Yosemite will be Closed for the Gov shut down!

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Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 24, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
We're headed for possible shut down. This time its starting to look like it might happen. Working here in Sequoia I've already been hearing how it will be if it does.Signs saying 'Closed' at the entrance station and a really bare bones crew working and on call. All the campers will have one day to vacate. Crazy and historical all at once! In Yosemite I can imagine that it will be even more intense! Who's going to call the wall climbers off of El Cap and other formations. Would this be a good time to go up? I'm going to be pissed right off and out of a job too. What do you all think??
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 24, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
BITD they closed the Zion road in winter to put in a sewer line and I rode my mule in.

Still one of my favorite trips. It was like a century and a half earlier except the deer had become tame and soon my mule was trotting up the canyon with deer on all sides within 10m, each checking out the other.
The silence was deafening.

Be pretty cool to be on the Captain without traffic on the road.
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Sep 24, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
Chicken Little will call them off the walls!
OR

Trad climber
Sep 24, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Trollapalooza
Levy

Big Wall climber
So Cal
Sep 24, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Rene, do you have any idea when they might impliment such a shutdown? I was planning to be in Yosemite beginning on the 28th for a spell. It woulld be inconvenient if the place was shut down & I had to make new plans.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Sep 24, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Well, actually it does. If the government does shutdown, the parks will be closed. The NPS will keep a bare minimum LEO staff and a hand few others on board but that will be it.

Last year I got a call from the NPS due to the impending shutdown (which never happened) that if this did happen a Ranger would be at the entrance so I could in out from my home.

Hopefully this will not happen. The last time it did, the park was closed for several weeks.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 24, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
I rode my mule in


Does your mule like being laughed at?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 24, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
Rene, do you have any idea when they might impliment such a shutdown?


no one does, but it's not likely to happen in the short term.

gop went nuclear on cruz. they're going to line up face-saving stuff that will buff the base, but if boehner and mcconnell were gonna cave, they'd have done it.






klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 27, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
well, mcconnell didn't cave, but it looks like boehner will. or better put, he's not driving the bus.

the gop look like the dems at the chicago convention.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/government-shutdown-predictions-97488.html?hp=t1_3



Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 27, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Does your mule like being laughed at?

At 17 hands Blue was a giant, bigger than most horses and twice as strong.
Good thing she was such a sweet hearted beast.
We have a few moose in southern Utah. Perhaps some of the other deer have seen them and mistook her, but I doubt they laughed.

Neither would you if you saw us running at you (or did you not know that mules kick with their front legs too?)
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Sep 27, 2013 - 10:02pm PT

Hey,
us poor folks in the Front Range can't climb at Eldo, Boulder
Canyon, the Flatirons. . . and not because the gubmint can't
get their act together. . .
Gagner

climber
Boulder
Sep 27, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Headed to the valley on the 9th - I'm going to be PISSED if I can't get in. Leventhal we'll have to connect, 'cause I'll be out for sure.....
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 28, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Wondering if anyone has answers to these practical questions that I have since I live inside the park entrance.

1. When would Yosemite shut down? Right on October 1st or later?

2. I'm assuming I'd be able to get in and out. I have a park sticker and address on my license. If somebody wanted to visit me would I have to leave the park and go get them or could they talk their way in at the gate?

Peace

Karl
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 28, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
Wondering if anyone has answers to these practical questions that I have since I live inside the park entrance.

1. When would Yosemite shut down? Right on October 1st or later?

2. I'm assuming I'd be able to get in and out. I have a park sticker and address on my license. If somebody wanted to visit me would I have to leave the park and go get them or could they talk their way in at the gate?

i doubt that anyone knows yet-- how did it work in the '95 shutdown?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
There's only one guy threatening a shut down.



Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Will the Supertopo still be open ? Huh?
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Sep 28, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
The extreme right can't abide by the political process and thus resort to economic terrorism to try to get their way.

Maybe we will be seeing this next...

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 28, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Is PTPP still up on El Cap? If he didn't have a radio, he would be really surprised when he got down.

The valley is an amusement park. I'd like it if they ripped up every inch of pavement and gave it back to the Miwok.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Part time only employment.

Brought to you via Obamacare.

But Barry and his allies are willing to shut down the government and create a permanent part time workforce.

