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khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 19, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Just a heads up for those headed to the valley. Caltrans says:

SR 120
[IN THE CENTRAL CALIFORNIA AREA & SIERRA NEVADA]
IS CLOSED FROM THE NORTH JCT OF SR 49 TO 7.5 MI EAST OF GROVELAND
(TUOLUMNE CO) - DUE TO A WILD FIRE - A DETOUR IS AVAILABLE

Inciweb says it's closed from 4 miles east of the ranger danger station to east of Buck Me-adows.

I'd guess the detour is to torture yourself taking Hwy 49 down to Mariposa. Yeah right.

This is almost certainly to move equipment around since the fire should be well away from Hwy 120. Hopefully it's very temporary.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Update: They are evacuating Buck Meadows and 120 is CLOSED to outbound traffic from YNP.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 19, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Aug 19 2013 3:04PM [52] 61-004 FOREST SVC HAS CLOSED SR120 AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THE FIRE HAS JUMPED SR120 JWO BUCK MEADOWS
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:07pm PT

There's a sign on the highway and a plaque at the Rim of the World overlook, naming this section of 120 the "Eva Marie Schicke memorial highway".
This video describes the 2004 accident where she died - the location was close to where the current fire is.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Did this fire start yesterday afternoon. I thought I saw a distinct column of smoke driving out north of town around 2:00 or so. Then I wwnt to where I could take a shot of it and the T clouds swallowed it and I could not see it again.

My eyes may have played tricks with me, but I know a smoke column when I see it.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Well ok then. I was thinking "no way it'll cross the Tuolumne River"...

Now that it's on our side of 120 it's time to be, um, moderately concerned.

Mouse, this started Saturday 3pm ish
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Got turned around there
Fire near Bucks Meadow
Fire near Bucks Meadow
Credit: SCseagoat
8/19/2013 highway 120
8/19/2013 highway 120
Credit: SCseagoat
Monday afternoon hwy 120
Monday afternoon hwy 120
Credit: SCseagoat

Came over Sonora Pass. Currently in Bridgeport

Susan
PopLockeAndDropIt

Gym climber
Hialeah, FLORIDA
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
What's air quality like in the Valley? Meadows? Any impact so far?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 19, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
bummer, dude.



abrams

Sport climber
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Imagine a bunch of that giant mutant manzanita is burning there.
Nearly as bad as the smoke from coastal range fires. Aaaack!

Credit: abrams




khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Just read that "some structures" have been lost. Hoping for the best.
We are about 7 miles away and the wind is taking it away from us.

Winds are generally from the SW so Tuolumne air quality will definitely suffer. Probably not so much the valley.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 19, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
hooch farmers start this one?
QITNL

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Bump since I would have been home a couple of hours earlier tonight had I known. Didn't find out until the Tioga Pass gate, no warnings, nothing on the radio, nada. I opted for SPH 108, it was looking pretty smokey to the south.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Almost 11,000 acres. Hwy 120 is still closed.

Seems like they saved the restaurant, but some structures up Packard Canyon were lost. Main progress on the south side of 120 is up Pilot Ridge to the SE. But I'm guessing this has the potential to continue along 120 and even threaten Evergreen Lodge.

We have friends who live about 1/2 mile from the western edge of the fire at 120/Ferretti Rd. We're hoping they can contain it at least at Ferretti


See http://www.inciweb.org/incident/maps/3660/ for full map
See http://www.inciweb.org/incident/maps/3660/ for full map
Credit: khanom
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:20am PT
October 5, 1988: "Patsy Hamm will always remember the day the Smith Peak Forest Lookout burned to the ground.
The lookout burned Aug. 31, 1987, in the Stanislaus Complex Fires that destroyed 147,095 acres in Tuolumne and Mariposa counties. A wood frame building atop a metal two-story tower, the lookout burned within a couple hours of when Hamm abandoned it about 1 p.m.
Now, rising like a Phoenix out of the ashes, the lookout has been rebuilt and is nearly ready for use again in the Groveland Ranger District of the Stanislaus National Forest." (Merced Sun-Star)

This is the fire I remember. Jeff was photographed as a long-haired evacuee on the porch of the Buck Meadows store and it was published in the local firestarter.

Credit: mouse from merced

Smith Peak:Groveland Ranger District, 3,877' elevation.y 1910, Smith Peak, two miles from the Groveland Ranger Station, was used as a fire lookout. Smith Peak was selected as an administrative site in 1931, and soon after a wooden lookout tower was built. In 1952, a metal lookout tower was constructed, along with a garage. The tower burned down in the 1987 Stanislaus Complex Fire, and was replaced in 1988. Smith Peak is used every summer as one of the two staffed fire lookouts on the Groveland District. Photo: 1943.

Then there was the complex fire which came down to the back doors of El Portal in the next few years.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:22am PT
hooch farmers start this one?
they haven't reported a cause.

Crap. This is the third big fire I can think of at Buck Meadows in the last 20 years or so. Not a good place to put down stakes.

http://www.inciweb.org/incident/3660/
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:26am PT
I wonder if they'll have to cancel Strawberry. Wouldn't be the first time.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:33am PT
man, i hope the moisture beats out the lightning.

wind out of the sw, it could make a long run up the clavey.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2013 - 10:55am PT
hey there say, timid... oops, i just posted about the fire... and now just saw this...

say, where is my brother matt? how is his place, have you heard?
thanks for any info...

will be in a bit, i am late to start chores around here...

god bless... hugs to you and nita...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Neebs the reports say two houses and five out buildings have burned on Packer canyon rd, thus far the only casualties..Structures are threatened along Ferretti road as well.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:20am PT
The MODIS satellite fire mapping data of the Rim Fire
The red squares are areas generating the most heat.
This fire seems to be more active in a SE direction at this time.

Credit: Ward Trotter

The yellow squares at the lower right are Tuolumne Grove ( slightly above the green line) and El Portal (due south)

Here is the Rim Fire in relation to Yosemite Valley.

Credit: Ward Trotter
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:28am PT
i think the spirits want YOS park backfired this year. They seem angry.
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Was stopped at the Crane Flat entrance last night trying to return to the Bay via US 120. Had to go back on 140 through Mariposa to Merced:

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_67b30826-087e-11e3-b6f3-0019bb2963f4.html

Lots of ashes falling down mixed with rain. Lots of strange, powerful winds blowing about in the Merced River Canyon. Pretty big fire. Started smelling it up at Tioga Pass a couple nights back.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
The most recent update of the Rim Fire.
This thing is taking off and has been picking up in a more easterly direction

Credit: Ward Trotter
QITNL

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Crane Flat Webcam:
http://rockyags.cr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/camHist_movie.pl?date=20130820&camera=1_mobile_ynp_1&lastFrame=true

News:
http://wlfhotlist.com/threads/36507-CA-STF-Rim

Discussion:
http://wlfhotlist.com/threads/36502-CA-STF-Rim-Q-amp-D

Map:
http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=63f7b29d4cf94516aa43bef90c27ae51
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
It may be trending SE, but they are now evacuating residents on Clements Rd, which is right near the Pine Mountain Lake Airport and considerably NW of where the perimeter is indicated.

We've had spotter planes circling, and just had a C130 (?) line up right over our place for a drop. Judging from the angle (aka wild guess) they are hitting the area along Ferretti Rd.

Can't see much from here, 'ceptin this:

Maybe cedar siding wasn't such a bright idea...
Maybe cedar siding wasn't such a bright idea...
Credit: khanom


It's frustrating getting incomplete info, and I have half a mind to drive up to some place where we can see what's really going on. We aren't really concerned unless it crosses Smith Station Rd, but from the speed of this thing that's only a wind shift away.


Edit: Can anyone confirm if this has crossed to the west side of Ferretti Rd?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Godspeed, Khanom.

Keeping the fickle fingers crossed it doesn't get to SSR.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
We're going to need a little luck.

The "blow up" I witnessed from here was apparently Pilot Ridge going poof, and there is one report the winds have shifted to the west.

They only update the perimeter info about once a day -- the latest is from 5pm last night. I'm still assuming we are going to be safe, but then I thought that of my friend's place on Ferretti.
QITNL

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Hey khanom - check out the map I linked above. It's kept fairly up to date. The perimeter is still east of Ferretti, but it's getting close, looks like a few hotspots are heating up. Current screenshot:

Credit: QITNL

The ranger station complex and town of Buck Meadows are hanging on the edge. Wishing you the best of luck.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Jeff and Denise live out further than you do by lots. Denise's house, though, is just off Feffetti.

Check in with you tomorrow.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 20, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
anyone with 100 to 200' of clear defensible land around the home will more than likely be saved in any event.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
The 3 pm update.
This thing is still spreading primarily east and southeast.
The separation of the hot zones seems to indicate there are a lot of wind blown embers traveling east and southeast.
In the last few hours this fire seems to have spread out somewhat but has not gotten worse in intensity overall.
Good luck to the firefighters.And to local residents.
Credit: Ward Trotter


khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
QITNL, please don't assume that I'm incapable of using the internets.

I have three different interfaces to that data open on my computer at all times. None of the data is less than 4 hours old, which may seem almost real time until you look behind your house and see it go from one huge column of smoke to four huge columns in the space of two hours.

In any case it's largely irrelevant what is happening right now as obviously we are doing fire prep and working hard to get the house and our belongings ready. There is a very good chance we are fine, but you just never know. Around here structure defense happens in Pine Mountain Lake and us plebes are left on our own. All it takes is one ember.
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 20, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Ward, which website are you going to for that map? It is actually the most updated map I have seen. The Inciweb map is old as is the willandfire.maps.arcgis map.

So far things around here are OK. I live at the Evergreen Lodge and while there is a little bit of smoke in the air, we are not evacuated and I think it is unlikely the fire will make it this far. Regardless, we are prepared to evacuate at a moments notice. San Jose Camp, Camp Tawonga and Camp Mather are currently evacuated.

Let's see how this goes. Good luck on your end Eric.

-Nick
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Nick, I've been thinking of you guys and hoping for the best.

There are numerous interfaces to the data, I find the one at ESRI to be easy to use.

There's also one here:

http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=63f7b29d4cf94516aa43bef90c27ae51
QITNL

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
Sorry, khanom - no offense intended. Just trying to be helpful. Last night all the info I had was "Tioga Road Closed" written in Sharpie on an 8x11 piece of paper. I don't own any property near there but I'm bummed, I really like that area.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
I apologize. I'm antsy. We are 5.4 miles from the western perimeter. If it swings around southwest as some are speculating it's already doing, we could easily have a problem.


Edit: Nick, I just read evac is "advised" for Evergreen.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Ward, which website are you going to for that map?

To get the data I have posted you must have Google Earth.
Although the Active Fire Mapping program can provide data in several ways.

Go to: http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/

On menu at left choose " Fire Data in Google Earth"

Once at that site go down to " AFM KML Bundle" click on" current"

If you have Google Earth these links will allow you to access fire data gathered from the MODIS satellites
http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/about/

I'll get off the thread and allow you locals guys to communicate.
Good luck and stay safe.
Watch for wind blown embers.

WBraun

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Best wishes khanom.

I know your area very well.

I drove by your house a couple of months ago and was tempted to steal a carrot from your field :-)

Anyways I really hope this fire does not go near your area.

I have friends who live there too .....



Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Nick, just texted you. Was hoping to ask you how bad the smoke is over the res and NE of you. Glad it doesn't seem like it will go your way.
Impaler

Social climber
Berkeley
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
Saw this thing starting on Sunday evening while driving back home from Bridgeport. It was already night. Closest thing that I've seen to Mordor in my life. Glad that we got through before the road was closed. Good luck to those near it.
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
Munge, still no cell service up here so no text will arrive. The smoke isn't bad although just in the past hour we have had the wind shift and are getting more smoke now.

So far the fire seems to have stalled today. It exploded over night from 1000 acres to 10,000. Hopefully it sleeps tonight and gives the fire guys some time to get lines arranged.

For us here at the Lodge, this one is still no where near as bad as the one at Early Intake in 2005 or 2006. You couldn't see 100' in front of you and it was raining ash. As the crow flies that one was about 3 miles away.

By contrast this fire is about 6 or 7 miles as the crow flies with plenty of roads and potential fire lines between us and the fire. I am fairly confident the Lodge will be just fine.

Unfortunately it looks like Liliskoog Lodge is having a bad time of it. Don't think it was burned down but the fire went right over the top of it. Keeping my fingers crossed for those folks.

Time to serve dinner to the guests. I'll let you guys know if anything changes later tonight.

-n
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
thx hombre!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:38pm PT

Thanks Strider....


neebee, please read Striders^ above post.....He works at Evergreen Lodge.
QITNL

climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
Pilot's eye video of MAFFS drop from yesterday
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
hey there say, nita.... thanks... i just saw it... i will email him later, i know he knows matt, too...

thanks so much!!!

prayers for all...

edit:
say, strider, please email me, say, '
have you seen matt, give him my message
of love and hugs... and prayers...
god blesss...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Aug 20, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 20, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
hey there say, khanom... i just realized something...

i had an address for you that was not calif...

did you move, or, is this an areas you are in and staying, due to work?
if you move, oh my, hope your place will be okay, :O
hope all is going to be well,for everyone...
very sad the fire got bigger so fast, :O

will be praying for all the folks and fighters...

my brother matt is up, somewhere in the 'them there hills'
of groveland...
and last i heard he was going to evergreen lodge...


ps, for strider:
(heard from our mom, last night... if i hear from you strider,
i will not need to call her, again, tonight)...

JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Hope the farm is ok Khanom, scary, all the best.

Edit, the best to the Evergreen folks, Strider...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
2:22 pm, from the middle of Earth, northeast view.
2:22 pm, from the middle of Earth, northeast view.
Credit: mouse from merced
3:17 pm, downtown Merced, view northeast-ish.
3:17 pm, downtown Merced, view northeast-ish.
Credit: mouse from merced
Very hot in the valley today, like 98, so these may be only cumuli of the normal variety. No guarantees.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Thanks Joey. We are in no immediate danger, but are trying to be prepared. The concern was that the fire would spread west from Pilot ridge. The wind shifted this afternoon and the fire did come west a bit but is still 5 miles from us. Given the slowing in growth (maybe, not much info) I think we're fine. It looked like rain up that way too.

But I'm still worried about Evergreen and folks we know who live east of the fire.


neebee, yeah, you have my Arkansas address. The place here I now own with my girlfriend, so this probably pretty permanent.



Edit: Looking at the MODIS data I'm not sure it has slowed. I based that on news reports and my observation of the amount of smoke. But the satellite info shows hotspots down Pilot Ridge to the west as far as Buck Meadows Road. Hmmm...
TrackerTodd

Mountain climber
CA
Aug 20, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Thx Strider good luck and I love your joint!
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Howdy,

The "recommended evacuation" of Camp Tawonga, Sawmill Mtn rd, Spinning Wheel and Hardin flat rd. turned into a hard evacuation. So far that is all that has changed. On our end of the fire (the opposite side from khanom) which I will call the north-east flank has made a little progress toward us but not much. The south flank of the fire appears to be where the action is. This includes Hardin Flat rd and Pilot Ridge. A lot of hot spots in that direction. I have no real information on the West (Groveland/Ferretti) & Southwest (Smith Station/Greely Hill) flank. Nobody gives a crap about the North flank of the fire since there is nothing there of human importance (although I would HATE to see the forest gone up there, beautiful country).

Evergreen is still open for business but again, we are just awaiting the word to evac. And the decision to stay open has nothing to do with money and everything to do with taking care of our guests and employees who have nowhere else to go. There are ~375 people here tonight and a reactionary evac would serve no useful purpose in my eyes. PLEASE understand, these are my opinions and not that of my employer.

neebee, last I heard (about an hour ago) your brother is safe but Sawmill mtn has been evacuated. The confirmed sighting of him was that he was driving his truck, horse hitched to the back, leaving his house. Safe and sound.

Safe night to everyone.
-n
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 20, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
Wow this beast has expanded in every direction since the last time I looked, especially north and northeast.
It's starting to look real nasty.
Hopefully the weather and suppression efforts can get a handle on this thing tomorrow.


Credit: Ward Trotter
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2013 - 12:40am PT
hey there say, strider/nick... thanks...

i will be praying for all... and the evergreen folks at your
resort place there, too...

wow, sure hope matt's cabin does not burn down, :(


prayers and best wishes for all and safety, as well,
which is top priority...

night now...
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 21, 2013 - 01:31am PT
not much to burn north of the T river is there? i thought that soil was sterilized, looked pretty barren last time i was down there,

south side had plenty of timber,

some kayakers were running the T one year when that big fire came roaring up the canyon, jumped the river, they almost got smoked out,

maybe the fire dept will improve the road to lumsden bridge,



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 21, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Inciweb update last night
Evacuations
Communities along Ferretti Road from Highway 120 to Clements Road, Highway 120 at Cherry Lake Road west to Smith Station, Sawmill and Spinning Wheel campgrounds and Tawonga Camp have been evacuated. Evacuation centers are at the Sonora Fairgrounds and Greeley Hill Community Center.

now at 16000 acres.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Aug 21, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Strider, khanom, and neebee & Matt...I hoping for best outcomes for you.

