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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 30, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
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Who's seen it? Thoughts?
On a related note, tomorrow the slaughter begins again in Taiji.
#thecove
#blackfish
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 30, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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The south park episode about it was pretty funny. Definitely worth a look.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
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how do i find that episode?
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Jim Clipper
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from: forests to tree farms
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Aug 30, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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The episode is called whale whores. Don't know if it is online
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
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Please watch this movie on CNN tonight.
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ydpl8s
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Santa Monica, California
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Oct 25, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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I watched it last night, didn't sleep too well, made me feel dirty to be a human.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Oct 25, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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This is Free Willy Part 3?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
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Free Lolita
Free Tillicum
Shut down SeaWorld
Stop capturing Cetaceans
#thecove #blackfish
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 25, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
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Humans mostly make me sick.
Nature thanks for bring this up even if it makes me sick.
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RRad
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Escondido, CA
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Oct 25, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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While I don't agree with some of the things that Seaworld does, I wanted to point out that closing Seaworld might do more harm than good.
Consider that the Seaworld Conservation fund has donated over 10 million dollars to various conservation projects over the last decade:
http://www.swbg-conservationfund.org/goalsIssues.htm
Also consider that they have a very active sealife rescue operation that has helped +22,000 animals over the years:
http://seaworldparks.com/seaworld-sandiego/Animals/Animal-Rescue?from=Front_Page_Bottom_Promo
Interestingly, Shawn Heinrichs who gives that nice TED talk linked above, is partnered with among others: National Geographic, WildAid, Conservation International and The Nature Conservancy. Well, Seaworld is also partnered with, and has provided some funding for these exact same organizations. So, while Seaworld might look like a circus that to some extent exploit animals, they also do some serious work in endangered species conservation, wildlife rescue and habitat preservation.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
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Edit: RRad - one comment total on this forum? Work for SeaWorld in the PR department? LOL!
There is some validity to your comments.
Zoos, etc. in part came about because we came to the rescue of many animals that were in distress. But if they really cared they would go non-profit - The Monterey Bay Aquarium as an example.
Instead they continue to capture Cetaceans and put them in swimming pools and train them for "our" amusement. I will sacrifice every good they do to put an end to that. Period.
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cliffhanger
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California
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Oct 25, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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Despite some serious problems SeaWorld has done a hugely tremendously good job in promoting good will toward whales and sea mammals in general. And this has saved many many thousands (perhaps millions) of whales and sea mammals. And with Japan, Iceland, and Norway still hunting whales it needs to continue it's fine work but with greater attention to the welfare of it's whales and trainers.
The whales at SeaWorld are ambassadors seeking an end to the slaughter that is still raging in the oceans. Their sacrifices are still needed to help all whales and sea mammals. SeaWorld needs to continue to promote good will toward sea life with it's Orca program.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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I understand that that is the SeaWorld party line. It's about all they have left. After the airing of Blackfish last night on CNN SeaWorld is in a world of hurt.
Simply put Cetaceans should not be in captivity. That's the movement. I'll state again - I don't care what good they do so long as they continue to parade these highly evolved animals out as entertainment.
The killing of thousands and thousands of dolphins in Taiji is the direct result of the demand of the Cetacean entertainment industry.
They can go f*#k themselves and find some other ambassador.
edit: cliffhanger, please don't take that as a personal attack. We all have our opinions and views on subjects like this. That's where I work from.
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Oct 25, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
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Just watched it. I'm surprised CNN took on such an investigative piece. Sea World is starting to look pretty bad - they wouldn't even talk to the movie makers. There must be big bucks at stake here for Sea World to lie in court about their relationship with that Spanish park where that trainer was killed, and for them to be stonewalling as they are.
I think we are seeing a cultural shift. Perhaps humans are shedding some of their self-important arrogance and realizing that maybe we should treat our fellow earthlings with respect. Seriously, I hope this "movement" can eventually put an end to this pracice.
Now, rodeo, well, now that's a different story . . .
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justthemaid
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Jim Henson's Basement
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Oct 26, 2013 - 09:37am PT
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Between this thread and the tuna thread I've had an uplifting morning. Thanks guys! Meh...Humans just suck.
E and I missed the show, but we'll track it down. Uh.. yeah...The era of keeping these sea mammals in captivity really needs to die. Although I agree that shutting down places like Sea World altogether may not be good on some levels...it's simply not necessary to have a live whale there as an "ambassador". These parks can make money without having an enslaved orca performing tricks. They could drain the tanks, put in an IMAX theater showing a film of them in the wild IMO.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 26, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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I have heard the Cove is pretty brutal to watch.
I stopped eating meat a few years ago. I've become too much of a wuss to watch these types of films :(
humans are awful. I can deal with doing away with most of them.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Oct 26, 2013 - 11:09am PT
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Well, if it is any consolation, it is humans who are getting seriously mauled and drowned. They don't call them "killer whales" for nothing. It is just like keeping lions and tigers and grizzlies, sooner or later those instincts will kick in, its inevitible.
It is quite astonishing to see a person being toyed with and worse. Those trainers are completely at the mercy of those killers once they enter the water with them. You are only getting out of that tank if the whale decides to let you. They have absolute control if they want it, once you're in their element.
There is this video out there of a pack of killer whales harassing a mother gray whale and her calf. They just gradually wore them down over a period of like 5 or 6 hours. In the end, they killed the calf, ate its tounge, and left the rest.
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