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Wally52
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Mayfield
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 8, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Let's hear your theories on what's in store for Walt and company.
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Dapper Dan
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Menlo Park
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Skyler ends up killing Jesse.
Still don't know why Walt has a machine gun in the trunk .
BB = best show of all time .
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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End of the season, and end of the series.
First half of Season 5 has been a little slow...still enjoy it greatly, but waiting for some of the 'pop' of earlier seasons.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Walt and Hank are gonna go gay on each other and end up happily married....
HA!
Love that freekin show.
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Awesome show.Can't wait fer more.Walter White as the new Lex Luther!!?? Hmmmm.... If you like this show,check out "Orange is the new Black".Same stylee,almost better.
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Wally52
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Mayfield
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
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I still can't shake the feeling that Gus's past is going to come into play.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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anybody who watches TV is an idiot (to borrow a phrase from one of STs more august members). lol cant you join a bridge club or something? ha
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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HOLY SH#T!!!!! Is all I'm going to say about tonight's episode!
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Fletcher
Trad climber
The great state of advaita
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I'm not predicting. I just like to sit back and be entertained. I would not theat up through season 4, Walt was the kind of character like a Dexter or Tom Ripley. Guys doing really evil things, but somehow, in some twisted way, you still are rooting for them.
In the first half of season 5 Walt turned the corner for me. He started to get really scary and unlikeabe. I am no longer rooting for him.
But this series is really good. I'm sure it will surprise me.
Eric
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Cole
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los angeles
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Hank and Gomie are dead. Nazi's will kidnap Jessie and force him to cook and possibly also Walt's family to force him to cook. Walt get's the m60 to save Jessie from the Nazi's thus proving he really did care.
But that's just so obvious it can't be...
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dave729
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Western America
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Maybe not. Lots of shooting and all that gets hit is that SUV Walt's cuffed
inside. Maybe the DEA SWAT helo shows up in the first minute of next weeks
episode otherwise it looks like curtains for the good guys.
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patrick compton
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van
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Jesse realizes he is a little rat-bitch. He frees Walt and they stop the Nazis from shooting and hold Hank and Gomez hostage.
Skylar and Marie have an affair, put Hank in a ball-gag and make him watch them burn his money.
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mcreel
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Barcelona
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Skylar kills Walt.
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Walt's only escape is to tell all and go into the witness protection program. The last episode segues into the opening credits of "Malcolm in the Middle".....
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fluffy
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Colorado
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^^^^ ha ha good one
but actually they move him to New York and he becomes Tim Watley, D.D.S.
awesome episode last night. Can't even imagine what happens next maybe Skylar and Walt Jr pull up with th M60 and take out the nazis? lol
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patrick compton
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van
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There's no way the nazi's can't kill Hank and Gomie unless they're the worst marksmen in the world. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/?ref_=sr_1 if you're into good tv shows.
Yeah but they already didnt hit them with the high powered rounds ( AA12, AR15) that would go straight through a vehicle, aside from the engine, at that range.
Thinking the 'I love you' foreshadowing exchange between Hank and Marie is a red herring, but I could be wrong.
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Dapper Dan
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Menlo Park
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As soon as you hear the heartfelt exchange between Hank and his wife you knew the Aryans were coming .
Such a good episode . Hank and Gomie go out in a blaze of glory .
Side Note: Why the hell didn't Walt bury his money in more than one spot in the desert ? Seems dumb and un-Walt like to put it all in the same spot...
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TwistedCrank
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Bungwater Hollow, Ida-ho
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Who cares? It's just refreshing to have TV that treats its audience with respect.
I don't watch TV very often, but when I do, I get faced and puke on the couch.
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beaner
Social climber
Maine
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pretty much the only TV show I watch. I caught all but the last season (season 5 part 2 / season 6) on Netflix. I'm watching the last 8 as they air, which forces me to think about what will happen next for a week rather than just move straight on to the next episode.
I kept waiting for Hank's head to explode while he was on the phone with Marie. I think everyone expected him to die, the writers certainly tried hard to make it obvious something bad was going to happen to him -- which now makes me think he might somehow make it out alive (but I don't really see how at this point -- Hank and Gomez are seriously out gunned).
The whole Lydia/Aryan uncle subplot had me thinking that they were going to be on the receiving end of Walt's machine gun shown in the flash forwards. Either to rescue someone or revenge for killing someone (Hank, Skyler, kids, even Jesse) -- kind of trying to undo or make up for the damage he caused. Not sure about the ricin -- maybe for himself after he takes care of whatever he needs the big gun for.