Keep us posted that you're ok if you can.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:36am PT
hey there say, melissa...

i am going to try to call matt in a few hours, as, it is still early there, however, i'm sure he is up...

will call my folks if i don't get hold of him, just for more info that he may have had, and is getting, as to his area, and he evergreen lodge, area, as well... they said he might? head in that direction, but then
nick may have seen him, as he was moving on elsewhere, too--will find out...

i am just wondering, now, how it is going, just the above post on
that it is spreading northeast, now...

prayers, for all, and for safety of firefighters...
thanks for sharing, melissa...

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Aug 21, 2013 - 10:45am PT
Anyone know if it will be open by Friday evening? Or is 108 the only way to the east side?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:12am PT
It wont be,, more than likely..
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:15am PT
The Rim Fire is looking a lot better today. Some of the hot areas are showing a downgrade to cooler, less active orange and yellow.
The overall area has not expanded that rapidly .
Looks better than late yesterday, at least form a few hundred miles up.
Lets hope it stays on a downward trend.
Credit: Ward Trotter
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:16am PT
They always look better in the am. Peak burning time is around 2:00 pm.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:19am PT
Anyone know if it will be open by Friday evening? Or is 108 the only way to the east side?
Vitaliy,
Another option is 140 to the Valley, then 120 to Crane Flat and over Tioga.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Clint, even though that IS an option, it is not faster than 108 right?

Hope that fire quits resisting. For sake of people in the area and my selfish plans...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 11:26am PT
They always look better in the am. Peak burning time is around 2:00 pm.

True. But it's my guess, baring unlucky shifting factors, that they're getting a handle on this demon.
We'll know by late this afternoon whether it is going to lay down or not. At least for the near term.

Btw this thing looked somewhat worse in the earlier AM, about 12 hrs ago:

Credit: Ward Trotter

Again,".. at least from a few hundred miles up."

Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 21, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
108 is definitely faster than going thru the Meadows with all the redirected traffic.

John M

climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
No word form Khanom today. I hope he isn't having to pack.

The webcams are showing the smoke.

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/sierralookouts.htm

Second cam down.

Credit: John M
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 21, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
Still here. Smoke is a little worse today but it comes and goes.

Here's to hoping for a quiet day.

-n
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
It would seem we are pretty safe over here but we continue doing additional fire prep.

They just issued an "advisory" evacuation order for all of Pine Mountain Lake, but the main spread seems to be SE along 120 and Pilot Ridge and to the north along the Tuolumne River drainage and NW toward the north side of PML.

As far as I know it hasn't yet reached Hardin Flat Rd, but it looks like it will today. I'd guess the chances of 120 opening before next week are slim to none.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 21, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
An Advisory Evacuation for all of Pine Mountain Lake has been issued.
--from InciWeb, over 30 mins. ago.

Jeff and I just talked and Denny's house is OK. Her mom lives just up the hill from there--so they all know about the evacuation advisory--and there were authorities going up and down the streets contacting all residents yesterday.

the Rev said that unless there's a shift in wind, his Camp Runamucka should be safe as rain.

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
I just realized that WunderMap from wunderground.com puts about everything on one page. Well, I guess I knew that but didn't think of it.

http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=37.83240128&lon=-120.07698059&zoom=8&pin=Groveland%2c%20CA

If you add layers for MODIS, rain (ie radar), wind it gives you a lot more perspective on what might happen. Wind direction, etc. And that there is light rain on the NE perimeter.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 21, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
From a local news station a few minutes ago:

Officials with the Rim Fire are advising residents in the Pine Mountain Lake subdivision to evacuate.

Forest Service officials report that the fire has jumped over the containment line. The incident base camp is also in the area.

This is turning into a pretty serious event in this county; we've got lots of friends in the fire area.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 21, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
^VERY bad news!

: /
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 21, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
Bill and Lauren are packing up valuables at the Sunset Inn off Hardin Flat.

Wishing them well.
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Aug 21, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
This was the view from the north end of Midpines as of about a half hour ago. It is starting to pick up again.
Rim Fire
Rim Fire
Credit: Chicken Skinner
Be careful out there people.

Ken
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
hey there say, all...


strider, or khanom, perhaps?

did the fire go through sawmill mt road...
or being i don't know how long it is, did it ever
get into that area... that is where matt had to leave,
so i am just curious how it faired in those areas...

i can find it on a map, but the dial up is so slow, nothing
loads around it, :(
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Neebee, I do not believe it has reached that far.

Right now the focus seems to be on dealing with the containment breach on the west side near PML.


I'm listening to the fire agency scanner and the news is not encouraging. I heard one pilot talking after a drop and saying "...the way this thing is going it's going to be historic for sure."

Huh.


Edit: Evergreen has been evacuated. Best of luck Strider. If you need a place to stay come to the farm -- Jack isn't in the trailer currently and I'm sure he won't mind.
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Well that sucks. Fire jumped cherry lake rd and is on top of Tawonga as we speak. Mandatory evac for all of evergreen rd. find out the next day or so if I have a home.

Updates as I find out more. Chillin in curry parking lot now

-n
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
Some photos I shot today from a great distance of the area of the fire.
2:19 p.m. from G Grade.
2:19 p.m. from G Grade.
Credit: mouse from merced
2:20 p.m.
2:20 p.m.
Credit: mouse from merced
4:00 p.m. from my place.
4:00 p.m. from my place.
Credit: mouse from merced
4:01 p.m.
4:01 p.m.
Credit: mouse from merced
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
It's raging and looks like no end in sight.
http://yubanet.com/fireuploads/1/rim08211400.jpg
Good luck out there...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Brutal....best to all in the fireline.....and my prayers.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
What? me worry?
What? me worry?
Credit: khanom
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Mr K, Having big trees that close to your home is not a good thing.

When the fire storm happened in i989 (?) Foresta fire, Rick Cashner's home did not burn.......He cut down most of the big pines trees that were next his home.

Stay safe...and good luck.
...............................................................
Strider, aka, Saint Nick.... So sorry to hear this terrible news...)-;.....
take care...

damn, all my favorite places threatened ...Tawonga, Evergreen Lodge, and Camp Mather..aka Strawberry.....argg.....

Thinking about all the fire crew ...Hoping for no fatalities...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Nita, they look closer than they are. We have standard clearances.


Still, I'm going to clear some more brush and stuff.
abrams

Sport climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Crane Flat web cam showing smoke. Someone swiveled it around to look west.

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/sierralookouts.htm

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 21, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
Credit: burntcarrot.com
Please protect those delicious root veggies, Khanom!
msiddens

Trad climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
ugh, heart goes out to thre folks impacted here. Hoping for some wins
CF

climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
from hwy 120 this afternoon
Credit: CF
Credit: CF
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
hey there say, khanom... oh my, :O

very sad to hear this... as to the worse and historic...

glad to hear the sawmill mt rd, may be okay then...



oh, my, :O if i was closer, nick, you could stay here,
:(


prayers even harder now, for evergreen, all the folks, and
hope you will be well, and the ranch area, khanom...



say, nick, can you put a taco post up, and let folks here know, that you may need a place to stay??
someone well known by all, nearby, may be able to???
dear lord, please help my friends, :O
i sure do not like that word "historic" :(


you are not forgotten, even if many of us are just not
there to help...

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Anybody need a melon? A really freakin' delicious heirloom melon?

I have 62 lbs of this one and maybe 20lbs of another kind that are essentially compost at this point (I can only eat about 5 a day). I just harvested them but the Groveland Farmer's Market has been cancelled and I doubt many will show up at the farm tomorrow, although we will be open.

Check out these melons!
Check out these melons!
Credit: khanom


Edit: neebee, Nick has many friends in the area and I doubt he's lacking for a place to stay. We've offered what space we have to several people who've evacuated, but so far everyone has been well taken care of.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
hey there say, mouse and all with the neat photo shots...

wow and man oh man, i sure wish those BILLOWS were clouds, to fill with rain and not smoke... oh my...


say--we just got thunder here and are getting a bit of rain...

dear lord, i sure wish and hope rain will move out to you all from
SOMEWHERE.... my mom, also in san jose, got rain last night,
a 'freaky' phenomena' as to aug weather...

she and us all, remember when rain never showed in aug...


wow....
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
raw footage from ktvu:

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/raw-video-dramatic-footage-of-the-out-of-control/v9dK9/
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
^Wow, klk...that is gnarly stuff!!!!!!!!!!!
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
Not a "heartwarming" or "cozy" type of fire, it seems.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
Wow this thing is cranking -- especially towards the NE.

Credit: Ward Trotter
QITNL

climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
This is not good. The hotspots appear to have jumped Ferretti Road on the west and are approaching Hardin Flat Road on the east flank (Berkeley Camp). To the northeast, they're now about halfway to Cherry Lake.

From http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=63f7b29d4cf94516aa43bef90c27ae51

Credit: QITNL
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Aug 21, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
It poured rain on our attempt at Sun Ribbon yesterday and today. Also rained almost the whole way home from Bishop to Topaz.
There was a very healthy south -> north flow of precip with not that much lightning. Is none of that moisture landing on the west side of the crest?

Best to all in or near harms way.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
Not good indeed.

It's moved west and crossed Ferretti Road and there are reports it's got as far as Big Creek Shaft Road. I fear greatly for our friend's place that's right on 120.

All businesses in Groveland have been ordered to close and even though the evac order is still advisory, it looks like it will be mandatory soon enough. There is also talk of evacuating Greeley Hill.

This also means it's closer to us. I told myself that if it got to less than 4 miles I'd start freaking out, and now it's 3.9.

There's no doubt in my mind that this will get to 22,000 acres at the very least by tomorrow, if it isn't already. Probably way more.

Calfire is saying there is a 50/50 chance YNP will close.


bergbryce, whatever precip we've had certainly isn't hitting lower than about 4000 ft. I don't think it's much and is probably gone for a while now.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
2 residences lost on packer canyon rd thus far. Rescources have been scarce, over 150 small fires in the last few days in the west from lightning. MOST have been stopped very small. Heres to the line grunts , the engine pukes, heltiack primaboys and the Air Tanker crews. Hope they get some REST soon. Luck to all down there. Hopefully the burn season will end SOON.!
QITNL

climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
bergbryce - that rain on the eastside has been steady since Sunday. Despite flash flood warnings, it never made it to where it was needed in the west. Moreover there was a ton of lightning earlier in the week, it set off a bunch of fires in Sequoia National Forest, many are still burning as resources are stretched thin.

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sequoia/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5433192

This summer was scary dry from the onset. To everyone in harm's way - especially you, khanom - yeah, best luck. With every post, I hope I imply that.

And those melons look real good. Maybe I can come up and grab one someday when this is finished (though it might be weeks before that section of road reopens, it's gonna be toast).
Greg Barnes

climber
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Bunch of photos (all from the Rim fire):

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/California-on-edge-as-wildfires-spread-4749491.php
10b4me

Ice climber
Wishes-He-Was-In-Arizona
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Tropical depression forming south of Baja, but expected to move north early next week, and settling over SE California Sunday /Monday. Hopefully, some of that moisture moves north.
Enough rainfall is expected in the deserts that they are warning of flash floods.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
from inci-web, updated 35 min ago.






Released: 35 min. ago
An Advisory Evacuation has been issued to the following areas: San Jose Family Camp, Yosemite Riverside Inn, Spinning Wheel, Rainbow Pool, Buck Meadow, Yosimite Vista Estates, Ferretti Rd. to Clements, Camp Mather, Peach Growers Housing Community, Diamond, Aspen Valley, Hetch Hetchy Proper, Camp Tawonga, Berkeley Family Camp, Harden Flat, Naco West, Yosemite Lakes RV Pakrs, Evergreen Lodge, and Pine Mt. Lake.
Evacuations Center is located at Mother Lode Fairgrounds in Sonora.
Contact information:
For evacuation transportation please call 209-532-0404.
Red Cross at Mother Lode Fairgrounds 209-206-1134.
Tuolumne County Healthy Duty Officer 209-533-8055.
For emergency transportation contact Tuolumne County Sherriff at 209-533-5815
UNIT INFORMATION
USFS Shield
Stanislaus National Forest
U.S. Forest Service
posted for Neebs so she doenst have to search.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Check out these melons!
Check out these melons!
Credit: khanom
Maybe donate to the fire crews if you can't sell 'em.
Would be a tasty diversion from the MREs.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 21, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
Such a good idea!
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Ha! My cunning plan nixed.


Apparently you can't just waltz in with refreshments or food. Something about sanitation. WTF? These guys are breathing carcinogenic crap all day and you say my cookies will hurt them? I thought maybe if we set up on 120 with coffee and ice tea etc, and just put up a sign "free food for fire fighters" it would be fine... not so.

Oh my has the world changed...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 21, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
was afraid of that.. NO TRUST these days what so ever.. BUT ill bet ,, if you found an engine crew or other crew along a road, and offered some,, they would nab em like ninjas. (speaking from personal experience)
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 21, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Mr K , Two years ago i volunteered at a fire Evacuations center . We accepted all food donations..Including people bringing in food from their gardens...

Was it just the fire crews that said no? Maybe try the Sonora Fairgrounds were the evacuees will be staying .

Khanom edit... http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/2218666/Evacuees-At-The-Fairgrounds.html
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
Yeah, Nita that was plan B. Will probably get together with some others to see what we can cook up. It wasn't the crews, it was someone from CalFire.

But to be honest we figured the fire fighters could use some good food more than anyone else around here... so far at least there just aren't that many people truly in need. This being the land of vacation homes n' all. And anybody who lives here full time is very well taken care of.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 22, 2013 - 08:02am PT
Wow, it just keeps going NE. Has there been a fire in that canyon ever?

http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=63f7b29d4cf94516aa43bef90c27ae51
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 08:22am PT
The expansion over night has been unbelievable.

53,866 acres

It seems to be very very close to Evergreen. Hoping for the best.
John M

climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 08:54am PT
from 16000 acres to over 53000 acres in one day. whoa..
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:06am PT
I'm surprised Strawberry Music Fest hasn't yet made an announcement to cancel/postpone next week's festival. Even if they get a handle on this fire there will be extensive mop up, road repair, etc.

Still hoping Bill and Lauren Nickell don't lose the Sunset Inn. They had to evac their animals yesterday.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:16am PT
munge,

there were big fires back there in '73 and again in 87. but each had a different coverage area. granite basin burned in '73.


judging from this morning's maps, it burned again yesterday. if it heads up the clavey, there's basically nothing to stop it. the fuel loads back there are insane, and there's no good basing territory for the northern perimeter.



Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:26am PT
I'm trying to understand the map. What do the MODUS-thermal dots mean? Why are there so many outside of what is marked as the "fire perimeter"?
pvalchev

Social climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Does anyone have news on Sawmill Mtn Road/houses there? The map has expanded a bit in that direction.. but still not over it, I don't think? Best of luck to everyone affected!!
RP3

Big Wall climber
Sonora
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:37am PT
The smoke is unbelievable downtown this morning. This pic is from out my front door. Good luck to all those directly affected. Be safe firefighters!
Credit: RP3
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:40am PT
I'm trying to understand the map. What do the MODUS-thermal dots mean? Why are there so many outside of what is marked as the "fire perimeter"?


the map is an approximation of several moments in time that represents heat intensity. you can never see a single fire "line" from above, partly because of the smoke plume but also because a fire like this isn't defined by a single, unified edge.

the fire advances in large part by downdrafts of superheated air and burning material dropping into unburned fuels around the fire's outskirts.

the "line" in many places will be a messy patchwork of burned and unburned fuels, with new fires constantly spring up, some as small as a single manazanita bush, others a few acres, and each of them at some kind of threat for becoming an advance edge of the main body.

since the thing jumped the road, folks have been out there on the ground frickin gunnysacking, trying to extinguish the smaller advance fires.

unreal dangerous. chaotic on the actual ground, with the smoke and terrain. and a fire this large will create its own winds, often unpredictable.

once it jumped the road, there was basically a clear path of heavy fuel to pine mt. lake.

if pine mt. is still there tomorrow morning, it'll be partly because we got really lucky with the winds and weather, and partly because folks on the ground are out there working in hell right now.

WBraun

climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:45am PT
Thanks for that nice explanation on "modus" klk.

All the fire guys next door are all gone and out there so I couldn't ask them as I didn't know what that meant either .....
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:55am PT
re: modis pixels
http://www.geomac.gov/viewer/help/modis_active.html
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:58am PT
Thanks for the explanation and link!

Sending my best wishes to everyone who lives/has property there.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Wow, this thing is really looking mean.
30+ hrs. ago I thought there might be a chance of getting this thing under some control by the weekend. My guess was wrong.
To residents and firefighters--good luck, stay safe, and watch for embers.

Credit: Ward Trotter

In CA and the entire west, firefighting resources are currently stretched thin. I think this is part of the problem here.
crusher

climber
Santa Monica, CA
Aug 22, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Any word on how this started? Inciweb just says "under investigation"...you guys hear anything else?

Stay safe everyone.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 22, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Was talking with a CalFire chief Tues night.
The MODIS imagery is from the 2 MODIS satellites. Shows fire, vegetation, smoke, snow etc.
It's somewhat over sensitive. Can show a few "hotspots" that don't exist. CalFire flies over them in a spotter plane to check.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderate-Resolution_Imaging_Spectroradiometer
I think it makes two passes a day in daylight.

