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maverick01

climber
Oct 6, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
Yes, please do post Supermama, I have posted on Whitneyzone and Rockcreek Forum.

I am aware of the weather, if there is significant snow on the ground or a system
within 2 days of our exit, I will call this search off, safety of our group is my number
one concern. Mav
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 6, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
maverick 01 Is there any point in inviting people to search from facebook pages of hiking groups? I sent out MattGreenemissing poster several weeks ago to many places. Perhaps you know the best places/people to invite....


Do you plan to go anywhere near the Rettenbacher's grave site? I think that is the west side of Banner...



Vegasclimber, that is wonderful that you left a note for Matt on Mt Kilimanjaro (sp?). Do you have a photo of that you could post here?

Tiffany, glad you got some info re internet searches Matt did at library. Perhaps there will be info soon re his Hotmail account....

Tiffany and family, I know how hard it must be to keep up the energy to move forward with gathering information, at the same time that you are missing Matt. My thoughts are with you.
maverick01

climber
Oct 6, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
We need to get the word out every way possible and not limit ourselves to any
particular forums, many folks cancel at the last moment. We also need local folks
to transport us from the Mammoth Lodge to the trailhead, and pick us up Sunday
afternoon because of the goverment shutdown.


Need folks to please answer the following questions and include the answers when
sending requests to come on board.

Level of experience:
1- Backpacking on trail
2- Backpacking with some xcountry experience class 1-2)
3- Backpacking with xcountry experience (class 2-3), good, navigational skills
4- Backpacking with xcountry experience (class 3), peakbagging, snow travel
(climbing), glacier travel

Do you have any emergency signal devices: SPOT, SatPhone, PLB
Do you have a GPS?
Are you familiar with the Minarets? If yes, what areas have you been to, camped or climbed?
How many days can you come for?
List any medical (doctor, nurse, EMT, wilderness first aid course), SAR, law enforcement, or
military background?

We need all levels of people, the Shadow to Ediza corridor needs to be combed too.

Thanks,
Peter

PS Contact info pagoston@prioryca.org

pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 6, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
Maverick01 - This is a partial list of facebook pages I sent mattgreene missing poster to. I will include your above list of questions re hiking experience, etc. and tell them to contact you ----- where?

Mountainesque
Appalachian Trail (4 or 5 sites)
San Gorgonio Wilderness Assoc
Hundred Peaks assoc
The High Sierra
MLA
John Muir Trail
San Diego Hiking Group
Pacific Crest Trail
Backpacking
Mt Whitney
Calif Mountaineering Group
West Coast Mountains
Sierra Mountains Group
a bunch of nature groups

How about Mammoth newspaper?
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Oct 7, 2013 - 09:50am PT
Peter - should we ask for volunteers on Facebook? Do you need any gear?

1. Water purification tablets, water filter straws, micro filters, etc.
2. Compass, GPS (Inyo wilderness)
3. Trail tape, marker
4. Powerbars, MREs, Beverage pkgs, emergency food, etc.
5. Hex heater, stoves, etc.
6. Fire starters (wp matches, mag, etc.)
7. Binoculars
8. Tent, Bivy, Ponchos, etc.
9. Bear Cans
10. Water Bottles, camelbacks, etc.
11. Radios
12. Backpacks, dry sacks, etc.
13. Survival knifes
14. Medical/first aid kits
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 7, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
A view of the Ritter Range from Minaret Summit Oct. 5, 2013

Credit: crankster

Credit: crankster
granite_girl

Trad climber
Oakland
Oct 7, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
Probably not relevant to anything, but since tdg mentioned that it was part of the search history, it might be useful to know that New Belgium Brewing Company is a sponsor of the Dirtbag Diaries, a podcast available through iTunes. This is a podcast that someone like Matt is likely to have been familiar with.

Matt may have been googling New Belgium because he recently heard a reference to it through the podcast, or maybe they were sponsoring a deal.
maverick01

climber
Oct 7, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Peter - should we ask for volunteers on Facebook? Do you need any gear?

1. Water purification tablets, water filter straws, micro filters, etc.
2. Compass, GPS (Inyo wilderness)
3. Trail tape, marker
4. Powerbars, MREs, Beverage pkgs, emergency food, etc.
5. Hex heater, stoves, etc.
6. Fire starters (wp matches, mag, etc.)
7. Binoculars
8. Tent, Bivy, Ponchos, etc.
9. Bear Cans
10. Water Bottles, camelbacks, etc.
11. Radios
12. Backpacks, dry sacks, etc.
13. Survival knifes
14. Medical/first aid kits


Yes, use any media you can, forums have slowed down for the season. Anyone
volunteering needs to have backpacking experience, and they should already
have a lot of those basic items, thanks for you offer.
My main concern besides getting plenty of searchers is this system moving in later
this week, not the strength of it, but it may lay enough snow for the NFS and NPS to
close roads which they would usually do not do this early, but because of the gov
shutdown there will be no one to plough the roads if needed. Without the NF and NPS
sites being up it will be hard to get an update of the road conditions unless locals
check on the roads for us.
Let's hope for a warming trend starting this coming weekend and lasting through the
following one.
maverick01

climber
Oct 7, 2013 - 06:48pm PT

For those who have inquired about the search, and those who
may be considering it, please let me stress that if there is
a weather system due in before, during, or within 2 days of
our planned exit, the search will be called off. Let me strongly
emphasis again that safety here is my top priority, and I do
not intend to expose folks to any additional risks beyond the
ones already associated with this endeavor.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Oct 7, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
The areas that need to be searched are beyond just "backpacker experience."
Technical climbing experience should be there too, as the terrain is treacherous.

