payments I am not going to make to Obamacare. Remember, it takes us young healthy people to buy into the system to pay for the old broken down Locker types hehehe
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Hey, TGT...do you have medical insurance?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
irony: climbers that don't want single-payer health care.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
The National Park Service has ordered the closure of a Virginia park that sits on federal land, even though the government provides no resources for its maintenance or operation.

The Claude Moore Colonial Farm announced on Wednesday that NPS has ordered it to suspend operations until Congress agrees to a deal to fund the federal government.

According to Anna Eberly, managing director of the farm, NPS sent law enforcement agents to the park on Tuesday evening to remove staff and volunteers from the property.

“You do have to wonder about the wisdom of an organization that would use staff they don’t have the money to pay to evict visitors from a park site that operates without costing them any money,” she said.

The park withstood prior government shutdowns, noting in a news release that the farm will be closed to the public for the first time in 40 years.

“In previous budget dramas, the Farm has always been exempted since the NPS provides no staff or resources to operate the Farm,” Eberly explained in an emailed statement.

“In all the years I have worked with the National Park Service … I have never worked with a more arrogant, arbitrary and vindictive group representing the NPS,” Eberly said.

The farm is an historical reenactment site, which “authentically portrays the life of an 18th Century American family building a life on the nearer edges of civilized society,” according to its website.

Farm staff repeatedly asked the NPS to allow the farm to remain open. “Every appeal our Board of Directors made to the NPS administration was denied,” Eberly said.

She called the decision “utter crap.”

“We have operated the Farm successfully for 32 years after the NPS cut the Farm from its budget in 1980 and are fully staffed and prepared to open today. But there are barricades at the Pavilions and entrance to the Farm,” Eberly explained.

Previous federal funding battles have threatened the farm’s operations. A group of citizens in 1980 formed the Friends of Turkey Run Farm, established a $500,000 endowment for the farm, and negotiated a 30-year no-fee lease.

According to Eberly’s statement, farm staff have been in contact with Reps. Frank Wolf (R., Va.) and Jim Moran (D., Va.) in an attempt to reverse NPS’ decision. Neither congressman returned a request for comment.

News of the farm closure comes as controversy rages over the closure of the World War II memorial on the National Mall.

WWII veterans in Washington as part of the Honor Flight Network stormed the memorial on Tuesday, defying NPS, which insisted that the memorial was legally closed.

More Honor Flight veterans showed up on Wendesday, flanked by members of Congress from both parties. Republican members blamed Democrats for the memorial’s closure, and vice versa.

Some speculated that the decision to close the memorial was part of a concerted effort by the administration to play up the consequences of the shutdown in an effort to convince congressional Republicans to agree to a funding bill without preconditions.

That tactic is known as the Washington Monument Strategy, in reference to efforts by Nixon administration officials to inflate the consequences of budget cuts at the time
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Oct 2, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
We have such an informed citizenry.


http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/83292-watch-jimmy-kimmels-hilarious-obamacare-prank/
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