Missing friend in Mammoth Lakes area

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
Messages 1981 - 2000 of total 2274 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Sep 13, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Hey rockhound, are you perhaps Lisa from Escondido?
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 13, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Nope, Wendy Hammarstrom.
ctadlock

climber
Mammoth Lakes
Sep 13, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Ive been watching this thread for a while. I live here in Mammoth. Im heading out for a day hike on Sunday to explore the Reds Meadow - Iron Mt path...

http://highwire.stanford.edu/~galic/hiking/ironmountain/

general search area in blue
general search area in blue
Credit: ctadlock
Supermama

Social climber
pa
Sep 13, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Boots on the ground team: I am waiting to hear from the Detective about Morales' and email accounts. If he is able to find information and we are all scattered over many threads, it may take longer to get the information you need to you...information that could steer you in the right direction.

Could we each head our posts with a heading: Boots on Ground, Email Enthusiast, and Problem Solvers so you can breeze over the topics that do not interest you? Some of us want to read it all to try to fit the pieces of the puzzle together.

Also, could the title to this thread say read all before you post? That would cut down on the repetition. That part is frustrating especially when new people chime in. (Like I did many pages ago)

There has to be a way to keep us all connected, yet make it tolerable for all. We all have the same goal, finding Matt.

Just a thought...

Supermama
jeg

Social climber
center valley,Pa
Sep 13, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
CTADLOCK.....
If you run into anyone climbing Iron Mountain, could you please ask them to check the summit registry(if there is one) to see if Matt signed it July 17. Thanks!
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 14, 2013 - 06:56am PT
There is a registry on iron but it was not checked. A church hiking group summited iron on 7/20, 7/21. At the time, they were not aware Matt was missing and did not take notice of the names. They also did not see anything strange on iron. -Ron
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 15, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Kelly, great update to the map.
From revisiting the timeline, and seeing pattern of intensityfrequency of activities--considering that he got quite a bit of rest in last days before the 17th (unless there're ascents not marked on the map yet, due to un-examined registers), got to say that the impression is that he'd pick quite hard, very memorable route, to cap his stay in the area versus something more ordinary or revising previous destinations ...

Forgive me if it's been posted here before, I haven't seen this quote from Matt earlier, from Summitpost:
However, Idaho is more than 2000 miles from my home (PA), so I'd like to make the best use of my time and focus on routes that are absolute classics. Above all else I enjoy long class 4 routes on solid rock. I know, there's not a whole lot in Idaho that's "solid"
Sounds like he'd pick "absolute classics" for his last for 2013 route in the area, esp. after resting a lot? "Nighttime ascent" is also something mentioned in his posts, so he wasn't adverse to this.


From the same thread--this might be helpful in seeing his decision making process in regards to choosing a route. He lists what he visited already, asks for suggestions, is given suggestions and then states what tops his list:
http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/post832741.html
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 15, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
And to add to the above, notice:
Out of top rock climbing routes listed on Summitpost for Sawtooth range (Idaho) as most "notable":
(http://www.summitpost.org/sawtooth-range/171128);
Elephant's Perch-Mountaineer's Route(5.9)
Finger of Fate-Open Book (5.8+)
Mt. Heyburn-Stur Chimney (5.5)
Warbonnet Peak- Southwest Rib(5.9)
Fishhook Spire (5.5)
Le Bec D'Aigle-East Face (5.3)
The Arrowhead-West Face (5.9)
Grand Aiguille-(5.4)
Goat Perch-(5.9)

Matt, since he had previously visited top 3 (as he sates in his post), says
that Warbonet Peak "tops his list" at that point. So, here he goes by summitpost.com suggested climb list for Sawtooth Range, item by item, top down. This might be helpful in determining what was his choice for the 17th route.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 15, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
After poking around a bit, I find that the world of metal detectors is indeed rife with fraudulent and bogus devices.

I'm not sure, however, why a "real" one will "'detect' everything in the ground, except what we need in this case."

Anyway, the wave of the future in this area seems to be drone searches. There's even someone claiming an "FS" (first save).


http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/10/4318770/canada-draganflyer-drone-claims-first-life-saved-search-rescue

Gonna be powerful too.

ARGUS's view is both wide and precise. It can cover areas of up to 15 square miles at a glance while still spotting objects as small as six inches around from heights of 17,500 feet. ARGUS not only streams the footage to the ground live, but keeps a stash of video on board as well, a staggeringly massive stash of up to 1 million terabytes (one exabyte) per day.

http://gizmodo.com/5979372/watch-the-worlds-highest-resolution-drone+mounted-camera-in-action
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Zbrown


That link to the lifesaving drone is amazing. Thanks for sharing.

Wish something like that could find Matt.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
ctadlock,

Did you learn of anything on your hike in Red Meadows, Iron Mountain?
tdg119

Social climber
Northampton, PA
Sep 15, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Funny, we contacted a drone company (www.avinc.com) and not sure what interaction there was but they were ultimately told there was nothing they could do to help.

Not much new here. Really hoping they manage to track down Morales. Last I spoke to the detective he said they'd get a local officer in his hometon to pay a visit. After speaking to my parents today I got the impression Matt got to know them and spoke of them once or twice.

Aside from that I opened the missing persons in Matt's hometown. Don't know why I didn't do this 2 months ago but hadn't thought of it. PA detective to contact me Monday. Won't get into that mor until I know what they're able to do for us.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
maybe the drone company thought the area was too vast, or too many unknowns.....?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 15, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Funny, we contacted a drone company (www.avinc.com) and not sure what interaction there was but they were ultimately told there was nothing they could do to help.

