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kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Also note on the map there is a pen mark in the intersection of Main and Old Mammoth over the traffic light icon. You would turn in that direction to go between Sherman Plaza and the car repair shop (or a lot of other businesses).

We don't know how exact the circle was drawn, but it marks a Thai restaurant, and also Skadi Restaurant, which doesn't seem like Matt's style: http://skadirestaurant.com/ Ironically, the MLPD station is nearby too. There's a ski shop and used bookstore across Chateau from the circle.

Tip: If you use Google Maps and the Street View feature, you can do a "virtual walk" of most streets in Mammoth.
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Oct 1, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Our first night in Mammoth , we met Matt at that Thai restaurant and it was his choice to go there.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
we met Matt at that Thai restaurant and it was his choice to go there.

My post 2 above was poorly worded. I meant that Skadi seemed to not fit Matt's style (but you know him best, and me not at all).

It sounds like the circle was for the Thai place: http://www.thaidup.net/ Do you know if he was a "regular"? I wonder if any of the staff recall Matt, or if a customer struck up a conversation with him? You'd think they would see and respond to the flyers, though.
Hikesfortheview

Social climber
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Well, that answers THAT mystery. As a side note, I saw climbers are looking for alternate plans since Yosemite is closed. That may mean more hikers/climbers in Mammoth?
10b4me

Ice climber
Soon 2B Flagstaff
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
^^^national forests are closed also.
TheMaster

climber
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
You can still go hiking on the backcountry trails. What are they going to do, post guards to keep people off the trails? I don't think so.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
While national forests are closed, one can still get into the Inyo National Forest, at least according to the person who answered the phone at the Mammoth Lakes Welcome Center this morning. The guy said that the Welcome Center was already closed and that facilities such as bathrooms in the National Forest would be closed, but that the road from Mammoth towards Devil's Postpile would still be open.

(One of the worst things about this shutdown is that it's hard to get info about its extent because those who would know are no longer there!)

But I've heard that though entrances to national parks and such have been closed, if a regular road goes into or through a national park or forest, one can apparently use it. The Inyo National Forest seems quite porous.

Edit: Fixed typo.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
National Forest are closed...

Which ones? Sequoia Nat Forest is wide open. All FS employees except fire and LEOs are on furlough, But at least for now you can drive on up to The Needles etc. and go climbing.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
Perhaps I should have said "officially closed" = no services, maybe no bathrooms, etc. I didn't necessarily mean "can't get into it" closed.

There may be some places, however, where some access roads are closed. For instance, it wouldn't surprise me if down here, in the nearby Angeles National Forest, the road to Chantry Flats had a bar across it -- it often does. But I don't know for sure, and short of going there it's hard to find out.

But the guy at the now-closed Mammoth Lakes Welcome Center specifically said that Minaret Summit road to Red's Meadow was open.
Hikesfortheview

Social climber
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
http://explore.visitmammoth.com/blog/bid/318407/Government-Shutdown-Causes-Yosemite-National-Park-Closure

Also check the Visit Mammoth facebook page. Lots of conversation going on over there. (including someone willing to work and get wilderness permits to peeps)
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
The list of climbs was a list Matt had with him that he and John were considering doing during there trip.
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Oct 1, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Tiffany,

Thanks for posting the pages of notes. Makes sense that the list of climbs was made before the trip – they make the assumption that one has a car. I’m sure they will mean much more to the climbers here, who will be able to tell, for instance, whether most of these climbs are usually done with a partner. Here are some observations from a non-climber.

-Very methodical guy, listing advantages and disadvantages of each climb!
-These appear to be for rock climbing routes in or around the Sierras – travel on snow or glaciers doesn’t appear to be mentioned. But as you say, they may help us figure out his thinking…
-Did Matt climb Fairview Dome and Bear Creek Spire on a previous trip? For those two, “done it before” is listed as a drawback.
-Advantages mentioned include classic climb, fun and easy for the grade, easy approach, the presence of other route options.
-Disadvantages mentioned include crowding, not being more than a scramble, done it before, long or difficult approach.

Were Matt’s notes in any sort of order, so one could tell which came first and which came later?
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
As of now, due to the government shutdown, the road to Devil's Postpile and Red's meadow is open to the public. The booth at the top of Minaret Vista is closed so you can drive through. The USFS campgrounds and rest rooms are all locked up. All employees except Forest Service fire and law enforcement are furloughed. Access to the back country is still good, pending weather conditions which are forecast to be clear for the next 10 days.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
Using combined knowledge of the terrain and Matt, can the list be sorted from most to least probable? (On the premise that some places may have a very small probability, but never zero).

Based on evidence, any place that's impractical to do in a single day without a car is very unlikely. "Done it before" are a less likely than new climbs, etc. What climbs on the list become the most likely?

Also, which of these climbs (unlikely or not) match up with torn out pages in his book, or photocopies?
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
Re Thai restaurant being circled on the map Matt had -

can someone in Mammoth make sure there is a flyer there, or speak to the people who work there to see if anyone spoke to Matt?
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 1, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
from Helga Walther, Oct 1st :

Someone posted on Supertopo that a hiker had written a trip report to the Minarets during the days Matt was there. I looked it up and "Anonymous" had already asked that hiker Andy (bottom of trip report) if he could contact the search team on Supertopo about possibly having met Matt on the trail. I added a post saying saying it would be great if this person did. He replied to my post and to Anonymous saying the following: Hi Anonymous. Thanks for your comment. I have been following the search for Matt on highsierratopix.com. Maverick, one of the moderators at HST, did an extensive search of the area and he posted details online. I didn't see anything while I was out there. I sincerely hope that he is found. Thanks

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Andy DOctober 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM
Hello Helga. I have been following the search on highsierratopix.com. I didn't see anything while I was there. I sincerely hope that he is found. Thanks, Andy.

COULD SOMEONE PASS THIS INFO ON TO THE SUPERTOPO GROUP SINCE I AM NOT SIGNED UP THERE. Thanks. Helga

Sorry if I missed this, but where did Maverick search and has it been included on google map of areas searched?
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Oct 2, 2013 - 10:51am PT
Hi Pacarockhound,

I think Andy D, the author of the trip report to the Minarets on "Sea to summit ultralight" (not here; his report was mentioned upthread) may have been mistaken about Maverick doing an extensive search in the area.

A search of HighSierraTopix shows that Maverick did participate in that site's long thread on Matt, in which various searches were described -- maybe that's what Andy D was thinking about? Here's the thread -- I think most of the same searches are reported here and that we have them on the map:

http://www.highsierratopix.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9790

But Maverick is also on here, you could ask him. :)


pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 2, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Hello Maverick,

Where have you searched and has it been included on the google map of places search and not searched?
maverick01

climber
Oct 3, 2013 - 12:36pm PT

Have not gone up, had planned to but haven't been able
to get time off from work. (2 jobs, very hard to get time off)
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Oct 4, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
maverick01 - understood!
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