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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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my experience is that their
'big boy' facade is just that.
the stink eye,
the big trucks.
the guns.
the gruff stare.
all a front intended
to paint a handsome picture.
i've gone fist to fist with
stupid f*#k's and when the
sweat hits the brow these
boys are cowards.
im a coward, too.
and i've gotten me asse handed to me more than once.
but these guys, the stupid hick mother f*#kers that
plague my hometown are mere dilutions of real men.
i make a habit of it to call them on their
shite show and once in a while i get sparks
of their display and when we stand face
to face, the fail is not mine.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Taking life is part of being human. Deny it all you want, but you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Squash spiders, poison ants, drive a car, you're killing. Spray wasp spray, mountain bike down a trail, take a fukin walk in the woods, it's the same thing as pulling a trigger..Everything has every bit as much right to be here as any of us do. That's not the truth? Someone shoots a deer, butchers it, tans the hide and eats what remains through a winter, and that's cruel? Again, how do you like your feedlot-raised, hormone-injected cheeseburger?
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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A Forest Service statement gave no details on how the illegal fire in a remote canyon of the Stanislaus National Forest had escaped the hunter's control on Aug. 17. Because of high fire danger across the region, the Forest Service had banned fires outside of developed camping areas more than a week before the fire started.
Perhaps this "discussion" can turn a corner and involve the topic of "banned fires outside of developed camping areas", a very serious issue, instead of a pissing match about hunting/hunters/vegetarians/vegans/ and what they eat?
~peace
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julton
climber
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Focusing on the trigger and looking for blame is a natural human reaction. The forest was primed to burn and if it hadn't been a hunter a couple of weeks ago it would have been someone else or something else before long.
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ruppell
climber
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We are never safe from idiots.
That about sums it up. I know stupid hunters and I know stupid climbers. In this case it happened to be the former.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I thought climber rescues were the highest sort of irresponsibility that taxpayers had to burden?
Silly me.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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They are offered up to Satan, of course. Hunters are evil, drunk people unlike factory farm workers, who are compassionate and kind.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"A broad stroke to paint Hunters into a majority of drunks and poachers."
Well, 'broad strokes' is what we do best here at ST. From Burning Man to Liberals to Conservatives to GunNutz to Christians, you are either in one box or another. 'Cuz black & white is so much easier to understand, and provides so much more argumentative fodder.
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Guernica
climber
right there, right then
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Some of the deepest and most profound experiences I've had have been bowhunting, far eclipsing anything from the rather contrived pursuit of climbing.
So screw you negative nellies!
(But actually yes, most hunters do suck.)
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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don't think the beginning matters much.
would we feel better if it'd been lightning?
those lower-drainages are choked with brush and ladder fuels and non-commercial timber. mechanical thinning isn't feasible, and control burns are dicey in that terrain, even if the USFS was fully-funded, and the local congressman, business owners, second home owners, ranchers, SPI, tourists, and climbers wouldn't whine constantly about the smoke.
we were unbelievably lucky. could've easy been lightning and the same result.
if they hadn't held the line on the 25th and 26th, and it had blown up north fork, we could've lost a whole lot of that lower 108 corridor. the best thing about this fire is that it could help to create an environment in which control burning is more accepted (and funded) in the sierras.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Thanks klk, I was about to post the same thing!
Pretty much 95%of the time I don't see people back there.
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TrackerTodd
Mountain climber
CA
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I would rather go into the forest and kill the deer Alexey ,this way I know where my food comes from and DMT all hunters I know are not hacks at all.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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the carrot screams as loud as the pig, you just haven't learned to hear it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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looking Northeast from the "Rim of the World" turnout on Rt. 120 going into the Valley on 9/20
and in the Park, also on Rt. 120, at a place where the fire jumped the road...
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