e Employer Action Jobs with fewer hours, if specified Date of Action or Report
Alabama Houston County Public Cut hours of part-time employees to fewer than 30 per week Sep-13
California Biola University Private Cut student work hours to a maximum of 25 per week; suspended limit due to employer mandate delay Sep-13
Florida Bealls Inc. (Department Stores) Private Restricted part-time hours to fewer than 30 per week Sep-13
Florida SeaWorld Entertainment Private Cut hours for part-time workers from a maximum of 32 to 28 per week Sep-13
Illinois Palmer Place Restaurant Private Cut hours for some workers below 30 per week Sep-13
Kansas Salina Family YMCA Private Cut part-time employee schedules to a maximum of 25 hours per week 20 Sep-13
New Jersey Middletown Township Public Schools Public Cut hours for paraprofessionals below 30 per week 178 Sep-13
Texas Sam Houston State University Public Limited student work hours to 29 per week, impacting multiple-job holders Sep-13
Michigan Auburn Hills Public Reduced hours for part-time, seasonal workers to fewer than 30 per week Sep-13
Pennsylvania Friendship Community (group home for adults with disabilities) Private Cut part-time hours below 30 per week 20 Sep-13
Michigan Meridian Public Schools Public Cut schedules of hourly workers to fewer than 30 hours per week 15 Sep-13
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Arizona Arizona State University Public Limited course loads for non-tenured associate faculty members Aug-13
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New York Finger Lakes Community College Public Capped course loads for adjunct faculty Aug-13
South Carolina Tsunami Surf Shops Private Will limit workers to fewer than 30 hours per week Aug-13
Illinois Southern Illinois University Public Limited graduate teaching assistants to 20 hours per week Aug-13
Indiana Vincennes Public Cut hours of part-timers to 29 per week Aug-13
California Mexican American Opportunity Foundation Private Cut hours of employees working up to 39 hours a week to less than 30 Aug-13
Georgia Georgia Military College Public Cut hours of adjunct faculty to below 30 per week Aug-13
Illinois Vcm Inc. (Subway franchisee) Private Reduced hours for hourly wage earners to below 30 per week Aug-13
Indiana Ball State University Public Limited work hours for graduate assistants Aug-13
New Jersey Tom's River Public Will cut part-time hours to 25 per week, effective July 2014 Aug-13
North Carolina Forsyth Technical Community College Public Reduced hours for adjunct faculty to below 30 per week Aug-13
North Carolina Wilkes Community College Public Reduced teaching loads for adjunct faculty to below 30 hours per week and had to cut some courses as a result Aug-13
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Texas Dave & Buster's Private Cut hours of some employees to 28 per week Aug-13
Pennsylvania Philadelphia University Private Capped hours for adjunct faculty at fewer than 30 per week, effective 2015 Aug-13
Virginia K-VA-T Food Stores Private Capped hours for part-time employees at under 30 per week Aug-13
Missouri Three Rivers College Public Capped teaching loads for adjunct faculty Aug-13
New Jersey Bergen Community College Public Limited adjunct course loads Aug-13
Alabama University of Alabama Public Capped student work hours at 20 per week Jul-13
Florida Brevard County Public Reducing hours for most of 138 part-time workers who work more than 30 hours per week 37 Jul-13
Florida Buca di Beppo restaurant chain Private Reduced hours to below 30 per week 400 Jul-13
Florida Hillsborough Community College Public Cut hours of some part-time faculty members 100 Jul-13
Florida St. Petersburg College Public Capped courseloads for adjunct facutly to equivalent of 27 hours per week 91 Jul-13
Georgia Cherokee County School Board Public Outsourced custodial services and ground maintenance Jul-13
Indiana Hancock County Public Capped hours for part-time workers at 29 per week Jul-13
Indiana Morgan County Public Cut part-time hours from a maximum of 35 to 28 per week Jul-13
Michigan Central Michigan University Public Limited hours for student workers to 25 per week 140 Jul-13
New Jersey NEMF trucking company Private Cut hours for dock workers and customer service reps from 33 per week to a maximum of 29 400 Jul-13
North Carolina Henderson Public Limited hours part-timers can work to less than 30 per week Jul-13
Ohio White Castle Private Will limit new hires to part-time Jul-13
Oregon Shari's restaurants Private Adding part-time workers, cutting hours for some working more than 30 hours per week Jul-13
Pennsylvania Carnegie Museum Private Reduced hours for some part-time employees below 30 per week 48 Jul-13
Tennessee Oneida Special School District Public Cut most non-certified employees to 29 hours per week, but kept pay the same 65 Jul-13
Tennessee Scott County School System Public Capped hours of new non-certified hires below 30 per week Jul-13
Tennessee Stewart County School System Public Reduced hours for school support staff to 28 per week 120 Jul-13
Texas Jim's Restaurants Private Intends to reduce hours of some workers; put plan on hold due to employer mandate delay Jul-13
Virginia Christoper Savvides restaurant & catering co. Private Stopped hiring full-time and limited part-timers’ hours Jul-13
Wisconsin Minocqua-Hazelhurst-Lake Tomahawk School District Public Capped part-time hours below 30 per week Jul-13
Wisconsin Trig's Supermarkets Private Cut hours for part-time workers below 30 per week. Jul-13
Alabama University of North Alabama Public Capped work hours at 29 per week for student employees Jul-13
California Fatburger Private Cut some workers to sub-30 hours per week Jul-13
Iowa Lee County Public Enforced existing part-time cap of 28 hours per week Jul-13
Michigan Delta County Public Capped part-time hours at 29 per week; made temporary exemption for corrections officers after mandate delay Jul-13
Texas Bee County Public Reduce part-time employee hours to 24 per week. Jul-13
Idaho Boundary County Public Cut hours for part-timers to fewer than 30 per week Jul-13
North Carolina Rutherford County Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 37 to 29 per week Jul-13
Pennsylvania Lawrence County Public Capped part-time hours at 28 per week; later reversed move for deputies Jul-13
Michigan Kenowa Hills Public Schools Public Outsourced school bus transportation, partly to avoid providing health benefits to 30 drivers Jul-13
New Jersey City of Burlington Public Schools Public Outsourced provision of paraprofessionals and substitute teachers Jul-13
Texas Lion & Rose British Restaurant and Pub Private Cut hourly full-time workers' schedules to 28 hours per week Jul-13
Texas MTC Inc. restaurant management Private Shifted to only hiring part-time workers Jul-13
Utah Millard School District Public Cut hours for paraprofessionals from 6 to 5.75 per day 6 Jul-13