There's also an experimental satellite that shows lightning strikes both cloud to cloud and cloud to earth. CalFire subscribes to that data as well. The Monday night lightning storm here in the SCruz mtns produced a large number of satellite observed "strikes" to ground. CalFire found and extinguished 2 or 3 fires on the ground and then Tues AM overflew this entire area to be sure there was nothing else.

man…this is some NASTY fire.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Spotter on its way into the fight last night around seven p.m.  Flew r...
Spotter on its way into the fight last night around seven p.m. Flew right over me as I was doing my thing in the hills north of Merced.
Credit: mouse from merced
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:44am PT
The latest official report: 8:00 AM
The Rim fire has transitioned into unified command with Cal Fire and Forest Service on August 21 at 2:00 p.m.
Fire continues its eastward spread along Packerd Canyon Road and Pilot Ridge. Structure defense continues for San Jose Camp, Spinning Wheel and Tawonga Camp as the fire moves up the middle fork of the Tuolumne.
The fire continues to spread northwest burning past Butcher Knife Ridge and moving into Grapevine Creek; northeast up the Tuolumne River Drainage from the Gravel Range past Jones Point Lookout; and continue to spread southeast edge along Hwy 120 to the east.
Firing operations have begun on Ferretti Rd. as the fire progress west towards the community of Pine Mountain Lake. Direct suppression methods have been successful.
The availability of fixed wing air craft is pertinent to the success of suppression operations. The use of Maffs C-130s and the V-LAT DC-10 has greatly improved suppression efforts. Use of Military Rotary wing aircraft continues today.
In the next 24 hours the fire is expected to continue up the Tuolumne River canyon, and continue its spread to the north and east.
Due to inaccessible, steep terrain and active fire behavior a combination of direct and indirect attack will be used on this incident. Direct line suppression efforts are impeded by difficult access and steep inaccessible terrain. Active fire behavior today raises safety concerns for crews adjacent to the fire’s edge. Smoke exposure within the deep drainage of the Clavey River will be an issue for fire crews as well.
Not looking good. At least they seem to be holding it at Ferreti Rd. Everything north and east seems at risk.
54,000 acres and 2% containment.
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Not much new info so far. The fire seems to have stayed away from Hardin Flat rd so far. Sawmill was overrun but last I heard only a few out buildings were lost, no mention if homes destroyed. Tawonga was also over run but also no update on structure damage there. Still several miles from evergreen lodge and Mather. Report from a PG&E worker that 40 some odd poles are down so electricity will be a while coming.

neebee, I wish I had more to tell you about Matt but last I heard he was headed out with his horse. The direction he was going has plenty of exit routes so I am sure he is safe.

-n
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
Going to ignore any "no you can't do that" nay-sayers and bring a load of produce to our friends at Casa Loma, who are baking up a storm so we can feed fire personnel. Jack from Mountain Sage Cafe has volunteered ice coffee.

Also, apparently many restaurants in Groveland -are- open now and business is good from news crews, fire people, etc. We're making a deliveries to a couple soon.


Gotta run!
Adamame

climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 22, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Any word on how this started? Inciweb just says "under investigation"...you guys hear anything else?

Based on the fact it started on The Clavey River not far from the confluence with the T, I have friends that suspect it was paddlers who spent the night at Clavey Rapid. That is likely one of the most camped at spots on the river.

But I did hear that it may have started higher on Clavey Ridge, so maybe lightning caused? It could have been smoldering for days or even a week before it went up.
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
view of fire from inside aircraft
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?bctid=2621491748001
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2013 - 01:49pm PT
hey there say, strider... i just got an email from a former supertopo poster... and heard he is with folks in the hardin flat area...

thank you for any and all info, strider...

prayers and love to you all...

oh my... i sure hate what fires do when out of control, :(

wishing and holding out, at the ol' prayer-front-line...
god bless to all...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Strawberry has been cancelled.

Huge number of aircraft around. DC-10 flew low over our property about an hour ago.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
hey there say, ron anderson!! thank you for posting all that info for me...

thank you so very much and kindly!!

god bless...
got to go now... art-painting chores... :)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
hey there say, khanom.... hope all is going well for you...

got to go now... you are in thoughts and prayers, as all are, there...
hope the melons help folks, i mean, my oh my, they are plain ol'
melons... :O :)
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Neebee. Earlier I had thought our friends Bill and Lauren had evacuated from upper end of Hardin Flat but was emailed that they only evacuated their animals and are still there at their B&B, The Sunset Inn.
I hear they have lost power and are on back up generator and the fire is three miles away. Hopefully Matt is close by them. If they have to leave then they and Matt will be driving into Yosemite.
Walleye

climber
The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Photos taken from the East end of Tuolumne Meadows at 2:00pm 8/22/2013
Credit: Walleye
Credit: Walleye
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Oh no! Hope they can save the Penny Pines by Cherry Lk.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
hey there say, timid... i just got back on line, after calling my folks...

they heard this same info from mark:
that i just heard...


say, it DOES match what you said, my email from just a bit agao said that he was with the nichols... is THIS the same folks you mentioned, and yes, it was at sunset inn... so i know he is safe then... and with dear horse...

please keep in touch, on this... thanks so very kindly and soooooo very much, dear andy!!!!!

praying and crying for all the folks... i love for folks to have their homes and families, so this always makes me sad... and for the firefighters...
they did NOT have to chose this line of work... WHAT IF none, ever did...

we are so indebted to folks that chose this work, and god watch over them, amen...

klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
http://earthdata.nasa.gov/labs/worldview/?map=-120.375366,37.399658,-119.672241,38.4104&products=baselayers,MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_Bands721,MODIS_Terra_CorrectedReflectance_TrueColor~overlays,sedac_bound&time=2013-08-22&switch=geographic
QITNL

climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Good news: the lines to the SW seem to be holding. Bad news: it's expanding towards the NE big time. Hotspots now pass the YNP border, only a couple of miles from Cherry Lake/Lake Eleanor/Camp Mather.

Credit: QITNL
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 22, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
Water is still flowing to SF even after the Rim fire burned over the City's Hetch Hetchy water system massive intakes pipe installation at the bottom of
the canyon on the cherry lake road.

Many thanks to the firefighters and HH aqueduct engineers keeping the water running!

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/yosemite-rim-fire-burns-through-san-francsico-water-power-lines/Content?oid=2556190

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 22, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
The smoke from this fire has visibility down to 200 feet in the greater carson area. Hope they get some weather to HELP!
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 22, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
If reports on twitter are to be believed the area just east of and adjacent to PML airport and Unit 12 of PML (if that's different) are being mandatorily evacuated. The airport's east-northeast facing webcam seems to refresh every 15min

4:35pm:

Credit: murcy

Now (live):

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 22, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Can anyone explain why there is a white cloud above the darker smoke cloud?

Could it be water vapor from fire suppression water drops rising through
the smoke to condense into a cap cloud thousands of feet above?
WBraun

climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
View from Yosemite Helli-tack at Crane Flat hour ago ..... grim.

Credit: WBraun

Credit: WBraun
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 22, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
dave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrocumulus_cloud
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Aug 22, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Don't know if this link has been added yet.. http://wlfhotlist.com/threads/36507-CA-STF-Rim/page10 Some cool News Helicopter stuff and a great resource for alot of other fire info too. The nation is on Level 5 and Fire Resources are just strapped all over. I'm not sure in my 10 years of fire that I have seen it at that level!
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Just got back home. No sign of fire near big creek shaft rd, and although the east side of pilot ridge looks horrendous, the fire is not moving west on the southern flank at all.

Driving east through groveland it looks like a volcano erupted.


Neebee, what does Matt look like? Might have seen him.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 22, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
Mr K, Here is a picture of Matt.
Far left^^.....
Far left^^.....
Credit: Timid...

How did the melon caper go?

edit: Mr K, glad you made some money and passed on some goodness...cool.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
Ok, not him.

Nita,
Turns out many restaurants are still open, so I sold a bunch of melons and dropped off a box at the Evergreen Refugee Camp.

We are also going to sell at mountain sage on Saturday.

I probably have 2-300 lbs of 3 different kinds that are ready now.


Edit: hey, that's a facelift photo. Now I remember him!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 22, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Dave,,,Incomplete combustion and not enough oxygen to burn everything results in denser darker smoke. The more complete the cumbustion like on smaller flashy fuels the less color to the smoke.



edit: we now have ash particles falling in Carson area...
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 22, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Thanks for the link Murcy.
The white clouds above the darker
smoke just stood out and had to ask. Have to look back at other
recent fires to see if they had pyrocumulus clouds


RA sorry about your air quality. Those canyons have huge fuel loads
and with the wind make a terrible combination.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 22, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
hey there say, khanom, :)... i was off line, for a phone call from england...

nita got ol' matt up there...

he'd be with a horse, too...

had a good prayer session with the gal from england...


thank you so much, nita, :)

ps:
my folks had heard the same info that i heard, but they heard it from chappy, :)


see up thread, i think i got this post through, on dial up, earlier, pretty sure it took... :
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 22, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Prayin for all of ya down there, Neebs Bro included!


And Dave,, no worries its just smoke.


When fires develop cumulus they are referred to as "plume driven", vs wind driven, both primary factors for fire behaviors.;-)
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 22, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
should start to slow as it hits more granite, less fuel and higher, cooler elev.

that part of the T canyon has always generated massive up canyon winds,

dang kayakers probably having a 420 "safety meeting" while scouting clavey falls,
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
This thing is now starting to expand to the west and NW and continuing North and NE.
Tomorrow's winds are forecast to be out of the SSW at 5-10 mph. Not good for the northern flank.
The winds have been shifting around quite a bit the last few days. Not good. And probably a large part of the problem for firefighters.


Credit: Ward Trotter


Props and respect to the hard working firefighting crews on this difficult fire.

We know you are in harms way and we greatly appreciate your efforts. Stay safe.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
Some units of Pine Mountain Lake are now under mandatory evac orders. I know they were hitting the area near the PML Airport pretty hard with retardant... hopefully they were able to stop it's westward progress.

Now at 63,366 acres, 1% contained, 1849 personnel -- this not on Inciweb yet. I saw one estimate of 80k acres.


Pine Mountain Lake Airport. Source unknown
Pine Mountain Lake Airport. Source unknown
Credit: khanom
ruppell

climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Best of luck. This thing is growing super fast.

http://www.inciweb.org/incident/article/3660/20701/
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
2500 structures threatened.
In a sparsely populated area, that's going to take a huge effort.
Awesome DC-10 pic. Thank Gov Jerry for committing to a season long lease for that beast early in the year. It's not exclusively for California but at least we have a new contract (the Legislature canceled last year).
http://www.10tanker.com/the-plane.html
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
The 2500 structures refers to Pine Mountain Lake, a gate community of mainly froo froo second homes that most people around here couldn't care less about. Not to say I don't have friends who live there.
Mazzystr

Gym climber
Homeless...
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
We're following along in the east (Raleigh, NC). We send our prayers for the safety the crew and civilians.

Those smoke plumes are colossal. We get storms that come up from South Carolina that track NE and parallel the Atlantic shore about 100miles in. The city of Wilson, NC gets their ass handed to them when they arrive. We can see the cloud plumes all the way in Raleigh and we're about 50 miles away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulonimbus

I watched that Eva Marie Schicke video. Tragic. I watched an aerial battle with fire in Tuolumne Grove while hanging off the side of North Dome for 2 weeks in 06. I had no idea the danger and effort that went fire fighting in mountainous terrain.

Wow! Amazing that there are DC-10's still in the air!
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 22, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
I posted this on May 6 on a different fire thread, but it seems worthy of posting again given the recent conditions. The article touches on some of the challenges fire managers are facing this year.

**California Girds for Severe Fire Season as Dry Lands Burn
**
By Michael B. Marois - 2013-05-06T04:00:01Z
Californians are preparing for a prolonged season of wildfires after an unusually dry winter that left millions of acres of scrub brush in the most populous U.S. state primed to burn.

The tinder-box conditions have sparked more than 840 wildfires since January, about 320 more than the five-year average, according to the state Forestry and Fire Protection Department, known as Cal Fire. A fast-moving fire in Ventura County over the weekend charred an area the size of San Francisco, forced the evacuation of a college with 4,900 students and threatened 4,000 homes northwest of Los Angeles.

Wind-swept fires across the state following similarly dry winter months in 2008 burned more than 1.2 million acres and killed 13 firefighters, according to Cal Fire. In 2007, firestorms swept through Southern California, destroying 1,500 homes, displacing almost a million residents and killing 17.

“It’s pretty shocking that we are having fires of this size already,” said Bill Stewart, a professor of forest economics and policy with the University of California at Berkeley. “It could be a big one. I wouldn’t be surprised if we surpassed 2007.”

The California Department of Water Resources announced May 2 that the state’s snowpack was 17 percent of normal. January through March was the driest first quarter on record for the state, according to the California State Meteorologist.

Budget Cuts

The dangerous conditions come as automatic federal budget cuts called sequestration means the U.S. Forest Service has to cut its budget even though the agency expects this year’s fire season to match and or possibly exceed last year, when 9.3 million acres burned. Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell has said the cuts mean his agency will hire about 500 fewer seasonal firefighters than normal.

Governor Jerry Brown in 2011 signed a budget that reduced the number of firefighters assigned to each engine to three from four as a way save money and help erase what was then a $10 billion deficit. The move restored staffing levels on each truck to where they were before October 2003, when 14 separate massive firestorms scorched more than 750,000 acres, destroyed 1,700 homes and killed 24 people.

Brown told a panel of federal judges May 2 that one way he could comply with their order to reduce overcrowding in state prisons was to move 1,300 inmates to camps where they can be deployed to help on the fire lines. California currently has about 3,700 inmates in such camps.

1,800 Firefighters

More than 1,800 firefighters over the weekend battled a blaze known as the Springs Fire south of Camarillo in Ventura County. Strong Santa Ana winds spread the blaze to more than 43 square miles (111 square kilometers) before crews were able to stall its growth yesterday.

The fire, now mostly under control, had forced officials to evacuate California State University, Channel Islands, and close down portions of State Route 1, known as the Pacific Coast Highway. While no homes were destroyed, 15 were damaged, the Ventura Fire Department said.

Stewart said that even with the dry conditions, how long and often strong winds blow through the summer months will determine whether the state suffers the kinds of massive fires that struck in 2007 and 2008.

“It’s the high winds that really drives up the acreage and pushes the fires up into subdivisions,” he said. “We know we have dry fuel on the ground, we know it’s going to be warm, but what we don’t know yet is how often we are going to have winds.”

Red Flag

The National Weather Service had issued red flag warnings for most of Los Angeles and Ventura counties over the weekend because of the dry Santa Ana winds, which blow desert air toward the Pacific coast. The warning alerts area residents and firefighters that conditions are ideal for rapidly spreading wildfires.

Cal Fire has 4,700 full-time firefighters and foresters who are aided by another 8,700 seasonal and local workers. The state also uses prisoners to fight wildfires. The Corrections Department said 82 crews, consisting of 1,093 inmates and 97 guards, were assisting in battling 14 fires across the state.

“We have already seen a big increase in the number of fires that normally occur at this time of year, and summer hasn’t yet arrived,” Mark Ghilarducci, secretary of the California Emergency Management Agency, said in a statement.

Colorado Fires

Large wildfires aren’t limited to California. Colorado suffered its most destructive fire season last year, with dozens of blazes fueled by drought-ravaged grass and beetle-killed timber. Flames destroyed at least 600 homes and charred more than 116,000 acres. Damage was estimated at more than $450 million, with the Waldo Canyon blaze, which consumed entire neighborhoods in the foothills around Colorado Springs, becoming the most expensive fire in state history.

More than 153,000 acres have burned across the U.S. this year, though that’s half how much were scorched during the same period in 2012, according to the National Interagency Fire Center out of Boise, Idaho.

Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Aug 22, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
I took this today at around 4.40pm. It was the largest and Easternmost of the three columns that I could see.
Credit: Chicken Skinner
I have seen some gnarly fires over the years and this appears to be one of the worst I have seen.

Ken
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
my gawd that's huge
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
Yes, it is huge and moving fast. That was the hottest spot and only part of the whole fire. Here are some others taken at the same time to give some perspective.
Credit: Chicken Skinner
Credit: Chicken Skinner
Credit: Chicken Skinner
28mm wide angle.
28mm wide angle.
Credit: Chicken Skinner
Credit: Chicken Skinner
Credit: Chicken Skinner

Ken
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 22, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Looks like the wind has already shifted around to the SW. The separated red areas to the NE sometimes indicate wind blown hot spots.
This beast just keeps looking epochal
Sure would be cool if some rain fell. Not in the forecast. Although by Sat. the wind is backing off a bit. It will also be just a tad cooler Sun and Mon. We'll take what we can get.

12:30 am update

Credit: Ward Trotter

Man those western and NW flanks look scary getting close to Groveland.
My guess is that they are concentrating resources there and backing off the NE flank, relatively speaking.
Blakey

Trad climber
Sierra Vista
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:20am PT

This looks grim,

We are recently back from a trip to the valley, in late June. Our accommodation was a rented cabin at Buck Meadows and we commuted into the Valley and Meadows.

