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rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
Those missing persons stats, like so many, are highly suspect in that agencies
that stand to benefit from increased funding are not likely to correct
those numbers when the person shows up later.

I don't think it is really appropriate to introduce this element into this thread. I would suggest that this type of material be brought up in your own thread.

I will not respond to any other posts of this nature. Let's keep this thread on track.
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
I can say categorically that agencies don't get funding for missing persons. They take a lot of time and resources, with no reimbursement.

Mono County SAR is a very professional, committed, and experienced team. They were advised of the circumstances when Matt was first reported missing. They are all volunteers. There is nothing they want to do more than search and find missing persons or rescue those in trouble. But Mono County is 3300 square miles, all of it rural and remote. The possible areas Matt could have gone to encompass several other counties, all with their own SAR teams. Without knowing which trailhead he went to, there is virtually no way to begin a search over such a widespread area. The campground he was staying in is located in the Town of Mammoth Lakes. It is not a remote location with trailheads nearby. Shortly after Matt was reported missing, it it was determined that a possible location would have been in the Ritter or Banner areas, which are outside of Mono County, the SAR team conducted a training exercise in those areas in the hopes they would get fortunate and find clues.

With the lack of information of where Matt may have gone, coupled with the delay in learning he was missing, Mono County SAR should not be criticized for doing enough.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
^^^^^^
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Oct 31, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Mono County SAR should not be criticized for doing enough.

Having run a SAR team for the NPS myself, I could not agree enough.
Dan Watson

climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Nov 1, 2013 - 01:44am PT
Oops, I meant to say that the Mono County SAR should not be criticized for NOT doing enough.

LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:04am PT
Kenish, thanks for your excellent summary. Dan, thanks for your good points re Mono SAR.

Assuming Matt is in some location that can be searched, I think what we need now are (a) more evidence, for instance, regarding his destination, (b) more luck than we've been having, and (c) what may be hardest, the patience to wait until after the snow season...

T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Nov 1, 2013 - 02:26am PT
I can say categorically that agencies don't get funding for missing persons.
Mono County SAR is ... all volunteers.
Who had the Blackhawk out there then, some good samaritan that happens to own a helicopter?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 1, 2013 - 03:07am PT
Who had the Blackhawk out there then, some good samaritan that happens to own a helicopter?

That almost exactly describes it. That was Sam.
SplitPants

Social climber
LA
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Given the circumstances I think EVERYONE has done a wonderful job in the search for Matt. Hats off to SAR, everyone that went boots on the ground like Cragman (I am sure I am missing some names so my apologies) and everyone on this thread that has poured their heart and soul into finding Matt.

I think this thread should focus on the positive and a strategy for next spring/summer search along with new updated flyers etc.........

I think the collective minds and hearts on this thread have been of much value to Matt's family and friends.

Keep the faith! Matt will be found.
Alpineholydog

Trad climber
Spring Tx
Nov 10, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
How many days passed before Matt's gear was stored?
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 10, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
"Who had the Blackhawk out there then, some good samaritan that happens to own a helicopter"



Mono SAR trains with air resources from numerous agencies. Most military aircraft for our county come from NAS Fallon.

It is rare that AFRCC will release a helo for a body recovery. However, these ships can use cases like Matthew's as an excuse for some training....and perhaps make something happen for the case in the process.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Nov 28, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
(not my photo)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 28, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
hey there say, all...

just remember, as, i saw this thread... :(
this just in

climber
north fork
Nov 29, 2013 - 12:02am PT

T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Dec 30, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Had these (late summer) when I went up to McCloud Lake hoping to find anything - random, but a bump if nothin else.
Credit: T H
Credit: T H
Credit: T H
Credit: T H
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Feb 15, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
Matt is on my mind today.

Is Mammoth Lakes still covered in snow, or is there any thaw due to drought and heat in southern California?

Beautiful photos above!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Feb 18, 2014 - 04:20pm PT
I think of Matt often. I believe he is at rest among these magnificent peaks.
There's now just enough snow in the Sierra to make the Minarets really dangerous. Moats/crevasses may be hidden but not safe to travel over.
All of California is still very short of precipitation for the winter.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 18, 2014 - 05:26pm PT
pacarockhound...Mammoth is around 38% of normal snowfall...Unless we get some major snow storms , summer access to the back country will come early...
ClimberDave

Trad climber
The LBC, CA
Feb 18, 2014 - 05:37pm PT
Was also just thinking of him, saw one of the "missing" signs in Mammoth over the weekend.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Feb 18, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
I'll be heading back in as soon as the snows of spring relent.

Anyone wishing to join me.....leave a note here and I will PM you.

Cheers,
DR
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