Arkansas Pulaski Technical College Public Capped course loads for adjunct faculty Jul-13
California San Diego Community College District Public Restricted student employees and other non-academic workers to no more than 25 hours per week Jul-13
Missouri Drury University Private Limited adjunct course loads Jul-13
Tennessee Cumberland University Private Capped course loads for adjunct faculty at 27 hours per week Jul-13
Arkansas Area Agency on Aging of Western Arkansas, Inc. Private Cut hours for staff of 500 home health aides and drivers to 28 per week Jun-13
Arkansas Wal-Mart Stores Inc. Private Increased temp share of workforce to "fewer than 10%" from 1-2% before this year Jun-13
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California Kern County Public Will limit work schedules for up to 800 extra-help workers or reduce workforce Jun-13
California Rancho Cucamonga Public Cut hours for most part-time workers below 30 per week 30 Jun-13
California San Gabriel Public Reduced hours for part-timers to fewer than 30 per week. Jun-13
Florida Palm Beach State College Public Cut hours for 100 part-timers to 27.5 per week; 895 adjuncts limited to 60% of a full-time course load 200 Jun-13
Florida Santa Fe College Public Capped part-time hours at 27.5 per week and enforced limits on adjunct course loads Jun-13
Florida Tallahassee Community College Public Cut hours of some part-time workers to as low as 24 per week Jun-13
Illinois Parkland College Public Limited hours for part-time, non-teaching employees to 27.5 per week Jun-13
Indiana Clay County Public Capped part-time work at 28 hours per week Jun-13
Indiana DeKalb County Public Limited part-timers to 28 hours per week Jun-13
Indiana Eastbrook Community Schools Public Cut hours for instructional aides to 29.5 per week from between 32.5 and 35. 39 Jun-13
Indiana Floyd County Public Cutting hours for up to 72 part-timers to 28 hours per week Jun-13
Indiana Highland Public Limited hours part-time employees can work to fewer than 30 per week; suspended limit due to employer mandate delay Jun-13
Indiana Indiana University Public Capped hours for part-timers at 29 per week; outsourced 50 maintenance personnel Jun-13
Indiana Ivy Tech Community College Public Limited hours for adjunct faculty at 23 campuses to avoid estimated $10 million in Affordable Care Act costs for those who work 30 or more hours Jun-13
Indiana Kosciusko County Public Capped part-time hours at 25 per week Jun-13
Indiana Lakeview Christian School Private Limited new part-timers to 29 hours per week Jun-13
Indiana Madison Consolidated Schools Public Cut hours for cafeteria workers, instructional aides and bus drivers below 30 per week Jun-13
Indiana Madison-Grant United School Corp. Public Cut hours for non-certified staff from up to 35 hours per week to below 30 Jun-13
Indiana Marshall County Public Cut hours for part-times to 28 per week Jun-13
Indiana Mississinewa Community Schools Public Cut 15 minutes per day for three teacher aides 3 Jun-13
Indiana Perry Central School Corp. Public Cut hours of part-time instructional assistants by 6 per week, with offsetting wage hike Jun-13
Indiana Shelbyville Central School System Public Cut hours instructional aides, substitute teachers, bus drivers and coaches below 30 per week 100 Jun-13
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Indiana Starke County Public Cut hours for part-timers to maximum of 130 per month Jun-13
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Iowa Spencer Community School District Public Reduced hours for some part-timers from 32 to below 30 per week 65 Jun-13
Kentucky Lexington Board of Education Public Cut hours of some part-timers to 28.5 per week, providing offsetting raise 20 Jun-13
Maryland Howard Community College Public Lowered limit on course loads and hours worked for adjunct faculty Jun-13
Michigan Russ' Restaurant Private Cut hours of non-managing employees to maximum of 25 hours per week Jun-13
Missouri Maritz Research Private Cut part-time hours to 25 per week Jun-13
Nebraska Blair Community Schools Public Cut hours for bus drivers and teacher aides to no more than 29 per week Jun-13
Nebraska Plattsmouth Board of Education Public Capped hours of non-certified employees at 29 per week Jun-13
New Jersey Little Falls Board of Education Public Capped hours of paraprofessionals below 30 per week Jun-13
Ohio Lake Township Public Capped part-time hours at 28.8 per week Jun-13
Ohio Lebanon City Public Cut hours of part-time firefighters/paramedics 18 Jun-13
Ohio Mason Public Cut part-time workers to 20 hours per week 200 Jun-13
Ohio Scrambler Marie's Restaurants Private Cut some workers' hours to less than 30 per week Jun-13
Ohio Westlake Public Limit part-timers to 25 hours per week 23 Jun-13
Pennsylvania East Penn School District Public Reduced hours for 11 food service workers to 29.75 per week 11 Jun-13
Pennsylvania Southern Lehigh School District Public Cut hours of 51 part-time employees to under 30 per week 51 Jun-13
Pennsylvania Tredyffrin-Easttown School District Public Cut hours for part-time aides and paraprofessionals to 27.5 per week; suspended cuts due to employer mandate delay 135 Jun-13
South Carolina Kelly Professional Cleaning Services Private ObamaCare employer penalties "will have to be recovered from existing employees in the reduction of hours, wage rates and layoffs" Jun-13
South Carolina Spartanburg Community College Public Cut hours for most adjunct faculty below 30 90 Jun-13
Texas Matagorda County Public Cut hours part-timer can work from 40 per week to 29 Jun-13
Texas Wilson County Public Cut part-timers to a maximum of 29 hours per week Jun-13
Utah Murray School District Public Cut part-time hours to a maximum of 20 per week Jun-13
Utah Nebo School District Public Cut hours for part-timers to 28.75 per week and stop providing insurance for some 40 Jun-13
Virginia Henrico Country School District Public Limit hours for part-timers and temps to 29 per week Jun-13
Virginia Lynchburg Public Cut hours for part-timers from about 32 per week to 28 35 Jun-13
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Indiana Eminence Community Schools Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 29 per week Jun-13
Minnesota Faribault Public Cut hours of employees working 30-to-38 hours per week to 29; temporarily delayed move due to delay of employer mandate 4 Jun-13
Indiana Lafayette School Corp. Public Cut part-time hours below 30 per week 235 Jun-13
Indiana Martin County Public Capped part-time hours at 28 per week Jun-13
Michigan Baldwin Public Library Public Capped part-time hours at 28 per week Jun-13
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Virginia Rappahannock Area Community Services Board Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 29 per week 45 Jun-13