In the face of the devastation this brings I hope all are OK - or at least safe.

Steve

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:53am PT
6:06 p.m.
6:06 p.m.
Credit: mouse from merced
6:06 p.m., taken from the south side of the Hotel Tioga, view SW.  No ...
6:06 p.m., taken from the south side of the Hotel Tioga, view SW. No rain approacheth.
Credit: mouse from merced
6:15, north side of the Tioga, view NW.  None here either.  We're f*#k...
6:15, north side of the Tioga, view NW. None here either. We're f*#ked.
Credit: mouse from merced

Edit:
God bless'em, every one.
God bless'em, every one.
Credit: Mandy Carlson
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 01:52am PT
Tonight's map from esri:

Credit: QITNL

Pretty lousy. It's getting hotter. By tomorrow, the perimeter will be redrawn, maybe 100,000 acres. Cherry and Eleanor lakes may be toast. Even worse, the hotspots are working up the north side of Hetch Hetchy. Forget beautiful wilderness, we're talking major infrastructure, like San Francisco's water supply.

To the NE, sooner or later it may hit granite and become containable. Today the scanners were buzzing about the NW, pre-painting the town of Tuolumne. Like a foregone conclusion it's in the path.

Better news towards the south. They saved the ranger station! Too bad about the forest. That's gonna look odd.

Shame about the playground but nature takes its course.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 23, 2013 - 03:19am PT
where is that paraglider dude?

bet he could set a new record,
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:33am PT
Was in Reno yesterday when the smoke showed up SO quickly....visibility went to about a quarter mile.
Bad Climber

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:04am PT
Damn, that's scary! Keep safe fire fighters!

BAd
feralfae

Boulder climber
Montana
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:31am PT
Neebs,
Did you hear from your brother yet?
How are things?
I got your email, but wanted to post here to let you know I am watching and concerned

Things are quiet out here along the Divide in Montana right now. I'm heading down to the Winds soon.

Everyone take care out there in YNP, hope the fire on both sides of 120 is out by now, or almost out. At least controlled. Anything that is progress. I remember when the Bitterroot burned out here, and the smoke columns and billowing of smoke was not a fierce looking as you have out there in YNP right now. G*d keep you all safe.

Neebs, I'll email you in a while when I get back from coffee and breakfast with friends from Sweden, who are cycling through today on their way to Kamloops.

Mouse, you and everyone out there take care. I hope you get lots of rain any minute. You guys are in my prayers. Take care. Be safe.

Neebs, much Love and fairy dustings for you.
feralfae
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 06:38am PT
105,650 acres, 2% contained. 2000 fire personnel.


Wind must have shifted enough... air quality here this morning sucks. I can barely see the end of our valley.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:50am PT
khanom...thanks for keeping us all so well informed.

What a monster.

Best to you all.
ruppell

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:56am PT
Yikes. If that info is accurate that's a 50% increase in size in less than 12 hours. Epic.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:13am PT
this is really bad--

if i lived in san francisco, i'd be stockpiling water. heth hetchy looks likely to burn, and no one knows if the system will be fully operational after. and everyone who lives over on the nearby 108 corridor ought to be prepared to bail on a moment's notice.

it now has a clear run up the canyon to tuolumne city, and give the way it's spotting now, that means that even phoenix lake and twain harte could become threatened in the next few days. i don't think it's likely, but we're entering a world in which no one can reliably model this fire's behavior.

this is not just another seasonal sierra fire.

this report gives a fairly current overview of the literature:

http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/pnw_gtr854.pdf



Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:22am PT
105,000+ acres and only 2% contained.

Is anywhere within 4 hours of Tahoe not smoky? My lungs cannot handle this.
sneville

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:25am PT
How is the smoke on 108 all the way to the pass?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Air National Guard Lt.Col. Brian Allen flying drops over the treetops.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/23/idaho-california-wildfires/2691517/

"Landing gear...landing gear..."
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:29am PT
How is the smoke on 108 all the way to the pass?

a section of 108 was closed yesterday due to another, smaller fire.

if yr planning a crossing, i'd be checking status all the way there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:37am PT
Mouse, tell yer Nat Guard friend to have his FMS system checked - I'm thinking
that lowering the gear wasn't gonna help much. The FMS systems I'm familiar
with are more helpful as the nice lady says...

"Terrain, terrain, pull up you suicidal fuk!!!!!"
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:47am PT
Word, Reilly, word.

Word for the day/week/month: Pyrocumulus/pyrocumulonimbus.

According to the Weather Guys--

A pyrocumulus cloud forms from rising air that results from intense heating of the surface by phenomena such as wildfires or volcanic eruptions. The fires that generate these clouds can be man-made or natural.

A big fire produces strong upward moving air currents that carry water vapor and ash upward. The water vapor can condense on the ash forming cloud drops. The vigorous upward motions produce these pyrocumulus clouds that look similar to thunderstorm clouds, which also form due to strong upward moving air. A pyrocumulus is a fire cloud.

In Latin, pyro means “fire” and cumulus means “pile up.” Cumulus is a type of cloud that is common in Wisconsin, particularly in summer. Cumulus clouds are those puffy-white clouds with tops that have a cauliflower appearance. Pyrocumulus clouds are grayish or brown in color because of the ashes and smoke of the fire. The tops of these clouds can reach as high as 30,000 feet. It is difficult to locate the bottom of a pyrocumulus cloud as it is often obscure by the ash generated by the fire or the volcanic eruption.

If lots of water vapor is available, the pyrocumulus can develop into a cumulonimbus, or thunderstorm. When a thundercloud forms, it is called pyrocumulonimbus. Like thunderstorms, pyrocumulonimbus can produce lightning because of the strong updrafts. Rain can also fall from these clouds, which could help extinguish the fire generating the cloud. Of course, the lightning might cause another fire.
//

The anvils haven't formed over these clouds we have been seeing the last several days, meaning the upper atmosphere, at around 30 thou, isn't sufficiently cold enough to cause an "inversion," or flattening out of the heated cloud vapor beneath a layer of much colder air, which cannot readily mix with the updrafts. Anvils are good things, to my mind. What saith the Taco's few resident expert Weathermen?

hamersorethumb

Trad climber
Menlo Park, CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:52am PT
photos of the start of the rim fire as seen from Pine Mountain Lake on Saturday August 17th.

We then went into Toulmne Meadows for some climbing driving right past the fire on Monday the 19th. We had a great time in the meadow. Thanks to all the firefighters and stay safe everyone.
Start of fire
Start of fire
Credit: hamersorethumb
Credit: hamersorethumb
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 09:59am PT
on the the CA.gov website (dot.ca.gov) it says 108 has no traffic restrictions.

anyone know how up to date this is? or is there a better website?
adikted

Boulder climber
Tahooooeeeee
Aug 23, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Does anyone know how it is up in the Meadows curretly smokewise? Does anyone think they will close the gates til this gets a little controlled??

Greg
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 10:49am PT
on the the CA.gov website (dot.ca.gov) it says 108 has no traffic restrictions.

yeah, that's the site. i'd just check again or listen to traffic channel as you get closer to sonora. or watch the roadsigns/tune to the traffic channel in case it changes and you need to re-route.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 23, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Does anyone know how it is up in the Meadows curretly smokewise? Does anyone think they will close the gates til this gets a little controlled??

How is Bridgeport? Hulk? Mammoth? Beeshop?

Tahoe fuking sucks right now.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 10:55am PT
All info I've seen says 108 is currently open, but it may not stay that way.

An advisory evacuation order has been issue for town of Tuolumne, east of Sonora.


Updates:

Kinda glued to the scanner.

Air support out of Columbia Airport shut down due to smoke. Fire around Harden Flat "starting to take off", air support requested but not available. (Indeed we have not heard any aircraft at all this morning)

Also reports of fire crossing Clements road in north Pine Mountain Lake, but this is sketchy.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 11:48am PT
Maybe I was right and they concentrated resources to work on that western flank closest to Groveland yesterday into overnight --things look better there, for now.
Tonight the wind stays SW less than 5 mph and it will be marginally cooler. Good news .

The N and NE flanks are really opening up. Slight drop off in wind strength from SW could help there.

Credit: Ward Trotter

Saturday around midnight the winds shift to NE and NW...hopefully this won't mean the SE flank opening up, and making a run for the thickly wooded slopes in that direction.
Good thing about the NE is it looks like the beast might run out of things to eat up there. Less oxygen too.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Tuolumne evacuation? That sounds unrelated to the Rim Fire
Interesting Modis info overlaid on Google Earth
Rim fire Aug 19 boundary is bounded by red line. 23 Aug 11:45 AM PDT M...
Rim fire Aug 19 boundary is bounded by red line. 23 Aug 11:45 AM PDT Modis overlay. Note that the yellow squares are old data and I presume are "out".
Credit: HighTraverse
Note the info in the legend at top right.
MODIS data is from 11:45 PDT today. Yellow squares are effectively "out". The rest are still active.
All the way to Lake Eleanor? Looks as if it's not near Hetch Hetchy quite yet, although the HH power lines to SF have been down for a couple of days.

The evening of Aug 19 (red line fire boundary), I mentioned this fire to our local (Santa Cruz Mtns) CalFire camp Chief and he was more concerned about the big fire off Foresthill Rd near Auburn. He already had most of his crews and equipment on that fire. Then this fire took off overnight. That must have caused a huge change in the CalFire order of battle.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Bridgeport and Mammoth traffic cams look fairly clear.

http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist6/cctv/
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
Tuolumne evacuation? That sounds unrelated to the Rim Fire

Tuolumne City, not the meadows. Tuolumne City is on the 108 on the top of the canyon. 2 or 3 miles as the crow flies from Twain Harte.

Reasonable expectation is that it's likely to run up the canyon, and then folks will try to hold a line at the brow of the hill there at Tuolumne CIty and the 108.

Look at the perimeter map from this morning-- this fire has multiple canyons to blow up with no defensible lines until it reaches granite to the northeast and 108 to the n/nw



Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
Reasonable expectation is that it's likely to run up the canyon, and then folks will try to hold a line at the brow of the hill there at Tuolumne CIty and the 108.

Yep. Now that they've reasonably contained the Groveland flank they have no doubt been running additional crews and resources up to T City over the last 12 hrs.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
fixed wing air support is back up. A c-130, followed about 1 minute later by a DC-10 just flew over our house.


I would not call the western flank "reasonably contained". Reports are it's less than 1/2 a mile from the PML airport and that crews are struggling to keep it contained. I'm sure they will! But PML is not out of the woods.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
How in the world are two airplanes gonna even slow this thing down?
Talk about pissing into a hurricane...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Yesterday we saw the DC-10 make at least 3 runs, probably more. That's 12,000 gallons of retardant per run. We also saw countless C-130s from different agencies and at least three different kinds of helicopters. It was pretty much non-stop all day.

I expect the same today. And I have to give the aircraft at least some of the credit for keeping our place safe.

Update: another DC-10. I thought they only had one. Next time I'll grab the binocs
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Smoke report?

check the cam link below for forest fire smoke situation. Right now
the Yosemite Valley and T-meadows look like heaven while just west and on Hwy108 its hell.

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/sierralookouts.htm \

satellite view
http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_vis.php?image=vis&inv=0&t=cur®ion=sw
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
klk. Yes, I know where Tuolumne City is, my post was ambiguous. Thanks for catching it.
I was surprised!

They'll be focusing their resources on structure protection. Obviously the PML development but also probably trying to keep the fire from crossing the Tuolumne River below Hetch Hetchy and protecting Hetch Hetchy dam facilities.
At least the winds are light so far today.

CalFire has the other major fire to deal with: American fire east of Auburn/Foresthill At least SoCal is quiet….. for now.
PellucidWombat

Mountain climber
Berkeley, CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Really begs the question for those of us about to start our weekly weekend commute in a few hours:



Thanks for the status updates everyone!
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 23, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
The impact on your lungs for anyone going up to climb in that smoke
is incalculable. At least take many filter masks and shaving razors to keep the skin to mask contact edge from leaking smoke.

http://www.bigredtruck.com.au/index.php/vallfirest-forestry-smoke-mask

http://www.amazon.com/Neoprene-Carbon-Mask-Multi-Purpose-External/dp/B002A145EY/ref=sr_1_1/188-2042923-7508439?ie=UTF8&qid=1377289184&sr=8-1&keywords=smoke+masks

High Traverse - if we can believe the map the fire is burning
the Kibby Ridge and past Lake Eleanor on the south already.



klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
btw, pyro over on hotlist has put together a fire history map that shows previous burn history in the area. i knew that much of this ground had burned back in 87 as part of the complex fire, but hadn't found a good footprint for it--

https://6e4c16a3-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/pyrogeography/Home/rim_firehist.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7coOX_cTzdRMYPc2mCnlJZKYGg_39blZRt420mGyGKGl2ungooWEGlue-DdEVLKzP0kfokxBb9_MZaVcYa6oKffSPCpphQLnZP-ia5q0U6zntjloFiz-XMQ57E3lW-wqmMSgrrW4RHk

mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
klk, I wanted to look over the complex fire map, but the link appears invalid now?

That was one big fire in 1987, but I don't recall it coming this far the the north and northwest.
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
Try this link for the map klk mentioned:
http://tiny.cc/hvfa2w

This afternoon's map from ersi:

Credit: QITNL

To the NE, the fire is now working up Kibbie ridge, nearing Kibbie Lake (NE of Cherry) and Laurel Lake (NE of Eleanor). Air attack is having a hard time painting the fire directly due to smoke/visibility, or getting off the ground, for that matter. Tuolumne City is now under evacuation advisory, it looks like efforts may be shifting to protection rather than suppression, they are discussing "strategy change."

Personally, I'd stay out of the 108 corridor this weekend out of respect for fire fighting efforts and potential evacuations. I'd also stay away from the Valley.

Edit - "QITNL, Kibbie is NE of Cherry, Laurel is NE of Eleanor, no," Yes, you are correct, I'm freaking dyslexic sometimes. I can usually get N & S correct, W & E or L & R are a whole other can of worms. Fixed. Thanks, scuffy b.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
thanks q.

just as well to download the fire history map now, since he's edited it since i posted the first link:

http://tiny.cc/hvfa2w
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
It's starting to get nervous on this side of the river (Grroveland is south of the Tuolumne River, Twain Harte, Tuolumne and other communities are north of it).

Ponderosa Hills is under an evacuation advisory now - they may get an evacuation order. The fire seems like it is a long way away from this subdivision, but in those canyons...

We live seven miles from Ponderosa Hills and are giving some thought to thinking about some plans.
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Yeah, Brad, I've been thinking of you. When I dropped by to grab your book, Vicki and I were talking about how dry it was. And that was late June. On the bright side, they are putting a lot of effort into structure protection and much of that work seems to be going well. Best luck to you and everyone out there.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
Brad, was the TH update meeting last night or tonite? Good luck and let's hope it doesn't get that far. So much for God's Bath..
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_eGiGG1B-Q&feature=share&noredirect=1

fly by. Pretty incredible.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:48pm PT


Brad, was the TH update meeting last night or tonite? Good luck and let's hope it doesn't get that far. So much for God's Bath..


It's tonight - Vicki's going.

I'm kinda proud of my oldest girl Katie. She's done with work and hasn't left for college and so she's been hanging around home.

She got in her car a few hours ago and headed to the evacuation center in Sonora to help "in any way she can."
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Vivian Ho of the Chronicle: "Evergreen Road up to Mather was fine"

Edit:

She also tweets "I'm happy to report that Camp Mather, though very smokey, escaped any serious fire damage last night"


Edit2: "Evergreen Lodge is safe"




Edit3: Spinning Wheel Ranch, owned by the nice folks who own the Iron Door Saloon, is also in good shape, though they lost several out buildings.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
That's bc you raised her well! Let us know what they say. My dad's not going.
willm

Social climber
Oakland
Aug 23, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Good to know about Conness, del cross. I was going to drive up there tonight and have a go. Smoke in the eyes sounds like a bad time.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 23, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
brad, i would have stuff ready to go, just in case. if nothing else, the smoke could get bad enough to put ten years of age on yr lungs.

this is radder than the 87 complex fire. one of the fastest anyone's seen, and the convection is really scary. prevailing winds might not even matter.

the canyons are prime for blow up scenarios, that's why they've been prepping the t-city line for awhile now.

trying to get my mom to come down to the coast, but she doesn't want to leave the animals. she has the car ready to roll.

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 23, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
hey there say, mtnyoung...

as to this part of quote:

She got in her car a few hours ago and headed to the evacuation center in Sonora to help "in any way she can.

wow, how very wonderful for her to think of others and do this, of her own
free will... >:D<



also, khanom... great to hear the update of these places... :)
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Aug 23, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Yeah, it seems that it could really race up the North Fork to Tuolumne City.

QITNL, Kibbie is NE of Cherry, Laurel is NE of Eleanor, no?

Thanks for all these updates.
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Wow....Great air footage Mike, and great updates QITNL. Sure looks like the fire could get into the Valley...Yikes!
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Pelucidwombat: it doesn't look like you're going to be allowed to come up here!

From a local news station:

"The Advisory Evacuation has grown. Areas include Soulsbyville, Willow Springs and areas on the south side of highway 108.
Tuolumne County Sheriff Jim Mele says, "It is advisory and there are no mandatory evacuations in those areas at this time."

