Rim Fire, The Beginning


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right there, right then
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Some of the deepest and most profound experiences I've had have been bowhunting, far eclipsing anything from the rather contrived pursuit of climbing.

So screw you negative nellies!

(But actually yes, most hunters do suck.)
Dave Kos

Social climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
I know of two times our f*#king house got shot!

Our house was shot once that I recall and the guy who owned it before us actually was shot himself while in the backyard.

Where I lived in western PA you had to use a shotgun with a slug for deer. It limited the range and helped limit collateral damage.

sandstone conglomerate

sharon conglomerate central
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
This ain't a ted nugent thing. f*#k that dude.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I was raised hunting and fishing and ill die hunting and fishing. I never caused a wildfire, but ive burned thousands of acres.

Trad climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
don't think the beginning matters much.

would we feel better if it'd been lightning?

those lower-drainages are choked with brush and ladder fuels and non-commercial timber. mechanical thinning isn't feasible, and control burns are dicey in that terrain, even if the USFS was fully-funded, and the local congressman, business owners, second home owners, ranchers, SPI, tourists, and climbers wouldn't whine constantly about the smoke.

we were unbelievably lucky. could've easy been lightning and the same result.

if they hadn't held the line on the 25th and 26th, and it had blown up north fork, we could've lost a whole lot of that lower 108 corridor. the best thing about this fire is that it could help to create an environment in which control burning is more accepted (and funded) in the sierras.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Good post Klk.

And yes, there will be some positives come out of this. Slow to realize, but positives.

90% + of the wildfires set by man are accidental. From the hikers that thought they had put the campfire out, to the hunter who thought the same.

Mostly the un familiar to the woods types - that fail to properly clear the "duff" from around a campfire, or they throw dirt on it to bury the fire thinking that will put it out. ( it doesnt it just makes it an oven.)

The Siege of 87, California's greatest fire event on record was all lighting caused. 1200+ fires in one massive system of thunderheads.

For that fire, the crews did EXEMPLARY JOBS for you all.. Everyone in that area should be proud we have those type pf people around. It wasnt just luck that saved more structures than lost. It was some BALLZ UP actions and a crap load of GRUELING work. My old crew the Silver State hotshots are there and have been for a long while. I know THEY want to see this bastard out.

Sep 5, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
I grew up in Iowa & Oregon, hunting doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the lack of regard for personal responsibility.

Always pointing the figure at everyone else: Mexicans, blacks, Muslims... now we're reminded that Californians are on that list, let's jump to another conclusion. Obama, of course, can't forget him.

This is all I need to hear - if one single hunter could say something like this - feel free to copy and paste:

"Hey, I'm a hunter and I'm sorry to hear a hunter caused the Rim Fire. My friends and I try to hunt in a safe and responsible manner. We try to do what we can to make sure all hunters behave this way."

I'd say "Hey, thanks - that's really good to hear. If it were a hiker or climber who started the fire, I'd say the same thing. Since they figured out the fire was human-caused, the same applies to every human being."

I'm better off talking to a rock than someone who doesn't understand the basic concepts of personal responsibility. I don't get it, maybe they didn't teach that to little boys who grew up before me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Man,, i hate to say it but your quite full of yourself. So me as a hunter should APOLOGIZE to YOU? Me who FOUGHT FIRE all over your state. Me who has given support and info here to the efforts of understanding about fires fuels as well as issuing regards to all the affected?? Me who PAID MY DUES times ten, should now apologize because a california hunter accidentally set the woods ablaze?

And if your comparing hunters to Alquay-duh types or mexican gang members well,, yur just off by a landslide.

Howbout this,, ill apologize as a hunter if you apologize for the MASSIVE AMOUNT of California smoke ive inhaled the last two weeks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Maybe you should THANK me for keeping yur asses from burning long ago. When i was DOWN there on fires.;-)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
For the most i catch and release to Chief. But i loves me some yellow perch, bluegill, and crappie as well as smaller bass. I only eat trout off the camp fire.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
What is with you K.. Your like a badger these days.

I dont fly fish Chief.. I spent 10 yrs tournament bass fishin though..Om all about EFFICIENCY..;-)

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Sep 5, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
Thanks klk, I was about to post the same thing!

Pretty much 95%of the time I don't see people back there.

Mountain climber
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:03am PT
I would rather go into the forest and kill the deer Alexey ,this way I know where my food comes from and DMT all hunters I know are not hacks at all.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:10am PT
Cool, tracker todd. Peace.


Kennewick wa
Sep 6, 2013 - 12:13am PT
the carrot screams as loud as the pig, you just haven't learned to hear it.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 01:14am PT
looking Northeast from the "Rim of the World" turnout on Rt. 120 going into the Valley on 9/20

and in the Park, also on Rt. 120, at a place where the fire jumped the road...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:29am PT
Ed,,A perfect picture of a drastically over stocked man made stand that thinned by one of three means. The SDI spacing of those pines should have been about 20 feet minimum.
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