Indiana Benton Community Schools Public Cut hours for uninsured part-timers to fewer than 30 per week with offsetting pay hike Jun-13
New Jersey Pompton Lakes Board of Education Public Cut hours for instructional aides below 30 per week, with offsetting pay hike 48 Jun-13
New Jersey Sparta Area Schools Public Cut hours for paraprofessionals below 30 per week; postponed cuts after one-year delay of employer mandate Jun-13
Pennsylvania Brandywine Heights Area School District Public Outsourced instructional aides working 30 hours per week Jun-13
Utah Southern Utah Unversity Public Limited hourly workers, including students, to 20 hours per week and capped adjunct teaching loads Jun-13
Arkansas Arkansas State University Public Limited adjunct course loads and reduced hours for part-time employees, including students, to a maximum of 28 per week Jun-13
Texas Texas Christian University Private Reduced hours for adjunct faculty and part-time employees, including students, to fewer than 30 per week Jun-13
Arizona Maricopa Community Colleges Public Reduced hours of 700 adjunct faculty and 600 part-time workers below 30 per week 1300 May-13
Arizona University of Arizona in Tucson Public Limited hours temporary employees may work in a year 500 May-13
California Long Beach Public Reducing hours to 27 per week for up to 200 part-timers May-13
Georgia Circle K Southeast Private Cut hours of some full-time employees below 30 May-13
Illinois College of DuPage Public Cut course loads for some adjunct faculty May-13
Illinois McHenry County College Public Cut course loads for adjunct faculty to 24 hours per week May-13
Indiana Eastern Hancock School Board Public Limit most non-contract employees who worked 30 to 39 hours per week to 29. May-13
Indiana Fayette County School Corp. Public Cut hours for some part-timers to 27.5 per week 90 May-13
Indiana Fort Wayne Community Schools Public Cut hours of part-time teaching aides and cafeteria workers from 30 to 25 per week 610 May-13
Indiana Gibson County Public Cut part-time hours from a maximum of 40 to 23.5 per week May-13
Indiana Greencastle Community Schools Public Cut hours of instructional aides and cafeteria workers to 29.5 per week 54 May-13
Indiana Hancock Madison Shelby Educational Services Public Cut hours for special ed assistants from 35-37.5 per week to 28 48 May-13
Indiana Tipton County Public Cut maximum number of hours to 28 per week from 32 May-13
Indiana Vigo County School Corp. Public Cut hours of non-certified employees below 30 per week, leading to sharp cut-backs in field trips; suspended hour cuts in response to delay of employer mandate May-13
Indiana White River Valley School District Public Cut hours of non-certified employees from 30 to 29 per week 11 May-13
Indiana Zionsville Community Schools Public Cut hours for instructional aides, coaches, and substitutes to a maximum of 29 per week 100 May-13
Iowa Indianola Community School District Public Part-time hours cut for up to 125 below 30 per week May-13
Iowa Tama County Public Cut hours for part-time employees to less than 30 per week May-13
Kansas Kansas Turnpike Authority Public Toll collectors limited to 24 hours per week; up to 93 will see hours cut May-13
Maryland Republic Foods (Burger King franchise operator) Private All new hires capped at 29 hours per week May-13
Michigan Birmingham Public Cut seasonal employee hours below average of 30 per week May-13
Michigan Dearborn Public Capped hours of part-time and seasonal employees at average of 28 per week May-13
Michigan Iosco County Public apped hours of part-time employees at 28 per week May-13
Michigan Tuscola County Public Capped part-time hours at less than 30 per week May-13
Nebraska Douglas County West Community Schools Public Cut part-time shifts by about 45 minutes a day 12 May-13
Nebraska Papillion-La Vista school district Public Cut part-time hours below 30 per week 281 May-13
Nebraska Westside Community Schools Public Capped hours of most part-time employees below 30 per week May-13
North Carolina Carlie C’s Private Cut part-time hours below 30 per week for up to 150 workers May-13
Ohio Sinclair Community College Public Reduced hours for part-timers to maximum of 28 per week and cut course loads for adjunct faculty May-13
Ohio Tipp City Public Cut hours for part-timers to fewer than 30 per week 18 May-13
Pennsylvania Ephrata Area School District Public Capped hours of part-time workers below 30 per week. May-13
Texas Dallas County Community College District Public Capped courseloads for 2,500 adjunct faculty members May-13
Texas Plano Public Cut part-time hours below 30 per week 45 May-13
Utah Alpine School District Public Cut part-time hours to a maximum of 27.5 per week, avoiding $4.2 million cost 800 May-13
Utah Deseret Industries (work training for war refugees) Private Cut hours of most workers below 30 per week May-13
Virginia Wise County School Board Public Limit hours for part-time workers to fewer than 30 per week May-13
Wisconsin Mount Horeb Area School District Public Cut paraprofessional hours to 25 per week 36 May-13
California Tehama County Public Limited extra-help employee work hours to fewer than 30 per week May-13
Indiana Crawford County Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 32 to 29 per week May-13
Indiana Vanderburgh County Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 39 to 29 per week May-13
Virginia Campbell County Social Services Dept. Public Cut hours of family educators, companion providers and part-timers to 29 per week May-13
Virginia Dickenson County Public Schools Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 29 per week May-13
Virginia Grayson County Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 28 per week May-13
Virginia Strasburg Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 35 to 29 per week May-13
Virginia Wythe County Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 28 per week May-13
Indiana North Putnam Community Schools Public Cut hours of noncertified employees to a maximum of 29 per week May-13
Indiana Northwestern School Corp. Public Cut hours of instructional assistants to 25 per week 12 May-13
Indiana Taylor Community Schools Public Cut hours of cafeteria workers, custodians and teaching aides to 28 per week 31 May-13
New Jersey Hanover Township Public Cut part-time hours to a maximum of 28 per week; rescinded rule after delay of mandate May-13
New Jersey Middletown Township Public Cut part-time hours to fewer than 30 per week 25 May-13
Utah Cedar City Public Capped hours for part-timers and seasonal workers at 28 per week May-13
Pennsylvania Dallas School District Public Capped hours for teacher aides at fewer than 30 per week May-13
New Mexico New Mexico State University Public Capped graduate-student work hours at 25 per week May-13