This might be the last TV series I make any kind of effort to watch. I could probably be content to never watch TV again after finishing up such a great series. All my other TV watching consists of 10-15 minutes of channel surfing before I go to sleep. I'm not even sure I get my monies worth out of the $8 I spend on Netflix now that I'm not streaming Breaking Bad anymore.
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Travis Haussener
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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I am really glad they brought the Nazi thing together with Walt. I honestly thought they were showing that Todd stuff in episodes 3 and 4 because they were thinking "spin off".
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:56am PT
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Hate that show. I gave it a try. But it is pretty much just Weeds without the eye candy... where anything that can go wrong will but they still miraculously make squeeze out of it. Same formula, only this time it is dudes doing illegal stuff in their underwear... ENJOY.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Sep 16, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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Damm, sad episode last night . Walt loses it all ...
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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Sep 16, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
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If I was Walt I'd move to Camp Curry... or Lander
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Sep 16, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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I thought Walt, to outrage the DEA, was going to say that Hank (who he falsely named as a partner in his CD confession) had taken off with all
of the cash to live in New-Identity-Land.
Changing Hank in the authorities minds from MIA martyr to a traitor.
Its possible the DEA will find a copy of Walt's CD confession next episode
anyway at either of the houses and come to that conclusion.
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briham89
Big Wall climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 16, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
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Hank and Gomie are dead. Nazi's will kidnap Jessie and force him to cook and possibly also Walt's family to force him to cook. Walt get's the m60 to save Jessie from the Nazi's thus proving he really did care.
But that's just so obvious it can't be...
That's starting to look possible....
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Cole
Trad climber
los angeles
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Sep 16, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Hank and Gomie are dead. Nazi's will kidnap Jessie and force him to cook and possibly also Walt's family to force him to cook. Walt get's the m60 to save Jessie from the Nazi's thus proving he really did care.
But that's just so obvious it can't be...
That's starting to look possible....
I just watched the last episode and, yes, I was actually pretty surprised at how it went down. But now I'm wondering if he doesn't try to save Jesse but instead wants to destroy him completely...
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Sep 16, 2013 - 10:31pm PT
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The ultimate irony would be that Walt loses his family and ends up saving Jesse.
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Degaine
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Sep 17, 2013 - 05:05am PT
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mechrist wrote:
Hate that show. I gave it a try. But it is pretty much just Weeds without the eye candy... where anything that can go wrong will but they still miraculously make squeeze out of it. Same formula, only this time it is dudes doing illegal stuff in their underwear... ENJOY.
I don't hate the show (and haven't seen Weeds), but it definitely jumped the shark a while ago. Too many far-fetched incidents and survivals even for fiction. I thought the premise was good at the start so stuck with the show (for better or worse).
Only two episodes left!
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Cole
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los angeles
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Sep 23, 2013 - 04:40am PT
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Jumped the shark awhile ago, really?? The show just won an Emmy for best drama so I think it's safe to say that your opinion is in the minority on that one.
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Dapper Dan
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Menlo Park
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:32am PT
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Damm , it's on ! Walt is on the move ...
... where does he get the machine gun ?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:57am PT
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I never expected Gretchen and Eliot to come back into the show. Maybe that's who the ricin is for? Or maybe it was just a motivator to get Walt moving...
Hands down the best show on TV.
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Cole
Trad climber
los angeles
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Sep 24, 2013 - 12:50am PT
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That's pretty funny Locker.
I think the Ricin is for Gretchen and what's his name...or it could be for Walt after turning himself in...
Main question in my mind is now what will happen when Jessie and Walt face off. Will they try to kill each other or will they have a "broment" and Walt gives Jesse the location of his cabin with the money so that he can live happily ever after?
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Jon Beck
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Oceanside
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Sep 24, 2013 - 01:13am PT
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It is the only show I watch other than the news. Just started watching this season, I like it. I think part of the appeal is the fact that many people day dream about doing something illegal and lucrative. Hit pay dirt and move on. In hindsight I might have been spared by the fact that chemistry required too much effort for a 20 year old single guy.
Walt hauling that barrel of cash around is so hilarious.
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ec
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ca
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Sep 29, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Source URL: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/vince-gilligan-talks-breaking-bad-638663
'Breaking Bad': Looking Back at a Revealing Interview With Creator Vince Gilligan
7:07 AM PDT 9/29/2013 by Tim Goodman
Listen to the podcast where the showrunner talks to THR's chief television critic about the exact moment Walt became "irredeemable," plenty of behind the scenes stories and the kind of ending that might happen tonight (no spoilers).