Also, roadways into Tuolumne City are being closed to the public. Only residents, firefighters and law enforcement are being allowed into the area."

Shit!
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
From the current satellite hot spots it doesn't look like Mather/Evergreen Lodge and PML are out of the woods yet. Really scary how much wooded terrain there is in easy reach of this thing.

Obviously the water in Cherry and Eleanor will be affected--post-wildfire runoff has elevated levels of metals, etc. So far I don't think anything in the Hetchy watershed has burned (but it will certainly get some ash if the wind turns, if it hasn't already).

Credit: murcy

[edit: correct, this is the hetchy watershed map.]
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Hang in there Brad but not too long. Be ready to go.
Start collecting the Must Not Lose items. Make sure you and your family have a clear plan for IF you have to evac.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23806626
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
Pelucidwombat: it doesn't look like you're going to be allowed to come up here!

From a local news station:

"The Advisory Evacuation has grown. Areas include Soulsbyville, Willow Springs and areas on the south side of highway 108.
Tuolumne County Sheriff Jim Mele says, "It is advisory and there are no mandatory evacuations in those areas at this time."

Also, roadways into Tuolumne City are being closed to the public. Only residents, firefighters and law enforcement are being allowed into the area."

Shit!

For those who are bad at english (like me) ... does that mean 108 is closed, or "game time decision" ?

EDIT : sorry if that sounds cold, for people who this fire actually matters and affects their lives, and i'm just looking to have fun going out to play.
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Here's a detail of the Camp Mather area from the lastest ersi:

Credit: QITNL

Camp Mather is just north of the little pond in the middle - Birch Lake. The little cutout in the fireline indicates structure protection activity.

The blue icon is the ranger station/entrance gate. Evergreen Lodge is to the south, they are still in the clear.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Right up to the entrance gate**
that really brings it home.
That would of course be the Hetch Hetchy gate, not the main 120 gate. At least not yet
TrackerTodd

Mountain climber
CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
Man ,that is close. Thx for the updates everyone.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
ecflau, Tuolumne City is about 3 miles(direct line) away from 108. Tuolumne Rd is the major road to Tuolumne City from 108 that has restrictions.

There is fire about 3 miles SSE from Tuolomne City.

Still, if there is another big advance overnight, 108 could have restrictions as well.
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
HighTraverse: Yes, I was speaking of the Hetch Hetchy entrance gate on Evergreen Road - just to be clear.

Here's where we are at coming in on 120:

Credit: QITNL

SR 120 from Buck Meadows to the left of that shot (Hardin Flat, Berkeley Camp exit) is toast. Including that bridge they've been working on all summer just east of Rim of the World.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Great posts. Thanks for all the info.

murcy, that map you posted... that is just the watershed for Hetch Hetchy, right?
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
ecflau: Monolith has it right - only Tuolumne City has restrictions for now and 108 is open.

But this thing seems to be racing toward that town! I've never heard of such a restriction there, even during another fire some years ago in which we could see flames from parts of town.

Still, it appears that they are making huge efforts now that will allow them to stop the fire in the North Fork Tuolumne River canyon. They'll let it burn up into that canyon and then stomp it in the canyon below town (at least that looks like the plan).
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
Joe, your map postings are fantastic!

Can you post anything current from the northwest side of the fire (a little self-interest there)?
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
ecflau, here's the latest about our roads:

"Tuolumne County, CA -- Unless you're a resident or members of the Rim Fire emergency response team you won't get into Tuolumne City. The advisory evacuations have expanded from the area known as Sherwood Forest to the east entrance of Twain Harte down Highway 108 to Willow Springs and Soulsbyville. Highway 108 is open to traffic.

That is not the case in Tuolumne City, Spokesperson Scott Johnson says, "The California Highway Patrol is manning road closures at all entrances into Tuolumne City unless you are a resident and can prove you are a resident."
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
hey there say, khanom, strider, nita, and all...

matt called our dad this morning and he is safe with horse, in groveland now... not sure what is next, but this is good for now...


:)
Strider

Trad climber
ಠ_ಠ
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
I am in SF right now and just finished setting up an ad-hoc network for the Evergreen server and computer equipment. Word came to us around 1pm that the Evergreen and Camp Mather are safe at this time with no loss is structures. The fire fighters were able to bump the fire around us. We are not completely out of the woods yet but this is the first official good news we have had so far. Camp Tawonga also escaped damage.

The bad news was the mandatory evacuation of Sunset Inn and Hardin Flat around 2 pm. They are now trying to focus efforts in the Tuolumne City direction as well as toward PML.

-n
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Thanks, all.

Best wishes to you guys that call that area home...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
Here is the current west side.

The Tuolumne is Tuolumne City.

photo not found
Missing photo ID#317579

If you have google earth, go to:

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/googleearth.php

Click Fire Detections(MODIS): Current

Then specify your Google Earth app when prompted. The map will update every 15 minutes.

Each time it updates it will zoom out, so place a marker to zoom back to.
QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Sure thing, Brad - and this is the link I'm pulling the maps from:
http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=63f7b29d4cf94516aa43bef90c27ae51

Here's what's going on in your direction:

Credit: QITNL

These maps are a little slow and you kinda have to guess what's going on. The lines are rough but the spots indicate the heat and spread of the fire. They complement the MODIS maps Ward Trotter & monolith are providing.

Over the last 24 hours most of the chatter has switched from Groveland/PML to drawing a line at Tuolumne City. Winds are blowing to the NE - Hetch Hetchy is the last major piece of infrastructure in that corner. You hit granite at Lake Vernon so there's a bit of a natural line there.

It sounds like a primary concern now is the 108 corridor. They are prepping a number of lines in that area; they might not be able to knock it down before it gets there. You might be just NW enough to be lucky.
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Got an email this afternoon from Bill and Lauren that they would be evacuating Sunset Inn. My brother Matt and his horse Sharky made it out yesterday after two nights with Bill and Lauren. They were all allowed out west on 120 to Big Oak Flat. It looks like Sawmill Mnt got burnt and that the fire reached Matt's place on Sawmill Mnt Area Rd. Haven't heard of any structures lost there. Hopefully his place is OK.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Chappy, reports from Vivian Ho of the Chronicle were that the houses near the start of the road were fine. She couldn't get in farther because of downed trees.
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Aug 23, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Photos from today between 12 and 3pm from tuolumne meadows. Sadly, wind has shifted and smoke currently filling lee vining canyon

Credit: Chris McNamara

Tim fire from top of Lembert dome
Tim fire from top of Lembert dome
Credit: Chris McNamara
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Alpenglow Sports posted this....

From Alpenglow Sports
From Alpenglow Sports
Credit: bergbryce
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
update 2 hours ago
The Southeast Blue Team assumed command of the Rim Fire on August 23 at 6:00 A.M. and will remain in unified command with CalFire. Approximately 4,500 structures are threatened. Fire continues to spread eastward.
That's 2000 more homes at risk than this morning. I assume that reflects the new danger to the area south of 108
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Everyone with an eye for potential fire disasters has wondered
how those little villages along the Sonora Pass road could have
survived? The forest is thick, trees overhang most every building,
thick pine needle carpets on roofs. Defensible space is an alien concept.
Has their luck finally run out?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
The USFS ran out of their fire budget and now rob from other departments within the USFS.. What this means is NO money for DRASTICALLY needed treatments of our forests. They are already spending money talking about CC and fires,, yet they IGNORE the gawdamm obvious - our forests are FEKKED, and if we dont do something about the ROOT of the problem, the only thing left of our forest someday will be ash and invasive weeds.

And yes DEFENSIBLE space in the mountains should be FIRST and FOREMOST in the minds of the mountain residents. Yes its not as cool having a clearing around the dwellings but, neither is watching it all burn down to the ground. In addition to that , fire fighters may not risk the time loss to try and save a house festooned with pines right up to the porch. They have to make decisions in minutes on which structure they might save.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
Article in Sac Bee less than an hour ago. Amazing C-130 MAFFS video and audio at the bottom.

http://www.sacbee.com/2013/08/23/5675803/yosemite-national-park-fire.html
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
Ron....Mother Nature seems to be taking care of it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#317599


Driving into Carson city,, its there , somewhere. So are mountains!

Its a mean prick that fire.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
I've just spent 6 months managing a major wild land fuel clearance project. The goals are to slow the spread of fire, but more importantly to provide a fuel break that makes a safe space for the firefighters to work from. Incidentally it can also improve habitat diversity (which was one of our lesser goals)
We had three main approaches:
1) remove all brush at least 25 feet either side of the road.
2) Trim all tree branches as high as a power pole saw could reach: about 10 feet. Also from 25 to 50 feet either side
3) Remove all conifers (except redwoods) up to 8" diameter
4) Remove selected species of hardwoods up to 8", saving some. In my project we specifically saved about 1/2 the madrones, all the buckeye and about 1/2 of the "true oaks"
5) reduce or eliminate branches or trees that arch over the road. You can take away all the ladder fuel and still have a crown fire.

but you've got to maintain it. Another section we finished clearing nearly a year ago is now re-grown brush up to 3' high!
So now we're working on getting another grant for maintenance. We figure we'll have to re-work every bit of it every three years, 1/3 each year.
It's a huge and expensive effort. Even for my 2 miles.
tom Carter

Social climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Any updates on Bill and Lauren/Sunset Inn?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
That MAFFSs video is really something!
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
I shouldn't joke but the people at Pinecrest Lake probably
don't even know there's forest fire coming because their air quality
always sucks like one is near by.

air quality rating: Hazardous PM2.5 >100.4 ?
http://www.deq.state.or.us/aqi/includes/aqi_FFscale.html

QITNL

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
A lot of the action was focused on this area today:

Credit: QITNL

They've been trying to thin the fire down as it headed west on Paper Cabin Ridge north of the Tuolumne River. The fear was that it would dogleg around straight into Tuolumne town. Here's T911 painting the city, crazy:



Aircraft are signing off for the evening but they're sounding more confident about their chances now. If that area holds okay overnight they'll be attacking the northern sectors tomorrow.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
Word is 125,620 acres, 5% contained, 2,700 fire personnel.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 23, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I was in the meadows last week.

My thoughts on the drive both in and out through a completely fuel choked and unhealthy forest was that we've passed from the politically correct to the criminally negligent in the management of our forests.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
TGT, maybe start another thread for that?
John M

climber
Aug 23, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
Thank you to everyone who is posting maps. My computer literacy is lacking so I appreciate what you are doing.

Here is a link to a video of the 1961 Harlow fire that burned from Stumpfield mountain in Mariposa county right up to Oakhurst. It burned 20,000 acres in 2 hours. It burned so fast that trees would be burnt on one side and green on the other. There are some incredible stories in the video.

http://firewisemaderacounty.org/the-1961-harlow-fire-mariposa-county/

I found it on another forum.

http://yosemitenews.info/forum/list.php?3
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 23, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
This seems like the easiest way to get fire maps: http://wildlandfire.maps.arcgis.com/home/

Click: Current U.S. Wildland Fires

Apparently the bay area has lost some electrical power due to the fire and has put out a warning.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:31am PT
hey there say, all...

i need to go back and read this incase the title was misleading...

i just saw this and posted it here, fast:

so--
is this meaning this is IN yosemite now? ...

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/US/74vzeqj8i/Yosemite-Fire-2013-Map-Update-Rim-Wildfire-Now.htm
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:45am PT
hey there say, all... i can't get that link to work... apparently it takes
you to another link...

and well, dial up is just not doing anything tonight, just stuck,
everywhere and no links to any info are working, :(

night all..
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 24, 2013 - 03:06am PT
Credit: mouse from merced
Compare these two maps, if you are unclear about the fire's exact location and the locations of places people have been mentioning. they are NOT ORIENTED in the same direction, but it's the best a mouse can do.
Mariposa County touron map.
Mariposa County touron map.
Credit: mouse from merced
neebee, here's a simple map for those with no intimate knowledge of the fire's area. It's made for tourism, to entice potential buyers.

Notice the three x marks. The orange x is Khanom's, Denise's ma lives up north from there in the cluster of streets, looking like what it is, a subdivision in the hills. Denise's house, which she no longer occupies, being occupied with the Rev, is in the furthest right group of streets on the south side of Ferretti Rd., before it intersects with Hwy 120 on the east end.

She and the Rev live on Manzanita Way, where the green x marks it.

Bill and Lauren and ANDY Nickell and the Sunset Inn B & B live at the small red x, approximately.

The fire's burning in the boxes at the top of this map, and it also is burning in the lands west of them and north of them and under the boxes on the right side, which is in YNP.

That help?

The small scales of the fire maps, compared to this size, are confusing if you don't have context. That is how Google Earth works.

This is brought to you by musmiddleearth.sage/wow-this-is-a-revoltin-development/all-fake.stfu

The Nickell's daughter, Amy, I believe her name is, having met her as an sdult only one time, lives on the north side just on Ferretti Rd., between Denise's house and 120, closer to Sunset Inn.

What slays me is that when the Rev and I visited Khanom's farm a couple of weeks ago, the next day we drove into Groveland from the east end of Ferretti Rd., where there is a VERY STEEP road leading down to a bridge on the river at a spot called Lumsden, a starting point for river trips, and it's, pardon, probably WAS a beauty of a place, with great fishing, too.

As we drove in along Ferretti, the view expanded when the road came near to the drop to the river and the northern Yosemite peaks, Conness and all, were RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US! I'd never been on that section of Ferretti after the turn-off to Lumsden, ever. I like to think I could go out there and take photos this winter, when the snow covers some of the damage, but it will be a sad, sad journey, I am sure...DANG!

I spent most of this afternoon out in the hills north of Merced and have pictures of the pyroculmulus cloud rising and collapsing and then rising again.

I'll be posting them up shortly on The Flames thread, in order to save this thread from invasion by mice. You guys have enough problems.

"I just said, 'Good luck.'"--Bob's 115th Dream

And that goe for you, neebee, with your internest problems, too.

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2013 - 06:15am PT
The view from Ferretti Rd is really cool. We drive that way to pick up manure from the stables a couple times a month.

Just learned that our friends on the south end of Ferretti will be allowed back in, as there is no danger there now -- it's basically where the road block / media staging area is.

The Farmer's Market is cancelled but we are going anyway.

Even smokier this morning. And the sky is purple.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Aug 24, 2013 - 06:29am PT
Why is this called the "Rim" fire?
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 24, 2013 - 07:31am PT
prolly called "rim" fire because the starting point was just about visible from that big view pullout on 120 called "rim of the world"

Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Aug 24, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Thanks, Kerwin.

How's the history of the alps going?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 24, 2013 - 08:54am PT
a little over 100 miles away as the crow flys,,my truck is covered in ash this am. Hoping for a weather change for you all down there.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Aug 24, 2013 - 09:03am PT
Another amazing image showing the scale of the Rim Fire in comparison to the American Fire:
Credit: Charlie D.
Here's a picture of the American Fire plume north of our place in Camino, scary stuff:
Apple Hill looking north
Apple Hill looking north
Credit: Charlie D.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 09:35am PT
hey there say, mouse!!! mouse you are wonderful ... i been trying to do and see this myself, and i can't :(
no maps will load and if they do , they get stuck and i can't move them...

:(

this is exactly what i wanted and needed :)

thank you so very much... :)

will go back and take a longer look, now that i posted for you
to thank you, can you enlarge it just a tad? or will it not cover
all the 'so called bases' ... you could put the larger one
in THE FLAMES... then... I CAN see the 'x's okay though...

just wanted to see the printing of words better, but i will ]
zoom my browser, too...


god bless..


khanom, i did not backtrack yet, HOW are you and girlfriend doing there
with the ranch???

earlier, i had heard the sunset inn was still okay, is it
STILL okay now? and the evergreen, too??
(my brother matt's, place, as chappy mentioned, is questionable)

thanks all...


edit:
mouse, WHERE IS sawmill mt road , on that map??
is it shown??
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 09:47am PT
hey there say, mouse... i just did the click-to-enlarge on teh map,
and it worked...

:)

edit:
so from seeing this, then:
evergreen lodge, and sawmill mt
are UNDER the boxes and can't be seen?

RE-EDIT:
okay, WAIT.... I SEE evergreen and most likely the lodge area
on the edge of yosemite now, just UNDER one of the boxes...

and i see a VERY VERY blurry word, at the far WEST END of
old yosemite road, does THAT say sawmill rd?? or not???
can't see where else it runs to?? if it does...


edit:
so khanom, then, i was perhaps right the first time, when i thought
it was hidden by the boxes, on mouse's map...
i will try to find it and see how far it run...

thanks!
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Outside mountain sage in groveland. A lot of heavy equipment and fire trucks moving out, presumably up to 108.

Neebee, the fire is still quite active in the sawmill man area, hoping for the best for your brothers place.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:06am PT
hey there say, khanom... thank you so much for sharing...

say, where is THIS... sawmill mt...

i am just guessing, at this point...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Sawmill mountain road leaves hwy 120 between cherry lake and evergreen road.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:26am PT
hey there say, khanom... GLAD you are safe and sound!! :)
say,
if matt has not left groveland, with his horse, for somewheres... you may just run into him...

check out nita's picture, again...

if you do, let him know i been 'with him in spirit' and praying, through all
this >:D< and send my love...

