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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 9, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Put another way: Kilian Jornet and partner should have known better. They were irresponsible.


+1 for HT.


As my buddy Keith used to say: "Oooops, pants DOWN!!"
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 11:27am PT
Your insurance should be invalidated if you pull some prank like that and get caught.
femaleexpat

Mountain climber
Sactown, CA
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
I am not defending Kilian and Emelie by posting a reply.

As an alpine climber/mountaineer/trail-runner, I've done all sorts of risks. I once almost called for rescue but just got lucky that there were volunteers training to be rescuers that day, that I was brought to safety.

Doing adventure in the mountains, we all took risks. There are unknown matters that we just couldn't control such as change of weather in a matter of few hours, or lost control of our footing.

So stop the bashing, I know in our lifetime we had all kinds of good and bad experiences in the mountains, that's why this sports is very fascinating. Otherwise it'll become boring yes.

I do admire Kilian and Emelie's taking risks then calling for rescue and humbling response. They did not let their ego get to them and come back alive to tell their tale.



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
So stop the bashing

Umm, ok, not.
johngenx

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I wonder what the cost of mountain rescues is when examined in terms of all the emergency response that is performed? We respond to car crashes even though 99% are probably avoidable. Should have slowed down on that ice, etc. Firefighters respond to a house fire regardless of the reason the fire started. Again, I'm sure most fires could have been avoided.

We have decided, as a society, to band together and afford people rescue services as part of our infrastructure.

Why? It saves money. Suppose you own a house. Sorry dirtbag climbers, I know you won't identify with this analogy, but bear with me. ;-)

Suppose I want to have the fire department respond in case of a fire. I call up the local fire fighters and arrange to pay for response. But, it's really, really expensive. They have to have all these trucks and people at the ready and on and on. So, I get together with my neighbour to share the cost. Along the way, we finally decide it just makes the most sense for everyone in the town to automatically chip in a few bucks and we can all have fire response. This way we all pay, but the cost is kept very low on a per home basis.

We do this "cost sharing" with all kinds of things. Police, military, roads, water and sewage, and on and on. It makes perfect sense. Yeah, I know it's also called "socialism" and some of you might think it's evil and whatever, but in reality the best nations to live in have a TON of it, and it's what separates those amazing countries from shitholes like Somalia.

"But, he CHOSE to climb that mountain!" Sure. And all those millions of people chose to drive. They chose to live in a house made of wood with electrical wiring. They chose all those things.

When I go out, I really, really, really try to ensure that I won't need a rescue. I plan and carry gear and train and whatever else in order to be self sufficient. It's a big part of the experience to me that we have to solve our own problems. I don't count on SARS. We think "no one will come get us."

I don't like it when guys go out and cut corners and place the ability of SARS to get them as part of their plan. But, that's not enough for me to initiate a plan where rescues are user pay. In the grand scheme of our society, it's still an inconsequential amount of money and I want those services to be there in case, and I plan on it being the absolute last resort, I need them.
Deekaid

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
as per KLK post above a good one by the way, isn't there already a criteria of sorts in place? don't they fine you in Yosemite if you have to be rescued in a storm without the proper gear ?
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
if you wear spandex, then you should be well equipped, jus sayin...
Deekaid

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
you gave me a good chuckle sprock
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
It's good to know that if I slipped and twisted an ankle running up middle pal ill have Supertopo around to sh#t all over me.

If you really think he goes into the mountains thinking "oh ill just hit 911 when it goes south" you need to get off the couch.

I know. Asking a lot.
steve shea

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Maybe they did have rescue insurance. The CAF has been selling it since the 70's. I do not see any bashing. If you are in doubt about your own skills join the new AAC and purchase the rescue insurance. Todd is right. That's one very steep snow ridge and probably pretty hard by this time of the season. A deep six there would put you at the Plan de l'Aiguilles lickedy split.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
There is a simple solution. When you decide to go ultra light and start ruthlessly trimming away all that annoying safety equipment, the first thing you leave behind is your cell phone or radio. Those things weight more than a tooth brush so WTF?

Or is the weight to safety benefit ratio of a insta helicopter and a long line just a little too hard to ignore?

Maybe thomas Humar would know
steve shea

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
Good one heh heh.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
There is a simple solution. When you decide to go ultra light and start ruthlessly trimming away all that annoying safety equipment, the first thing you leave behind is your cell phone or radio. Those things weight more than a tooth brush so WTF?

Could you post this on the Matthew Greene thread? Thanks.
Burch3y

Mountain climber
San Diego
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
If you really think he goes into the mountains thinking "oh ill just hit 911 when it goes south" you need to get off the couch.

Hell, I think "I'll hit 911 when it goes south" when I'm sitting on the couch.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
You know damn well it's your own fault that your dick got caught in the toaster.
Burch3y

Mountain climber
San Diego
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Toaster was wearing short-shorts. I'll take half the blame.

EDIT: I wonder if Kilian took any selfies during the rescue and made a TR?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 9, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
That must be sketchy greasing around up on the Frendo Spur in sneakers eh? Did the guy at least have some sort of crampons?

there are people running around in sneakers up in the mountains all the time. It all depends on judgement of the individual and cutting your options slim can bite anyone on the ass. I'm not dissing radios and cell phones really, just the logic that goes into the planning. I know a guy who turns his avy transciever off when guiding in high hazard. This guarantees he'll avoid entering avy terrain at such times - but at least he's still got his transciever on him for searching.

It sort of sounds like the real problem is the trail runner fans wanting to emulate their hero and making the rather large leap into the alpine. The same general thing happens with climbers like your track suit friends on the eiger. Some friends have a similar tale of some stock brokers who landed by helicopter high on Mt Waddington to either die or live by their wits - thats all they had, other than a basic rock climbing course!

There's only one recourse with those guys.... mock them ruthlessly
steve shea

climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
bingo! once again, natural selection at work
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 9, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
yeah... like none of you dickholes ever took a chance.
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