Breaking Bad, one of the most acclaimed series of all time and one of my favorite series ever, had just finished its first eight episodes of the final season. Only eight remained. But I was looking for a certain trifecta.
Over the course of a couple of years in San Francisco, I had helped the Arts & Ideas lecture series at the Jewish Community Center bring in Bay Area residents to talk about television and listen to important people who made it. I had already interviewed two of the three that I was most interested in – David Simon, [5]creator of The Wire and Treme. And Matthew Weiner (podcast not available), creator of Mad Men. Gilligan was the third [6]. When he agreed, that was my hoped-for trifecta of television’s best series creators.
I had the pleasure of interviewing Gilligan a couple of years earlier for a podcast [8] at the San Francisco Chronicle, before the start of season three. But this mid-season five on stage interview (and podcast) [6] was more important because more people had finally come around to the dark but brilliant series and it was in the home stretch of having one of the best start-to-finish runs of any show in the history of television.
As we all know, that ends tonight with the series finale of Breaking Bad. On Friday night, I was having a little fun riffing on Twitter about the ending – because there can never be enough Breaking Bad chatter, right? Most of the stuff I either wanted to happen or predicted would happen have come true. Except for one nagging part. I just really believe that Walter Jr. will die. In fact, must die. A sins of the father thing that I’ve been predicting for a couple of seasons now.
I suggested that I could see an ending where both Walter Jr. and Skyler die, leaving baby Holly in the hands of Marie to care for. And I joked, when I interviewed Gilligan live on stage in San Francisco, that just because he’s one of the nicest guys you’ll ever meet in the entertainment business, I still wouldn’t put it past him and his writers to kill off Holly. He laughed. (Of course, I don’t believe in that theory anymore because Gilligan’s long-time girlfriend is named Holly and I just don’t see that happening at all). But that was a fun night. I told Gilligan that my hope was that Walt lives. Gilligan, with a poker face: “Hmmmm. That’s interesting.”
Not only was it a fun, revealing and hopefully insightful night with Gilligan, it was also the night that I became absolutely convinced that Jesse wouldn’t die. I’d thought that for a while – that Jesse would live -- but listening to and parsing Gilligan’s words, I firmed up my belief. (And now that I’ve seen everything but Sunday’s finale, I’ve never felt more strongly about it. Jesse’s suffered enough. Dramatically, killing off Jesse is reductive. Killing Skyler and/or Walter Jr. – much more shocking and unexpected).
And while I’m less sure of another theory – that Walt will take the ricin himself, which I’ve been thinking for a bit – I’ll stick with it.
But the point is, we had a grand old time on Twitter swapping theories and I tweeted out a bunch of quotes from what Gilligan said that night. Like these:
“Come hell or high water, I did NOT want that happening with this show.” – Gilligan on fans saying The X-Files (where he was a writer) stayed on the air too long (he didn’t think so, but learned a valuable internet lesson in that people are savvy about when a show has run out of ideas.).
We both agreed that we liked the finale to The Sopranos, but Gilligan reiterated a big difference between him and Sopranos creator David Chase: “I’m more of a closure guy.” Listen for his reasons why – it’s an interesting take on the act of storytelling.
But that didn’t stop Gilligan from joking about his own idea for an ending: “We’re going to find a different Journey song.”
Two intriguing things that I forgot about that interview (conducted on Nov. 2, 2012), came to mind as I relistened: That, when pressed about going beyond the notion of “breaking bad,” I asked Gilligan when he thought Walt turned evil, But he said he preferred the term “irredeemable” because there’s a lot of baggage with evil. However, his pick for that exact moment was way different than mine (I said when Walt left Jane to die, choking on her own vomit). But he knew the exact moment (and thus episode and season, so I tossed it out for a guessing game among @BastardMachine followers). Not many people got it right. (And, like a lot of things, you can find out the answer by listening).
The other revelation resulted in a face-palm, however, because of what Gilligan said (that got a lot of laughs and applause, but which I glossed over): “I really have my fingers crossed that after Breaking Bad ends, there’ll be a Saul Goodman show.”
Yeah, kinda wish I’d filed that one.
Anyway, tonight the whole thing ends. I can tell you this – listening to the podcast will be enjoyable and hopefully insightful and it won’t ruin anything you’re about to see. It’s a nice little table-setter before saying goodbye.
