Mammoth topography in regards to Visions (FindMattGreene)

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tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 30, 2013 - 01:20am PT
I can imagine about being annoyed by noisy campers and wanting to take off somewhere into wilderness asap even if it meant getting up really early... been dragging my sleeping bag into the forest and complete darkness, after being woken up, jumping from rock to rock without flashlight before, from being annoyed like this...these camps are *extremely* noisy and a night in them can be miserable for someone who likes peace out there. Especially if you're solo. Can see someone getting annoyed and deciding to leave really early. Perhaps getting up too early caused him to forget a helmet..

Blue Coulier? There's a Blue Crag above it. About 10 miles from town I think.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 30, 2013 - 01:47am PT
And here's from trip report to Lake Ediza, that's on the map of possible destinations:
"the rocks were covered with many interesting minerals - crystals of clear quartz, brownish colored citrine, and green and blue malachite and azurite."
Azurite crystals are blue.
They mention mining also...there're probably abandoned mines in the area?
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Aug 30, 2013 - 02:09am PT
Blue Coulier?
If you look at the Blue Crag photos I posted up-thread, you see an obvious chute/ coulior on the right side in both photos. I'm guessing that's it (confirm with eastside underground).
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 30, 2013 - 02:18am PT
Here, a blogger identifies Blue Coulier on the left of the Blue Crag (same side?):
http://eastsidescott.blogspot.com/2010/02/weekend-skiing-in-mammoth.html

And here, he talks about Blue Crag Coulier (same?):
http://eastsidescott.blogspot.com/2010/01/blue-crag-area.html
RM217

climber
Aug 30, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
And here's from trip report to Lake Ediza, that's on the map of possible destinations:
"the rocks were covered with many interesting minerals - crystals of clear quartz, brownish colored citrine, and green and blue malachite and azurite."


Interesting! Seems to name the colors in the dreams. (clear/brown/green/blue). Hmmmmm....
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Aug 30, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
I personally wouldn't be looking high, I'd be looking lower. The bottom and mid-section of smaller mountains as opposed to high peaks. He simply made it clear that he would have had a partner if he intended to do a trail or peak of higher difficulty.

I contacted a well known Medium last night and this was his response. This makes me also think looking lower will be fruitful. In my opinion as I've watched this man in action he is the real deal.

"Mathew was mauled by a large animal who dragged his body off of a pathway and into a ravine-esq area. It has been picked over by other predators. As to where I can't pinpoint it but he actually appears to have bled to death. Fortunately he appears to have gone into immediate shock after the attack followed by unconsciousness."



pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Aug 30, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
For those of you who know the area, is there a Snake River near possible sites that Matt climbed?

Also, can anyone search abandoned mines in the areas they are in? I gather there are many. In particular any tourmaline mines?

I understand there is a biking event this wkend at Mammoth Lakes -- can signs be posted to bikers asking for help with the search for Matt?
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:18am PT
Not a vision, but I happened to be in Vons (Mammoth) and I thought about, and imagined him walking thru the isles dressed as in the OP - with helmet etc.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 7, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
Are you seeing photos of Matt places you go? At Vons?
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:55am PT
No. A flyer was up in the post office for a while, but everything gets taken down (by them) once a week or something. I've been to the library in recent days - Starbucks etc, and see nothing.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:51am PT
Can you copy some, download from Find Matthew Greene Facebook page? It is easily accessible.........I guess replacing posters is just part of the whole process of searching for him.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:09am PT
Pacarockhound and Biotch,

I think SplitPants and her husband have been putting up more flyers in and around Mammoth Lakes this weekend. It sounds like a real challenge keeping them up -- I'm sure any help with that is most welcome...
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:15am PT
A direct link to a (PDF) flyer would help. I'll print/ post flyers in town, but am skiddish about going on FB very much.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:58am PT
Biotch, the flyer is below, but Supertopo would only upload a .jpg version. Maybe there's a way to get a higher-resolution version.

