Jornet rescued from the Frendo Spur

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jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Otherwise it'll become boring yes

This speaks volumes. If taking a risk makes it non-boring, then rescue yourself.
Brian

climber
California
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
The pitches just below the top of the spur are steeper ice than the famous fin of snow leading up to the Rognon. Wouldn't have wanted approach shoes in the conditions I saw (which, I take it, were pretty typical). I mean, it's low angle ice for ice climbing; but, on the other hand, it's pretty freaking steep ice for "approach-shoeing"!

Glad they are safe. Agree with Donini that people can go for it however they wish, and also that they should not expect or depend on rescues. Also agree that people should try to be "responsible" when their actions might put others at risk (e.g., SAR, though in this case that's not really an issue).
aguacaliente

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
It's very likely (certain?) that Jornet and Forsberg are members of one of the alpine clubs and have rescue insurance.

If you're all het up about the costs why not make it like car insurance? If you get rescued once, your premium goes up.
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2013 - 01:01am PT
As for the cost of rescue in France, it seems to depend on whether or not the PGHM judges your situation to have been life-threatening. If not, then you pay. See, for example, http://www.chamonet.com/events/news/3-400-rescue-bill-for-mont-blanc-mountaineers.html .

It sounds as if the charged and rescued team should have sat tight until they were dying, at which point the same rescue would have been free.
nah000

climber
canuckistan
Sep 10, 2013 - 01:20am PT
jesus.

a few questions that come to mind:

who gets to decide how much is too little?

or is it too little only if you require a rescue?

or is something like house/anderson on the rupal face equally as "irresponsible"?

or is it only okay because in that case after a certain point, there was no chance of rescue?

what i'm taking away from this enlightening discussion: only go light and string yourself out if you can't get rescued.

got it.

thanks supertopo denizens!
Degaine

climber
Sep 10, 2013 - 02:05am PT
rgold,

The rescue from your link happened in Italy (Aosta Valley). The Valdotain SAR function as the article states, charging for a rescue if in a non life threatening situation (does not mean the rescued party has to be injured just that injury or death is a real possibility if not rescued).

There is indeed a current debate in France and in the French Alps especially as to whether or not to charge for "unnecessary rescues," but as of now people who are rescued are not billed.

French Alpine Club (CAF) is not expensive, roughly 25 per year, but only available to members at this price.

This insurance covers rescues in other European countries as well as any treatment or care related to an accident.
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