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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Well, I disagree. I live in an area where hunting is common. Every hunter I know has a freezer in their garage where the deer goes.

Cheers,
Brandon
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
Most hunters are hacks. They don't eat their kills.

I'd wager good money you are wrong. Now it is a given that few, if any,
utilize their kills as completely as a Native American would have BITD
but that is another story.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
I live in California with 33 million other idiots.

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
I saw Anthony Bourdain eat a warthog rectum that had been just thrown into a fire.



I think Dingus is wrong about "most" but there are far too many poor examples of gun owners.

And Kos is another story (but those Deer Hunter plot summaries were weak sauce).
QITNL

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
If a climber had set this fire, I'd be irate right now. I'd demand that we, as a community, acknowledge a climber was responsible, apologize for his irresponsibility, and demand every member of our community fully understands the consequences of their actions.

I'd scrape off all the BD stickers from my car before I drove through Groveland and I wouldn't be parading my rack around town. I'd stop posting climbing topics on hunting forums.
Norwegian

Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
my experience is that their
'big boy' facade is just that.

the stink eye,
the big trucks.
the guns.
the gruff stare.

all a front intended
to paint a handsome picture.

i've gone fist to fist with
stupid f*#k's and when the
sweat hits the brow these
boys are cowards.

im a coward, too.
and i've gotten me asse handed to me more than once.

but these guys, the stupid hick mother f*#kers that
plague my hometown are mere dilutions of real men.

i make a habit of it to call them on their
shite show and once in a while i get sparks
of their display and when we stand face
to face, the fail is not mine.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Taking life is part of being human. Deny it all you want, but you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Squash spiders, poison ants, drive a car, you're killing. Spray wasp spray, mountain bike down a trail, take a fukin walk in the woods, it's the same thing as pulling a trigger..Everything has every bit as much right to be here as any of us do. That's not the truth? Someone shoots a deer, butchers it, tans the hide and eats what remains through a winter, and that's cruel? Again, how do you like your feedlot-raised, hormone-injected cheeseburger?
Leggs

Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
A Forest Service statement gave no details on how the illegal fire in a remote canyon of the Stanislaus National Forest had escaped the hunter's control on Aug. 17. Because of high fire danger across the region, the Forest Service had banned fires outside of developed camping areas more than a week before the fire started.

Perhaps this "discussion" can turn a corner and involve the topic of "banned fires outside of developed camping areas", a very serious issue, instead of a pissing match about hunting/hunters/vegetarians/vegans/ and what they eat?


~peace
julton

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Focusing on the trigger and looking for blame is a natural human reaction. The forest was primed to burn and if it hadn't been a hunter a couple of weeks ago it would have been someone else or something else before long.
ruppell

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
We are never safe from idiots.

That about sums it up. I know stupid hunters and I know stupid climbers. In this case it happened to be the former.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
I thought climber rescues were the highest sort of irresponsibility that taxpayers had to burden?

Silly me.
QITNL

climber
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
It might be polite to lay off the cheeseburger and grilling jokes, at least out of respect for the ranchers in the area.

Hundreds of California cattle feared hurt, dead as massive Rim Fire scorches region

Cattle ranchers cope with losses from Rim Fire

Some of those cows woke me up many a morning.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
They don't eat their kills.

What do they do with them?
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
They are offered up to Satan, of course. Hunters are evil, drunk people unlike factory farm workers, who are compassionate and kind.
GLillegard

Social climber
Oregon
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
A broad stroke to paint Hunters into a majority of drunks and poachers. If your point of reference is the Eastern Sierra's from Bridgeport north thru the 395 corridor, throughout Ebbets Pass at hwy 4 and the Sonora Pass then yes when deer season opens the hoards from So Cal and the Central Valley descend for their weekend of hunting and the craziness ensues. This is hardly representative of Hunters as a whole. Just another activity pushed to ridiculous extremes by Suburban population pressure.

My experiences in Northern Nevada, Western and Central Oregon , Idaho, and Eastern Washington have been by far more positive in interacting with hunters, and their numbers have by many fold far exceeded anything I have ever seen in the Sierras. They hunt for the challenge and the Meat. It certainly is part of the rural life, so we just end up with another culture clash.


Ignorance or stupidity is not exclusive or excluded from any group. Someone went to the mountains and bad Judgement combined with bad luck made for a disaster. It has happened before and will happen again.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
They are offered up to Satan, of course. Hunters are evil, drunk people unlike factory farm workers, who are compassionate and kind.

That must be why In-N-Out burgers are so tasty.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
A broad stroke to paint Hunters into a majority of drunks and poachers. If your point of reference is the Eastern Sierra's from Bridgeport north thru the 395 corridor, throughout Ebbets Pass at hwy 4 and the Sonora Pass then yes when deer season opens the hoards from So Cal and the Central Valley descend for their weekend of hunting and the craziness ensues. This is hardly representative of Hunters as a whole.

Its a numbers problem you face. Consider hunting within 100 miles of any and I mean any major metropolitan area in the U.S.

I grew up hunting. I went to hunter safety course starting at age 10, when I got my first hunting permit. This was in north western New Jersey. There, its all hunt club stuff. My dad owned land, allowed the Raretin County hunt climb to use it and thus we had access to all the club lands.

This was in 1970 and the flood of idiots from the city, with guns, would commence on opening day. I know of two times our f*#king house got shot!

From there I lived in rural Tennessee. On opening day the flood of morons with guns from Nashville, would commence.

Its the same across the country. The problem is? These city-bred hunters far out number the countrified one. Sure there are 50,000 competent hunters in Montana, or whatever the number is. NYC alone cancels out Montana with thousands of idiots to spare.

Sorry.

No longer my burden, I gave up hunting at 18, or I gave up hunting animals I should say.

DMT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
"A broad stroke to paint Hunters into a majority of drunks and poachers."

Well, 'broad strokes' is what we do best here at ST. From Burning Man to Liberals to Conservatives to GunNutz to Christians, you are either in one box or another. 'Cuz black & white is so much easier to understand, and provides so much more argumentative fodder.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 5, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
Ahem,,, having been in the USFS/LEO field, i had the occasion to do many hunter checks during the seasons in both NV and CA.


By FAR, California had way more incidents of the following, based on my personal experience afield.


Accidental shootings

Waste of game

Hunting wrong areas/zones

Spotlighting

Shooting in congested areas

poaching


LEAVING HOT CAMPFIRES unattended.

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