Also, here's a link to another version, which lacks the Spanish:
http://socalcrisis.org/findmattgreene

Credit: LAhiker
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Rock Mandala Meditation/Creation on Sept 14, around 7PM in Heritage Park as part of Art & Science Exhibit at Escondido (CA)Art Partnership Gallery. All are welcome-please bring your favorite rocks or stones, feathers, flowers, leaves or other images from nature for a visual/spatial exploration as well as a meditation for sending light and healing energy to loved ones, and lost ones. I will be bringing rocks from Lehigh Valley where Matt and I are both from, as well as Escondido, Murrieta and Hemet CA rocks.
My love to Matt and his family, friends, community on his birthday.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Took my kids up to Horseshoe lake to swim and romp today. Last pic before the battery went dead - Mammoth Crest (Blue Crag on left frame, Crystal Crag on right).
Credit: T H
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 11, 2013 - 01:35am PT
As I was driving home from Hemet this evening I turned on NPR> It was an interview about the color blue! For ten minutes I listened to a discussion of blue, including blue is the color of the sky. (and lakes)
I had enough and changed to a country station, and the song was about the blue sky. Made me think about the dreams, etc. of blue crystals.....also, Matt grew up by the Blue Mountains of PA.

Wondering also if Allison Dubois has been contacted....
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Hey all.

Here is another bit from two mediums that know each other does the geography they mention mean anything to anyone?? Really wish I was familiar with the area!!

V immediately felt that Matt had passed away and that he was yelling for John to help him. She also picked up on Matt saying that he failed and was very angry with himself. She said she felt that he was a perfectionist but made a mistake and was full of anger towards himself. V also said that when the smoke clears from the fires that are going on in the area Matt's location will be revealed. Whether this means cadaver dogs being able to pick up a sent or that he will just be located by chance when the fires are out I'm not sure.

P said that when she heard from V that I was looking for more information on Matt she immediately picked up the name John that she felt was a friend of Matt's and P also kept hearing a man yelling, "I failed! I failed! I failed!" She felt this was Matt yelling and picked up on his anger towards himself.

P strongly believes that Matt traveled east of his campsite and wasn't that far away when he fell. She believes there was no foul play just a simple mistake Matt made while walking across rocks that were slippery which is why he so angry with himself. He is experienced, so how could this happen to him. P explained that she was seeing Matt fall between some rocks and lying on his back looking up at the sky. She said he was able to see the sky through peephole type breaks in the rocks above. P felt he was pretty banged up from the fall but did not succumb to his injuries right away, not that he suffered just that he had time to realize what had happened and become angry. P said Matt was yelling for John hoping that he could somehow help him even though he knew he wasn't nearby.

The number three came up quite a bit as well. She said when she attempted to connect with him he kept holding up three fingers but P dismissed it as him saying he had three siblings. However, she mentioned Matt being upset because he didn't have three things with him that he really needed. She said he was upset that he didn't have his cell phone and that he wasn't sure if he dropped it or lost it when he fell. He also said something about not having his knife with him and that it was silly of him to forget it. The third thing was his ropes, she said he either was having a problem with the ropes he had at the campsite or he left them at the campsite or they weren't the right ropes??

P felt his anger was holding him back from crossing over after he died. He just kept repeating that he failed and this was an unacceptable way to die. P said that his grandmother (mother's mother) was there to comfort him and help guide him to the light to cross over and be at peace. There also was an angelic type of energy with him to help guide him.

P also said that Matt had an urgency about connecting with his Dad, she felt he had a medical condition related to his heart or a previous heart attack that Matt was worried he would have complications with because of all the stress of the situation.

The other connection with the number three P mentioned was Matt showing her three large boulders or mountain tops with the middle of the three being the taller. She said Matt was showing her that his location is between the second and the third one not far from his campsite going east.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 12, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Can this be shared with the climbers, especially the ones looking now?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 12, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Tiffany,

Interesting thoughts from V and P. The emotional part is plausible, but when I look at the topo map, I don't see the features P mentioned close to the campground, I'm not from the area so don't take my word for it.

Also the scale of P's vision isn't very clear -- three mountains? three big rocks? Do you know whether P has a good sense of direction? Maybe we can get Donna from Mammoth over here and she can comment...

Perhaps Matt could have taken one of those Blue Diamond Trails (that we were discussing earlier) that heads briefly east and then bends around toward the west?? Not sure why he would do so, but maybe he was on the way somewhere bigger...

I do find it interesting that several intuitives have the sense that something happened to Matt not far from his campground. In a practical sense, that strikes me as surprising, because Mammoth Lakes sounds very busy and one would think he would have been found by now. But it's certainly possible.

Pacarockhound, many of the climbers are very skeptical of this side of things, but some do check this thread periodically. Tiffany just asked some to comment. I wish the intuitives could come to something more like a consensus...


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