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rnevius
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 7, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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Does anybody know who was the first person to use the word "booty" to describe found climbing gear? Climbing is the only place where keeping found gear seems to be an acceptable practice. When was the first time you heard the word?
I first heard "booty" while climbing with a reserved, older fellow when I first started trad climbing. He talked with a soothing voice, and I never heard him raise it. Until...in the middle of a lead he yells down "AHA!!! BOOOOOTYYYY!!!" and proceeded to sing a pirate song for the rest of the pitch.
Booty...is a wonderful thing.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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"AHA!!! BOOOOOTYYYY!!!" and proceeded to sing a pirate song for the rest of the pitch.
I didn't know we ever climbed together, ha ha
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mongrel
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Must have been some other reserved, older fellow. :)
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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It was back in the 70's, my partner dropped his girl. I said "nice booty, mine now".
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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The Booty Rulze as I was taught them about 1982.
#1 Any gear that you leave on a climb due to lack of skill, persistance or sack is booty once you give up on retrieveing it and leave the crag for the day. You get a 12hr reprive if you announce your intentions to recover your gear but you do need to be at the base of the cliff at first light. Get drunk and sleep in will result in your gear becomming booty.
#2. Gear left due to inclemant weather or conditions is booty as a lack of skill was involved in the decisions that you made. You were not fast and strong enough to beat the weather or you made a poor decision regarding the weather or conditions.The mtn beat you and therefore your gear becomes booty.
#3 Any gear left in a rescue or accident resulting in real (not imagined) injury is not booty and shall be left at Rock and snow/IME, the Mountainere etc. to be returned to the proper partys involved. The booty game is supposed to be fun. once someone gets really hurt it is not fun anymore.
#4 If you lose booty do not be a whiny little bitch about it. Asking for your booty to be returned is very bad karma and results in a huge loss of face. If the booty hounds offer to return your lost booty and you accept you lose major face. The proper response is. " No,You keep it, you guys earned it." If they offer to return the booty and you refuse and offer to let them keep the booty and they then, insist that, "No you go ahead and take it back we have pleanty of gear." You may then accept the return of your booty gear. You will still lose some face but not too bad. At this point you need to offer them a libation to ease the shame.
The current trend of not even attempting to recover your own lost gear and headding straight home to whine and cry on the internet demanding the return of your lost booty is absolutly pathetic and shamefull!
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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and Tradmanclimbs nails it!
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whitemeat
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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speaken of booty! If yall want a blue camolot... it be on a detached flake, a very popular route, the flake resembles footware, and it is WAY up there! good luck!
ps: where have you been ryan? it seems you disapeared!
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Trad is Rad
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo California
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I was just about so ask the same, seems as though whitemeat beat me to it.
but seriously where have you been man?
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Reno, Nevada
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That was a great explanation tradman and is some of what led to my nickname, since I was such a booty hound.
You did forget one thing:
#5 It is mandatory once you do retrieve gear that you think might be booty to give the booty call as loud as you can (BOOTY, BOOTY, BOOTY), thus letting everyone in ear shot know the fact that you just got some booty AND giving the previous owners a chance to dispute the claim. (read #3)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Black velvet canyon april 1986. We camped right at the mouth of the canyon at the end of the jeep road back then. There was a stock tank w/ good water 100m from the camping area. Accoustics being the way there are in the caynon word got out that there was fixed friend @ the crux of Triasic Sands. The foot race was on in the morning. We got beat by some cali or maybe Oregon? dirtbags in an old really tiny red Honda civic. They couldn't get it and we were hot on their tails. They did leave a Nice FAT roach behind a hueco crimper on every pitch;) None of us could get the cam free but it was a great climb none the less. That evening back at camp the West coast boys declared their intentions. Back up the next day with the proper wrenches to take those Friends apart and BOOTY :)
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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speaking of booty... someone needs to go up bears reach with the proper accoutrements and score some serious booty right now. damn near a sport climb at the moment.
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Scoring booty is the best, it can turn a good day into a great day :-) The 5 rules of booty above are spot on, although several are lost among many of the younger/internet crowd fer sure. The Booty call is a must!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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The Booty Rulze @ 1982 with Ammons addition is a good list. Haha! Good stuff.
#1. Any gear that you leave on a climb due to lack of skill, persistance or sack is booty once you give up on retrieveing it and leave the crag for the day. You get a 12hr reprive if you announce your intentions to recover your gear but you do need to be at the base of the cliff at first light. Get drunk and sleep in will result in your gear becomming booty.
#2. Gear left due to inclemant weather or conditions is booty as a lack of skill was involved in the decisions that you made. You were not fast and strong enough to beat the weather or you made a poor decision regarding the weather or conditions.The mtn beat you and therefore your gear becomes booty.
#3. Any gear left in a rescue or accident resulting in real (not imagined) injury is not booty and shall be left at Rock and snow/IME, the Mountainere etc. to be returned to the proper partys involved. The booty game is supposed to be fun. once someone gets really hurt it is not fun anymore.
#4. If you lose booty do not be a whiny little bitch about it. Asking for your booty to be returned is very bad karma and results in a huge loss of face. If the booty hounds offer to return your lost booty and you accept you lose major face. The proper response is. " No,You keep it, you guys earned it." If they offer to return the booty and you refuse and offer to let them keep the booty and they then, insist that, "No you go ahead and take it back we have pleanty of gear." You may then accept the return of your booty gear. You will still lose some face but not too bad. At this point you need to offer them a libation to ease the shame.
#5. It is mandatory once you do retrieve gear that you think might be booty to give the booty call as loud as you can (BOOTY, BOOTY, BOOTY), thus letting everyone in ear shot know the fact that you just got some booty AND giving the previous owners a chance to dispute the claim. (read #3)
With the advent of the internet and new climbers who were not initiated into this thought process, it can be difficult to see the wheedling and pleading that occurs online where folks step up to beg for their gear back that they pussed out on.
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rnevius
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
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whitemean and the Hunter! I've actually moved out of SLO. I'm living in Placerville. Been climbing a lot in the South Lake area! Great rock up here. Hoping to head to the Valley in a couple weeks.
Missing SLO!
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rnevius
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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RE: Bear's Reach being a sport climb. Made a pre-sunrise solo assault on it and spent 2 hours on the wall.
Booty recovered: 1 offset stopper, 3 regular BD stoppers, 2 TCU's (one is unusable), and a mangled #3 C4v(unusable).
That's only about 1/3 of what's up there, too...but good luck with the rest of it.
I only placed 4 pieces of my own gear on the whole route (not counting belays). It was that packed with gear. Ridiculous.
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pc
climber
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Sorry but this booty business is bogus...
There should be a place designated at the base or top of each climb where booty is deposited for some reasonable period of time. Gear lost and found.
If it's not recovered in that time, then fine, it's "yours" to keep.
Where else in "society" do folks profit so readily from others' misfortune?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Where else in "society" do folks profit so readily from others' misfortune?
Stockmarket, hospital, lawyers office, car shop, should I continue?
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rnevius
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
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Misfortune? You act like gear getting fixed is something that just happens. It's this same mentality that causes gear to get left in the first place.
It's up to the leader to place gear properly. If a piece walks...it's up to the team to get that piece out. If they give up...
At this point, I don't think it's even appropriate to ask for your gear back. If, however, someone did, I'd likely give it back.
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