SAY folks not sure if these are even worth reading, if hype, if
good info, or what, etc... but:

i cannot read anything anywhere, :( and browser never work again, :(
even opera... :(


but the taco works, so i posting these here to see if it will work for me to read from here... if not, perhaps some of you can read them and put in quotes ANYTHING that is worthy and worth knowing as to fire info:


http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/08/24/2648144/despite-rim-fire-yosemite-valley.html

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/08/23/rim-fire-rages-out-of-control-into-yosemite-100000-acres-burned/

http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_23928253/rim-fire-hits-yosemite-friday-and-explodes-one


well, i got to read two of them, but you know:

you ALL are providing much better, ;)
:)
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 24, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Public copyright: MODIS and Google Earth
Public copyright: MODIS and Google Earth
Credit: HighTraverse
The MODIS fire map as of 20 minutes ago.
The red and orange squares are active within last 24 hours.
I've added Pins for Hardin Flat Rd and Sawmill Mt Rd.
Tuolumne City is just to the left of the picture.
108 crosses the top left corner
Hetch Hetchy dam is just at the campground symbol near the upper east front of the fire.
Camp Mather is at or near the campground symbol at the lower east front of the fire.
Pine Mt lake is the lake just at the left edge of the image, below center
Groveland is about 5 miles west of the fire just beyond the left side of image.

From the last Inciweb report, about 11:15
The very high potential for long range spotting however remains a significant concern for fire to advance beyond the retardant lines and allow for fire spread into the communities of Tuolumne City, Twain Harte and Long Barn.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
hey there say, high travere, wow, thank you...


got to go babysit now, the little boy is here...
:)

thank you all at supertopo, for sharing all you know,
and from the 'near front' lines, as to khanom and all...

klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
the fire is now in position where it could run up two major drainages, north fork of the tuolumne and the clavey.

deep canyons like n fork can work like chimneys-- that was how this thing blew up so dramatically a few days back. one potential scenario is that n fork blows up-- then you can have spotting anywhere, which would suck resources away from folks out on the various lines as well as clustering air support.

fingers crossed here.

this site is now aggregating some of the useful links:

http://www.mtdiablocam.com/activefires.htm
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
if there was any doubt about the situation, here's a sign:

the wal-mart in sonora just closed.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
In the top left, you will see Twain-Harte.  Sister Lenna lives at Ceda...
In the top left, you will see Twain-Harte. Sister Lenna lives at Cedar Ridge, in the shadow of the binding. Our Father, who should be in heaven, find St. Jude and wake his butt up!
Credit: mouse from merced
Right by Rush Creek is the Sunset Camp, Bill's place as it was known.
Right by Rush Creek is the Sunset Camp, Bill's place as it was known.
Credit: mouse from merced
That should help. It's from the DeLorme California Atlas & Gazeteer.

"Gazeteer long and hard, she's a naughty hottie."

Sawmill Mtn. Rd. is shown.

This is just awful. Horrendous. The shits. There are some pics showing on The Flames, but I need to go help the Simon Brothers deal with a dead battery, so I gotta split.

Enjoy. Everyone loves a good cry.

When I spoke on the phone a while ago with the Rev, he said yesterday was spent helping the Nickells move their cargo down to a house they've scored in Big Oak Flat. They're all fine, but the Inn is going down, the way this is looking.

I'm sure they rescued Lauren's chickens, somehow. Eggs Ackley how, I can only guess, but I'd consider BARBECUING THEM!
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Having hiked and played all up and down these drainages, I concur, it's some steep shizznit. I'm at a loss for words and feel like my childhood home is burning down. The one you think, maybe, that you can return too. Some of the best days of my life have been spent lolling in the sun at the Clavey.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
awww Michelle, must be tough seeing this all.

I've gotten two things out of this:
I'd never heard of the Clavey. And a greater appreciation for the fire risk in the canyon that falls away from my back deck.
10b4me

Ice climber
Wishes-He-Was-In-Arizona
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
HT, the Clavey is a great kayaking stream, and I believe where Walt Shipley lost his life.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 24, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Wow the beast is looking considerably improved since yesterday.
This may be due to ,wind shifts , slightly cooler night temps ,and fuel profile changes up slope( N andNE, )and the very hard work and successful work of firefighters in harms way.

The wind is expected to shift coming from the north. As I predicted up thread , the SE flank might make a run for those thick slopes in that direction. Good news there is that wind will be out the East after midnight and then back out of the SW Sunday.
See that's the problem with this beast are these frequent constant f*#king wind shifts. It's like being in a room with a power fan in every corner ,turning on and off sequentially

The wind must be already shifting out of NW . Note the heat-up on the southeast flank.

Credit: Ward Trotter

Lets hope when the wind shifts coming from the east after midnight that the western flank doesn't get heated up too bad.
micronut

Trad climber
Aug 24, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Hope things get knocked down soon. And 10, I think Walt Shipley died in one of the big hydraulics on Dinkey Creek, up out of Fresno/Shaver.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 24, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
^Micronut is correct.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
hey there say, all...

very sad to hear this... as to the sunset inn of the nickles (nichols) not sure, i saw it spelled both ways...

thankful to god that folks helped them move out, i think?? i had hear that they had critters already or in process of evacuated, the other day, but
NOT completely sure, as i heard that from someone else... not from me talking to someone...

say, one of these links, forgot which one, ALSO showed a very good but small map...

am babysitting, will check in later, but still praying...
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Just got back home. Drove via Ferretti Rd and stopped to look at the Pilot Ridge Situation.

We saw dozens and dozens (hundreds?) of fire trucks heading out to tackle Tuolumne City. I mean it was a mass exodus. Bulldozers, heavy equipment, tankers, you name it. OTH several semi-truck loads of retardant for the mobile retardant base at PML airport.

Ferretti Rd is still closed on the south side but there is no block on the PML side so we just drove through. The burn in the Tuolumne river canyon is unbelievable. I wanted to stop for pics but technically Stanislaus NF is closed and there was plenty of ranger danger around. I think they actually call it a felony to enter it now... of all the idiotic things.

All of the roads on the west side of PML are blocked, so obviously they are still dealing with fire activity in that canyon to the NW.

Pilot Ridge (south of Buck Meadows) activity has increased considerably. Enough that they had one of the two DC-10s dropping a load there. They are also doing a backburn down near Briceburg (near Midpines) and have the road that goes that way from Greeley Hill blocked off. We can only see the western aspect of Pilot Ridge from Smith Station and while that side is quite active, the eastern side is really going. Obviously there is potential to get all the way down to Hwy 140. If you look at Pilot Ridge on a topo map, it pretty much points directly at El Portal. It's been quite windy all day, in every which way, so it seems that whole thing is pretty unpredictable.

But as with Tuolumne, they appear to be taking the speed of this fire very seriously and getting out way ahead of it.



Neebee, I ran into Matt at Mountain Sage. He's optimistic about his cabin.


10b4me

Ice climber
Wishes-He-Was-In-Arizona
Aug 24, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
thanks micronut, and Cragman
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Aug 24, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
LOTS of swirling wind here on the eastside today too....

Prayers for all of you in the fire zone....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 24, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
I dont think it will go much farther NE- as it runs smack into Cherry creek drainage and 99.7% granite.
QITNL

climber
Aug 24, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Here's the current overview map:

Credit: QITNL

The Clavey River drainage is to the north. That area is pretty remote, hard to fight, but there isn't much structural damage to worry about for a bit. Of more concern is the W and SE.

Credit: QITNL

The west area has been holding okay. Airdrops yesterday prevented it from moving further west, preventing a Tuolumne City dogleg. On the ground, the north and south flanks of the Tuolumne River are essentially two separate operations. Ferretti/PML/Groveland was the initial concern earlier this week - it's not out yet. Now they need to hold the line to the north, they were backfiring and painting this morning. If that works, the 108 corridor is off the hot seat for a moment.

Credit: QITNL

Today the SE started heating up, they've been moving in more ground crews and it will be getting more attention from air attack. They're trying to hold the line on Evergreen Road, which was jumped south of Camp Mather. The fire is on Ackerson Ridge to the east and Pilot Ridge to the south.

Here is another good map:
http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/fires/2013_rim_fire_map.html
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Aug 24, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
It would eat Tuolumne City alive! Used to be a crazy dump but is actually a neat town. my mom owned the hair shop in town for many years. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point. Sending vibes to my wildland friends for safety. And less crazy wind.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
Unofficial estimate puts it at 170,000 acres


Gusty winds here up to 20mph.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 24, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
just got back from the community meeting with fire officials at miwuk.

they seemed really confident about the southwest-- pml and groveland. it's his job to project confidence and hope, but i don't think it was bluster.

west side on the 108 corridor there wasn't anything not already known to anyone following on the scanner and hotlist. crews down in the canyon are building a line from paper cabin to duckwall mountain in hope of turning it away from the north fork canyon and towards the clavey. they hope to have the line finished tomorrow.

if it jumps that line, the contingency line is on the canyon rim along the south edge of tuolumne city. they've painted the sh#t out of that rim and have stacks of resources. but if it jumps the pc-dw line, it would prolly run as far as conditions permit and we're f*#ked

this is basically conditions dependent-- if it goes nuclear like it did a few days ago, in similar terrain, it could run until it wants a beer and a sandwich. some of the forecasts suggest monsoon moving in tuesday-- if we could move that up a day, and then get through tomorrow, we can all start breathing easier.

best news i had all day was the temp-- i went up to p-crest and up aways toward dodge and then back down to twain harte. everywhere i went today the temps were about 10 degrees less than i'd expect this time of year, and no big convection columns.

the net is getting touchy, so you'll either have to terrain map for the images or maybe someone else can post the location maps.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 24, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Some good news for PML and Buck Meadows.
Evacuation Advisories Lifted for Pine Mountain Lake and Buck Meadows
Release for Saturday, August 24, 2013/Time: 2:00 PM
Evacuated residents from Highway 120 east to Buck Meadows and residents of Pine Mountain Lake, with exception of Graham Ranch Road beyond the cattle guard, will be allowed to return to their homes beginning on Saturday, August 24, 2013 at 6:00 P.M. Residents along Graham Ranch Road, beyond the cattle guard, can expect to return as soon as fire conditions allow. Only residents and those that can prove they have legitimate business in the area will be allowed in. Pacific Gas and Electric has restored electrical service to all areas of Pine Mountain Lake impacted by the Rim Fire, with the exception of residences along Graham Ranch Road beyond the cattle guard.

Which means they will/are shifting resources to more needed areas.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 24, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
5:45 PM today MODIS update
I've added a few pins for those who aren't familiar with the area.
Orange and Red have been active in the past 24 hours.
public copyright Google Earth
public copyright Google Earth
Credit: HighTraverse
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 24, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Credit: dave729
Tuolumne City, California, view of Rim fire 8-23-2013


found a big 2.71Mb view from outer space of the fires.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?project=aeronet&subset=Fresno.2013236.aqua.250m

Looks like new ones down south. One in cartridge creek kings canyon
and a bigger one in the Kern river trench has a pyrocumulus cloud.


neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 24, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
hey there say, khanom... as to this:

Neebee, I ran into Matt at Mountain Sage. He's optimistic about his cabin.

thank you soooo much, for sharing this...

:) means a lot, just to know you seen him...
we are hoping the best for his cabin... :)
just a tiny one, but it's his home... :)
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Aug 24, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
spooky lookin pic dave,

looks like a frickin wildfire tsunami coming over the ridge,

lots of insects and reptiles lost, squirrels are pretty quick,

bet there are stampedes of deer and bear trying to flee,

trees are in bad shape, bark beetles and warmer climate,

only good thing about clear cuts is they might help a bit in situations like this,

bad fire around the north merced a few years back will help out in that area,

backburn from Briceburg? sheesh! they must be getting desperate,

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 24, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
The latest MODIS is indicative of winds out of the north and northwest. The SE and ESE flank is openin up.
After Midnight the wind shifts from out of the east. This may not be good for the western flank near Groveland. Good news is that eastern winds won't last long.

Credit: Ward Trotter
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 25, 2013 - 05:59am PT

Credit: mouse from merced
Looks to be moving south by the direction of this ground plume.

Taken at 5:52 a.m. this morning by Brian B. Prompt.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:45am PT
Frisco declared an emergency because of this fire...I guess the "infractructure" is really "sound". Wait for the quake.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:10am PT
sooo a lady yesterday asked a friend about the FOG that had invaded the area. REALLY? FOG?>?>>>???



and he said~~~"heeeeeres yur sign".....
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 08:26am PT
The 170k acres must have been an error or a bad guess, as Inciweb has this at 133,980 acres 7% contained. What a relief that this thing is slowing down a little.

Winds at 20mph from the SW though!

MODIS maps show expansion toward Big Oak Flat, which is worrisome. Expansion on the SW side along Pilot Ridge is fairly slow, but it is coming down the N fork of the Merced -- we saw this yesterday from Smith Station Rd.



Forgot to close the windows in the middle of the night. Yuck. I don't even want to think about what you guys up wind are dealing with.


On another note... why does all of San Francisco think that 100% of it's water comes from Hetch Hetchy?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:29am PT
It is thick enough round here to cause a minor temp inversion. Which of course fills the bowls/velleys with dense smoke. Happens a lot with these big prick fires.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:31am PT
SF is a classy town and they need to think they are drinking a classy glass of water.

Evian I know that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:31am PT
BAaadaBUMP!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:40am PT
wanted to take the time to talk about the crews on this fire. Long hikes daily, heavy gear weight, insufferable smoke intake day after day after day.

Some of these crews have gone way past recommended times on the line, but in dire circumstances, they will drop the safety requirements back some to accommodate needs. So if you see some fireman that seem to be draggin azz, its because they truly are beat. You get to a point where you just act on auto pilot. May the FORCE be with them...
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:22am PT
water ya thinkin', sayin' sumthin like that?
Duke

Social climber
PSP
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:44am PT

Surface Winds

http://hint.fm/wind/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Nice WIND map!^^^^


And ZB,, Huh?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:09am PT
SF water is bomber! Man, you get back inside your rent controlled fresh from seeing some street side homosexual fornifications, and nothing but the crystal clear of the ALPINE country will quench that repressed homosexual fire. Let's keep it that way, huh?

Gotta respect a city that's been effectively steering the resources for hundreds of miles around since '49. 18, that is. Made NV its bitch, the history books do tell.

Anyhow, this fog has got me down too. I hope the marine layer clears up soon here in Reno.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Hahaha.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Well, pilgrim, it's what Hollywood drinks on the set;
ya know--that water from Sierra Eastside and the Big O.

And they have North Hollywood, like Castro in SF, ya bet;
but they have a long ways yet to go, to catch a fart in ol' Frisco.

ANY NEWS ON THE FIRE?

Do they need some Evian on the lines?

"And ZB,, Huh?"

Give it time, Ron, and his message might sink in. Don't want to drain your mental battery so fast. read my grin
abrams

Sport climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:28am PT
Crystal blue perfect skies south west of the fire.

I'm sure this sort of pollution is breaking dozens of federal and state laws.


Credit: abrams



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:38am PT
That marine layer is a quirky thing, man. Why, it isn't even coming off the ocean in your here map. Queer as a three dollar bill, you ask me.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 11:44am PT
120 is still closed at Ferretti but Buck Meadows residents are being allowed back in.

Meanwhile Westboro Baptist: "PRAISE GOD for His fierce, fiery wrath! Let's sing joyfully!"


I would invite them to experience the great glory of their god say slightly NE of Hetch Hetchy. It'll be rapturous, fer sure.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT
Really, WBC said that?

I'm not into hating, but those people push me right up to the edge with their words and actions.

Positive thoughts beamed out for those affected.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Someone should TORCH westboro club houses. On a very windy day..Our own taliban version wanna bes.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Burning down Westboro would surely fill them with joy.


Wind has shifted markedly enough to fill our valley with smoke. My weather station says it's from WNW, but usually we have different patterns because of our position. Other stations have show a S or SW wind (meaning going N/NW). Ya never know.

Everyone in Greeley we've talked to is super paranoid about the southern expansion down Pilot Ridge. Many were here in 1987 and know to remain on alert. Things can change very rapidly... and you know, I didn't put this together until just now -- at it's peak the fire was moving 3 miles an hour.

In that worst-case scenario we'd have like 2-3 hours.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
K,, not to be a pain,, but that ISNT the worst case scenario by a long shot. This is still a big and very capable beast. If it gets wind driven you may not have an hour. Stay on yur toes..


PS, i stand by my thoughts of westboro kooks. I put them right in the same category as criminal gang scum. DNA we can do without reproducing.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 25, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
hey there say, khanom...


oh my, as to this, yeah, you don't really realize in these terms:

Everyone in Greeley we've talked to is super paranoid about the southern expansion down Pilot Ridge. Many were here in 1987 and know to remain on alert. Things can change very rapidly... and you know, I didn't put this together until just now -- at it's peak the fire was moving 3 miles an hour.