Pennsylvania General McLane School District Public Capped part-time hours below 30 per week, affecting secretaries, instructional and library aides, and cafeteria and custodial workers May-13
West Virginia Blue Ridge Community And Technical College Public Capped adjunct teaching loads, limiting work hours to no more than 29 per week May-13
Colorado Fountain Fire Dept. Public Cut hours of part-timers to a maximum of 29 per week 6 May-13
California North of the River Recreation and Park District Public Cut hours for part-time workers below 30 per week 12 Apr-13
Colorado Charco Broiler Private Trimmed work hours to stay below 50 full-time equivalent threshold 3 Apr-13
Colorado Durango Public Limiting part-timers to 27 hours per week to avoid $900,000 in additional health care costs. Apr-13
Colorado Mountain Del (Del Taco franchisee) Private cutting full-time workforce by 100; capping part-timers at 28 hours per week 100 Apr-13
Florida Daytona State College Public Reduced hours for adjunct faculty Apr-13
Illinois Moraine Valley Community College Public Cutting course loads for adjunct faculty Apr-13
Indiana Bartholomew County Public Cut part-time hours to 28 hours per week 40 Apr-13
Indiana Delaware County Public Limited part-time employees to 29 hours per week Apr-13
Indiana Northwestern Consolidated School District Public Cut part-time hours to a maximum of 29 per week 41 Apr-13
Indiana Richland-Bean Blossom Community School Corp. Public Instructional aides limited to 29.5 hours per week Apr-13
Iowa Clear Lake School Board Public Outsourced provision of substitute teachers and paraprofessionals Apr-13
Maryland Ocean City Public Reduced hours for part-time workers to a maximum of 28 per week 40 Apr-13
Michigan Kalamazoo Valley Community College Public Reduced maximum hours for part-time faculty Apr-13
Michigan St. Clair Community College Public Limited hours of adjunct professors and part-time support staff to fewer than 30 per week Apr-13
Missouri Moberly Area Community College Public Reduced number of courses adjunct faculty are eligible to teach. Apr-13
Nebraska Ralston School District Public Cut hours for paraprofessionals to below 30 per week Apr-13
Nebraska Springfield Platteview Community Schools Public Cut 7.5 hour days to less than 6 hours for paraprofessionals 43 Apr-13
New Hampshire Community College System of New Hampshire Public Capped adjunct faculty hours at 27 per week Apr-13
New Jersey Franklin Township Board of Education Public Voted to outsource school aides and child study team services Apr-13
New York Waldbaum's Supermarket Private Cut hours and health care for most full-time employees below 30 per week Apr-13
Ohio Cuyahoga Community College Public Capped hours for 1,559 part-timers at 20 per week Apr-13
Ohio University of Akron Public Cut course loads for part-time faculty 230 Apr-13
Ohio Upper Arlington City School District Public Cutting hours for aides who work with disabled students from 32.5 per week to 28 Apr-13
Pennsylvania Firstaff Nursing Services Inc. Private Plans to cut full-time nurses and nursing assistantsto part-time and hire more part-timers 100 Apr-13
Pennsylvania Lancaster County School District Public Outsourced 100 of classroom aides and food service workers to a private company Apr-13
Pennsylvania Penn Manor School District Public Outsourced 96 special-ed aides plus provision of substitute teachers to a private firm Apr-13
Pennsylvania Susquenita School District Public Cut part-time hours from 30 per week to 29.5 61 Apr-13
Tennessee Regal Entertainment Group Private Operator of 500+ movie theaters cut non-salaried worker hours below 30 per week Apr-13
Utah Brigham Young University Private Capped hours for part-timers, including students, at an average of 29 per week. Apr-13
Virginia Chesterfield Public Schools Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 28 per week 2000 Apr-13
Wisconsin Chippewa County Public Cut part-time hours below 30 per week 15 Apr-13
Virginia Tazewell County Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 32 to 29 per week Apr-13
Indiana Eastern Greene Schools Public Cut hours for hourly employees, such as teaching aides, custodians and bus drivers to a maximum of 28 per week 40 Apr-13
Michigan Portage Public Capped part-time hours at 28 per week Apr-13
Michigan Vassar Public Schools Public Cut hours for food-service workers to maximum of 29 per week Apr-13
Virginia Richmond Public Schools Public Cut part-time hours to a maximum of 28 per week Apr-13
Virgina Spotsylvania County Public Cut hours for part-timers to a maximum of 28 per week 40 Apr-13
Kentucky Joe Bologna's Italian Pizzeria & Restaurant Private Closed for business on Monday, reducing employees to fall below 50 full-time-equivalent threshold Apr-13
New Jersey Clinton-Glen Gardner School District Public Cut hours for paraprofessionals from 35 to 28 per week; in July a judge ordered the board to rescind its action Apr-13
Illinois Elmhurst College Private Cut two courses per semester from maximum adjunct teaching load Apr-13
Ohio Columbus State Community College Public Reduced hours for adjunct faculty and hourly wage earners to fewer than 30 per week Apr-13
Georgia AAA Parking Private Moved half of full-time workers to part-time 250 Mar-13
Illinois Boone Community School District Public Cut hours of part-time employees below 30 per week 30 Mar-13
Illinois Joliet Junior College Public Cut course loads for adjunct faculty Mar-13
Michigan Van Buren Township Public Capped part-time hours at 29 per week Mar-13
Minnesota Mankato Public Limited part-time hours to 29 per week. Mar-13
New York Hudson Valley Community College Public Cut hours of part-time faculty Mar-13
North Carolina Five Guys Burgers and Fries franchise Private Plans to cut hours or positions among 60 workers clocking more than 30 hours per week Mar-13
Ohio Akron Public Limiting part-timers to fewer than 30 hours per week. Mar-13
Ohio Baldwin-Wallace University Private Limited course load of adjunct faculty Mar-13
Ohio Kent State University Public Limited course load of adjunct faculty Mar-13
Ohio Lakeland Community College Public Limited course loads for adjunct faculty Mar-13
Ohio Youngstown City Schools Public Cut part-time and substitute hours to 25 per week Mar-13
Pennsylvania Lori’s Angels home care Private Cut hours of part-time workers to 29.5 and shifted to only hiring part-time Mar-13
Utah Granite School District Public Cut hours for part-time school support staff to below 30 per week 1000 Mar-13
Virginia Chesterfield County Public Cut hours for up to "several hundred" part-timers to 28 per week 115 Mar-13
Virginia Louisa County Public Cut hours for part-time and seasonal employees to 29 per week 140 Mar-13
Ohio Bowling Green State University Public Capped part-time hours at 24 per week and student work hours at 28 Mar-13
Ohio Medina City Schools Public Cut weekly hours for cafeteria workers and teacher aides from 30 to 28.75 per week 16 Mar-13