Definitely a "future" for the general public. In addition to a couple of mentions on this thread, there was a thread somewhere a while back where the technology was discussed. My memory is that it is not as expensive as one would think. I'll look around.

crankster

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Aside from that I opened the missing persons in Matt's hometown. Don't know why I didn't do this 2 months ago but hadn't thought of it. PA detective to contact me Monday. Won't get into that mor until I know what they're able to do for us.

Smart move. Time to try anything. At this point in time, I think the odds of Matt's presumed remains being found in the Sierra before winter = the odds of him turning up alive in PA or elsewhere, gone missing for whatever reason.

I'm really hoping the family receives closure soon. They have done so much, pursued every avenue; such an admirable, loving group of people.

One solid clue. It's what we've all hoped for.
T H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Sep 15, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
looking forward to ctadlock's tr.
kenish

Gym climber
Orange County, CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
++ to crankster!! ^^^^

A thought about Matt's nighttime phone pattern. Where would Matt charge his phone? He probably left it somewhere to charge since I assume there were no outlets in a secure place at the campground. He may have asked neighboring campers to charge it in their car or RV. Did Matt's belongings include an AC charger, a car charger (cigarette lighter), or both? The other thought is he charged it in his car at the garage.

His nighttime pattern may have been different on the 16/17th simply because he had no place to charge the phone...no neighboring campers, or his car was locked up in the service bay for final repairs. So he kept it with him in the tent.

I know this is low-value conjecture but it could be a very simple answer to "what was different on the last night?"
LAhiker

Social climber
Los Angeles
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
Tiffany,

I hope the Morales family provides some useful info. It's good that you opened that missing person case in Bethlehem. I hope that either the Bethlehem police or Detective Hornbeck can help get access to Matt's email accounts. I also hope that SplitPants has some luck with the Mammoth Lakes library network admin.

Maybe one or more of these avenues will provide a break in the case or at least help narrow things down.
pacarockhound

Social climber
Escondido CA
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
Agreed!
ctadlock

Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes
Sep 16, 2013 - 07:40am PT
Trip Report: Red's Meadow - Iron Mt

Summary: We did not find any sign of Matt. We searched the area from Reds Meadow to Fern Lake, then up to the crest via the main ridge, up to the first major peak, then down the crest, then down the chute back to Fern Lake. We were unable to summit; not enough time. We did not see any other hikers on the trail. From the crest we used binoculars to scan a very large area. Our group included myself, my girlfriend and my golden lab (Odie); we are acclimated to the altitude (we live here), experienced in the mountains and moved fairly quickly. I paid special attention to Odie sniffing things, but all he found was animal tracks.

Notes: This is an extremely rugged hike. While there is a trail up to Fern Lake, beyond that there is not a defined trail nor is there an obvious route that you would take up. I'd say there are 4-5 main routes up spanning a 2 mile wide area of the crest; we only checked 3. Any snow on the mountain at that time might totally change the route up. This makes it very difficult to know which area to search. The terrain is very, very loose granite chunks. It would be very easy to slip due to a rock sliding out or cause a rock slide; we had both happen several times. Beyond the crest, to the summit which we did not reach looked hazardous as well due to the rocks and the often high-wind gusts. Winds in that area can be very severe. We left Reds at 7am and returned at 5:30pm. From the crest I guesstimate it would have taken another 2 hours to the summit; that would put the total trip time at 14-15 hrs for an out and back. To go down the other side, and do the full loop would add some time as well. This area has a lot of animal activity; lots of deer, bear, ground rodents, birds and possible coyote (not sure how high they go up).

Opinion: I do not think that any hiker acting in a responsible manner would attempt this hike in one day while alone; doing so would be very risky. Even if Matt was a very fast hiker this is still a 20 mile, 14 hr hike on difficult terrain. One thing to note, he would have needed alternate transportation to Reds Meadow. The public buses and shuttle do not run until 8-9AM (depending on which one). If he took that it would delay the start ~2 hrs to about 9am. At that point an expected return time would be very late at night, and again there wouldn't be public transportation back to Shady. There is no chance he walked from Shady to Reds. Due to the animal activity, any remains would be scattered over a large area quickly. To get to the summit register, would require either an overnight hike or a small group of very fast hikers singularly focused on getting to the summit, and they would need an alpine start.

UPDATE 1:

Here is a map of the area we had good visibility to search for.
Credit: ctadlock


UPDATE 2:

This has probably been done.. but the trail to Fern Lake is a regular mule pack trail (lots of manure on the trail). The pack outfits should be contacted.

We did find a small button on the south shore of Fern lake.
Credit: ctadlock

UPDATE 3:

Here are some photos of the terrain, to give you an idea.
looking up at the main ridge from fern lake
looking up at the main ridge from fern lake
Credit: ctadlock
look up at the chute we came down from into fern lake
look up at the chute we came down from into fern lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking north at the ridge above anona lake
looking north at the ridge above anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking at the minarets past anona lake
looking at the minarets past anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
looking at the ridge leading to iron mt above anona lake
looking at the ridge leading to iron mt above anona lake
Credit: ctadlock
500+ft of loose granite scree
500+ft of loose granite scree
Credit: ctadlock
looking down the chute; we are past the steep section
looking down the chute; we are past the steep section
Credit: ctadlock
Messages 1981 - 2000 of total 2274 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
Post a Reply
 
Our Guidebooks
Check 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks


Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Review Categories
Recent Route Beta
Recent Gear Reviews