In that worst-case scenario we'd have like 2-3 hours

and even then, it could start a 'race' and kick it up a bit :O
wish it desired overnight parking, as its 'engine dies', and folks
can enjoy a huge victory for all these dangerous, loyal work and faithfully had gut-wrenching perseverance...
Jelf

climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Rim fire - Online map showing most recent perimeter and wind data

The following link will always display the most perimeter of the Rim Fire straight from the GeoMAC server. This is the same server that also provides data to the crews on the fire line. Sometimes the data on the InciWeb site is not as current as the data that comes from the GeoMAC server. (The InciWeb site gets its data from GeoMAC.)

The map also shows wind speed and direction. Note that the wind data is always 3 hours old.

For more information regarding this map, you can follow the “About” link in the upper left corner of the map.

http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/fires/2013_rim_fire_map.html

Joseph Elfelt, the Gmap4 guy
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
5:45 PM yesterday (top image) compared to 12:45 PM today
Credit: HighTraverse
Credit: HighTraverse
Yellow hasn't burned in more than 24 hours.
A lot less burning on the NW towards 108, A big move east past Mather Camp into Yosemite and a small move SE towards the Big Oak Flat park entrance,
Generally holding to the West, North, South and NE.
Not much movement along Pilot Ridge.

Lack of roads in the Yosemite area will greatly reduce crew access. But then there are few (no) structures to protect.
They spent all yesterday doing fire lines and back burns between the fire and Tuolumne City. That, and the wind direction seem to have made a big difference. To the NE, there is much less fuel load where the land rises to the granite domes.
Darwin

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT

This is well away from Chapman's, right?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
we have a strong SW wind going here today- up to 50 gusts.Hope its not like that below.!
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Darwin,
What I have heard about my brother Matt's place on Sawmill Mnt Rd is that the fire burned through there but they saved the structures.
Chappy
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
uh huh, uh huh - I like it. That's the way.

Run and get a bucket get the baby some water.

Apparently they finally found a good use for that plane they pulled out of Lower Merced Pass Lake. Glad to see that all that failed drug dealing has benefitted the real world.




Kidding aside, this is some serious sheeit. Wish I could help someway.


dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Anyone know what the real formula for that red fire retardant dust is?

Google says its ammonium phosphate which is what? An explosive? No.
Says fertilizer. Not flammable but irritating to people exposed.





khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
I haven't confirmed this, but word is that Greeley Hill is under an advisory evacuation order.

The source (a local woman posting to Twitter) said a "ranger" (FS?) walked into the Cafe here and told folks. A few phone calls supposedly confirmed this.

We are packing but optimistic. I will believe it when the sheriff shows up at our door.
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Credit: snowhazed

This is around 8 PM on 8/24 flying home to SF. I had been off the grid and hadn't heard a thing. Quite an intro
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 25, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Ron, you ever been creamed by retardant?

That shyt is death on paint, apparently.

We got plastered once on the Chowchilla River in '66 and the driver had me man the hose to clean it RIGHT NOW before it dried.

We also hit the District Ranger's green unit.

Pumper's the best gig going on a line, in my aged opinion.

I hated crawling through manzanita and PO in the dark because you had a lamp, but you couldn't avoid being poisoned. Not to mention sharp, pointy dead branches.

Thank Jesus for hard hats, too.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Mouse, yes ,, yes i have. I also watched a salvo load "save" an I-500 engine in Idaho once LMAO! Stripped everything off the truck- hose reels, mirrors, light bars, tool boxes you name it, broke all the glass out and it was 99% PANK! Same with a con crew that pulled right up to the head of a fire west of Carson city- right in the path of an incoming drop. All they did was scrub and clean on their rig for the next few hours..Shyts slick when wet!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 25, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
That NASTY old Borate stuff is no longer used
Borate salts used in the past to fight wildfires have been found to sterilize the soil and be toxic to animals so are now prohibited.[18] Newer retardants use ammonium sulfate or ammonium polyphosphate with attapulgite clay thickener or diammonium phosphate with a guar gum derivative thickener. These are not only less toxic but act as fertilizers to help the regrowth of plants after the fire. Fire retardants often contain wetting agents, preservatives and rust inhibitors and are colored red with ferric oxide or fugitive color to mark where they have been dropped. Brand names of fire retardants for aerial application include Fire-Trol and Phos-Chek.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Just what we need, bogus info. Called the Mariposa Sheriff's office and there is no evac advisory.

Everybody here is really jumpy!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 25, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
was lucky (old) enough to experience both borate and phoscheck species lol!

My first year or two they were still flying TBM Avengers out of Carson City. On a hot day they MIGHT make the take off without having to drop their load on some poor residence. That too happened.! But those guys got down on the deck.



edit: K thats GOOD news, hope things stay that way for all of ya!
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 25, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
hey there say, khanom.... oh, so good to hear this! say, perhaps keep a few things, though, ready... just in case...


wow, mark, i was so happy when dad called and let me know that, ...
was relieved through matt's adventure coming safely to somewhere,and the cabin being well, tops it off...


praying and hoping for many others now, too...
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Some of these crews have gone way past recommended times on the line, but in dire circumstances, they will drop the safety requirements back some to accommodate needs. So if you see some fireman that seem to be draggin azz, its because they truly are beat. You get to a point where you just act on auto pilot. May the FORCE be with them...

K,, not to be a pain,, but that ISNT the worst case scenario by a long shot. This is still a big and very capable beast. If it gets wind driven you may not have an hour. Stay on yur toes..

Two great points Ron.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 25, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
khanom, yr source wasn't far offbase: dogville getting ev'd.

A Mandatory Evacuation has been issued for residences north of Old Yosemite Road (Forest Road 2S01).
An Evacuation Warning has been issued for all residences north of Bull Creek Road (Forest Road 2S02), Bondurant Mine Road, Texas Hill Road, and Wampum Hill. The Mandatory Evacuation and Evacuation Warning has been issued by the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office. For more information please contact the Mariposa County Sheriff’s Office at: 209-966-5325.

as per inciweb
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Aug 25, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Rim Fire with cathedral lakes in the foreground. Taken on Saturday &#4...
Rim Fire with cathedral lakes in the foreground. Taken on Saturday (yesterday)
Credit: Chris McNamara

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
klk, yeah... it may be there was some misunderstanding among officials discussing what to evacuate when and somebody just jumped the gun. Not helped by twits on twitter.

That area is just SE of us (in fact we came close to buying a property on Bondurant Mine Rd). The concern is of course that once it gets south of us it will tend to want to torch Greeley. This is exactly the scenario everybody here has been worried about since it crossed 120.
the albatross

Gym climber
Flagstaff
Aug 25, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Sikorsky Sky Crane S-64F
Sikorsky Sky Crane S-64F
Credit: the albatross


This is one of the tools that firefighters use on wildland fire. If there is a water source nearby these beasts are very handy, particularly for structure protection. They deliver up to 1200 gallons or more per drop.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 25, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Go to Rim Fire last update from command central shows maps as of 09 00 am Aug 25
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Following along and wishing the best to Erik and the rest of the people in the area. I wonder how the non humans are doing.
Edit below,
Thanks SteveW
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
it's rushing the papercabin-duckwall line. crews pulled back and they're dumping on paper cabin ridge

scanner here:

http://incidentfeed.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=64&Itemid=74

Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
The recent winds out of the north has gotten the SE cooking. The winds have shifted back to the SW, which is probably somewhat good news, in the overall scheme of things-- it will have the effect of pushing the fire in a direction , NE, where the fuel profile is scarcer. But it will also inflame the due north areas , which will be a replay of a few days ago. At least now firefighters and residents have had time to regroup there.
Terrible thing about the SE flank is the abundance of primo fuel.
Be a shame if more sequoias get nailed.
Hope the wind doesn't shift to the north anytime soon


Credit: Ward Trotter
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:39pm PT

Joey
Usually the animals just move out of the fire's way.
In some cases they'll get caught just like the Arizona hotshots
did, but research from the Yellowstone fires of 1988 showed
most animals survived without any issues.

Hoping that they get this thing under control (or rain or snow
falls soon)!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
it's rushing the papercabin-duckwall line
Another new one for me. Roughly where is that?

The advantage of the SW winds is it will help keep the fire away from Greeley hill etc.
To the NE the fire's running up onto the granite where the fuel is much less dense.
bob

climber
Aug 25, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
Here is a pic from Sherlock Rd, just off of Whitlock near Midpines. Whoa
Credit: bob
This evening around 6:30
Bob Jensen
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Another new one for me. Roughly where is that?

it's the line they set in the canyon below tuolumne city in hopes of turning it back toward the clavey. if it breaks that line the contingency line is basically 108, and that means a whole lot of stuff up in smoke. seriously, if it jumps that line, then pondo hills and possibly everything up to miwuk are gonna get hard evacs.

sounds like they got heliloads dumped on the saddle down on paper cabin ridge, and its calmed down.

props to the folks who are spending the night on the dozer line down there in hell as that smoke plume falls back.

SalNichols

Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
Aug 25, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
The scale of this thing is mind boggling, and the tools used to fight it seem almost inconsequential. How much area does 1200 gal of retardant cover anyway?
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
An old friend that i used to work with in the Meadows, took this video of a DC 10 dropping the orange right over his place in Tuolumne co.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HS05Bw7rR0
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
We've now adopted a fire crew and truck from San Diego. They're here doing reconnaissance and playing deep backup to the main lines. They pulled into the big driveway of out-of-towner's second home to sleep for the night.

Nice Guys. One of them is a serious climber. We gave them showers and birthday cake.
Mtbphoto

Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes, Ca
Aug 25, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Drove over Sonora Pass this evening. Never been over it before, but it was a ghost town, no surprise though. The smoke got so bad we were coughing with all the windows rolled up in the car.
Saw about 20 firetrucks including 5 or so trailers with bulldozer on them. Also lots of "Thanks Firefighters" signs which I am sure are much appreciated.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Unofficially 143k acres. (edit: officially now)

Wind at both smith peak and PML weather stations is NW. Good for Tuolumne City but bad for us and YNP. Don't need the internets to tell me about the wind shift, just sniff the air.

At least the winds are much calmer.


Edit: I'm not sure where we'll go if we have to leave.

Credit: khanom
Tobia

Social climber
Denial
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:59am PT
Erik,
Best of luck to you; prayers sent. I know you have worked hard to get that place established.

Certainly some kind tacoians will offer you a safe haven; just don't wait too long to get out.

Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:22am PT
Berkeley Camp is lost to the flames. Last night fire was 1/4 mile away from Bill and Lauren Nickell's place, The Sunset Inn. Haven't heard this morning if it's still there.

The latest thermal imaging map shows huge increase in hot spots throughout Evergreen Road going to Hetch Hetchy.

Looks like fire is going up Frog Creek towards Laurel Lake, a favorite haunt of mine and nita's.

Another favorite spot, Cottonwood Road that goes to the Clavey looks bad as well.

More hot spots showing up on the southern end near Pilot Peak, the divide between Tuolumne and Merced watersheds.

This is looking really bad.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:41am PT
Yesterday afternoon 5:30 PM PDT
Credit: HighTraverse
This morning, 0715 PDT. 14 hours later
Credit: HighTraverse
It's gobbling up the hills on the south bank of Hetch Hetchy. Has obviously jumped the road there.
Moving east of Mather Camp in the Park in a big way.
Right up to 120 and the Park boundary outside the Big Oak Flat entrance.
More movement up Pilot Ridge and NE towards Hell's Mt. Looks as if there was major spotting up there.

Great thing about Yosemite is there are so few back roads. All wilderness. Great until you have to fight a fire. No way to get enough men/women in there for effective backfires. Which aren't much use in heavy timber anyway. So it's up to hotshot crews, where it's safe, (let's not forget Arizona a few weeks ago) and the aerial attack. But also very few structures to have to protect.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:17am PT
From my friend in Twain Harte...sorry if this is a repost.

Remember - BBQ for the firefighters. The BBQ is in the parking lot of Coldwell Banker Realty at 5:30 this evening. If you want to help or bring food you can call Danelle Rodgers at 743-4226.


https://www.facebook.com/thankyourimfirefirefighters
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Sunset In 'n' Out Burgers.

Lookin' to the future with the Cooking Channel's Lauren Nickell.

"Everybody got some change comin' sometime. I gave you TEN dollars, Bill."--TM Herbert just weeks after his sex change next year (what a bitch)

If I were to predict serious sh#t, it would happen. Seriously.

Best of the future, Bill, Lauren, Andy.

Count yer blessings (I'm sure you must)
And count yer chickens (boom or bust).

That BOOM! is the sound of those large pines in back.

Paint It Black.
10b4me

Ice climber
Wishes-He-Was-In-Arizona
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:25am PT
Let's hope the wind does not come straight out of the west
Seems like Hetch Hetchy will serve as a barrier.
Adamame

climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:41am PT
The fire has already moved past Hetch Hetchy.
Greg Barnes

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Tuolumne, yesterday about 2pm:

Credit: Greg Barnes

The view from the base of East Cottage dome about 3pm:

Credit: Greg Barnes

Close up:

Credit: Greg Barnes

Crystal clear - for yesterday at least!

Credit: Greg Barnes

Still pretty much smoke-free past Glen Aulin:

Credit: Greg Barnes

The view from 120 near White Wolf around 7pm:

Credit: Greg Barnes
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:08am PT
^^^^^^ dyamn!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:20am PT
Good pics, bro!

Happy you got to enjoy the mountain air, too.

From KQED, the home of raider scum. Trash-talking, you bet.
Wednesday, 8-21-13.
Wednesday, 8-21-13.
Credit: (Dan Brekke/KQED)
Same peaceful spot in May, FWIW; the big long sunset-viewing turnout above Wawona Tunnel.
On 5-11-13.  Sunset.
On 5-11-13. Sunset.
Credit: mouse from merced
It won't get burned again. Or will it?


WML

climber
Edge of the Electric Ocean Beneath Red Rock
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:21am PT
Great shots, Greg. We were up there on Friday and it was great, then the smoke rolled in. Wandered down to Mammoth for fear of getting skunked by the smoke. Good to see it wasn't heinous!
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Let's hope the wind does not come straight out of the west

actually, if there's gonna be wind, everyone is hoping it does come out of the west. any other direction and there's gonna be major residential and commercial destruction and probably folks dyin.

better to hope for no ambient winds and a whole lot of monsoon moisture but w/o the lightning.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Probably toast.
Probably toast.
Credit: mouse from merced
This was in May.
Same ridge, forest service road just off Hardin Flat Rd. to the south.
Same ridge, forest service road just off Hardin Flat Rd. to the south.
Credit: mouse from merced
Kiss it goodbye.

Edit: I just got off the phone with the Rev, who has no computer, so he hadn't heard the news about Berkeley Camp.

His words: "Holy shit!" As I posted earlier, the Nickells are fine; daughter Amy has moved back to her place on Ferretti Road for a couple of days now. Denise's and her mom's are fine, according to the Rev if Amy has been allowed back to the same neighborhood about a mile or so distant.

He has promised to call and let me know any news he hears from now on.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Relatively quiet here today.

Here's the briefing map for today in PDF form showing fire lines, divisions, proposed dozer lines, etc. Very informative!

http://yubanet.com/Briefing_Day_Esize_land_20130825_2141_Rim_CA_STF_2857_150dpi.pdf
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Khanom

Great post. The CC [Central Command] would like the people to go to that site for information. They have been having problems with everyone on Facebook, twitter and calling in since it is screwing up [overloading] their communications. People getting wrong info and spreading incorrect information. They had one guy call in from the UK and asked if his daughter who lived in Modesto is OK. So they are trying to get the word out go to their site that you just posted and will get correct info. That is one.

Nice job
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
Fire progression map. Click for really big version.





Lost, that's all well and fine but inciweb is borderline USELESS except for those not actually affected. There is no central source of information that is updated frequently enough to be of use to those who might actually have to evacuate. To say the public shouldn't post information on the web is ridiculous. Many of us are trying to be informed and prepared so we can be ready to deal with anything that happens and frankly the very best way to get accurate information is on Facebook. I have the Groveland, Rim Fire, Mariposa Sheriff's page, etc open all the time.

And who are you to say "central command" wants something. Are you speaking in some kind of official capacity?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 26, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
hey there say, timid... sad to hear that... will and am, still praying...
and a hey there, out to khanom...

say, mouse... thanks for the updates... and prayers,for all of them...

i keep checking in and hoping for better news, :(



wow, it (fire) is like 'looking for any and all' ways to 'feed itself'
bad bad... :(

dear god, please just let up 'up and fall over' like a dead bug...
and go no more... oh my...


nita, wonderful to hear a post to give out info for helping the firemen...
you are always so refreshing and how much more so, in the midst of this fire...
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Khanom

Problem is people are people and they panic. They have their act together and will be there and tell people to leave or not to leave. People are giving out incorrect info on the web. It is also tying up communications because they cannot get through fast enough. Like everyone is on the phone, when they had the earthquake in Northridge phones went down because everyone was on them. They need to get access so they can reverse 911 to call you. In some cases they can not get through.

Here is yesterdays

Credit: lostinshanghai

Credit: lostinshanghai

Credit: lostinshanghai

Credit: lostinshanghai

Credit: lostinshanghai

Believe me they will give plenty of time to tell you in person when to leave or not to leave.