Pennsylvania Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh Public Capped part-time hours at 29 per week Mar-13
Ohio Fairview Park Public Cut hours of part-time employees to fewer than 30 per week Mar-13
Ohio Shawnee State University Public Reduced maximum teaching load for adjunct faculty Mar-13
Florida Miami Dade College Public Enforcing cap of 25 hours per week for part-time workers Feb-13
Indiana Putnam County Public Cut hours for part-time workers to maximum of 29 per week Feb-13
Nebraska Cutchall Management restaurant company Private Capped new part-time hires at 28 hours per week; lifted cap after delay of employer mandate Feb-13
New Jersey Mount Ephraim Board of Education Public Cut paraprofessionals’ hours from 6 per day to 5.5 Feb-13
New York CY Farms Private Eliminated 20 jobs to stay below 50 full-time-equivalent threshold 20 Feb-13
Ohio Brunswick Public Capped hours for part-time employees at 28 per week and limited length of employment for seasonal workers Feb-13
Ohio Medina Public Cut part-time hours from about 35 to 29 per week 65 Feb-13
Tennessee Wytheville Town Council Public Reduced limit on part-time hours from 39 per week to 28 Feb-13
Virginia Christopher Newport University Public Cut hours for part-timers and adjunct faculty to 29 per week 483 Feb-13
Virginia College of William & Mary Public Cut hours for part-timers and adjunct faculty to 29 per week 331 Feb-13
Virginia Norfolk State University Public Cut hours for part-timers and adjunct faculty to 29 per week 504 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia government (all other departments) Public Cut hours for part-time and hourly wage workers to 29 per week 1,235 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia Commonwealth University Public Cut hours for part-timers and adjunct faculty to 29 per week 883 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia Community College System Public Cut hours for part-timers and adjunct faculty to 29 per week 1,479 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia Dept. of Alcoholic Beverage Control Public Cut hours for part-time and hourly wage workers to 29 per week 605 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia Dept. of Conservation and Recreation Public Cut hours for part-time and hourly wage workers to 29 per week 500 Feb-13
Virginia Virginia Employment Commission Public Cut hours for part-time and hourly wage workers to 29 per week 433 Feb-13
Tennessee Washington County Public Reduced hours for part-timers to fewer than 30 per week Feb-13
Virginia Wytheville Public Lowered cap on part-time hours from 39 to 28 per week Feb-13
Wisconsin Land's End Private Reduced hours for part-timers to a maximum of 29 per week Feb-13
Virginia Dept. of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services Public Cut hours for wage employees to a maximum of 29 per week Feb-13
Virginia Dept. of Motor Vehicles Public Cut hours for wage employees to a maximum of 29 per week Feb-13
Virginia George Mason University Public Cut hourly wage workers, including students and adjuncts, to a maximum of 29 hours per week Feb-13
Virginia James Madison University Public Cut hourly wage workers, including students and adjuncts, to a maximum of 29 hours per week Feb-13
Virginia Longwood University Public Cut hourly wage workers, including students and adjuncts, to a maximum of 29 hours per week Feb-13
Virginia Old Dominion University Public Cut hourly wage workers, including students and some adjuncts, to a maximum of 29 hours per week Feb-13
Virginia Radford University Public Capped teaching loads for adjunct faculty Feb-13
Virginia University of Mary Washington Public Cut hourly wage workers, including students and adjuncts, to a maximum of 29 hours per week Feb-13
Wisconsin Lomira School District Public Reduced hours for classified staff to 29 per week Feb-13
Pennsylvania Lancaster County Public Limited part-time hours to a maximum of 29 per week Feb-13
Utah Utah Valley University Public Limited hourly workers to a maximum of 28 hours per week and capped adjunct teaching loads Feb-13
Georgia Columbus Public Capped hours for part-time and seasonal employees at 29 per week Jan-13
Illinois Illinois Valley Community College Public Capped hours for part-timers at 29 per week Jan-13
Michigan Milford Township Public Cut hours for part-timers to 28 per week Jan-13
Michigan New Baltimore Public Cut hours for part-timers, including police cadets, to 28 per week Jan-13
Nebraska Omega Foods Inc. (Wendy's franchisee) Private Cut hours to 28 per week for non-management 100 Jan-13
Ohio Tallmadge Public Cut hours part-timers can work to 29 per week Jan-13
Oklahoma Treadwell Enterprises (Taco Bell franchise operator) Private Reduced hours for some full-time workers to part-time Jan-13
California Lake County Public Cut hours for extra-help employees to a limit of 25 per week Dec-12
Florida Boca Raton Public Cut hours for part-timers to 25 per week. Dec-12
Illinois Rock Valley College Public Capped hours for part-time workers at 25 per week Dec-12
Maryland Royal Farms convenience stores Private Cut hours for most full-time and part-time workers below 30 per week Dec-12
Ohio Fairlawn Public Lowered limit on part-time hours from 35 per week to less than 30 Dec-12
Maryland Chesapeake College Public Capped adjunct faculty hours at 28 per week Dec-12
Ohio Sugarcreek Township Public Capped hours at 28 per week and eliminated paid time off for part-timers Dec-12
Florida RREMC Restaurants (Denny's franchisee) Private Cut hours for part-time workers to 28 per week Nov-12
Iowa Cedar Falls Public Cut part-time hours from 32 per week to 29 59 Nov-12
Michigan Kga Group (Subway franchisee) Private Part-time hours cut below 30 per week 60 Nov-12
New Jersey Kean University Public Cut adjunct course loads 210 Nov-12
Ohio Stark State College Public Capped hours of adjunct faculty at 29 per week Nov-12
Ohio Youngstown State University Public Capped hours of part-time employees and adjunct faculty Nov-12
Pennsylvania Community College of Allegheny County Public Cut hours for adjunct faculty and other part-time employees 400 Nov-12
Texas Pillar Hotels & Resorts Private Stepped up hiring of part-time workers among its 5,500 employees Nov-12
Georgia PMTD Restaurants LLC (a franchisee of KFC) Private Cutting hours for part-timers working 30 hours or slightly above Oct-12
Illinois Jimmy John's Gourmet Sandwiches Private Cutting hours for part-timers below 30 per week Oct-12
Illinois Plainfield Park District Public Cut work hours to 27 per week for four part-time workers 4 Jun-12
New York Bowlmor Lanes Private Plan to shift some full-time workers to part-time and limit hours to fewer than 30 per week Mar-11
Pennsylvania West Perry School District Public Limit new instructional aides to 27.5 hours per week Jan-11


