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hb81
climber
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The only legal hunting allowed at the time the fire started Aug. 17 was archery for bear and deer.
Is that really a thing people do? Wow.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Is that really a thing people do? Wow.
You must be a city dweller.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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The killing is only part of it... the grilling is the real event.
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Bad Climber
climber
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I'm all for hunting, but who are these FREAKIN' morons? A huge fire was started in our neck of the woods a couple of years ago by some in-bred dolt deciding that using an electric pipe cutter in high, tinder-dry grass was a good idea. He had a bucket of water nearby in case anything got out of hand. Thousands of scorched acres and many blackened homes later, it was under control. Another moron, this time at the controls of a plane, decided to buzz his buddies place in the mountains int he same area. Long story short: dead pilot, MASSIVE wildfire.
We are never safe from idiots.
BAd
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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I've spent a lot of time back in that part of the Stanislaus alone. I always wave, smile and keep going. Some of those people are f*#king scarey as sh#t. Old meth labs in rusting trailers, hunters giving me the stink eye while armed. Although, this was before the Murphy ranch became Indian land. Never happened upon a grow though.
Too bad, I liked it out there.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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what do you expect from people who kill the animals just for fun..
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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What do you expect?
Indeed.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/nov/18/local/me-cedar18
"Martinez, who works for a home developer, had begged Benitez for leniency, saying that he panicked when he became separated from his companion on a deer hunting trip in the backcountry of northern San Diego County."
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TrackerTodd
Mountain climber
CA
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This is a total bummer, I have seen many campers and hikers building campfires in the back country all too often. Alexey, why do you assume the hunter was just doing this for fun? Every hunter I know hunts to eat not for sport.
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John M
climber
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Turns out the media got it wrong. The person was "hunting" for a new climbing area.
Those damn climbers. Always screwing things up for everyone else.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Todd, I never hunted, and honestly know very little about this.
But assume that the time where people hunting for food is over.
I am talking about hunters for whom hunting is hobby, not profession. And I am guessing that main goal is not to bring meat home for hungry family , but successfully chase and kill wild animal.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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You eat meat, you can't disparage hunters. Hypocrisy at it's best. Any hunter worth his salt eats what he kills. Drive a car down the road squashing insects as you proclaim vegetarianism, mow your lawn chopping its denizens to pieces, there is no escaping the act of taking life, at least in this existence.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Alexey, many people where I live hunt, and they all hunt for food, not trophies.
It's reckless behavior to have a fire when you shouldn't.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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I see the difference between the choice : go to store and buy the meat or go to the forest and kill the deer.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Or do neither. Yeah, I know, the bug thing, so what, it's about minimizing your impact on other life.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Unless you're a vegetarian or vegan, you have no grounds for disliking hunting. I don't know anyone who hunts for huntings sake, they hunt for food.
I'm sure there are losers out there who kill just because they can, but I don't see it where I live.
Again, an illegal fire is reckless and inappropriate.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Well, I disagree. I live in an area where hunting is common. Every hunter I know has a freezer in their garage where the deer goes.
Cheers,
Brandon
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Most hunters are hacks. They don't eat their kills.
I'd wager good money you are wrong. Now it is a given that few, if any,
utilize their kills as completely as a Native American would have BITD
but that is another story.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I saw Anthony Bourdain eat a warthog rectum that had been just thrown into a fire.
I think Dingus is wrong about "most" but there are far too many poor examples of gun owners.
And Kos is another story (but those Deer Hunter plot summaries were weak sauce).
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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my experience is that their
'big boy' facade is just that.
the stink eye,
the big trucks.
the guns.
the gruff stare.
all a front intended
to paint a handsome picture.
i've gone fist to fist with
stupid f*#k's and when the
sweat hits the brow these
boys are cowards.
im a coward, too.
and i've gotten me asse handed to me more than once.
but these guys, the stupid hick mother f*#kers that
plague my hometown are mere dilutions of real men.
i make a habit of it to call them on their
shite show and once in a while i get sparks
of their display and when we stand face
to face, the fail is not mine.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Taking life is part of being human. Deny it all you want, but you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. Squash spiders, poison ants, drive a car, you're killing. Spray wasp spray, mountain bike down a trail, take a fukin walk in the woods, it's the same thing as pulling a trigger..Everything has every bit as much right to be here as any of us do. That's not the truth? Someone shoots a deer, butchers it, tans the hide and eats what remains through a winter, and that's cruel? Again, how do you like your feedlot-raised, hormone-injected cheeseburger?
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Leggs
Sport climber
Tucson, AZ
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A Forest Service statement gave no details on how the illegal fire in a remote canyon of the Stanislaus National Forest had escaped the hunter's control on Aug. 17. Because of high fire danger across the region, the Forest Service had banned fires outside of developed camping areas more than a week before the fire started.
Perhaps this "discussion" can turn a corner and involve the topic of "banned fires outside of developed camping areas", a very serious issue, instead of a pissing match about hunting/hunters/vegetarians/vegans/ and what they eat?
~peace
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julton
climber
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Focusing on the trigger and looking for blame is a natural human reaction. The forest was primed to burn and if it hadn't been a hunter a couple of weeks ago it would have been someone else or something else before long.
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ruppell
climber
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We are never safe from idiots.
That about sums it up. I know stupid hunters and I know stupid climbers. In this case it happened to be the former.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I thought climber rescues were the highest sort of irresponsibility that taxpayers had to burden?
Silly me.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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They are offered up to Satan, of course. Hunters are evil, drunk people unlike factory farm workers, who are compassionate and kind.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"A broad stroke to paint Hunters into a majority of drunks and poachers."
Well, 'broad strokes' is what we do best here at ST. From Burning Man to Liberals to Conservatives to GunNutz to Christians, you are either in one box or another. 'Cuz black & white is so much easier to understand, and provides so much more argumentative fodder.
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Guernica
climber
right there, right then
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Some of the deepest and most profound experiences I've had have been bowhunting, far eclipsing anything from the rather contrived pursuit of climbing.
So screw you negative nellies!
(But actually yes, most hunters do suck.)
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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don't think the beginning matters much.
would we feel better if it'd been lightning?
those lower-drainages are choked with brush and ladder fuels and non-commercial timber. mechanical thinning isn't feasible, and control burns are dicey in that terrain, even if the USFS was fully-funded, and the local congressman, business owners, second home owners, ranchers, SPI, tourists, and climbers wouldn't whine constantly about the smoke.
we were unbelievably lucky. could've easy been lightning and the same result.
if they hadn't held the line on the 25th and 26th, and it had blown up north fork, we could've lost a whole lot of that lower 108 corridor. the best thing about this fire is that it could help to create an environment in which control burning is more accepted (and funded) in the sierras.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Thanks klk, I was about to post the same thing!
Pretty much 95%of the time I don't see people back there.
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TrackerTodd
Mountain climber
CA
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I would rather go into the forest and kill the deer Alexey ,this way I know where my food comes from and DMT all hunters I know are not hacks at all.
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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the carrot screams as loud as the pig, you just haven't learned to hear it.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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looking Northeast from the "Rim of the World" turnout on Rt. 120 going into the Valley on 9/20
and in the Park, also on Rt. 120, at a place where the fire jumped the road...
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