Let the professional people do what they are there for.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
hey there say, feralfae... wow, i DID SEE THIS message from you... just now...


i was babysitting so just dropped in fast here to 'post and run'
:)



already posted, that he got out, with help from good friends...
:)



as to this:
Neebs, I'll email you in a while when I get back from coffee and breakfast with friends from Sweden, who are cycling through today on their way to Kamloops.


hope to hear from you soon.... god blesss...





GREG, thank you for the photos here... sure wish they were REAL rain clouds and not fire clouds, :(



once again, too, mouse, i am rooting for your friends...

say, if you know the nickels, well, THANK them for taking care of matt, when they did, and i hope all will be well for them...
all for now...
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Believe me they will give plenty of time to tell you in person when to leave or not to leave.

not certain that I would believe that, especially if a you say, they can't get through on reverse 911.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
On their web site

“Due to high demand, this Web site may become unresponsive. We are working to address these issues. Thank you for your patience.”

INCIDENT UPDATED 54 MIN. AGO

So you can see where the problem is, I agree that you want information and I say that their will be someone with a crew there if the case comes to it.

And yes Central Command told the news that very thing this morning on the radio so listen to 92.7 as well.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
“Due to high demand, this Web site may become unresponsive. We are working to address these issues. Thank you for your patience.”
Unfortunately that message has been at the top of the website for MONTHS (as long as I've been using it)
So it's pretty hard to say what it really means.
The "last updated" time always makes sense when I check the page.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Jay and Khanom, thanks for the mappage, there.

The current map shows the fire's almost on Bill's doorstep. The black x between the "a" and "n" in Branch III is the location, before their section of Hardin Flat Road gets to Crocker Meadow or Rush Creek.

I see little hope, unless the fact there's a large meadow there for staging at the Inn, not to mention a turnaround for large equipment, can help out the crews.



HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Since this morning all the activity seems to be on the SE side. Moving quickly towards White Wolf
Also growing SE just N of the Big Oak Flat entrance. A spot fire on Crocker Ridge.
Not much growth on the other fronts where they can get equipment and boots on the ground and use backfires to contain it.
Odd that it's moving SE with a SW wind. I suppose it's being driven by topography, up the Tuolumne River basin.
MODIS update 30 minutes ago
Credit: HighTraverse
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
mouse
unfortunately it looks as if west section of Hardin Flat Rd got toasted end to end yesterday and Saturday. And there's still a lot of burning along it.
The fire crews are of course doing everything they safely can to protect property.
Good luck to your friends.

EDIT: that would be the west section of Hardin Flat Rd. East section not so bad, yet.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
Hardin Flat road area.
Remember yellow squares haven't burned in last 24 hours.
Credit: HighTraverse

Also, the squares are really giant PIXELS centered at the dot. No way to tell what's going in inside a square. After all the MODIS satellite is 705 Km above.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
Lost, you are either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid, and I find your attitude infuriating.

I'm inclined to think stupid if you really think that message on inciweb is some indicator of public panic. That website exists precisely to "inform the public". Only they can't do even a half-assed job of it. Why do you think half of Greeley Hill makes the daily drive up to Smith Station road to see Pilot Ridge burning for themselves and so they can tell the other half what's going on?

Do you really think that anybody around here is just going to sit watching reruns of Heehaw waiting for the cops to herd us out like sheep?

"Believe me they will give plenty of time to tell you in person when to leave or not to leave."

Are you fukin kidding me??


Ya know what everyone here tells me? We're on our own. Don't expect to be warned and don't expect the fire trucks to come rolling in to save the day. These are people who work for fire agencies who have been here for decades. They are also some of the people I run into driving around assessing the fire situation for themselves. And no, we are not getting in the way because there are no "professionals" to be seen around here.

No offence, but I'm a little more inclined to believe them than some random dude on the internet.


BTW, is there a reason you post unreadable photos of yesterday's map while not answering my question about your "professional" capacity?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Credit: HighTraverse
Big Oak Flat entrance.
So far, nothing near Tuolumne or Merced groves.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Mouse

Just called them, left a message hope they are OK. My truck is packed and ready to go was go to use it on my property but safe since I have the whole state and some across the street. As for Bill for me to get in there would have to go through Mariposa; have foam that will help out for their ground and that will help and as for their structures a little tricky for the fire retardant it lasts for 24 hours and needs to be applied at the right time.

Still checking

By the way for the best source of news are these guys, thought about spraying them, better news crews coming in now.

Credit: lostinshanghai
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
By the way for the best source of news are these guys

Now we really know you're a dumbass. Or troll?


And hey, shouldn't you be leaving that to the pros?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
As for how often they update the Inciweb site. The managers on the ground have plenty to do assimilating incoming information and directing the fire crews and air resources.
They have direct contact with county Sheriff, CHP, county emergency services, etc. Also very likely the local CERT teams. That's how they'll get out the info when people need to evacuate. On the ground, door to door.
The Inciweb site is really for the press and us bystanders.

The MODIS satellite info is a major source of info for them.
There is also, on site, a Fire Behaviorilist. This person is usually an experienced wild land fire fighter with specialized training in fire behavior. They work out their fire forecasts from MODIS, weather, fuel moisture, vegetation type, soil type, creeks, ponds, etc. They use modeling software. They give up to the minute forecasts to the Incident Commander. (A neighbor did this on the big Croy fire behind Gilroy about 10 years ago. He felt that the results he got from the models were largely accurate and invaluable)
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
khanom,

I agree that you should look out for yourself. Dunno if the fire is threatening your place, but, if it is, this is what I would do: Keep everything as wet / moist as possible, especially the roof and eaves of your house-- embers getting sucked up from the column and thrown from the main fire landing in fruitful ground is how big fires get bigger. Fires throw fire out in front and then draw towards the new heat. Or, they also back into good fuel. In any event, there is a lot you can do.

I know from your posting that you have some sort of farm?? It's unlikely that you would have to evacuate because of any real danger to yourselves, as opposed to being evacuated en masse because you live where you live.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
I'm sure khanom knows exactly what to do and when to do it.
The uncertainty of the fire behavior would wear on anyone's nerves after this length of time.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
That was a joke guess you do not look at my posts sometimes. Spraying them with what?

Stay safe, problem in the morning people not wearing masks all the hospitals here are filled no room because of the smoke. Moisture dew plus smoke for the lungs is good for you.

That is a joke. Take it serious a few years from now people will have some issues.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
Fire behavior is pretty predictable . This fire will make big runs until monsoonal moisture arrives. It's just weather at this point.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
yeah, all of the maps run behind depending on sat passes and the different kinds of software.

you can listen to the scanners if yr trying to stay current. if it really blows up, the hotlist threads will prolly have more timely stuff, although some of it will be wrong.

you can get a sense of what the convection is doing from some of the webcams.

plume-dominated fires are notoriously unpredictable, and this one is an especially spectacular one in really bad terrain. anyone offering firm predictions on anything is a fool.



WBraun

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
anyone offering firm predictions on anything is a fool.

I firmly 100% predict the fire will still be burning tomorrow ........
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
Lost.. Khanom is right in the middle of it. He is concerned about his property and life. And his neighbors and friends. And has been for days now. So perhaps you could understand if he missed your very slim joke.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 26, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
I firmly 100% predict the fire will still be burning tomorrow ........

heh
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 26, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
here's a progression map from 1230 today:

http://goldrushcam.com/sierrasuntimes/index.php/photos/photo-of-the-day/9632-rim-fire-near-yosemite-national-park-progression-map-for-monday-august-26-2013
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
Last I heard fire is heading north. Most likely from winds from the south pouring down rain to the East. That means I just heard. People that are in the area [spotters].
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Eight days of wondering if you've prepared enough, worrying over friends, worrying over your business and all the businesses around here that buy from us (but aren't now)... whatever sense of humor I had went up in smoke some time last week. Sorry.

And it's far from over. Some say this will burn until winter.

This is our first year on this property and the first time we've lived in fire country. We applied some common sense and thought we kinda got what we needed to do. But holy mackerel, did we not understand the magnitude of the preparation necessary. In the course of working like crazy to get the business up and running all the normal stuff that everyone else around us was doing kinda slipped by. We did the basics, but until today if a fire hit this area or anywhere immediately south of us we'd have probably lost the house. That's my inexpert assessment anyway.

Basically I'm taking my cue from the people who have gone through the bigger fires before. You can tell who was here in 1987 because they are the ones driving around with their cars all packed.

It would be oh so easy to get complacent and say the danger is behind us, but then I look at those folks and they are not letting their guard down one second. They also say this is the most unpredictable and unusual fire they've ever seen. It spread out in all directions and continues to go south and west even in the face of strong winds. Fuel moisture is like 2%.

The folks to the NE are far and away in more danger than us and, well, we worry about that too.



Edit: In case it wasn't clear, the impact of this fire on local businesses is absolutely devastating. Everybody was counting on the next few weeks to "make" the season. With no access to YNP from this side, and Strawberry cancelled, it might as well be October already. The impact for us is less, but we have lost tons of business because the restaurants aren't buying and the market was cancelled. Please please please the next time you drive to Yosemite stop in town for a bite to eat, hit the farmer's market, maybe even stay in town a night.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
I wish the best to those whose lives and property are threatened. Hell, it's a real pisser being in one of the collecting basins for that fire's smoke up here in Reno, that's bad enough. The stress of being in the path of destruction like those folks are sucks big time.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/26/news-opinion/united-states/yosemite-rim-fire-reaches-jewish-summer-camp

I was kinda hoping that the oak that dropped its limb on the counselor would get burned, but that's even stupider than the bickering here.

UNITED, Guys.

Too much stress, that's the truth, Jeequues B. Bombed.

Khanom, L.I.S. is a hyper-sensitive guy, only trying to help relieve our woes. Give each other a hug and let's just stay on alert.

I've accepted the loss of the Inn. I knew it was gone in my bones this morning.

For all the guys here who've given good dope, maps, and encouragement to both us sideliners and the heaviest losers, thank you, God bless you, too.

I'm not done grieving, there'll be time later on for that.

My load's not nearly what that of Lauren's (and many others) must be. She might surprise me, though, she's an unflappable personality, resourceful, and savvy--and she's been through all this before, except for the ending, of course.

So...best of luck with the new cooking show, gal.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Aug 26, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
On this evening's NPR, they had Conrad Anker's relation (brother?) interviewed from Priest Station talking about the loss of business in what should be the money making last weeks of summer.

Best of luck to you, Khanom and still hoping Bill and Lauren's livelihood at Sunset Inn is saved.

We are having an YNP employee refugee coming over tomorrow. She has been back packing the PTC in Oregon and can't get home to her place in Hodgdon Meadows.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Khanom

Sorry for not cutting you some slack. Thursday I was in Sacramento and girlfriend called saying about Tuolumne going to be evacuated and was not concerned just then until she called back 10 minutes later and updated info then left got to my studio and loaded my truck with a machine that is usually not for putting out fires but a few modifications can save a couple of structures mostly mine. So I can understand your concerns. I was going to stay even though we were in evacuation mode for 48 hours.

A lot of things to think about that’s for sure. What about your goods or personal property in your house, do you leave the lights on, lock or unlock the doors, what about drifters stealing your most valuable things that you could not stuff into the car. Insurance or none?

We were lucky. Gov. Brown sure had his s&it together and we got it. No National Guards but would have been next if we had to go. Have noticed all the druggies and homeless packed up and gone. But they will be back soon.

Taking a guess a few hundred sheriffs and Highway Patrol. Then for the fire fighters coming and going, sleeping and eating around 1,500.

Tuolumne is in lock down well only to the people who live here; we can move and do what we do every day. The casino is helping out so I can imagine how they feel with no ding, ding going on. Business’s all around the corridor is stopped and can imagine all theirs woes as well.

Anyway sorry for the snap just wish that storm to the east could move its way west.

Reason they picked our town is because easiest to the fires or they pretty much know. Then again things always change.

There are three other maps that fire guys look at posted one will try to blow up opps make larger.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:16pm PT

Mouse, Is the above news a fact?..Is that what Mathis told you?

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Conrad's brother Steve and sister Denise run Priest Station. It's been in the family for at least 3 generations.
Now more than ever, this is a great place to eat on way to/from Yosemite.
I'll definitely stop in Groveland proper more often.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
hey there say, mouse, sorry to hear that, as nita wonders, so do i...
is it really gone, the inn?? how is the family, may they stay safe...

:(


also, khanom... i did not realize the FULL punch of loss of business, as to this crucial time frame... i only knew the tail-end, :O ...

wish i could help, later, when folks need it... will think ahead, and keep praying...

rigth now, please know, you are in my prayers...
hopeing your ranch will make it...
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
No, nita, honey.

the Lost Mouse knows how to read maps. I see very poorly the small letters, so I just looked at section lines. One runs down to the label Branch III on the map from yesterday that the Lost Vet in Tuolumne posted, and I compared that to the one from today that Khanom posted, or I think that was the one.

"Too many Silvas," they say in the Portuguese community here.

In our little campfire of watchers and waiters and players, there is a plethora of maps and unless you are used to seeing them it is a bit confusing, especially when a Mouse feels his age by being a little blind.

Keep smilin', you two. I'm cryin' inside, fer sure.

I been knowing (as they say in the redneck comminity here) the Nickells since the mid-seventies, just before the plane ditched in the high country with the weed cargo.

Like you two, there are memories involving me, my daughter, numerous friends and adventures and many-many Budweisers.

Ten minutes ago.  The beast's cloud has moved southeast relative to my...
Ten minutes ago. The beast's cloud has moved southeast relative to my position.
Credit: mouse from merced

This one shows the area south of the plume.  That is probably sitting ...
This one shows the area south of the plume. That is probably sitting right over the 120 entrance station. "That's twenty dollars, please."
Credit: mouse from merced
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
neebee, :)

It's all right Ma, I'm only bleedin'.

Short memories around here.

The Ferguson Slide last decade on 140 devastated the Mariposa economy.

At least the Mariposans are reaping the grain the folks on 120 were expecting from tourons.

It's not Tuolumne County South, however.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 26, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
it looks like duckwall held today--

really good news on the t city flank.

John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Just because it burned through that area doesn't mean the inn burned. The Tuolumne Family camp burned because the fire crowned when it passed the camp , and the camp was overgrown. The firefighters couldn't stop it because it burned at 2 Am, so no aircraft support.

If they were able to douse that area around the inn with fire retardant, then it could still be okay.

Inciweb says that as of 8 Am this morning that 24 structures have been lost to date, but I believe that includes outbuidlings. Its hard to know if that includes Tuolumne Family camp, or what that really means.

Here is a webpage with a video of the family camp.

http://wawonanews.com

John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
uolumne is in lock down well only to the people who live here; we can move and do what we do every day. The casino is helping out so I can imagine how they feel with no ding, ding going on. Business’s all around the corridor is stopped and can imagine all theirs woes as well.

Lost.. Sounds like you are in Tuolumne city. I hope that they can stop the fire before it gets to you.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
Mouse, We haven't heard contrary so will still be pulling for them and remain optimistic. The trees may burn but the fire fighters will do everything they can to save their place.

that's our hopes and we're stickin' to them.

Credit: nita

Edit:TMJessie, did you see the video that Bob Newton( aka, Slow Bob ) put up with the spotter plane & DC10. here it is if you missed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HS05Bw7rR0
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
hey there say, nita... i will keep my hopes with you, then...

>:D<


say, as to ONE camp, mentioned, earlier, but wayyy back, in the evacuation
notices:

when we were kids, our folks took us to san jose family camp...

as you can see, we NEVER FORGOT the love of the greatoutdoors...

hope that ALL the camps will someday be 'well again'...
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
A little while ago I received a text that the fire was within 5 miles of Twain Harte.
murcy

Gym climber
sanfrancisco
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
[My quick estimates of the distance removed...]

Like a lot of us, I'm following closely and thinking about khanom and others in the heat of it.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 26, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
I get a bad feeling about this.

Credit: dave729
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
My annotated MODIS fire map as of 1945 today (15 mins ago)
Credit: HighTraverse
Not much advance in any direction.
Those firefighters must be damned near exhausted and in for another long night when the aerial attack is off.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Thanks, nita. I needed that big-time.

Think Hank Stamper.

"Never give a inch."--Ken Kesey

neebee, can you glom on to that ABC news link?

It reported Camp Tawonga and San Jose Camp were spared, while Berkeley Camp is flattened.

I hope the Rev's Camp Runamucka will not be threatened. You've seen the photos of how much growth he's gotten cleared.

Smart man, that Mathis.

I am calling him shortly.
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Mouse, I just watched that movie last night on netflix.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
LOVED THAT FINGER!
F10

Trad climber
Bishop
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Great weather and climbing in Tuolumne today,

Hopefully some headway is being made and everyone is safe
John M

climber
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
LOVED THAT FINGER!

LOL.. yep.. that was funny.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Aug 26, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
From my conversation with the Rev just moments ago.

Matt Chapman's garage is gone, with all his tools, and so it the barn.

The fire burned right up to Ferretti Road for about a mile but they stopped it there, not dead-stopped, though. There was an outbreak up the hill in one spot there that they managed to "beat down."

He drove out on Ferretti yesterday. I think he was checking Denny's house. The view from Ferretti is one of "complete devastation as far as the eye can see."

He spoke with Bill Nickell (two "L's", neebee, like in gill, silly)