Email: Tim.Goodman@THR.com
Twitter: @BastardMachine
Links:
[1] http://pinterest.com/pin/create/button/?url=www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/vince-gilligan-talks-breaking-bad-638663&media=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/thumbnail_570x321/2013/07/vince_gilligan_-_h_-_2013.jpg&description='Breaking Bad': Looking Back at a Revealing Interview With Creator Vince Gilligan
[2] http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bads-betsy-brandt-why-637552
[3] http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bad-finale-creator-cast-636660
[4] http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bads-vince-gilligans-detective-636593
[5] http://podcasts.jccsf.org/2011/12/david-simon/
[6] http://podcasts.jccsf.org/2012/11/vince-gilligan/
[7] http://hollywoodreporter.com/video/breaking-bad-5-years-awesome-636463
[8] http://tvtalkmachine.com/OLD/Interview-VinceGilligan-20100311.mp3
[9] http://hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bad-director-walts-suffering-634796
[10] mailto:Tim.Goodman@THR.com
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Relic
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Sep 29, 2013 - 11:51am PT
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As Walt muses to junior while watching Scarface, "everyone dies at the end, it's great!"
He's gonna go out in a blaze of glory, on his own terms.
Will his family survive Walt's incoming war? I doubt it. Aryan's will attack his loved ones I bet.
It's going to be a good one.
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Sep 29, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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quite the phnom... this "breaking bad".
I am amazed at the folks I know that regard it as the "best show" and "really good tv".
A fire chief on set last night said he watched it right before he went to bed then 3 more episodes in the morning. My other friend can't wait to find out what going on and talks about it way too much.
Most of the crew on a tv show I'm working on will talk about it for 20 minutes at a time.
I have no idea, we haven't had a tv in the house since '05.
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Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Sep 29, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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Ya Riley, if you go back and watch all the episodes on netflix or something, you'll understand why we are all so hooked. You missed some amazingly well done parts of the series.
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ec
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ca
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Sep 30, 2013 - 06:57am PT
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'Gotta love the M60 idea...
'loose ends tied...
The End
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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Sep 30, 2013 - 07:47am PT
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I can't remember a better series ending...
But I really can't remember much :-)
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ec
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ca
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Sep 30, 2013 - 09:15am PT
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A Clear Ending to a Mysterious Beginning
By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
Spoiler alert: this article contains plot twists from the finale.
After so many lugubrious turns, “Breaking Bad” came to an end on Sunday on an almost uplifting note.
Walter White died, of course, but first he ran the table of revenge, settling score after score with mathematical precision. He went out with a big finish: his ingeniously rigged machine gun mowed down the entire Aryan Brotherhood gang in a fantastical killing spree that was almost like a scene from a Quentin Tarantino movie. (As bad guys go, the next best thing to a Nazi is a neo-Nazi.)
It was a fitting ending, and predictable in only some ways. Crime didn’t pay and Walter lost just about everything, including his life. But it was also, by the show’s bleak, almost Calvinist standards, a relatively happy ending. It wasn’t, as he so often feared, all for nothing – he found a way to get his money to his children. He also saved Jesse, actually taking a bullet for him by throwing himself on top of the younger man to protect him from the machine gun fire. He even made up with his wife, Skyler.
It was way too late for contrition, but there was a confession and even a kind of deathbed conciliation. Walter for the first time told Skyler the truth about his reason for cooking meth and becoming a drug lord. “I did it for me. I liked it. I was good at it,” he said. “And I was really, I was alive.”
After so many layers of lies, that blunt admission won him at long last the shadow of a loving smile. And that was almost the same look that Walt exchanged with Jesse as the two parted for good, a glint of recognition and farewell.
Then again, the episode began with Walter still alive but already a ghost, walking in and out of secured mansions, public diners and even Skyler’s house undetected, almost as if invisible.
Perhaps the best thing about the finale of “Breaking Bad” is that it actually ended. So many shows, notably “The Sopranos” and “Lost,” have gone dark without anything approaching finality. Here, the writers were so determined to not leave unfinished business that the last episode was called “Felina,” an anagram of finale. And almost every loose end was tied. In some cases, a little too tightly, and in others, not quite as much.
The all-important ricin, like Chekhov’s gun, had to actually be put to use at long last. And it was almost comical that Lydia, so prissy and exacting, was poisoned with a packet of her beloved Stevia sweetener.
In a later scene, the writers underscored the point, showing Lydia in bed, pale and sickly as Walter explains to her over the telephone that he poisoned her drink at the diner. But that was almost overkill: when Lydia tapped the sweetener into her camomile tea, the camera zoomed in on her mug of tea as it clouded up — as ominous as a glass of milk in a Hitchcock movie.