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CF

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Anybody remember the closure of 1996? All hotels in the park closed, Bracebridge and New Years dinners at the Ahwahnee canceled. They had a special Bracebridge show for all the employees at Curry Village and the jesters wife broke her leg.

AND after all that hardship on the visitors all the NPS employees got back pay!
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
He's been told a dozen times that the employer mandate doesn't kick in till 2015 - but, like a little child, still desperately wants to believe the wingnut gibberish that lies to him about it.

The mandate doesn't kick in until 2015 but a lot of companies are already moving forward with it. My company is starting Oct 1. They are being VERY strict about no part timers working 30 hours or more.
ruppell

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
So, let's say the shutdown happens. Who mans the gates to stop people from entering?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:36pm PT

DOI contingency plans, including NPS, are available here:

http:/www.doi.gov/shutdown/index.cfm


not likely to have the kind of local detail that many folks on here hope to find, though.


another disaster for tuolumne and mariposa counties. first the rim fire and now this. during the last shutdown, mariposa county lost 10k a day in tax revenue from visitors and furloughed residents. that was in 1995.

ruppell

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
klk

I'm getting a 404 from that link. I meant the previous post as a joke but you bring up some valid points about lost revenue. This will most likely not come to that as the fence sitters always seem to get off the fence at the last minute.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
If you look at that list, most of the employers listed are school districts and colleges,

not "evil" corporations that Barry gave a waver altogether to or an extension to 15..
klk

Trad climber
cali
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
ruppell-- it just worked for me again, just clicking the link in the post.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:49pm PT

So, let's say the shutdown happens. Who mans the gates to stop people from entering?

Werner, probably.
Volunteer, most likely.
ruppell

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Werner, probably.

LOL. So they'll clone Werner to be able to handle all four gates. It actually seems like a good idea. He would then find out that not only are Americans stupid but so are the French, South Korean, German, and so on. I'm all for continuing that mans education.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
So they'll clone Werner to be able to handle all four gates.

You think they have only cloned 4 Werners?


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
You think they have only cloned 4 Werners?

There are precisely 47 clones of Werner at last count.
WBraun

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
Just seeeee the gatekeeper clones ......


There's no escape nor entering ......
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
just go thru Foresta and squat in a camp curry rockfall tent,

johnkelley

climber
Anchorage Alaska
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Remember that shutdown in the late 90's? We drove around the road closed sign in RMNP to go ice climbing. The only park employee working that day was the LEO that gave us a ticket.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Why, if the mandate doesn't start till 2015?

Any idea?

We offer medical/dental/vision to part timers. Probably cheaper.

dirtbag

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
There's only one guy threatening a shut down.

Why? Because he refuses to let the country get ass fooked by your extortionist teabagger buddies?

And next month it looks like they they want to risk the full faith and credit of the U.S because extremists like you who are, btw, a minority, cant get their way, possibly sending the country back into a recession.

Fukk you. You and your fellow dipshits are not interested in governing, but creating crises so you can implement your failed and rejected agenda.

Buncha Ayn Rand tit-suckers!

You guys are out to munch but you're holding the country hostage.

Worked well for righties in 94, didn't it, dumb fukk?

THIS is WHY you LOST.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
So, nothing to do w/ACA, just like that list Unhung provided. Got it.

No, they are doing it because of the ACA. Why we are doing it now is what I was speculating about. In fact, we restructured our staffing so we only have a minimum of full timers. Basically, there are positions that you cannot have someone full time that previously you could.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
I hear the NPS is in a panic because they had developed a Werner Drone that used 22 caliber ammo. But now there is a shortage.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Why would they do it this far in advance of the mandate, when the mandate itself has already been pushed back a year?

You say "they are doing it because of the ACA". Anything verifiable you can point to as a reason?

My guess (they don't tell us peons everything:) it is probably saving them money in PT benefits. The intense scrutiny of pt workers going over 30 hours is because of the ACA. Remember the ACA only mandates they provide affordable care to FT associates. So it is a large business' interest to limit the full time employees if possible.

Some locations lost 3-5 full timers. It was tough on everyone involved.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
part time workers!

now THAT has been going on since the start of the Bush Recession in 2007

we have a huge supply of workers and by far not enough jobs for all of them

this situation makes it a strong "Employer" market, workers are desperate for jobs and are willing to work part time as its better than no job at all

in fact, this trend in reducing workers hours has been going on for years now and shows no sign
of letting up as employers figured out long ago that they can pocket more profit that way

all this has nothing to do with the ACA, obviously, and everything to do with shareholder greed

as the Employer Mandate effects only companies with 50 or more workers, we are not talking about struggling small business owners who just can't buy groceries unless they cut hours

yeah, people will always "game the system" to their own personal financial advantage......
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
What I said is I don't know the exact reason (though I am sure my speculation is pretty close to the mark) they are doing it NOW. Our FT benefits already meet the ACA standards. I do know the changes to the FT/PT workforce WERE because of the ACA.

Plus, why does it matter when? Changes to the FT/PT ratio in businesses are happening because of the ACA.

Read the posts without trying to fit them to a political angle. I am not making a judgement about the ACA.

EDIT: Norton is correct, there has been a movement to more and more PT help for quite a while (even before Bush) but I have seen a big change on the monitoring of it (again, in my circumstance) since the ACA.
Ottawa Doug

Social climber
Ottawa, Canada
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Quick, get on a wall with tons of food and water. At least you won't hear the sirens at night and see the traffic coming in from Wawona at all hours of the night.

Caio,
Doug
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
no Ronny,

stating a fact that Bush was President when the country went into recession is not "blame"

it is a statement of fact, or "truth"

no doubt you do not understand the difference
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
I think the real ACA question is: if there are 47 Werner clones, do they all fall under his one plan or do they each need to get there own?
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Answer: It isn't.


whatever
harryhotdog

Social climber
north vancouver, B.C.
Sep 28, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
In 1990 we came down from the RNW of Half Dome to an empty valley in a shut down. Started driving out the valley and noticed there wasn't a single party on the Nose. Realizing we would never get a chance like this again we abandoned our responsibilities back home and had the nose all to ourselves.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Sep 28, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
Harry - was that during the fires? I was "trapped" in the Valley with a bunch of other Curry employees. It was awesome. Did Mr. Natural the first time that week.

Folks were plenty pissed when NPS enforced prohibition.