Maverick01, be careful with what you are doing....this kind of terrain is not for MOST people.
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Oct 7, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Maverick01...I will post the information...Please let me know if anything changes so I can repost changes if necessary.

Tiffany...do you want his on facebook?

Please be careful!

Supermama
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Oct 7, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Maverick01 and Tiffany...I think we should make a flyer for search party volunteers. I have taken the information I have from Maverick, but need more details:

When: time of arrival

Where: Physical meeting place

Do you want to have a brief meeting with all of the volunteers first? Did you contact Dan Watson to let him know? He may have a few suggestions. I can type something up and send it to both of you to see what you think.

May I add Cragman's climbing criteria as well? People need to know what they are up against.

Please let me know if you want me to work on this.


Supermama
maverick01

climber
Oct 7, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Cragman wrote:

The areas that need to be searched are beyond just "backpacker
experience." Technical climbing experience should be there too,
as the terrain is treacherous.

Maverick01, be careful with what you are doing....this kind of
terrain is not for MOST people.

Yes, understand your concern Cragman, which is why I am requesting
for searchers to include their experience levels. If all we get is
folks in the level 2-3 range, then they will search in such areas
accordingly, and not be placed or asked to do anything above their
experience levels.

Thanks,
Mav
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Oct 7, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Supermama....with all due respect, you're not helping by trying to round up volunteers to search.

What you are doing is inviting trouble...as I stated above, this type of terrain is NOT for most people. Just because someone has a heart for the situation, does not mean they are qualified.

I do not know who Maverick01 is, or whether he is qualified as well.

Putting out a general call to "backpackers" will have dire consequences. My advice is to stick to what you are qualified for, and please do not try to micro-manage a search from PA.
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
What is the level 2-3 range? Never heard of that one unless you are referring to 2nd-3rd class terrain.

Thank you Cragman for trying to talk some sense into these folks.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
While it is true that I have never been to Mammoth Lakes, there are scenarios (that have been discussed) in which Matt had an accident in more low laying areas, before he ever reached mountain heights. It seems like a hundred volunteers covering meadows etc wouldn't be enough to cover possible areas.

Since Maverick is requiring volunteers to inform him of their experience and abilities beforehand, he can assign them to the appropriate area based on that.

That sounds safe enough to me.

I think it is admirable that Maverick is gathering volunteers, granted at different levels, and that they will conduct a last search before the winter (assuming the weather cooperates.)

It would be wonderful to get closure on the mystery of Matt's disappearance.

Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Leave your "trail tape" at home . . . the last thing the Sierra need is more human impact.
Gene

climber
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
That sounds safe enough to me.

My respectful advice is to be careful. Be very careful in the Ritter Range and even its approaches this time of year. The mountains can be unforgiving. We all know that.

Wishing all touched by Matt the best,

g
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
pacarockhound, et al....you all need to understand that the trailed areas within the search area are used ALL summer VERY heavily by hundreds, if not thousands of backpackers.

These are NOT areas that need searching.

The areas in question are technical ground. Furthermore, sending people into harm's way without experience level, communication capability, etc., is simply a fool's venture.

I'll say this again....stick to what you know...leave the rest to those that do.

Yes, EVERYONE wants closure....but keep this in mind...we are searching for a deceased subject. ANYONE going into the backcountry is putting themselves at risk. The areas that need to be searched, need QUALIFIED personnel to do that.

Just because you want to help, and are perhaps getting impatient, does not mean even one INJURY, let alone someone's life, is worth risking.

EDIT: Just because some "scenario" has been "discussed" on this thread, much of it is utter bullsh#t. If you lived in the mountains, you might know that.
crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Oct 7, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
I follow High Sierra Topix and it seems to me Peter, aka, Maverick, has a good handle on SAR and Ritter Range environs. His posts on the search for Matt make a lot of sense. Obviously, the #1 priority is not contributing to a situation that adds additional victims.

The fact is, there's not one solid clue as to Matt's specific destination, or whether he even reached it. Matt may have experienced an accident/incident on low/moderate terrain on the approach or descent. People with cross-country experience could be just as useful as experienced climbers.

This assumes everyone is using SAR protocol of communication, etc,.

Cragman, I understand your points. I'm only suggesting people with strong backcountry skills who are not technical climbers could search off-trail/approach/descent areas.




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