Even the dreamy scene where Jesse, still in shackles in a meth lab, fantasizes that he is in a woodworking shop sanding a beautiful box had a precise antecedent: in an episode when Jesse was in group therapy, he reminisced about the satisfaction he felt in high school of making a perfect box from “Peruvian walnut with inlaid zebrawood.”
When Walt died, it was to the tune of “Baby Blue” by Badfinger, which begins with the words, “Guess I got what I deserve.”
The ending was clear enough; it was the beginning that was left ambiguous.
The finale circled back to Gretchen and Elliott Schwartz, Walt’s former partners at Gray Matter. Walt broke into their mansion and cleverly blackmailed the couple into providing his children with the millions he couldn’t give them directly. And it was a delicious scene: When Elliott fearfully brandished a small blade, Walt said gently, “Elliott if we’re going to go that way, you’ll need a bigger knife.”
But the show never fully spelled out why Walt broke away from Gretchen and Elliott in the first place.
There were hints throughout the series. On several occasions, Walt accused them of cheating him out of his share; that bitterness seemingly helped steer him into his life of crime. But it wasn’t clear that his version was correct — in an episode where they confront each other at a restaurant, Gretchen said that Walt left her without any explanation. And the true story never came out.
“Breaking Bad” brilliantly tracked Walt’s transformation from teacher to criminal mastermind. But it’s still a mystery why that talented chemist turned his back on fame and fortune and became a humble high school chemistry teacher.
That is one secret Walter White took to the grave.
http://tv.nytimes.com/2013/10/01/arts/television/breaking-bad-finale.html?_r=0&pagewanted=print
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Alexey
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San Jose, CA
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Sep 30, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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Going to see finale tonight ( did not read spoiler), really enjoy the show .
Meanwhile last weekend we set up two routes named after the show:
"Breaking Bad 5.11" and "Tuco Salamanca 10+" just across River bolder in YNP
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ec
climber
ca
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Sep 30, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
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Where's "Yo, Bitch!"?
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Sep 30, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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ec, no kidding , "Yo, Bitch!" is coming next, we already spot the line with this name next to "Tuco"
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abrams
Sport climber
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Sep 30, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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I thought our party would never end last night! Replaying select parts
over and over to much applause.
A materpiece!
My baby blue
Did you really think, I'd do you wrong?
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abrams
Sport climber
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Sep 30, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Sep 30, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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So excited to never hear about Breaking Bad again... until they reuse the Weeds formula once more. What will it be next time? A retired Navy Chief with a terminal brain defect who starts importing heroin from Nevadastan to fund climate change deniers... filled with awkward near escapes for seasons?
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 30, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
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Best episode? What do you all think?
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 30, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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Face Off
The episode where Walt blows up Tuco's "office"
The episode where Walt blows up that as#@&%e's car in season 1
Gosh, I don't know, there are so many...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Sep 30, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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Best episode? What do you all think?
The pilot (first episode) really. Beginning and end of the series were by far the best to me -- although I liked it all, the middle couple years sorta dragged on and got away from what made it a cool concept--guy with terminal cancer who had limited time to do what he had--or wanted--to do.
The middle seasons got away from that, but they all their moments--I liked the episode where Jesse shot Gale--sorta of a moral point of no return.
One thing the series never really addressed that a lot of fans were wondering--why did the brilliant, ambitious mastermind "settle" for being a high school teacher (I mean no disrespect to teachers, and was sorta bothered when parts of the show implied that were anything wrong with being a teacher--just that Walter started and ended his life with different aspirations, so what got off track?)
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dirtbag
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Sep 30, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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It was implied that the Schwarzs screwed him over.
The episode where Gale was shot was very good, a dark episode, but it was a dark series overall.
One of my favorite moments was when they broke into the Albuquerque PD evidence compound in season 5 and used that giant magnet to wipe out the hard drive.
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ec
climber
ca
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"Yeah, BITCH! MAGNET! Oh!"
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ec
climber
ca
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Oct 10, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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Wasn't the fact that Walt 'lost' Gretchen to Elliot the reason for Walt leaving the biz?
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Sep 16, 2017 - 03:43pm PT
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My theory is that the wanton lawlessness and moral ambiguity of the characters in the show inspired a rash of two pedophiles in the climbing community of the town in which these fictional characters operated.
But that's just me. I'm just especially good at figuring out the truth from very little information. We humans are cool that way.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Sep 16, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
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Went thru Albuquerque a couple months ago
I knew I should've taken that left turn.
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