If you had a sixer you could make some cash :)
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
At long last , Werner in total internal control of YNP:

Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 28, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Republican extortion tactics using the debt ceiling is not principled; it is irresponsible grandstanding that plays to a portion of the public that doesn't understand that raising the debt ceiling is not a move to incur more debt, but is for the purpose of paying existing debt. Regardless of the need to get our fiscal house in order, the US needs to honor existing debts. To dishonor, or default on our debts, is certainly not good governance and is not a principled position. The 2011 debt crisis cost the US approximately 1.3 billion in extra interest payments in 2011 alone, according to the GAO. The increase in debt service costs arose from increased interest rates on US debt because the US credit rating was lowered for the first time in our history.

I am a libertarian by nature, but reason should be the foundation of a libertarians' position. Not honoring our existing debt is irrational and irresponsible. Obama is being he adult in the room by making a stand on ending this form of mismanagement by crisis.

Got a ten day trip to the Valley coming up on the middle of this next month.....I hope.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Sep 29, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
It seems it's possible for a minority party to stop practically any legislation if they choose to obstruct. That defeats democracy and defeats the ability of government to implement policies for the good of all

and it swings both ways. If this becomes the norm, if by some change the GOP gains power, why wouldn't the DEM just stop everything they try to do?

Place nice in the sandbox idiots

Peace

karl
allanc

climber
Oct 1, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
So does anyone know what the shutdown means for those of
us lucky few with residential privileges (Yosemite West)?

I assume I'll be able to drive in.


thanks
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 1, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Yes you (residents and renters)are allowed in.
allanc

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Does this mean they're going to be ticketing cars parked
in all the parking lots?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
"...if by some change the GOP gains power, why wouldn't the DEM just stop everything they try to do?"

That's the usual turnabout perspective on this political dynamic, but the reality is that this works for the Repugs because they have the ability to line up in goose-step formation, while getting the Dems lined up is usually like herding cats. If Dems could get their constituents lined up the same way, this country would be far further down the progressive road.
CF

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
The Yosemite National Park Shutdown is now in day 2. They have shut off Yosemite Valley to all visitors, you will be diverted at El Capitan Crossover. All roads through Yosemite, Hwy 120/140/41/Tioga Pass are open as you can drive through the park. Rangers are manning the gates and they are not charging to drive through. Glacier Point road is closed.

They have closed off more turnouts with cones and signs and no one is supposed to stop, just drive through. The closed turnouts I saw had visitors going around the cones and stopping to enjoy the views. Wonder why folks cant stop in turnouts to enjoy the views and what will a ranger do if he sees a car stopped?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 05:54pm PT

this guy shut the govt down seven times in eight years.

Dems weren't complaining then.
briham89

Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
hmmmmm, since they are making you exit at the el cap turn off, what is stopping us from parking our cars and jumping on el cap?????
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
CF, thanks for the info.
Can you just walk into park via the entrance gates and climb there?
Are they closed parking lots between El Portal and the gates?
allanc

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Looks like a cris-tunity. or is that dang-tunity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_word_for_%22crisis%22
WBraun

climber
Oct 2, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Can you just walk into park via the entrance gates and climb there?

It's closed.

What part of closed do you guys not understand?

If someone gets hurt then you call us for participating in a closure area?

You will will be completely hosed and the fines exorbitant.

No one one likes or wants this total fubar here but we have to live with it.

Resources are at rock bottom minimum to deal with anything.

That's why it's closed .......

Urmas

Social climber
Sierra Eastside
Oct 2, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Great time to do a trade route - no slow parties to pass! Just get dropped off and picked up.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Oct 2, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
TGT.... Tip O'Neal....

No the Dems didn't complain.

The Repubs did.....


In our weak two party system (I really feel its time for a 3rd, and 4th party) this is a tit for tat....

At the core of our "SYSTEM" is the idea of compromise, but the sides are not ready to work this stuff out.

But oh well, close the parks and all the other good stuff.

Might just get the population to wake up and take voting seriously.

As in vote the "incumbents" OUT no matter what party they represent.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
The frequency with which America has previously reached this point betrays another inconvenient truth: the willingness to shut down the federal Leviathan is by no means limited to the advocates of small government. As my colleague Andrew Stiles notes today, during the supposedly bipartisan wonder years of Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill — which are typically rolled out by revisionists to demonstrate what can happen if we all just “work together” — the government shut down no fewer than eight times, mostly at O’Neill’s insistence. Likewise, during Bill Clinton’s eight years in office, which are fondly remembered as a time of solid economic growth and bipartisan achievement, the government was sent home twice — on both occasions after Clinton rejected the budget.

Overall, the statistics might surprise: Of the 17 shutdowns in America’s history, Democrats controlled the House during 15 and had charge of both chambers during eight. Five shutdowns happened under unified government! This makes sense. Government shutdowns are caused by legitimate and welcome disagreement between equal branches. They are certainly more likely to happen in divided government, but it is not a prerequisite.

What stands out here is not the shutdown itself, but the president and Harry Reid’s public refusal even to engage with Republicans.
As Matthews documents, most budget gaps are resolved by the participants’ compromising. The quaint notion that there is no obligation to come to a negotiated agreement because one branch of government “won” would be almost certainly regarded as somewhat odd not only by the architects of America’s constitutional order but by the major players in the previous few decades. Eleven shutdowns ended with a deal, five were resolved with an agreement temporarily to fund the government while debate continued, and one ended with Congress overriding a presidential veto. Stand firm if you want, Mr. President, but the history is against you here.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Oct 2, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
lol tgt.

a conservative republican senator today had this to say, following a meeting with ted cruz in which the other republicans pressed him to explain his exit strategy:

“It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn’t have a strategy – he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was,” said one senator who attended the meeting. “I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch.”

yet another in a series of amazing stories in which conservative rpublicans go public or semi-public with their anger with the cruz wingers and their allies. just a disaster for the gop nationally. good for cruz, in his confederate district. but really bad news nationally and in california.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-colleagues-government-shutdown-97753.html?hp=t1_3
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B Flagstaff
Oct 2, 2013 - 09:42pm PT

Might just get the population to wake up and take voting seriously.

Americans are too lazy to do that

As in vote the "incumbents" OUT no matter what party they represent.

I agree with you 100%
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